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For the true believers, Bitcoin will always have value as long as it exists.

We will be happy to work or sell goods for 1 btc even if we know the price will move in the future.

The increase of true believers, of their revenue and of their networth drives the price up because as they get older, they get richer and as they get richer, they get more bitcoins. The process takes year and increases bitcoin's strengh and bottoms.

It's not a year or 2 bear market that will chase previous true believers and new true believers arrive in the community everyday and it's pushing the price higher.

true what you say, and true believers will never run away or stop forever when the price of bitcoin is destroyed. the problem is that bitcoin will never lose its value while there is still internet network in the world, so don't ever worry about the price of bitcoin if it doesn't grow again because in a long time it will come back again

I'd prefer bitcoin enthusiasts to true believers. Understanding the protocol behind the technology and acknowledging rhe potential it has to disrupt the financial system, does not mean you would overlook it's flaws as 'beleivers' in any sphere are wont to.


If I understand this correctly, you mean as investors increase and more enthusiasts join the community, it would support the upward movement of price. And that is true, mass adoption would be pivotal to the growth of bitcoin within the next decade.

I think that the average bitcoin believer isn't very rich.
Having many btc believers won't automatically increase the btc price,because of what I call "the HODLer effect".Many people have bought btc in the past and they just HODL.They aren't participating actively in the market,thus the price isn't going up,because nobody is buying more btc.

It's true but for the HODLERS that has been in the market for years aren't willing to spend most of the bitcoin we held. We spend for some services or goods but we manage to maintain our holdings because we're all waiting for the bull run.

Everyday there are new people who are interested to bitcoin. They are increasing quickly because the character of bitcoin can't be denied and that makes them optimistic to it. As long as there will be new money flowing in to the market, it will increase demand.

Most of us here likely aren't rich anyway and hope that we'd get a good profit by investing in bitcoin. From what I've read in past threads, it seems the early adopters here achieved that.

It's those stories that convince newbies to try and hold some of the μBTC they managed to buy.

Never say never... So many various things can happen and make bitcoin suffer even bigger crash.
Natural disasters like asteroids, automatically comes to mind, scary but possible. Obviously in such horrible scenario, cryptocurrency is the last thing we will be worried about.
So far, so good reality is what we are currently in, being a believer may be insufficient at some point. Appropriate action will be necessary, personal adoption to the maximum extent. By this I mean complete and uncompromised rejection of fiat systems.
Throwing fiducial money in to garbage can, to be frank. Extreme measure for the extreme times.
Let us hope such hard choice will never face us but also we should be aware of that beliefs are not solid enough to sustain this revolution. IMO this is something that we believers know but cant express to well because it scares us.

Many of us claim ourselves as true believers of bitcoin but only few can understand the challenge that bitcoin is facing most of them are just pretending but can't even stand during difficult situation of bitcoin. Well you are right but if you are still holding now that bitcoin price isn't good and you still continue on supporting bitcoin then you can still be a true believer.

If true cultist believers arrive with pitchforks money to invest everyday why is the price going down?

This weekend was probably the worst with those treads that really reek of dispersion, BTC is better than lotto, the believers are hodling, best times to get into crypto, the halving is coming...and I still haven't set foot yet in speculation.

Do you know what true believers do? They don't try to cling on any mirage with the hope the price will go up and spend each day caring about the price. If you really believe in it you're not concerned with the markets, with how others picture you, how you must attract others to your cult, how to change other's opinion.

You start your speech by claiming not to care about price and end it with "pushing the price higher".
Common...


Most of them care about the price, I doubt that 1% of those claiming BTC is such a great invention would give a *** if it weren't for the money gain.

Exactly!

I wish the community was more concerned with the survival of crypto than with getting more fiat here and now, but that's not how the world works. I also catch myself checking the price in the mornings when the price starts moving. Usually I don't care and can immerse myself in work or hobbies for a day without even checking this forum and bitcoin charts, but when there's a +/- 10% move I end up getting excited, even though I never do anything with it. I don't buy because I'm out of fiat money and I don't sell because the price is simply too low. I haven't sold since 10k and if I end up having to wait for it to go back to 10k for another 3 years, I will.

My advice to OP and others with similar goals: Buy and forget about it. It will go up I assure you. It may be tomorrow, but it may also be in the Summer of 2020. You can't do anything about it, so why lose time and nerves?

you are portraying those with bitcoin as members of some cult that are following some belief with blind eyes and closed off brains. but it really isn't like that. the fact that some people own bitcoin and are buying more of it has nothing to do with them just believing in bitcoin. it is about seeing its usefulness and seeing the features that it offers which can not be found anywhere else.
and bitcoin doesn't have value just because it exists. it has value because it has utilities.

From a market speculator's point of view, many do not understand well that bitcoin has had its phases of accumulation, trend and distribution, some analysts only rely on technical analysis to express it, others are based on the rise of technology , which is very valid, but I believe that bitcoin encompasses all these visions and are often difficult to express.

Bitcoin could have another inflation bug or could get 51% attacked and will still hold value, if something catastrophic like another inflation bug happened there would still be tons of people waiting to buy in cheap.  Just the chance of owning the most recognized cryptocurrency as a keepsake is something people will do.

It doesn't matter if you are true or "fake" believer, if bitcoin exists, this automatically means it has value or at least is traded on yobit haha. Also people are happy to buy/sell goods in exchange of bitcoin any time not because they are believers of bitcoin but because it's great payment method and this way you'll find more/additional users. Almost everyone cares on profit, without benefit no one wants your bitcoin, yeah it's benefit when price increases, when it offers anonimity, fast transaction and etc. No one believes in it blindly without benefits.

Well, it can continue to exist and just have a value of $10 for all we know. But would you still keep it? Or work for it? If yes then it's still much valuable in your eyes.

Do I personally believe prices would recover? Yes. But I'm no longer gonna fret how and when. Not comfortable saying this but I kinda have "faith" it will, based on past trends.

Or do you mean bitcoin maximalist?


Then that is not true believers is because it contradicts their principle that bitcoin's price will continue to grow.


No need to generalized it. People have their own motives here, whether to get themselves enrich or used crypto as Store of Value (SoV), or currency, it doesn't makes any difference at all.


As far as I understand, its the exact opposite. Those who came in late 2017 and early 2018 is already out of the market because they have lost so much money already. For who come in this community as just bounty whores and not true believers. And the price is still around $3700, still a far cry from the last all-time-high so there's not push from the believers that you're saying here.

I believe that they know exactly how feels to have something from almost nothing and then how feels when you have something and lost almost everything. True believers will never be in minus at the end, because they are here for long term which will ultimately be very good for them.

True believers cannot give in to the negativity or the bad news the bitcoin keeps getting time and again, most people tend to forget the major reason why the bitcoin was created and all they want from it this days is money, they just want the money and the next minute they are out.
Let's face it,for the true believers, we understand that there is more to the bitcoin than that.
True believers want more adoption and more use as a medium of exchange(buy and sell)

The true believers will help this market to rise, whales cannot manipulate the price if we have more true believers here as they will not panic.

Also, true believers always focus on long term, hence that would decrease the coins in circulation and that is good for the long term price movement.
We need them, the market is good in fundamentals but because of price volatility which is one of the thing they will look at more, they are afraid to invest in the market, hopefully they will seek more so they will understand more and will become a true believer.

Indeed, everyone strives to always believe in what we believe is very valuable while still on earth, only a matter of time when the Btc rises again, maybe in their current position they wait longer than holding a Btc with a very long time, plus a burden the huge mentality they bear for people who have survived after the hype happened at the end of last year, I believe that prices will increase in value in the next few years, after people are convinced that everything will happen after what the government does is a more positive.

Many people keep trust with bitcoin how ever bitcoin price is drop, one day later bitcoin will grow up its the same words always said by bitcoin holder and investor, how long we have see bitcoin could raised to higher price?

Bitcoin true believers must be always optimist despite market condition not good. True believers always ignore fake news and build their investment when the price very cheap. Most true believers just store their coin in wallet and doing their own activity

I also believe that Bitcoin will remain forever as long as there are people and establishments that are using it. The market also does not always be bearish, there should come a time that bull will kick again.

There is no instant way to see a great result, and that is what happens in bitcoin. And for the true believers, they will always solve their problem even to solve their problem if the bad news comes. I am sure that there will be more and more of true believers of bitcoin and they don't feel afraid to see if somehow bitcoin is not increasing the price and we already face it for almost 2 years.

We need to be strong enough to still believe in bitcoin because I know that bitcoin will not let us down. And if the right times comes, I am sure that we can take a lot of money and we will become one of the wealthiest people in our city.

Bitcoin tests us, how strong are we to hold or to use bitcoin while we know that every bad news comes and speak that bitcoin will make us get scam. But for the true believers, they don't care because they know that it just for people who don't like bitcoin and they don't want to see a new change in their life.

I read an article about bitcoin and it mentioned about its investment properties for the future and its store-of-value. Regardless of its continuous bearish slumpo, the value of bitcoin cannot be overlooked as it can be converted to cash. We are still on its embryonic stage and we have yet to discover the true potential of the blockchain technology and the implications once it gets implemented into our transaction system.


No one really knows when this bearish slump would end but you can speculate its market trend by checking articles and its data. Whales continue to manipulate the prices but more and more stores have started to accept it as an alternative payment for their products/services.

You are right the true bitcoin believers are not move by the price of bitcoin but by the usability of bitcoin no matter what the price of bitcoin may be the true users will stick around and make use of bitcoin. And in time to come the price of bitcoin will reach to the moon again.

What I believe and I think I am a true bitcoin believer is not about the price of bitcoin. It is about the utility of bitcoin.

Bitcoin is the way we can actually get to our freedom in financial world, the traditional financial markets are designed to make rich people richer and poor people poorer, sometimes the economy gets so bad that the rich give a bit money to poor so they do not rebel and than the same thing continues to happen.

Sometimes rich people do not even give poor people money and just let the government print out money out of nothing and get the most of it right away and sprinkle the rest to poor making themselves even richer and than taking the rest of the money slowly. Bitcoin can put a stop to this madness and it could be the weapon we have to destroy banks and all that caused this current broken system.

True crypto believers are waiting for mass adoption in my opinion. Mass adoption will bring more crypto influencers to this industry and this will help to grow our small community during adoption. Usability arguments are not clear due to the reasons behind crypto market volatility.

I am an addicted believer and I will say that the post is just too accurate. I believe in Bitcoin not because it is just a coin but because it has proved itself that it is trustworthy. Let this bear market continue for another 5 years (though impossible) but then if it does, I would still believe in Bitcoin.

Bitcoin a decentralized system that is not been controlled and cannot be corrupted by anyone and there is full assurance that any investment made in it either in form of  trading or investment will always yield great dividends. I know how tough life was when I achieved my first coin but the story has changed completely and Bitcoin has brought much turn around to my life and other businesses. I think I will consider myself unjust if I do not believe in this coin and much more believe in it

People are willing to trades goods for almost anything.  Video games, sex, gold, bikes, books, even beanie babies, I've seen everything traded on facebook marketplace and craigslist. 


Also most shops that accept bitcoin as payment convert it instantly to fiat.

Bitcoin will definitely rise and could be any moment. I would advise you no to give into any kind of negative vibe concerning Bitcoin, many people who circulate the rumor of Bitcoin never going to be back high are those who bought when it was in the bull market.

This bear market will still be over its only experience a healing process, we are hopeful for a very mass adoption of bitcoin and as a true believer I would say that bitcoin has never and would not fail anyone. Just relax your mind and remove your mind, I assure you that you won’t be disappointed.

I like to apologize on behalf of the OP if they made you feel believers of Bitcoin are into any kind of cult but I know he didn’t mean it that way and I will give you reasons to that. I think he is just been realistic and I will say the same thing if I was to make this post and I think what he meant by true believer are those whom have really benefit  from bitcoin aside just hearing and accepting it.

I personally didn’t believe in Bitcoin before buying buy first but it proved to me that it’s worth believing in, I wish I can share my story here but I believe I’ll do that someday and this time I can say that am a crazy fan of this cryptocurrency.

I am sure bitcoin price will rise due to the trend of e-commerce growth, become true believers is not easy many panic selling that makes believers heart pumped so hard, but if they sure that the bitcoin advantages will make it's price rise then they can be calm down.

Bitcoin is indeed a transaction tool and makes hypnosis a lot of people because of its strengths, but this belief is a positive attitude for good in financial terms. By seeing this, we will learn to get it and make good use of it.

True believers of BITCOIN doesn't believe on hoax that the internet spreads. But even though a believer exist like that they will likely know how to use an opportunity to their side and most likely pamper themselves after. Holding BTC can be a very profitable job but you must also pamper yourself from time to time. Each believer has their goal for every move they make like limiting their wins and losses.

I have great faith in bitcoin and it ability to change the financial status of the early adopters.  The cryptocurrency market is expanding and many coins are been introduced into the market daily and some of them has values that are above $20,000,000 and that means bitcoin will hardly die as many people are coming to know about it and they are investing.  If you really desires prosperity and financial freedom I think we should understand that investing in bitcoin is going to makes that happened for you.

I think the users of bitcoin are adding everyday but not all of them are true believers, some of them only want shortcut to make huge profit and will sell as soon as they saw chances, the true believers are the one that see the technology and what it could bring in the future, and I can say the one that truly believe in bitcoin are adding every day, a true believers wont sell their bitcoin because of the news, they planned to adopt bitcoin into their daily life

True believers are not Profit hunters.

True believers see the true value behind the technology and not the price. They see how this technology can change the world and disrupt organisations and services that has been exploiting people for years.

True believers actually see the value in spending the coins and using it as a payment option. <Currency> and speculators and profit hunters are hoarding all their coins. < I have a 80/20 strategy, where I spend 20% of all the new coins that I buy and I hoard 80% for a rainy day >  ;)

That's accurate, Unlike the early days of bitcoin when majority of those who engaged with the currency were true believers that saw the technology as a revolution. These days those joining the community are profit seekers and they're coming in their numbers which is contributing destructively to the high level of fud and dip in price resulting from any negative news.

According to you, truly believer don't care the price? Well lies. Well,  if you told me this before when Bitcoin started out and cost quite a little, I do probably believe you.  
But lately everyone or 90% of Bitcoin investors or hodlers actually care about the price and it mostly started when the price hit $600-$1000 which many people actually didn't believe it will do.

if we continue to buy and bitcoin hodl, bitcoin will continue to exist and its value will definitely increase. even though we have to wait for 10 years.

Yes, most early adopters of the technology, saw the massive potential of the technology and they bought loads of coins, because they believed in the technology. < Mostly the "Cypherpunk" community > It was a massive boost for them that this technology became so useful and also increased in value over time.

A lot of those early investors also turned into Crypto Whales and are now manipulating the Crypto markets to generate more wealth for them. <Example : Roger Ver>   :P

Indeed, many people believe in crypto and continue to hunt for it to make a profit. People still believe in technology that has many advantages and certainly will have benefits. By trading in the bear market and knowing what is really profitable, people will continue to do it for the benefit they get.

True believers will hold coins for the long term and play the market with good knowledge.
Shut up but it's dangerous because you already have the expertise and move suddenly to use good opportunities in the market.

That is correct. True believers will always be optimistic about bitcoin. They will not easily fall for fuds and will still remain in crypto world no matter what issues that they will throw to bitcoin. As long as true believers still gaining benefits with the short term or long term investments.

It's just not logical when you think that the longer bitcoin will be able to make people richer, of course it will definitely be affected by market conditions, let's say something like this to people who buy bitcoin when its position was ATH.

Same as you I truly believe in abilities of bitcoin, it has been rising and falling since long, but it never remains down or remain high forever, if the price falls it means we should buy some coin at low price if the price rises then we can sell the same at higher price, so I trust the abilities of bitcoin it is the most promising investment at the moment.

From what I've seen on this forum in the past 4 years, I'd say you're most likely correct.  I also get the impression that a lot of members of this forum are interested in earningmoney, not necessarily bitcoin or any other crypto.  In other words, they aren't hardcore crypto enthusiasts, HODL'ers, and they might not even be particularly passionate about what form of money they earn.  Don't get me wrong, it's still good to have people from all over the world earning crypto via signature campaigns and bounties, but I don't suspect a lot of them would continue to be involved in it if those sources dried up.

I get your point and agree with you, but only to an extent.  My guess is that even true believers want to get rich, and it's only natural for them to want that.  Pretty much everyone does.

Along as it exists, the bitcoin will be forever useless and the true believers will use it. More that the profit it gives us, it will be much happier if we use it as a global currency that are free to use anywhere. As long as bitcoin is there, cryptocurrency will makes sense.

I understand the long-term values of BTC. But if you invest in BTC now, you won't get much profit within 1 year from now. because it has been nearly 4 months but the price of BTC only increased to over $ 700. This is not a good list for you. I think we should not decide on long-term investment now. Please trade when the market is in good condition.

As mentioned for users who doesn't have a better thinking about the evolution made by technology will find bitcoin useless. People who have known about the growth it has attained in a much shorter time period through bitcoin investment find it much more valuable. What they don't express is the panic, as the market fluctuates there will be panic waves around and it's been consolidated.

indeed the current bitcoin price movement is not too much and if you invest when the price is expensive like this is a wrong step because the price is too high and there is no price increase anymore.

That's because we're in a current trend. Eventually it should reverse so don't worry too much about it. As things stand right now, there are likely more true believers in the market than those who have no idea why they're here, or just here for the profit. The bear market did a pretty good job scaring away non believers.

The reason why it easier for true believers to be optimistic about bitcoin is because of the understanding they have and what those who are causing panic in the market lack understands. So many people are still making money from short term trading even with the market challenge.

Wise investors are busy buying enough Bitcoin to hold for a long time during this bear market. True believers are the real benefactors of Bitcoin and I think rather than keeping all the Bitcoin goodies to themselves they should keep on spreading the good news. Let those that have ear hear. 

Do you mean Bitcoin maximalist?  ;D


Because there are majority who wanted to used Bitcoin more as a currency.


But it also takes a lot of discipline to hold on it for a long time and when to sell to book more profits.


The community is growing, just look at how many member we currently have in this forum, it already exceeded millions about a year ago and there are a lot of new faces coming in and in no time pushing the price or believing that the price could increase in the next 2 years.

People who are new to the cryptocurrency doesn't know much about the risk associated with bitcoin as well other cryptocurrencies. Who are already the part of cryptocurrency know that bitcoin is all about risk, and even when the market isn't that positive they give good support with lots of hope to the users. This is possible only with the true believers which a non believer can't say with confidence.

True believers should be concern about the future step too and ruled out the price because it cannot be called as true believers if they only care about the price only and besides all of it true believers also should be starting their acts to makes the future of cryptocurrency better or at least made crypto became an global currency which is this could be hard task to do so

You might have replaced the word “hodler” with the word true believers which isn't a phrase that is really being used enough in the crypto industry. The word hodler is enough to express what you are saying. Just like what BrewMaster said you made it sound bad for a crypto hodler to hear. The Bitcoin community is no way even near to what a cult does. We don't worship BTC or in anyway idolize it somehow as we just only support it as our investment by buying and selling it, some even really use it as a mode of payment to show their support towards it.

Many  True believers trust that Bitcoin is the currency of the future, that is casing a revolution in the digital age, but because of instability and lack of  government approval, individual tends to be skeptical of what the future hold for BTC.

Indeed, people who truly believe in bitcoin will not waste a moment either and still will hold it in any condition. Bitcoin has become a better investment tool than other assets, and bitcoiners will throw 1 BTC for something more useful, not just profit. True Bitcoiner has a good view of the long term and its survival.

It’s always a pleasure to know there are still those who believe so much in Bitcoin.
However, I will like to know the promising aspect of Bitcoin presently, is it in terms of buying now to hold for a long-term or trading.

I bought when it was quite high, although I still believe in Bitcoin rising but I’m interested in knowing what I can be doing with the coin now that the market is down  pending the time it increases. Is there possibility of making money from Bitcoin this time that it is down or the only hope is to wait for the future? Just curious.

What are "true believers"? those who hold and use bitcoin must have confidence and continue to support bitcoin to continue to grow in many sectors, which means those who hold bitcoin are confident with better growth for bitcoin and cryptocurrency in the future, they use bitcoin to be used as payment and investment assets. With active use, the crypto market will continue to grow and fully they have supported bitcoin to become more famous.

I don't think everyone can implement the method like you do because I see some people use their personal money to trade so that their money is trapped in cryptocurrency and prefer to sell at cheap prices to secure their money.

The value of BTC fluctuates not only based on the demand of the currency it also depends on the external issues as well, bad news or frauds around the world. If it only depended on the demand then it would probably reach the highest positions

as a beginner who wants to invest must understand first with all the risks that will be obtained and not only see from the big and fast profits because if investors who do not understand with all the risks they will panic and be confused

The confidential people had lots of trust about their investment right now so it can be like a thing that to be e more critical situation in this time so if we want to give full effort in this time it is only about cold in our investment without any delay we can wait for sometime to get a good result.

Oh, you mean the enthusiast of Bitcoin? Well, they don't have to express it since they like to walk the talk without being noticed. Most of us here are not showing the full details of every cryptocurrency we own. Except we just make our casual job every day as we gain smaller and smaller profit due to the bearish trend of the market, we also thrive to see the next bull season.

Hoarding.
It had been done even before and it really works.  ;D
There is no 21 million bitcoins anymore and we dont even know if more are missing.

Better to get your hands with 10 of it or more.
Dont want to even trade them.
There are also believers but have strong attachment with trading. I just hope what they profit from it goes back to bitcoin so we could pull this value more to be seen by the public again.

That's a piece of bullshit (pardon the language)

Bitcoin is not about blind trust, it is not a Ponzi. It is about real-world utility as this is what counts at the end of the day. You may trust Bitcoin or you may distrust it (or whatever), but if it does its job damn well, you will be using it just because it fits your purpose. If it were only about true believers, Bitcoin would still be in single digits (likely after the decimal point). People can get richer only if they start using Bitcoin in real life. Otherwise, it is a zero-sum game. Think of musical chairs here where there's only one chair standing and it's already taken

I believe in Bitcoin too and I'm one of the old members and I have also been around for long now without quitting for once. But one thing for sure is that everyone has interest of making money and if it's not paying, they are definitely going to call it a quit. Same thing as me, if I'm investing in this and it is not paying, I'm going to quit from it, because I didn't come here just to be losing my money alone.

The crypto community has grown huge, I believe, but like I said it still doesn't change anything. You still see people who are complaining and there are also people who keeps on quitting everyday. The community has grown to a bigger number cause the price rate last ten years is not the same right now. But if you check, it's mostly traders that are holding it up. No one is ready to make normal use of it.

Most of us doesn't tell anyone the details of every crytpocurrency we own due to confidentiality and it's not needed to tell so. However, some of us perhaps tell some of altcoins we're holding in order to give them an idea which coin is good to be traded or hold.

I don't think that is the usual move of an investor.

I don't know if that is really true that there are investors like that. They are quick in investing in the quick-moving price of Bitcoin never thinking that it might dump in the next few hours or days. When they are seeing red all over the charts, they regret it and sell immediately. If they are, I think they should not invest. They should've analyzed and planned it before laying their money on investing in cryptos.

Bitcoin or crypto believers will remain calm in bear market and they always keep it for long term. I am agree that bitcoin is long term investment, its like we are holding gold. The value will increase because our current economic system always need money supply and bitcoin have limited supply

The people who are had a huge confidence with their investment that they made in the recent days will not being more expressive about their thoughts they only made a silence and analyse the things to get the success and definitely they had a huge confidence then normal people in this type of field I think there thought was almost right at any point of time.

Hey as a true bitcoiner I don’t expect bitcoin alone to create magic in my life, because alone it can’t we need to be wise and buy at every dips and then sell at the right prices for profits. I keep on saying to all hodl your coins for the long term, there maybe few fluctuations in the short term but we all will be rewarded in the long term. Also one important thing I stress on is to do your own due diligence, and not fall for the mainstream media false catchy headlines and end up making rash decisions.

I think we now become a true believer of bitcoin because many of us still hope that bitcoin will get high soon, so we still hold the bitcoin until now. We believe that bitcoin will be at the highest price again and although we don't know when the time, we still believe that. I guess that people still also believe because they see what is happen in 2017-2018 and they are sure that bitcoin can reach those price again soon.

I can't agree more. Bitcoin is not created to solved most of people's financial problems. But it can help them, that is if they know how to make profits out of this bear market so that they can enjoy financial freedom in their life. Do your homework, make a good trading plan execute it and don't fall for FUD.

I somehow agree, especially now that the value of cryptocurrencies are always in the verge of of losing up to such a point that most people think negatively about what will happen. However, as a true believer, something that I do not even try to convince others about is the belief that cryptocurrencies would always recover and always try to increase and fight it out. It has been that way since, so even if the value has always been dwindling and has kept of going a more stable route. I think that goes to show how the market with the help of the community always goes out its way to help the coin recuperate.

This is what I truly believe. But this is what you missed, true believers know that bitcoin will forever exists.

I will be happy if bitcoin will be the payment for my work since we have converter on how much for example an $800 cost when it converted to bitcoin.

I am a passionate believer of cryptocurrency/blockchain.


It funny how people make things look as if Bitcoin was stagnant in the past. They pretend as if they don't know why Bitcoin stopped growing so fast. Where do they want users/mass adoption to come from when One of the main thing that made us unique has been taken away. I am a true believer whether it is profitable or not. It is a great technology.

Not just trapped people. We also buy or sell in simple trade. Just, get from low price and sell from high. Holding is also choice, but if I have enough experience to increase the amount of coin, why should I wait?

Right. Bitcoin does not bring any magic that will make us rich overnight. Of course it needs to be worked hard. Bitcoin can be of great help to increase people's economy through engaging in different bitcoin's works that will pay us in good amount and even through investing it alone will give us huge profit if we just know the best entry and exit for it.

If you are a true believer, then it means that you are a passion of what you do. If you are passionate in Bitcoin, and really an enthusiast then there is no way for you to stop and give up. Good things require long term patience because nothing gives fast results. The thing I hate the most is that some of the people who join bitcoin want to consider it as an investment only. They wanted to earn money fast but they don't even know the basics.

Good things required a lot to bloom. Bitcoin is for long term investment. Remember, we have people that invested way back in 2009 and they are still holding their bitcoins. They set a price for themselves in which they will sell the coin. For example, bitcoin must be 200,000 usd for me to sell all my btcs. Although their target hasn't been reached yet, they are still holding their btc and they believe in the technology. That's what a true believer is.

and of course people like that don't panic when there is a dump like in 2018, where many people panic until now and finally frustrated. of course they invest using free money which will further ease the mental burden, so that it can easily hold for a long time in various different conditions

I think that is the idea and the last part of your statement is what really caught my attention which is long-term and survival. Those that truly believe in Bitcoin should not be afraid of leaving it knowing fully well that it will definitely survive in the long run no matter how long it may take.

I feel those who are scared of holding are not sure of its survival because if they are, they would have known that this is the best period to hold and also start accumulating more. Well, I have my Bitcoin intact and am keeping them till it the next bull run because I believe in the future of Bitcoin.

all again to the investors themselves the conviction and patience are the main capital in investing in how we know all the risks that will be obtained

Then to obtain benefit out of this risk we will have to face it bravely and it is only possible when we buy and hold with patience, those who are trust believers and who knows which is right time for buying and selling, even if the price falls they never get afraid but they use to invest as they consider it as an opportunity because they truly believe on abilities of their investment.

the bear market can happen anytime and no one knows, the big popes can do this anytime, those who believe true may have thought values ​​will continue to rise, I think they should be aware if the popes can manipulate the crypto market at any time,

We all already know that market manipulation can be done by the pope at any time but true bitcoiners know what to do. Addressing this is a policy that must be taken so there is no need to fear the nature of the pope.

Indeed. That is what I also do believe and have always keep on believing that as long as Bitcoin do exist, it will always do have a value and I do believe that the sudden downfall can grab the emotions and beliefs of the people towards Bitcoin that sooner or later the price of Bitcoin will still be regained and that is what we totally been seeing right now that slowly but surely, it is already climbing up leading into its peak just like what we have noticed way back 2017. As long as there are people who supports and believes on Bitcoin, it will still remain valuable in any sense and purpose just like what I did. I do not doubt that Bitcoin can still regain from its loss and my belief have drive me to keep on holding into my Bitcoin as well as into my other crypto coins waiting for the perfect time that their prices will regain and will benefit me once again. That is why I keep on exercising the usage of my Bitcoin upon engaging into a crypto casino which is the best casino for me that is  Vegas casino (https://vegascasino.io/casino/video-slots/crazy-bananas?utm_source=cccb) wherein I do enjoy playing variety of games that I do love like slots, pokers and even blackjack and more as well as enjoying their great deal of bonuses just for doing my deposits in terms of Bitcoin into it.

We all have work to do in the world of Patience, I am sure 2 or more people would have invested in bitcoin through our influence, i mean getting awareness through us, in the process of creating this awareness, we need to try and build their mentality for a long term investment, and stop making them see BTC as a get rich quick scheme, we need to encourage them to leave their investment for up-to 5 years before they can see big profit from it, which i believe that many of these people will be willing to do so.

Of course the true believers would always have faith in Bitcoin.
We believe that as long as it still got a value even if it is small there are still a chance that it would get high again.
It would always have a value and would always get high again.

If you have faith in bitcoin , you will hodl bitcoin  . everyone knows what you are doing because everyone can see your balance . that isnt a valid answer imo because if you read the questiom carefully it says that " what you know but you dont express "   for me i know that bitcoins are volatile but i keep on continue what im doing without showing any emotions about how risky bitcoin is due to its unstableness   .  other one is the price of bitcoin , i know that i can get wealthy someday if i pursue my dream but i dont show it to anyone or i dont say it to the people around me that anything is possible to happen with bitcoin .

That is right, if one really believe that Bitcoin will exist for long in future, the best is to make any investment we have for Bitcoin a future one, let us say that a 15 years projects, we all know how valuable BTC is, imagine another 15 years of experience in Bitcoin, do we ever think we will remain stagnant or still be at the level we are here, NO, since BTC can never fail again, every 2 years of BTC will always beautify it, so by 15 years, we would have forgotten all the price value we are talking about now to a far great value, that no matter the selloff that will be happening then, it can never take one third of the profit we would have had on out investment then.

Real Bitcoin enthusiasts are the ones who would never doubt to believe the capabilities of their investment.
They don't have to tell/express to anyone since they don't want them to bother on what they were focused on.
They keep doing what they believe will help and support to the crypto community and stop spreading FUDs.

yes you are right, people who actually had their 100% confident with their investment they definitely be patience in all the time when the market is also not good this is the thing making them more profitable at the end and I think it will work for everyone who are getting this quality.

Yes you’re right, maybe by fifteen years time there will be a huge increase in the price of Bitcoin and those who invested now will have huge profit by then. But you should also ask yourself how possible that will be. Bitcoin is volatile and the same way it goes up, it can also go down the same way. So you not sure of that. And another thing is who is ready to hold for fifteen years?

Even if I sell a product for Bitcoin I don’t think I’m going to hold that money for long in BTC cause I don’t play games with business money. When it comes to investment money, I’m okay with that, and I can hodl it for as long as I want to. But as for business, as I’m getting paid immediately I’m withdrawing that money to fiat. I don’t know for others, but that’s what I do cause I don’t like to risk my money.

 People with positive motivation will always act optimistically by dealing off the long bearishness that will lead on achieving success, true believer's will never leave the shortcoming market, instead keeping the situation as a challenges in crypto world and continue to invest while its value are insufficient. But people with lack of faith will be attached by the current scenario and feel frustrated that may create lame deliberation and one of a way to get loses.

There will be a positive impact into our self  and to our investment as well if truly believe in crypto. Doubtful person never go far and still can't never be change their mind. That's the life they've choose, only we can save them if they are opened for some sort of advice and could listen to us for what is good for them.

That is probably the biggest difference between long term holders and everyone else, those that are holding their coins for the long term have no doubts about the prospects of bitcoin in the future and it is easy to see why that is the case, anyone that bought bitcoin before the last quarter of 2017 still has some small profits or at least is breaking even, only those that invested at the end of that year are losing money, everyone else is still doing fine and once the market recovers even more all of those which invested before the last quarter of 2017 and are still holding will have some small profits.

Your point is good and it is true indeed that people who do believe on it will become rich but be very careful not to forget that such case of holding the coins and selling it when the price is high is not the solution to having a good market. Utility gives it life not just holding. Not all of those who believe will earn at the same time given that without real utility, it will become a race of whoever gets to sell first. This is what happen to the previous all time high and it should not repeat again in the history of bitcoin.

I think what they are believe of will certainly show how their expressions and actions are on the market, its true what you say that people who believe in
bitcoin, in fact they will not be too worried about bearishness, they remain calm because they believe prices will definitely recover

Well the 2018 market showed true believers from those that only got in because of the hype. If you were able to get through up to this point with your btc holdings, then good for you. Though we also have to be a little flexible even if we have that much faith in btc.

That's the spirit of a real bitcoin enthusiast. We all know that holding bitcoin would take time and there will be struggles and we might also lose our confidence about the market situation at times but we should have a positive outlook that could result to a positive outcome in the future. Being positive and believing that the market would always lead us to a sustainable future is the best weapon that we could bring along the journey of waiting.

I think they are the most successful people at the end of the stick with the same decision about holding only and De Express there phone knowledge about the development only and they don't consider about the future it will only be in positive and I think everyone should keep this mind set every time will given the profit only for every investors.

I really Think most true believer were still holding on when Bitcoin price dumped, the few ones that panic sold were never BTC believer, and the people I usually blame a lot are those that calls themselves as believer and then dump the coin in the market. 

Someone that panic sells doesn’t mean he has stopped being a believer; most of them do so with the intention of withdrawing and still buying at deep lower than what they might have invested in.

There were some investment I also did when BTC was $16000, immediately I saw the price dumping, I cashed out at a price lower than $15000 dollars, I never stopped believing, I just waited to take advantage of the bottom price and I was lucky to have been among people that invested when the price  went dip to around $3000.

It seems to me that a large number of unbelievers already dropped out when the price of bitcoin began to decline rapidly. Many even wrote here on the forum that they sell everything and leave. Therefore, those who are locate here and now are the true believers in bitcoin and in crypto in general.

How many % do these believers on overall Crypto community? I doubt that most of them wont really tend to sell nor use their Bitcoin holdings but rather
they would just simply hold it up because they know that price do give out some interest as the years goes by.It is really meant to be stored nor on idle but you cant
blame people on behaving such way yet they do know the potential of price increase later on.

You are right, if we are to check the previous record of Bitcoin, we will realize that most true believer of bitcoin that kept on holding their coins against all odd from the point bitcoin was introduce were the ones that benefited more in this last bull run.

Think about how long it took them to pass through lots of FUDs and still remained a believer, some of us are baby believers n this crypto and we are already panicking and every dump in price, we panic along, we need to have a very strong heart like the older investors hard and keep holding on to our coins till we see the possible ATH of Bitcoin, even if it takes 2 more years.

Many of those people never believed in bitcoin at all and they were here only for the possibility to get profits in a short amount of time and when those possibilities went away when the market crashed then they went away as well, but even if the market begins to be bullish again I doubt that we are going to see those same people in the market again since I have no doubts they are some of the biggest losers since they bought bitcoin near the all time high when it was obviously overvalued.