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Just seen this post My account has been banned.... (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113751.0) and noticed that plagiarism has now 30days and signature banned for 2 years duration (not sure if this is newly implemented).
https://i.imgur.com/BRtGW1S.png

Is this only applicable to current plagiarism case? What about users who are banned more than 30days?  
Will this help our forum on addressing plagiarism case (talking about newbies and old shitposters copy and paste case)?

Everything is case-by-case.

It's definitely not new, there was a similar case recently - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1590420

Use the search function and you will find even more examples, dating back to 2017. For example: here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5087992.msg48802521#msg48802521)

It looks like a good idea. Newbies should still read the rules when they join, but it seems most don't.

I guess it's a trait of human nature.  Sometimes when I buy a product, I try to get it working, and if I fail, then I resort to reading the instructions. It reminds me of some 3.5" floppy disks that I used to sell. They came in a nice storage box, but the problem was that the instructions about opening the box were locked inside the box.

Thank you for your prompt reply, theymos.

You just sent suggestions not the implementation (also your example is 2018, not 2017) and of course I used search feature.

Exactly.

really?   :-\ would be the case to trust abusers?

That's something exactly what I was asking for in the following thread!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104710.0

OMG :o!. nice new implementation. ;)


It is clearly new and I can see that you're new here. The irony in your reply is too high, you should do your research. OP is talking about implementation about plagiarism ain't suggestions or any other cases of ban.
Do not post just for post count on your signature campaign, add something interested.


Which means ChiBitCTy can now post to this forum as part of our community again.
Not sure, theymos reply fast in this topic without any @theymos on the title subject.

My response was strictly related to your so descriptive title "NEW" and asking if this is a newly implemented feature. The examples given are certainly not from 2017, but if you try again you might find those too.

Suggestions, implementations, mental health and everything else related to accounts banned for plagiarism has been painfully discussed in various topics over the last 2-3 months...would you like links?

I hope so. ChiBitCTy is still there, in contact with most collectors, doing all the bitcoin and collectibles related matters he was doing before, except he has to pass on the forum.

Do you think there is a chance that some of the previously banned accounts (for plagiarism) see those measures (sig ban instead of temp ban) applied to them ?
I believe there is a lot of people who would love to see ChiBitCTy posts on the board.

Really I just hope this isn't just the new policy going from now on, but more an enforcement on a case-by-case basis of this new way to handle plagiarism.

@morvillz7z

Dosnt know you are New here lol  :D

Nice implementation theymos guess it will answer some users question if they get banned temp. or perma!

You can ask ChiBitCTy if he can post now? After all, he is a great part of our collection board. Ain't connected to ChiBitCTy account just seen him here before.

Yeah, he clearly doesn't know what OP is saying and the topic about. New here. :D

That was meant ironically lol!
He knows how and what and makes helpful contributions here!
Looks like you are not here so often!

Im texting him now, pretty sure his account is still banned because he would be using it to post

It's absurb he is still banned. Dudes got no account, and still active in the bitcointalk community.

Yes. .I vouch for ChiBitCTy. A good friend and excellent forum contributor. Please bring him back.

To err is human..to forgive divine

Good catch Sir millionaire.

I think this is a welcome change to most, I recall theymos discussing wanting to be less rigid and treat it this way. With the Sig ban for 2 years we'll definitely find out why people were here in the first place.
Now some can actually salvage their account, and stick around long enough to learn from their mistakes and hopefully contribute to the forum as a whole.

I wonder if there will be a place for people to recommend a member be reinstated. I can think of 1 account in Mining that I believe was banned under the old way of things.

This is excellent news and a sensible solution.

REAL members should not be here to spam their sigs and treat this board like a cash cow.

If they are plagiarising for financial reward then cut their sigs off and they will vanish anyway.

REAL members who got a bit sloppy for citing a reference every time will not care much about no sigs but can still bring their valuable contributions anyway (without a sig)

Sensible solution.

If you are a real enthusiast of building or helping to promote the start of and end to end decentralised trustless arena then you will not feel it ESSENTIAL to spam sigs everywhere.

I feel meta is a board that should be full of REAL enthusiasts ONLY. I would make it a non sig zone. Let's see who really wants to see this movement go somewhere and who just wants to manipulate things for their own self interest and benefit at the cost of silencing those that may not agree with everything they want/say.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

I'm still curious to see which post got him banned. If it's really something from years ago, long before plagiarism was a problem, it's totally different than the account farmers that caused massive spam.

I don't know a single other forum that's this strict on plagiarism, especially if someone just copies some text to answer a question and solve a problem.

..i'm not sure if this plagisrism case was new in this forum or it have been long implemented..what do comes in my mine right now is that this case was good enough for the members of this forum in order to minimize spamming..newbies should carefully read the rules and regulations before posting..we the member of this forum should become smart in posting in different threads so that we will not be get banned on bitcointalk..

Sorry about misunderstanding the policy in place and how it is applied, I appreciate the clarification. I took your advice and created a topic regarding the user in question it can be seen here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113829.msg49900285#msg49900285).

I recall a couple of recent discussions and one poll (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5087992.0) where most folks voted for a bit more leniency in the policy.  It's understandable why some would think this is a new policy.

I believe this is the first case I've witnessed where a plagiarist has not been permanently banned.  

I agree. Some "lazy" people being helpful and copying some mining guide or some other helpful project announcement from twitter.... or anything just trying to be helpful and answering a question should not be a ban. Just take away their sig for a year or 2. The good posters will still post. I mean a sig should be for promoting projects that you are specifically interested in because you believe they are really going to make a difference here or that you support the person running them. Those will be few and far between and are not gambling, and other shit people spam everywhere just to make money.

If your sig is taken away no big deal you can still post and contribute.

Appeals to keep your account are understandable. That account is your id here and has sentimental/historical value within this movement. A sig is nothing if you cry about losing that then it is obvious you were just here to make a quick buck.

No appeals for copy and paste where the sig is taken away. OR you can appeal but if found guilty still then you are actually banned for good. That will likely put an end to these appeals.

Even that guy the other day banned.

1. was just some obvious project announcement he was relating

2. "walks talks looks like" a duck or whatever else he said is a common saying and I would not even count that as copy and paste anymore than using a film quote or something in a funny way.

I agree though the persons intentions are the most important... and if they are net negative overall.

Yes those bots and spammers ripping off any nonsense to spam over and over for money. Then ban them. Grey areas or possible net positive people sig bans. No point getting rid of anyone that is a real enthusiast for this movement.

Also noticed the edited feature(https://i.imgur.com/ZvSBuji.png)is no longer the same duration.
Noted this when I came back, I was checking patrol and reported someone, but, got bad on my report, I am positive that it was a correct one.

@theymos, correct me if I’m wrong, you did change from:
to
But, the edited feature didn’t change. https://i.imgur.com/le7WIN0.png
I am not saying it is bad update, but, wouldn’t that be frustrating on reporter side? Reporters wouldn’t report a specific topic if it is not worth reporting at all (I don’t mind accuracy).

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EDIT:
Thanks, LoyceV. IIRC, it was 5 to 7 minutes.

Edits within 10 minutes never showed as edited.

You're not wrong, the unedited post had this:

IIRC, ChiBitCTy had plagiarized much more than once (as Redsn0w did), and they were part of a large burst of low effort posts he made while participating in a signature campaign.

If anything, IMO, he would be one of the later people to have their ban removed for plagiarism.

How do you know that redsn0w did it only once?

Just show us what you got suchmoon.

He's got his sig removed for 2 years so unless he a real enthusiast that account will die. If Theymos has looked into it personally and said he can keep his account then he must think this person will continue to contribute even without a paid sig.

This shadowy threat you try to wield to get good members banned for a couple of sloppy errors well meaning errors is going to get taken away from you now. ScumBuster.

Only real plagiarists should be banned that are spamming this board for financial gain. Not people that have good intentions that got lazy or sloppy or were not even aware you HAVE to reference every single thing. A sig ban is  enough for them. That could even be variable in time but since I personally think the board would be way better with no sigs i'm not too bothered about the time length.

Removing quality posters and helpful persons for a sloppy error or 2 is a net negative action as I have said for a long time. You want all the REAL enthusiasts you can get here working together.

I read his ban appeal thread:

I read it too. Nowhere does it say that there was only one plagiarism, nor is it a tenable claim to begin with.

But don't let facts get in the way. Carry on.

Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension

Here's the other plagiarism:



Let me guess... only did it twice? No?


gotta love the "grin" ^^^


So... thrice?

It is like a work of a bot (pilot), just copying the previous reply to manage account for post count. Surely not just once.

I don't know if it's a bot, could be just lazy manual copy-pasta. redsn0w was a quite enthusiastic sig campaign participant at the time:

Re: [DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717300.msg8262823#msg8262823)

Apparently ran out of original content at some point.

Knowing he is into signature campaign on 2014, have knowledge on bot and where to buy some (any kind of functions), it could be possible that he used a bot at some point.

This is not a bot to copy-paste/shitpost for signature campaign money. It's a bot that helps the managers tracking their participants and how many posts they made. Check the link he posted...

Yes, I know, I'm just stating that he knows where to find people that could have bots or know how to configure bots for him to use.

To be clear: I have nothing against redsn0w and I like the case-by-case approach. Hopefully shit-stirrers like Quicksy will be ignored in any such discussions and facts won't be buried under "likes" and "dislikes" for a specific user.

I totally agree with Theymos that the vast majority of plagiarists deserve a permaban, but I'm glad to see the case-by-case approach being implemented. 

There are the rare cases where it's to the benefit of the community that amember not be gone for good, and I very much like the 2-year signature ban.  I think that's a fair punishment.

That was in 2014 .There was no rule or info about plagiarism at all.

If you wanna bann people because of these kind of BS from 2014 you would need to ban half of the forum.


@theymos you are clearly out of your mind giving a temp ban for posts back from 2014.
Did he obey the rules over the last years ?I guess its a clearly yes so why the temp ban and signature punishment ?
Some mental ill pussy like suchmoon destroying accounts by searching any crap she can find ?


I stopped fighting for that forum anymore.Its a waste of time since you are causing the biggest mistakes on this forum hunting legit users for peanuts and letting abusers stay.

You have no respect from me anymore for punishing people because of that stupid kind of staff from 2014.


Loyce already posted it but i will repeat it no other forum on the internet is so strict like your out of control forum which sucks each day more and more as its a pain to participate here without risking to break again a new future rule which will be checked on your account back till 2012 .


The only secure way to not risk any future punishments is to just not participate on this forum anymore.

Only because back then, most people didn't need to be explicitly told that violating international copyright law was against the rules. Those were the days.

I guess you live in your imaginray dream world.
If i would like i could find at at least 50% if not more of todays legendary accounts this kind of plagiarism since nobody cared about it back in the days.Even a small quick copy paste of an important message from media you wanted to share with the community back in 2014 can get you now banned.

Are you going to ban 50% of legendary accounts because of shit like this about some lines copy paste years ago ?

You ban people with know how because of that kind of stupid fact from 2014 and cry at the same time about increasing amount of low quality posts ?
You clearly don't know what you want as else you couldn't explain these stupid actions.

On one hand, plagiarism is very bad, should not be tolerated and substantial punishment should be handed down for even a small number of instances of actual plagiarism (this is a case of actual plagiarism). On the other hand, this happened several years ago, and redsn0w may have been banned for low quality posts that perhaps took the offending posts into consideration (I am not sure about this).

I don't think plagiarism has ever been within the mainstream, and is wrong regardless of when it happened. The question is more along the lines of if someone should be punished for something that happened so long ago.

So why don't you?

Because i'm not an ill dick who gets people banned for plagiarism which happened years ago where noone cared about it.

no you are a massive dick

you can let the first time slip, but the second,third and tenth time is not justifiable - provided that you had access to the instructions already, and this is what most spammers here do, they insist on breaking the rules , sadly.

I am very happy to see that the case-by-case approach is used when dealing with abuse on our forum.
This is for sure, very time consuming and adds a lot of work but is the only way to be fair and avoid mistakes.

I was some time ago in such a situation as described above, because of my laziness I got into trouble.
Accused of plagiarism only because I copy and pasted content to be helpful and provide a fast answer to a newbie member. I have added in my post that this text should be quoted and added author username. That was a really a cold shower and weak up call for me on this forum.

I am happy that I was not banned only red trusted for a few months because I am on the forum for so many years and never did anything wrong before.
If I would be banned for what I have done, even for a short period of time, I don't think, I would have ever come back again. Let me explain why.

First, when that happened I was angry and wasn't filling that I have done something wrong. Took me some time to finally understand that indeed, I did something wrong and against the forum rules.

Thanks to a few very valuable members like those quoted above, I was able to understand my mistakes and change my behavior on the forum.
Started to contribute, reporting abuse (almost 3000 reports), adjusted my post quality and help to build my local community.

I think today, I am a different member thanks to a given chance.

And I would add that without finding those examples, it's a pretty empty claim.  He's just saying they exist to give him a reason for yet another tirade that defends doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing, and against a forum that obviously pisses him off and yet one that he keeps coming back to.  He's an emotional masochist.  If everyone here is wrong and the forum is run like shit, you'd think he'd just move on.  Nobody is supporting his positions on issues anyway.  You would think he'd have learned that, but no.  Thule is like the person who holds your attention hostage with incessant rambling while you're trying to think of an excuse to get away.

Fortunately we have the ignore button, which I have yet to use on him--but it's getting close.

Yeah, I remember those days, back when we used to have freedom. Then people like you who insist on installing a mommy and a daddy to keep watch of over everyone at all times come along and now everyone is worried they are going to get unpersoned for something they said half a decade ago like this is Stalinist Russia and they will be Photoshoped out of all of the old photos for something politically incorrect they said once years ago. Plagiarism should not be tolerated for numerous reasons, but I find it abhorrent frankly to enforce rules upon people who could not have possibly known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law) it was going to be a forum rule in the future.

Yes it is technically not legal, but it also falls squarely within civil law. No one is ever going to bust down your door because you took an unaccredited snippet from a news article and posted it on the internet. Criminal penalties only come into play with wider scale abuse, so your point about being in violation of the law is moot, especially since these laws are not the same in every nation.

I think people plagiarizing in order to abuse the forum should have a penalty for sure. Old posts still technically in violation should just be purged without further action. IMO this is the only just way to go about this, but I am just a troll and have nothing of value to add.

huh.... my sarcasm meter didn't flag that...yours probably did though....

I think that statistic of "half the forum" is pretty exaggerated as I doubt upstanding members of the community would do it. I've never plagiarized, and never even thought to do it. It's just one of those things that everyone knows is wrong to do. However, I'll admit that in certain situations it might be done on accident. For example, if someone is trying to help another user, and they get their information from the web, and don't provide a source. That probably is worth deleting, but I don't think further action would need to be taken. I believe context, and motives are considered. So, if a post from 2014 was the reason for a ban, then I'm sure context, and evaluating the behavior of that user was also taken into consideration.