Rambotic - need opinion from community

[marlboroza]

Excuse me, but how did you know someone tried to "bribe" them before they even mentioned it in scam accusation or in telegram chat with you?




Again, who did this? Sound like many cases.



It seems you know some infos here. And you forget to mention that they offered you 3BTC - you somehow didn't spot that. Actually, from this conversation I can only conclude that 0.1btc was side story.







What do you mean with "you can ask anyone from forum, they won't unlock account before you pay them" and "check the forum, you will see that casinos are doing that to many players" ?? Where can we find that in forum?

As I said, I will also wait Cloudbet for this, but possibility that they tried to pull this to unlock account is almost 0%.

[Rambotnic]

Our conversation did not continue because he didn't seem interested paying me for my help after all its over.
And yes, based on the scam reports, i consider this casino as scam casino.
And as all scam casinos, yes they all do the same, and yes they will not give them anything if he don't accept paying bribe.
Which doesn't mean he will do it, at least accepting that will give information.
All scamming casinos/games/persons doing just one thing more, trying to milk more.
And yes that's old tactic.
Please, do not read only what you want to, but also the other things i say.

Edit: After i see he is not interested to fix his problem with me, i tell him that he should not pay them cent and that i don't want his money.
None of you follow the conversation and the time stamp?

[marlboroza]

Our conversation did not continue because he didn't seem interested paying me for my help after all its over.
And yes, based on the scam reports, i consider this casino as scam casino.
And as all scam casinos, yes they all do the same, and yes they will not give them anything if he don't accept paying bribe.
Which doesn't mean he will do it, at least accepting that will give information.
All scamming casinos/games/persons doing just one thing more, trying to milk more.
And yes that's old tactic.
Please, do not read only what you want to, but also the other things i say.

Edit: After i see he is not interested to fix his problem with me, i tell him that he should not pay them cent and that i don't want his money.
None of you follow the conversation and the time stamp?

What is timestamp? This was posted before OP shared details in scam accusation:

i contacted the OP (ginalli) to ask him few questions (of course not private) and seems like cloudbet is asking for bribe (cash under the table) to unlock his account from what he says.
correct me if i am wrong but we seen that before..
casinos locking people account to milk money from the big players, and in the end after the big noise, they always do that and milk their players.
this is classic case and not something new...
sadly the amount is big this time

So, I'll bold questions for you, it seems you can't find them:

Excuse me, but how did you know someone tried to "bribe" them before they even mentioned it in scam accusation or in telegram chat with you?




Again, who did this? Sound like many cases.



It seems you know some infos here. And you forget to mention that they offered you 3BTC - you somehow didn't spot that. Actually, from this conversation I can only conclude that 0.1btc was side story.







What do you mean with "you can ask anyone from forum, they won't unlock account before you pay them" and "check the forum, you will see that casinos are doing that to many players" ?? Where can we find that in forum?

As I said, I will also wait Cloudbet for this, but possibility that they tried to pull this to unlock account is almost 0%.

[Rambotnic]

I know what and when exactly i said, thanks for pointing that out.
What weird and not in place you find ?
I follow strict logic and strategy to manage the scammers to expose their self, their previous and future intentions.
If the guy accepted to pay their "bribe" just in words, it would help the case by many ways.

[mikeywith]

 I think it's normal for Rambotic to ask for money to help unlock the account, i do not even want to argue of whether he has any sort of influence on them or not,
because that is not important, i have seen similar cases "not related to casinos" where random people solve problems for people and get paid ,he also asked to get paid "after" the account is unlocked, to me that was  a legit/normal move.

the shady part however, is this

1- if you are certain that they will unlock his account after he bribe them , then what are you asking the money for ( 0.1 btc)
2- if by paying you or anybody else 0.1 btc the issue will be solved, why did you suggest to him that he pays 2 btc ?

[Rambotnic]

I think it's normal for Rambotic to ask for money to help unlock the account, i do not even want to argue of whether he has any sort of influence on them or not,
because that is not important, i have seen similar cases "not related to casinos" where random people solve problems for people and get paid ,he also asked to get paid "after" the account is unlocked, to me that was  a legit/normal move.

the shady part however, is this

1- if you are certain that they will unlock his account after he bribe them , then what are you asking the money for ( 0.1 btc)
2- if by paying you or anybody else 0.1 btc the issue will be solved, why did you suggest to him that he pays 2 btc ?

1- Sadly i am not certain but can only have good faith that i will earn my 0.1 with something good (helping someone in really bad situation).
Also as i stated before, accepting paying bribe ( every single scammer trying to milk more their victims) doesn't mean he will or should do it.
There is many many moves after accepting that which will expose their previous and future intentions.
The most important part here is information.
Information that can be used against the scammer/scammers.
Accepting their own rules is the only way this conversation to continue in way which they will expose them self.
If they wanted different thing than money, he should accept that also, just to take that time advantage and expose them and collect information.

2- I randomly said 2btc. Actually the amount he should counter offer is not really important, it should be 1,2,3,4 btc but not 5 (the same they want).
You will ask me "why"?
Because there should negotiation and interest from the victim proving that he's willing to pay but not willing to go that much.
That will make the scammers to chat more, and eventually give more information and share more things.
As 1. the main goal here is information.
Why i suggest him paying at all were already said couple time.
And i do not feel bad for asking money for my time.
This is not illegal and i do not do anything bad.
No matter you like it or not, it is true 0.1 btc it will cost him way less than hiring lawyer or any other way.
My activity on this forum were always transparent and i try to help people for free when i can with what i can.
But when it will cost me more time and nervs, yes i will ask for money and i have full right especially asking it after the job is done.

The most important thing here is the guy were not really interested in thru paying 0.1btc in order to receive 38btc consider it will cost him nothing in begin for me to start.
I've been called many bad names so far, even scammer from TP consider we both know that i always suggest and use escrow for all my trades or any trade that i think is risky for anyone.
TP, we both know that every time i see something wrong on this forum, you got pm from me.
How come you calling me scammer and a bad person for asking money for my time for legal services?
Especially when my offer of "services" could only bring good to the "victim".
And believe me, that kind of "victim" would pay way more to the person who help him, even without asking for money, because 38btc is a lot of money, and only an idiot would not give a piece to his helping "angel".
If people do not accept my strategy and way to do the things, that doesn't mean they are bad or illegal.
After all in the end, no matter what i do or not do, my acts and strategy cannot harm the "victim" with any money, time waste or anything.
But i learn one lesson, trying to help people on this forum is auto goal.
People on this forum should only watch their own business and let other people being scammed and not being friendly and being humans.
Everyone here is playing good but none of you waste time to talk with the guy and trying to help him for free.
None of you want to waste time with that case, but you blame the people who have time to try to earn some money without doing anything bad.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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You're just making this up as you go along.  None of this was ever discussed with the victim, only what you wanted to get out of it and your suggestion that he pay the extortion/ransom that the perpetrator demanded.

[suchmoon]

The more I think about it the more it looks like Rambotnic was trying to shake ginalli down for 5 BTC. I can't think of any reasonable explanation why someone would insist on paying scammers (whether it's a scammy casino or someone pretending to be a casino "admin") a "bribe" for a withdrawal. I re-read the chat for the third time and all Rambotnic's excuses seem to have been made up after the conversation was concluded. And the whole idea of a "bribe" - as marlboroza pointed out - seems to have been brought up by Rambotnic before ginalli was contacted by the person asking for the "bribe".

[Rambotnic]

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You're just making this up as you go along.  None of this was ever discussed with the victim, only what you wanted to get out of it and your suggestion that he pay the extortion/ransom that the perpetrator demanded.

As you can see on this scam report, he tried to put the blame on me somehow and i made our conversation public because i still don't feel doing wrong thing.
I didn't discuss the future strategy with the "victim" because his lack of interest paying for my time.
Which is weird for me and should open questions that someone who wants to turn his 38btc back is not willing to pay for successful job.
A job which will cost him no time, and way less money than any other methods.
I cannot offer success, that's why i didn't ask money upfront.
After all the over reacts i was forced to share my strategy how i would do what to get over to information which can be used against scammers.
Im not some newbie joined yesterday to be judged hard without even someone ask for me to explain.
Also no one watch the red signs how this guy added me in telegram consider i never pmed it.
So far i understand that you blame me because i want money for my time from "victim".
But if my job end successful in the end he won't be victim and i will be his "hero" right?
Because we all know that no matter who is it, if you help person to turn back that kind of scammed amount, you will be hero.
All of you over react on me and judge me hard based on how you will and how you won't do it.
The facts are facts, no matter you won't do it by that way, my way can be only helpful and cannot harm the "victim".
My way can only bring more information which can be used against them.
No matter do you guys like how im trying to help, the important here is that at least i am trying to help.
If my way cannot harm the "victim" there is nothing wrong with it, even the part with the 0.1 btc requested from me.
In the end of the day, he could always block me and ignore me if i success right?
Who will force him pay me 0.1btc even if i success? Me? You? Actually no one can.
That kind of agreement is also false and cannot give me 100% that he will actually pay me something in the end.

[mikeywith]

OK let's just assume you were honest, and i will let the part of you asking him to pay bribe the extortionist slip.

you asking for 0.1 btc to help a poor soul ,in exchange for getting his account back, but now you speak about information ? if he gets his account back after paying the bribe, why does he need to pay you 0.1 btc? let alone the very unsmart advice of paying a scammer more money to return what they have already scammed.

TL;DR

it's either you were trying to scam him, or being a part of the extortion team , or you could be honest but you differently have no idea what the fuck  you were doing and you just wanted to get some money.

[Rambotnic]

The more I think about it the more it looks like Rambotnic was trying to shake ginalli down for 5 BTC. I can't think of any reasonable explanation why someone would insist on paying scammers (whether it's a scammy casino or someone pretending to be a casino "admin") a "bribe" for a withdrawal. I re-read the chat for the third time and all Rambotnic's excuses seem to have been made up after the conversation was concluded. And the whole idea of a "bribe" - as marlboroza pointed out - seems to have been brought up by Rambotnic before ginalli was contacted by the person asking for the "bribe".

I can't "shake" no one for 5btc.
It was said to many times to repeat why i said but not insist him to agree paying them.
Feel free to read it.
You can call it "bribe", "milk" or any other word you like, they all doing the same, coming back for more and more.
Its been like that since forever.
I don't use excuses, actually if you read, i don't feel sorry for asking money for my time ( 0.1btc ) i do not excuse for asking that also.
I have full right to request money for my time and i don't feel sorry or excuse for asking that.

And suchnoon seems like you didn't read everything after all to state your claims right, the "victim" was first who contacted me not me ( not sure how he found my telegram ).
After you can see from the screenshots from our conversation, i were ignored for period of time before he actually answer me.
I can't know what the scammers ask from him and which words they were using, but i can be 99.99% sure from what i said before that as every single other scammers, they are coming just for more.

[Rambotnic]

OK let's just assume you were honest, and i will let the part of you asking him to pay bribe the extortionist slip.

you asking for 0.1 btc to help a poor soul ,in exchange for getting his account back, but now you speak about information ? if he gets his account back after paying the bribe, why does he need to pay you 0.1 btc? let alone the very unsmart advice of paying a scammer more money to return what they have already scammed.

TL;DR

it's either you were trying to scam him, or being a part of the extortion team , or you could be honest but you differently have no idea what the fuck  you were doing and you just wanted to get some money.

You taking it as "poor soul" because you don't spend your time for free right?
This "poor soul" were requested to pay 370$ for job which will return him 140,600$ ( correct me if i am wrong but i believe 38btc worth that).
Why would that "poor soul" will refuse paying that low for service which can't harm him or take any of his time? Isn't that even 2x lower than any lawyer to even start watching the case without doing anything? And he were offered to pay that only after successful job?
This information i am talking about will be used against the scammers to be threatened to return to the victim what's his. ( Don't get me wrong, i won't be the one threatening anyone, but i am sure the "victim" will.)
Or it will be used for future investigation.
What do you mean "if he gets his account back after paying the bribe"?
I already said few times that accepting to pay that bribe doesn't actually mean he should or will do it.
I already said that "accepting paying the bribe" could only give him time to play by their own rules, to win time, request escrow in some part of the conversation, which will bring more facts is this actually the real cloudbet or some random scammer who found his email in the scam report.
In the begin there is nothing else we can do than playing by their own rules, setting traps so we can expose their intentions and collect information.
He should ( no one can force him) pay me 0.1 btc ONLY if i really made something and successful helped for his account returning.
I am not sure how i will be able to scam him, please explain me?
I am also not sure how i can be part of extortion team? I am part of that casino team or some other team ? Please explain me..
I were and i will always be honest and the only thing from my position that i can do is, put traps to collect information so me and the "victim" could use for future investigation.
By "traps" i mean suggestion of using escrow, and why i am calling that trap were already said but i will repeat it.
By accepting paying "bribe" but asking for escrow, that will show is this real casino or just random scammer.
How? If they accept escrow, obviously that would be the casino, random scammer would not accept any coins to be put in middle because he can't unlock his account.
And if they refuse the escrow usage, it would be obvious failed scamm attempt by some random idiot, and the conversation between the "victim" and this guy should end instant.

This is just one of the few traps i had in mind.

[suchmoon]

It was said to many times to repeat why i said but not insist him to agree paying them.
Feel free to read it.

I read your chat multiple times. You were very adamant that ginalli must pay the bribe in order to get the account unlocked. The screenshots are right here in this thread, just a few posts above. You're just blatantly lying now.

the "victim" was first who contacted me not me ( not sure how he found my telegram ).

i contacted the OP (ginalli) to ask him few questions

Only one of those can be true. Which is it?

Also I don't believe for a second that "you found me" is your standard greeting for random strangers contacting you. You two clearly exchanged your telegram info e.g. via PM.

[khaled0111]

- I don't think the owner of the casino is too stupid to ask for a bribe using the casino's official email and leave such an evidence.
- I think 38B is way more than 5B, why would he ask for a bribe then!!
- he received the email then you contacted him via TG offering your help the same day, doesn't that look weird!
Your aim is the 2B, not the 5 neither the 0.1

=> I think you sent the email and asked him to pay 5B, then contacted him via TG to convince him that this always happens and he should only pay 2 or 3B and you insisted that he should give the bribe.

All of this can be confirmed if ginalli checks the headers of the email he received.

[Rambotnic]

It was said to many times to repeat why i said but not insist him to agree paying them.
Feel free to read it.

I read your chat multiple times. You were very adamant that ginalli must pay the bribe in order to get the account unlocked. The screenshots are right here in this thread, just a few posts above. You're just blatantly lying now.

Could you mean explain me and everyone else, how do you feel me as "very adamant" thru letters over internet, i would love to understand a female feelings while chatting with her.
I was just "shooting" in the dark, and just made the obvious predictions which were and always will be that scammers is always coming back for more (scammers always going back to the "crime scene" which is proven by scientists).
I did nothing more than pointing out the obvious and what every scammer doing.
Actually i did nothing special so far because i didn't had time or confirmation about the payment for my time.
Yes the screenshots are there, and there is no reason for me to lie.
Actually for everything you guys blame me ( which is asking money for my time so far) i did confirm that is right.
But seems like none of you want to accept  the fact that accepting paying the bribe doesn't and should not mean that will be done.
Accepting by words could only lead do win time and more information after few more traps.
Also, all of you know that a "victim" should always run by the scammer game.
Why ? Because that's how the police works in the whole world?
Every time the victim accept the scammer rules so they could win time and information which can be used against them for future.
Sadly this game of traps end early and the scammer already know everything from the threads in the forum and cannot be tricked so easy for no on.
Catching scammers were always the same, when they ask for something, yes accept what they want.
But that doesn't mean you should do it, it means you are playing their game, wining time and collecting information.
Basic and pretty standard police strategy of catching criminals.

[Rambotnic]

- I don't think the owner of the casino is too stupid to ask for a bribe using the casino's official email and leave such an evidence.
- I think 38B is way more than 5B, why would he ask for a bribe then!!
- he received the email then you contacted him via TG offering your help the same day, doesn't that look weird!

=> I think you sent the email and asked him to pay 5B, then contacted him via TG to convince him that this always happens and he should only pay 2 or 3B and you insisted that he should give the bribe.

All of this can be confirmed if ginalli checks the headers of the email he received.

You are either stupid or you are here to rise your post count without reading.
- He contacted me, i didn't. He added me in telegram, not me.
- I never said that the person who send him email were person from the casino, actually i stated few times that should be cleared with the offer with "escrow" trap, but seems like you were to busy to be excited and didn't read the thread.
- I didn't contact anyone once again, he contacted me.

All of this can be confirmed for sure, i already requested the headers of the email he received hours ago.
Why would i do this if i were the one doing this?
Why no one is using his brain...


Edit: Suchmoon, i contacted him via pm without sharing my telegram asking him how to contact him.
The interesting part is that he added me in telegram without asking for my telegram or know it.
That's why i claim that he added me and not me, but i were the first one who contacted him regarding the problem.
So both is true.
And no, i didn't share my telegram with this guy ever which can be super easy proved from my inbox.

[suchmoon]

How the fuck can you type so much garbage in a few minutes?

I feel like my IQ drops a point after reading a post of yours. Thank you for convincing me that marlboroza was right.

[mikeywith]

you repeatedly encouraged him to pay the bribe, which makes everybody and their grandmother thinks that you have a direct interest in that bribe being paid.
you also never bothered mentioning the use of escrow to him , i agree with suchmoon, no matter how i read your conversation, the logic leads to my above analysis.


however I honestly don't think that is a solid evidence of you being a part of the scammers team or the scammer himself, i am not sure how other members based their feedback on,i don't think solid evidence is needed to many members and that's accepted, being shady is enough to get tagged for these days , given the amount of scammers online.

as for the evidence, i think we still have to hear from the casino, if it's proven that they were actually the once who send him the email , and asked him for the bribe and that your advice of paying 2 btc was based on a free advice that you had no interest in, then maybe  the DT members should give you the benefit the of doubt and reconsider their rating.

 should the other guys keep their feedback and happens that you are really a honest person, this should be a lesson learned, never ask someone to pay bribe nor answer to extortion attempts.


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[Rambotnic]

How the fuck can you type so much garbage in a few minutes?

I feel like my IQ drops a point after reading a post of yours. Thank you for convincing me that marlboroza was right.

If you asking garbage questions, then my answers are garbage for you.
I type answers to questions, and if you feel your questions and other people questions as garbage, then what i could say more...
If you don't want to receive "garbage" questions, don't ask "garbage" questions.
Firstly you ask something, and when you get answers you calling it "garbage".
bitcointalk DT members - 2019.

you repeatedly encouraged him to pay the bribe, which makes everybody and their grandmother thinks that you have a direct interest in that bribe being paid.
you also never bothered mentioning the use of escrow to him , i agree with suchmoon, no matter how i read your conversation, the logic leads to my above analysis.


however I honestly don't think that is a solid evidence of you being a part of the scammers team or the scammer himself, i am not sure how other members based their feedback on,i don't think solid evidence is needed to many members and that's accepted, being shady is enough to get tagged for these days , given the amount of scammers online.

as for the evidence, i think we still have to hear from the casino, if it's proven that they were actually the once who send him the email , and asked him for the bribe and that your advice of paying 2 btc was based on a free advice that you had no interest in, then maybe  the DT members should give you the benefit the of doubt and reconsider their rating.

 should the other guys keep their feedback and happens that you are really a honest person, this should be a lesson learned, never ask someone to pay bribe nor answer to extortion attempts.


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Of course i will repeatedly encouraged him to pay the bribe? How i would be able to collect information and put them traps if we don't continue playing their game?
How you even plan to continue conversation when they are milking for money ?
Why you think he will do it for real just because some random idiot over internet telling him this?
He didn't continue the conversation with me so i could explain him what we will do to collect information, simple as that.
I never bothered to mentioning to use escrow to him because of his lack of interest and the ignorance to my messages ?
Or i should spam him till he return back a message to me?
He clearly didn't show any intention to pay 0.1btc to receive 38btc which is the weird part.
Also i think same as some of the people who posted here thats not real admin of that casino.
Why would they contact him asking for 5btc or any amount consider they already have 38btc in hold ?
I were just going to expose a random idiot who would block him or me after the traps were there.

There is no rules in helping mate, i can tell him to pay bribe to collect information and expose them, tell him to pay not force him.
He could only tell em that he would pay but not do it, if he were smart enough to help himself and collect information in first place.
As i already stated above, this is standard procedure against fraudsters and criminals.
You always go by their own rules to win time and collect information.
Well things are different in the end.


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[mikeywith]

I think i am done with this case, said what i had to say, the rest is on you and the guys who tagged you, and a word of advice, use more spacing, leave an empty line between each of your lines as needed and most importantly type less, mean more.

The format you use is very disturbing to be honest, if you want your words to be read, make them readable so that you can defend yourself.