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People aren't gonna sell their bodies for them, like they do with crack.  cause they are MIND-EXPANDING  ;D

Marijuana is harmless and illegal. Do you expect them to make a hallucinogen which can be overdosed on legal?
With the authoritarian direction society is taking, I'm surprised they're slowly making pot legal.

They definitely shouldn't legalize mushrooms.

I'm sure if they did the users of the mushrooms wouldn't be buying girl scout cookies... they would be eating the girls!

Mushrooms give a lot of trouble.

Weed is legal here and mushrooms were, but too many students and tourists used them without proper knowledge and after eating them, many jumped out of a window because they felt they should..

That's exactly why they should remain illegal.

i listened to alt-rock on them.  I don't see what the problem is   :o

I don't see why they are banned pretty harmless for the majority of people. I use to do them a fair bit and me and my pink elephant swear it never did us any harm :P

It's not the drugs that are bad it's the users.

The problem is that some people react to them differently and usually lethally. 

so if i drink a lot of caffeine and poke my eye out, i can sue the federal government?

no.  because we're all fucking addicts

Well, you'd poke out your eye not because of the effects of coffee. While on shrooms, you might get chased out the window by a boogie man that was only your cat.

No. But if hundreds of people a year would poke their eyes out, the government would start with education and if that fails make it illegal..

i see.  illegal drugs make us feel special.  cause we're the only one allowed to be using them :P

Not sure about allowed. More like just using and not yet caught.

well most people are dictated by the rules of the government.  by being different, you can be a TRUE patriot

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@HorseCoin How's that even make sense? What's drugs have to do with patriotism?

Same as under-age drinking: as long as it is still illegal it is exciting and people drink way too much, ending up in hospitals for alcohol poisoning...

Anything illegal provides us with excitement.

drug possession is a right our founding fathers would fight for    ???

that's ridiculous

Such an elaborate argument. Wow... Anyways, psychoactive drugs can often cause psychosis leading to inadequate actions, sometimes lethal. Overdose is also a possibility.

Got more chance of dieing reading this post than you have with magic mushrooms  ::)

You said said using it was usually lethal which is clearly nonsense. Also "overdose" is not a possibility. The substance isn't poisonous even if ingested in very large amounts.

You simply do not know what you are talking about. How about showing us some studies that show the lethality of psychedelic mushrooms? Not one credible study will back your claims up.

Explain how then? You guys make me laugh bet ya never even tried them.

Why you miserable clowns don't do a minimum of research before talking ?

How dare you talk about things you don't know ?


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http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/files/1-medical-marijuana-images/ranking-20-drugs-and-alcohol-by-overall-harm-2.png

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Do you even Google (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=comparative+harm+drugs) ?

they are not going to and will never legalize mushrooms, marijuana is legal in some places though and its totally legal everywhere with a medical prescription i guess cuz its prescribed for those who suffers from too much stress and for those who suffers from sleep disorders !!! :)

Wow, just wow. Assuming problems in one country are a reflection for other countries. What is your point exactly?
Should we in your opinion just ignore the fact that people get bad trips and kill themselves because there are other drugs causing problems as well? How small minded ;)

It is bad. It should stay illegal.

mushrooms are legal enough, sure you cant buy any kind you want in stores, but you can buy many online that are legal and psycoactive online.

and they are very easy to grow, and very fun at that! I learned a ton about the world around me growing mushrooms, and gained a respect for nature I did not have before. mushrooms also taught me to NOT grow them, and I respect the fact they are illegal. I think anyone who wants them is best off growing them for themselves and learning what they have to teach. besides, after you grow them you will find many more who are willing to talk about growing them and you will no longer have to try as hard to find them, if you dont learn how to find them in nature.

I dont know about how easy it is to die from mushrooms, but I know Ive never woken up (thankful I DID wake up..) shaking/rocking back and forth with a mouth full of fluid and curled into a ball reading a forum post.  that day is pretty scairy in hindsight but was a wicked cool trip at the time.. was in a totally differant world something like the room xavior built in the x-men movie

@HorseCoin

Like with all of these things: depends on your country.

For some reason, only africans consume quat in many countries. Not sure why.. Thought is was part of their history.

yeah i read how people in 2 states (Alaska and Missouri) were charged with distributing it.  nothing on possession or usage though!!

Bath salts seem to work pretty good as well :D

No, you should stop ignoring the fact that making a substance illegal doesn't stop people from using said substance; otherwise, every single drug on that list which is illegal should have no data available, assuming laws were effective in stopping people from taking drugs.

Which it isn't.  All it does is make it very dangerous for people trying to self-medicate prior trauma and makes further victims out of victims.  Instead of prosecuting these people, why don't you offer to help them?  Why do you advocate the use of violence against them?  How does putting a person in jail or handing them a hefty fine somehow, in your mind, equate to help?  If they suicide any other way, do you feel good knowing they, at least, did not die because of overdose?  Does the threat of any of this mean the individual will somehow get the help needed?  Because the evidence says otherwise.

Feel free to stop feigning empathy for overdose victims.

I know that every place is differant, but around these parts, the only way for law enforcement to mess with you over mushies is if youve got large amounts and are clearly distributing them. its fine for them to stay classified as they are, since spores are legal, and whoever needs them for self medicating should just grow their own. the growing process is more rewarding than casually walking into a store and buying some mushies to trip on, ahem, medicate with.

I think the system in place (for mushies atleast) is fine.

If were talking about all drugs in general, Id have to agree with you. nothing stops people from getting what they want (think heroin) and nothing will stop them from getting a (unpure) product. in the case of chemical drugs Id advocate large state ran labs. This would save 1000's of lives per year, and stop untold amounts of damage to the environment caused by inproper disposal of reagents and irresponsible sourcing of regents.
It would also remove the fear of getting help to end peoples addiction because they are scaired of incriminating themselves as drug users.

I guess Id amend my position of saying mushies should be kept illegal , and say it should be completely decriminalized, not sold in stores, and only put people in jail for distribution.
only sell chemical drugs in stores (with taxation) and put all buyers on lists keeping track in a database the purchasing amounts and regular talks with a counselor for people who use more than X% above average, and other checks for high freqency buyers to ensure they are not distributing to others including minors.

IMO whatever people do with their lives is their choice. Who wants a man with a badge to tell him what's good for him, what he should eat, drink, smoke or inhale? Only a mindless sheep, and that's what I see when someone shouts "make it illegal".

Sorry, Charlie!

People want what they want and will do whatever it takes to get it.

My $.02.

;)

Peaceful happy people who question the need for War are a threat to the system.

I mentioned the lethality of actions during the intoxication, during a trip, especially during a bad one. Also did I say I meant a lethal overdose? A non lethal overdose is possible causing negative effects for multiple hours both for you and anyone surounding you. Google and you'll see articles regarding this.

The wise ones have a sitter with them when doing high doses and bad trips rarely end up in death  ::). Most people on bad trips end up sat in a corner crying lol

The thing is that not all people doing drugs are wise.

now you've edited your statement but you originally said it USUALLY lethal due to overdose. This is simply not true.

Someone can have an accident an hurt themselves or someone else when they are perfectly sober. Should we ban that too?

You would be surprised actually. People who intake shroom's are normally pretty smart about it. Anyhow more people die under the influence of alcohol than they do tripping on shroom's. So should alcohol be banned too because of the odd idiot that abuses it and or does stupid things while under the influence ?

I don't drink so I couldn't care less .Also it isn't legal maybe due to the fact we already have a behavior altering drugs allowed - alcohol. Introducing another one would cause lots of problems.

Well I don't drink but still have the opinion that it should be legal to do so. Alcohol is not the only behavior altering drug there are many others adding one more would not hurt at all lmao.

I said it's the only one allowed/legal in most world countries, not that it's the only one.  ::)

Grasping at straws now or what lol. There is shitloads more than alcohol that is LEGAL and allowed in most countries and some of them are far more dangerous than mushrooms.

(Trying to break the chain quote)
@backtrackit: Any specific examples of such drugs?

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Mmmmmmmmmm..

Talk to the Hopi people about that one, eh?

My $.02.

;)

Nicotine highly addictive and is usually inhaled by smoking tobacco. Think we all know that it slowly kills you

Synthetic Marijuana legal in most parts of the world - kills people and is stupidly addictive

Salvia divinorum - more intense than mushrooms but the effects don't last as long

Datura - easy to OD and dangerous to use without a sitter

Hope that's enough :)...I know nicotine won't cause immediate harm to the user or anyone else but worth mentioning since it does kill a lot of people.

I think it does have health benefits and can be used to treat mental disorders http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/jan/23/magic-mushrooms-psilocybin-depression-drug (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/jan/23/magic-mushrooms-psilocybin-depression-drug)

Nicotine does change behavior. Synthetic cannabis are illegal in many big countries or are in a so called legal grey area. Same for Salvia divinorum: some states in the US passed lawas against it, some haven't mostly due to the fact it isn't widely used unlike shrooms. Datura is a herb growing naturally without interaction of people and due to it's mass toxicity again isn't widely used.

So if it's not widely used it's ok then lol. Jesus the ignorance must be bliss...do you think magic mushrooms don't exist in a natural habitat? Do you also think they would be widely used ? They grow all over the world you know  ::)

Legalization or prohibition of drugs are only possible if the majority agrees. Since the majority doesn't use such drug nor they heard of it, they don't give a crap. If a couple of idiots OD nobody in the government cares, but if those idiots are only a few overdoses out of hundreds than the government gets pressure to ban it. We're not talking about if drugs are bad or good, we're talking why aren't they being legalized by the government and sorry to break it to you, but that how current governments work.

Regarding mushrooms, the Datura (unlike mushrooms which grow only in certain areas) grows like a parasite both in woodland and urban areas: it's everywhere, doesn't require human interaction to spread and can even grow in garbage dumps thus banning would be like banning trees. The other factor is that there is an extremely high OD rate with the Datura that usually outweighs the psychological effects.

"unlike mushrooms which grow only in certain areas" you mean like fields and woodlands ya know like datura and btw mushrooms don't need human interaction to spread, the wind does a pretty good job of that them spores travel miles on the smallest of winds animals help too.

Your just ignorant to the facts and now your argument is "Legalization or prohibition of drugs are only possible if the majority agrees" That is true but only because of ignorant people like who clearly never tried them and spout shit about it killing you.

I'm not spouting shit, I'm expressing my opinion unlike you who has to angrily comment on every post of mine to make an argument. The thing is, that the majority of people don't live in fields and woodland areas, they live in cities, urban areas and daturas grow there as well.

Regarding the legalization, I have my own opinion and many people do have the same one. And if the majority doesn't want  to see people tripping balls everywhere they go, deal with it. And if you can't live without such substances, move somewhere you do. I think the main reason people don't want to legalize it is the fact of the trip. Any drugs causing hallucinations (good or bad), that is altering how one sees reality, aren't taken upon lightly since any drug altering behavior causes psychological addictions. Another thing might be pushing the boundaries: allow weed, they demand shrooms; allow shrooms, they demand LSD and so on.

OMG when shrooms was legal where I am not once did I see anyone tripping balls everywhere they go  ::). Some of the propaganda stuff you come out is laughable. psychological addictions don't happen with shrooms it's not possible to get addicted to them. You may have your opinion but it's not based on facts just fantasy propaganda...I don't take them anymore so don't need to move anywhere that and if I wanted too I could just grow them  ::)

OMG when shrooms was legal where I am not once did I see anyone tripping balls everywhere they go..
Yes, it would not be a big deal for most people, maybe occasional use.

ummmm, they kill people :-\

The thread isn't about deadly poison musgrooms.

The truth as to why mushrooms and LSD are illegal is not because they are harmful.  Nor is it because people take them and jump out of windows or run across highways.  No.  The reason they are illegal is very simple.  They connect you to a universal consciousness, they connect you to others.  They allow you to see life from a new perspective rather than the one the government has indoctrinated into society for your whole life.

LSD is less toxic than vitamin c.  More people die from aspirin than all illegal drugs combined.  They are not illegal for your health, if you did not know this before, it becomes blatantly obvious when cannabis is illegal and has killed zero people throughout thousands of years of use while at the same time treats and cures dozens of diseases.

The answer is very simple.  Psychedelics threaten our greed based society.  They threaten corrupt power structures and war.

The government would prefer to feed you cigarettes and alcohol, the former being laced with toxic chemicals and causing 500,000 deaths per year, the later numbing the mind's ability to critically think whilst causing 150,000 deaths per year.

They'd prefer to synthesize their own versions of medicines that only attempt to mimic the perfected plants found in nature.

They'd prefer to feed you radiation that kills more people than it heals in sight of a tumor.

Why?

This answer is also very simple.  Money and power.  There is no money to be made relative to the trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry if people were growing their own medicine.  There is no trillion dollar oil industry if people could grow biofuel with hemp.  There is no government to control if people could freely explore their minds and form a more advanced society that operated off love rather than fear and greed.

Aint that the truth +1

Mushrooms are legal. You can even buy them at Walmart.

Never done muchrooms but some day I'd like to give them a try.

My $.02.

;)

Any substance which brings pleasure or enhances/modifies/stimulates the brain or the nervous system to the person using it will develop a psychological addiction (even with no physical addction possible). That includes a lot of stuff: sugar, coffee, drugs, especially psychedelics since they stimulate the brain the most thus yielding such effects. In summary, your body might not demand it, but your mind will. As I read up, the most common form of addiction is complete tolerance:

Such could lead to consumption of bigger amounts of the drug to reach the desired effects. Which, well... will make you broke unless you grow big farms of them. Aside from that, due to the fact they weren't properly researched, any negative, long lasting effects aren't known. However:


Heroin also used to be legal and used in medicine for migraine. However when people researched it they banned it. The governments now don't want to make the same mistake and wait until multiple creditable studies show that there are no long lasting harmful effects.

Quotes from: http://www.healthycanadians.gc.ca/health-sante/addiction/mushrooms-champignons-eng.php (http://www.healthycanadians.gc.ca/health-sante/addiction/mushrooms-champignons-eng.php)

P.S. Your angry ramble really makes you sound childish. :D Try to talk in a neutral mood even when your countering my "propaganda stuff" :)

"Any substance which brings pleasure or enhances/modifies/stimulates the brain or the nervous system to the person using it will develop a psychological addiction (even with no physical addction possible). That includes a lot of stuff: sugar, coffee, drugs, especially psychedelics since they stimulate the brain the most thus yielding such effects. In summary, your body might not demand it, but your mind will. As I read up, the most common form of addiction is complete tolerance"


You cannot get addicted to mushrooms not even psychologically. You have no idea on the effects but yet choose to spread your propaganda.

Please do us all a favor and try them just once...

Absolutely.
+1

There is nothing wrong with "greed"; The problem is mixing greed with central Gov power.

Sorry but that's just not how psychedelics work.  The day after you trip you think, well I'm not doing that again for a while.  Because the experience increases your sensory input so extensively and is not desirable to repeat constantly.

Very few people can use them daily and if they are using it daily it's not because they are addicted or seeking a high, it's because they are seeking self evolvement.  I'm sure Jimi Hendrix pulled this off.  I've gone for over three weeks within one month once, but I can tell you that there was no chemical dependency drawing me towards it, I was simply seeking to evolve myself into my best shape spiritual/physical/musical being.  Which it helped significantly with.  Again, very few people can do this or even want to.  In general, psychedelics are such an experience that people don't want to try them again for a while.

Sugar and caffeine are far more addictive than psychedelics.  Psychedelics truly have negative addiction properties though some are experienced enough to repeat as they have already found the answers and have grown to handle the increased sensory input you incur.

shh!!! don't tell people the secret or they were understand WITHOUT mushrooms??   :o

(Breaking the annoying chain quote)
@Dank: For you, there may not be any addictions, but some guy might be taking shrooms day in, day out. It really differs on an individual level. Some with a stronger willpower can resist even physical addictions and some go nuts after tasting a teaspoon of sugar. Such differences in effects are the main scare for governments to take any action in legalizing psychedelic mushrooms.

No it's not just him NOBODY gets addicted to mushrooms.


And also you are more likely to get addicted to Alcohol...addiction has nothing to do with mushrooms been illegal.

That really doesn't happen.  You have to really push yourself to trip everyday, the chemical does not push you.

Yeah, although sometimes it can be pleasurable that's not really the point of it. It's not like doing blow or something you do to make yourself feel good. It's more like a mental exploration and sometimes that can take a lot out of a person.

You wouldn't want to do it all of the time, in other words.

No one would like to trip everyday. It would be fucked up. You don't know how exhausting it is mentally and physically.
The more you trip, the more exhausted you are and the more likely you will experience a bad trip which is similar to experience torture.
You have to be a mental-masochist to use psychedelic often.

It is not addictive.

Then in your opinion, what would be th reasons it's illegal? And I mean real reasons, not conspiracy theories that governments don't want us to understand blah blah blah...

Honestly I don't know the true reasons but suspect it's to try and gain votes from the unwise or as some sort of political aspect. You have to admit it makes the politicians look good when they say this is bad for you, make up several reasons why it is bad (even when evidence supports otherwise) and then make it illegal saying its for your own safety and continue to spread propaganda about said drug making out they have our best intentions at heart.

When all that they really want is your vote and to stay in power.

Mushrooms and weed are natural products.
Making them illegal is like saying god made a mistake.