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February 24, 2019, 04:15:50 PM
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If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Sorry about misunderstanding the policy in place and how it is applied, I appreciate the clarification. I took your advice and created a topic regarding the user in question it can be seen here.

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February 24, 2019, 04:19:18 PM
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There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

I recall a couple of recent discussions and one poll where most folks voted for a bit more leniency in the policy.  It's understandable why some would think this is a new policy.

I believe this is the first case I've witnessed where a plagiarist has not been permanently banned.  

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February 24, 2019, 04:25:29 PM
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I'm still curious to see which post got him banned. If it's really something from years ago, long before plagiarism was a problem, it's totally different than the account farmers that caused massive spam.

I don't know a single other forum that's this strict on plagiarism, especially if someone just copies some text to answer a question and solve a problem.

I agree. Some "lazy" people being helpful and copying some mining guide or some other helpful project announcement from twitter.... or anything just trying to be helpful and answering a question should not be a ban. Just take away their sig for a year or 2. The good posters will still post. I mean a sig should be for promoting projects that you are specifically interested in because you believe they are really going to make a difference here or that you support the person running them. Those will be few and far between and are not gambling, and other shit people spam everywhere just to make money.

If your sig is taken away no big deal you can still post and contribute.

Appeals to keep your account are understandable. That account is your id here and has sentimental/historical value within this movement. A sig is nothing if you cry about losing that then it is obvious you were just here to make a quick buck.

No appeals for copy and paste where the sig is taken away. OR you can appeal but if found guilty still then you are actually banned for good. That will likely put an end to these appeals.

Even that guy the other day banned.

1. was just some obvious project announcement he was relating

2. "walks talks looks like" a duck or whatever else he said is a common saying and I would not even count that as copy and paste anymore than using a film quote or something in a funny way.

I agree though the persons intentions are the most important... and if they are net negative overall.

Yes those bots and spammers ripping off any nonsense to spam over and over for money. Then ban them. Grey areas or possible net positive people sig bans. No point getting rid of anyone that is a real enthusiast for this movement.


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February 24, 2019, 04:32:06 PM
Last edit: February 24, 2019, 05:00:00 PM by theyoungmillionaire
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Also noticed the edited feature()is no longer the same duration.
Noted this when I came back, I was checking patrol and reported someone, but, got bad on my report, I am positive that it was a correct one.

@theymos, correct me if I’m wrong, you did change from:
Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"
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Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"
But, the edited feature didn’t change.
I am not saying it is bad update, but, wouldn’t that be frustrating on reporter side? Reporters wouldn’t report a specific topic if it is not worth reporting at all (I don’t mind accuracy).

EDIT:
Edits within 10 minutes never showed as edited.
Thanks, LoyceV. IIRC, it was 5 to 7 minutes.

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February 24, 2019, 04:40:08 PM
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Also noticed the edited feature()is no longer the same duration.
Edits within 10 minutes never showed as edited.

@theymos, correct me if I’m wrong, you did change from:
Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"
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Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"
You're not wrong, the unedited post had this:
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<b>Nobody</b> is banned because of &quot;the rules&quot;

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February 24, 2019, 06:10:27 PM
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Which means ChiBitCTy can now post to this forum as part of our community again.

I hope so.
IIRC, ChiBitCTy had plagiarized much more than once (as Redsn0w did), and they were part of a large burst of low effort posts he made while participating in a signature campaign.

If anything, IMO, he would be one of the later people to have their ban removed for plagiarism.

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February 24, 2019, 06:23:17 PM
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IIRC, ChiBitCTy had plagiarized much more than once (as Redsn0w did)

How do you know that redsn0w did it only once?

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February 24, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
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IIRC, ChiBitCTy had plagiarized much more than once (as Redsn0w did)

How do you know that redsn0w did it only once?

Just show us what you got suchmoon.

He's got his sig removed for 2 years so unless he a real enthusiast that account will die. If Theymos has looked into it personally and said he can keep his account then he must think this person will continue to contribute even without a paid sig.

This shadowy threat you try to wield to get good members banned for a couple of sloppy errors well meaning errors is going to get taken away from you now. ScumBuster.

Only real plagiarists should be banned that are spamming this board for financial gain. Not people that have good intentions that got lazy or sloppy or were not even aware you HAVE to reference every single thing. A sig ban is  enough for them. That could even be variable in time but since I personally think the board would be way better with no sigs i'm not too bothered about the time length.

Removing quality posters and helpful persons for a sloppy error or 2 is a net negative action as I have said for a long time. You want all the REAL enthusiasts you can get here working together.




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February 24, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
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IIRC, ChiBitCTy had plagiarized much more than once (as Redsn0w did)

How do you know that redsn0w did it only once?
I read his ban appeal thread:
EDIT: Here's the (now deleted) plagiarism:

Possible reason for sell off is people anticipate NXT prise to rise soon, as the 1.2.xx branch is just around the corner, so they sell to get more NXTs.

Possible reason for sell off is people anticipate NXT prise to rise soon, as the 1.2.xx branch is just around the corner, so they sell to get more NXTs.

Last one quoted in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg8276768#msg8276768

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February 24, 2019, 07:09:21 PM
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I read his ban appeal thread:

I read it too. Nowhere does it say that there was only one plagiarism, nor is it a tenable claim to begin with.

But don't let facts get in the way. Carry on.

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February 24, 2019, 07:22:44 PM
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I read his ban appeal thread:

I read it too. Nowhere does it say that there was only one plagiarism, nor is it a tenable claim to begin with.

Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension
Here's the (now deleted) plagiarism:

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February 24, 2019, 08:01:14 PM
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I read his ban appeal thread:

I read it too. Nowhere does it say that there was only one plagiarism, nor is it a tenable claim to begin with.

Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension
Here's the (now deleted) plagiarism:

Here's the other plagiarism:

just nodes that don't have the new daemon I think.

what is the minimum tx fee now?

ust nodes that don't have the new daemon I think.

what is the minimum tx fee now?

Let me guess... only did it twice? No?

Dude, you serious?

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So... thrice?


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February 24, 2019, 08:27:26 PM
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just nodes that don't have the new daemon I think.

what is the minimum tx fee now?

ust nodes that don't have the new daemon I think.

what is the minimum tx fee now?

Dude, you serious?

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So... thrice?
It is like a work of a bot (pilot), just copying the previous reply to manage account for post count. Surely not just once.

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February 24, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
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It is like a work of a bot (pilot), just copying the previous reply to manage account for post count. Surely not just once.

I don't know if it's a bot, could be just lazy manual copy-pasta. redsn0w was a quite enthusiastic sig campaign participant at the time:

Re: [DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting!
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Yes , all spot were taken xD now it time to post !

Apparently ran out of original content at some point.

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February 24, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
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I don't know if it's a bot, could be just lazy manual copy-pasta. redsn0w was a quite enthusiastic sig campaign participant at the time:
Knowing he is into signature campaign on 2014, have knowledge on bot and where to buy some (any kind of functions), it could be possible that he used a bot at some point.

Maybe try to contact the support of coinsbank (ex bit-x).
Oh ok, you should contact marcotheminer I think he is "selling" a bot for the signature campaign. This is the thread :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976910.0


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February 24, 2019, 09:21:43 PM
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Knowing he is into signature campaign on 2014, have knowledge on bot and where to buy some (any kind of functions), it could be possible that he used a bot at some point.

Oh ok, you should contact marcotheminer I think he is "selling" a bot for the signature campaign. This is the thread :

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976910.0
This is not a bot to copy-paste/shitpost for signature campaign money. It's a bot that helps the managers tracking their participants and how many posts they made. Check the link he posted...

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February 24, 2019, 09:27:05 PM
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Knowing he is into signature campaign on 2014, have knowledge on bot and where to buy some (any kind of functions), it could be possible that he used a bot at some point.
-snip-
This is not a bot to copy-paste/shitpost for signature campaign money. It's a bot that helps the managers tracking their participants and how many posts they made. Check the link he posted...
Yes, I know, I'm just stating that he knows where to find people that could have bots or know how to configure bots for him to use.

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February 24, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
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To be clear: I have nothing against redsn0w and I like the case-by-case approach. Hopefully shit-stirrers like Quicksy will be ignored in any such discussions and facts won't be buried under "likes" and "dislikes" for a specific user.

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February 25, 2019, 10:15:40 PM
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I totally agree with Theymos that the vast majority of plagiarists deserve a permaban, but I'm glad to see the case-by-case approach being implemented. 

There are the rare cases where it's to the benefit of the community that amember not be gone for good, and I very much like the 2-year signature ban.  I think that's a fair punishment.

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March 07, 2019, 08:16:54 AM
Last edit: March 07, 2019, 08:30:07 AM by Thule
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That was in 2014 .There was no rule or info about plagiarism at all.

If you wanna bann people because of these kind of BS from 2014 you would need to ban half of the forum.


@theymos you are clearly out of your mind giving a temp ban for posts back from 2014.
Did he obey the rules over the last years ?I guess its a clearly yes so why the temp ban and signature punishment ?
Some mental ill pussy like suchmoon destroying accounts by searching any crap she can find ?


I stopped fighting for that forum anymore.Its a waste of time since you are causing the biggest mistakes on this forum hunting legit users for peanuts and letting abusers stay.

You have no respect from me anymore for punishing people because of that stupid kind of staff from 2014.


Loyce already posted it but i will repeat it no other forum on the internet is so strict like your out of control forum which sucks each day more and more as its a pain to participate here without risking to break again a new future rule which will be checked on your account back till 2012 .


The only secure way to not risk any future punishments is to just not participate on this forum anymore.

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