Title: [Closed] Mass bounty abuse Post by: icopress on March 20, 2019, 07:38:23 PM Code: Note: The topic of the conversation and all relevant materials have been moved to post number 7. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: coinlocket$ on March 20, 2019, 09:35:26 PM Before even reading this huge list
Are accounts owned from the same person? Are those account abuses the same bounty? Where is the original spreadsheet for the bounty/bounties? Where is the link for the bounty? Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on March 20, 2019, 09:41:30 PM Got your PM about this thread, but I am not the right person to evaluate blockchain evidence like this. I think pretty much any other DT member and a lot of other non-DT members are more qualified to validate your detective work here.
I picked two random linked accounts from this list, and they weren't wearing a signature. It isn't clear to me what bounties these people are abusing, but I probably am missing something. In any case, perhaps LoyceV or some other skilled scam buster will stop by and take a look at what you've presented. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is a ring of abusers, but the proof has to be solid for them to get tagged. Sometimes these people will tell you that they're pooling funds in order to save on transaction fees, and that's why the addresses are linked. In general, I don't believe that at all but there's enough reasonable doubt (in my mind) such that I don't usually tag suspected bounty cheaters based on blockchain evidence. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: khaled0111 on March 20, 2019, 11:48:13 PM I have no doubt your intentions are good and it is clear you spent too much time in this investigation. But unfortunately proofs are not solid enough.
We saw similar cases before and the common pretexts are: - for sending tokens to each other: "we are friends" - for using the same TG/FB/twitter account: "I copied someone else's report and forgot to edit the account id. It would be better to report them to bounties managers, it is their job to check whether they are alts or not. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Vod on March 21, 2019, 02:33:23 AM Got your PM about this thread me too. I'll trust The Pharmacist already did what I would do. :) Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Lauda on March 21, 2019, 06:36:17 AM Can you add another list in which users that have higher ranks/merits would be listed first? That would help a bit going through all of it.
But unfortunately proofs are not solid enough. I beg to differ.Title: Materials from the OP Post by: icopress on March 22, 2019, 04:51:10 PM #Please note that the full list of identified and archived abuses is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eZx3V10m4WMGQKMPTe8_YosDIwQSWtzOkIKNycDYJg4/edit?usp=sharing). About 400 Alts
Materials include: Code: Provide proof that the accounts you listed are owned by one and the same person. Either explain the connection here or link © This thread is created and managed by sinatrra12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1034472). Accepted Participant List (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mXVjLYMjNqpcUGSDjTpwrB4AuPhPL3ZkZNzO4drHffE/edit#gid=915172571) Proofs Examples: https://i.imgur.com/pcp5Na0.png (https://telegra.ph/Acc-connection-1240775-1196792-07-25)
There are many bounty campaign, whose activities can not be analyzed in a reasonable time. This situation has become a kind of stimulus for the development and use of the account farming. https://i.imgur.com/Wvyn3G6.png ⓘ Bounty abuser/Farming/Alts 7+: Archive 1 (https://archive.is/wrHOh), 2 (https://telegra.ph/Account-farming-07-31) ꌋ Collinberg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1532780), Chomsy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1759759), olamidey (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1168937), capableuwa1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2077672), bl3zzy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1328702), DOGECOIN92 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1275172), lewis17 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2181578) Code: 0xDdE65B61ebBC4464eD7E313f1811353f99ccd214 https://i.imgur.com/T2HZxZV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6qlnSwd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/33OquZO.png https://i.imgur.com/5VghqO7.png Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse Post by: icopress on March 22, 2019, 05:19:15 PM I am not the right person to evaluate blockchain evidence like this. I think pretty much any other DT member and a lot of other non-DT members are more qualified to validate your detective work here. My pm/posts are usually addressed only to those participants who show common sense in this chaos. I create threads only when evidence related to Alt's cannot be disputed. (Txns, Etc.)In general, I don't believe that at all but there's enough reasonable doubt (in my mind) such that I don't usually tag suspected bounty cheaters based on blockchain evidence. How about the first example? 1. Alts - members of one bounty company. 2. Snapshot (identified Address with Bitcointalk profile). 3. Snapshot (transaction linking accounts + link to Txns). I picked two random linked accounts from this list, and they weren't wearing a signature. The lack of sig may be due to the fact that some accounts have already been connected with accounts from the "list of users Mk III" or "Smas", etc.I don't think that in this example need more solid proofs. Quote However, I thought that I was not the only one to feel the presence of shit'accounts per mile... I'll trust The Pharmacist already did what I would do. :) Well, then I'll go and spend another ....... hours fighting Alt's. ;DTitle: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: icopress on March 22, 2019, 06:32:24 PM Can you add another list in which users that have higher ranks/merits would be listed first? That would help a bit going through all of it. These profiles correspond to the description.Here are all the necessary links (TxHash , Archive Bounty) - https://telegra.ph/Bounty-abuser2-Alts-462517-877231-11-08 Linked accounts Bitcointalk: Landak (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=462517), Ginsan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=877231) https://i.imgur.com/hbxTUOs.png https://i.imgur.com/ANKegTU.png https://i.imgur.com/7PnxFBE.png Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Avirunes on March 22, 2019, 06:47:06 PM -snip- Is it only 2 accounts or more? I guess Lauda asked for a list of High ranked accounts. Lauda do have a point that tagging low ranked users won't lead to anything. They will still be able to register with new account and be at it again. Maybe forcing bounty managers to lift up the minimum rank to be eligible to participate changes things? I will look at this list this weekend. It's a very large sheet and list to process :o Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Patatas on March 22, 2019, 07:23:43 PM Damn did he participate in an entire bounty campaign by himself? I guess that is even more than the number of participants are accepted in a bounty campaign. Anyway, tagging those accounts will be a hell of a job for the DT members. Let's see who's ready to take up that challenge. :D
Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: coinlocket$ on March 22, 2019, 08:05:15 PM Damn did he participate in an entire bounty campaign by himself? I guess that is even more than the number of participants are accepted in a bounty campaign. Anyway, tagging those accounts will be a hell of a job for the DT members. Let's see who's ready to take up that challenge. :D Not really, I think some of them uses bots to join Idk how it is possible but one time I found one with 10000 accounts... yes 10k. Also this one with 560 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4759763.0 And this one with 1000 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4139632.0 Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: YOSHIE on October 02, 2020, 09:30:42 AM Hello @icopress, I am not replying to your PM anymore, I will tell you directly here, thread.
Sometimes people are very difficult to accept something that you think is true, I myself rarely connect Alt doing Tx: transactions, difficult for other members to accept, they are connected to each other. I reviewed some of the ETH addresses used by Alt that you published, however, some are connected and some are not, I only see the addresses used, not entered into transactions. Therefore, if you want to post on: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q4) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0) re-prove about them connected, the rules there must use the existing form and include evidence like other members do it, so that the other members could judge that they were indeed a cheating and connected Alt. I think it's better, no problem, if you want to do it there. Or create a new thread about Alt Cheating on Reputation, by proving that they are Alt cheating in the Bounty campaign, I mean other members who see faster understand what you did right. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Timelord2067 on October 04, 2020, 01:12:05 PM ... Therefore, if you want to post on: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q4) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0) re-prove about them connected, the rules there must use the existing form and include evidence like other members do it, so that the other members could judge that they were indeed a cheating and connected Alt. ... I'd rather (they) didn't... I've only just seen this thread for the first time and I can't follow what the "proof" is, I'd rather be walked through this thread rather than it spill over into the Known Alts thread (not unless there was some flow to the evidence that I can't see) ?? (I don't investigate ETH transactions, so I am not in a position to make a judgement call on such matters). ... but if you do feel the need, please use the Submission Form (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0#post_Form) which might help explain the connections etc. Thanks. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: tarable on November 02, 2020, 01:22:44 PM The accusations from icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) against me are completely untrue and false, because basically I don't know these three people and the wallet I used was never connected to the wallet they were using at that time, so you have provided false evidence in this matter, so I just wish you to remove redtrust from my account.
Note: please provide proper evidence as well as a really strong reason in this case, because it concerns an individual's reputation Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 02, 2020, 02:04:54 PM icopress ,I would also like to see a more detailed description of the relationship between all accounts. Since this is done in this thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0 What should I understand from this picture. https://i.ibb.co/hyt3Zdb/Screenshot.png (https://ibb.co/s2M861n) Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: tarable on November 02, 2020, 03:37:03 PM icopress ,I would also like to see a more detailed description of the relationship between all accounts. Since this is done in this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0 What should I understand from this picture. https://i.ibb.co/hyt3Zdb/Screenshot.png (https://ibb.co/s2M861n) I just want justice here, because basically I don't know all of them and I've never had any contact with all of them, so is there no sanction or punishment for people who wrongly accuse other people, because this concerns someone's good name and reputation, I hope there are still people who think professionally here. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: tarable on November 03, 2020, 02:41:10 AM Hello @icopress, I am not replying to your PM anymore, I will tell you directly here, thread. Sometimes people are very difficult to accept something that you think is true, I myself rarely connect Alt doing Tx: transactions, difficult for other members to accept, they are connected to each other. I reviewed some of the ETH addresses used by Alt that you published, however, some are connected and some are not, I only see the addresses used, not entered into transactions. Therefore, if you want to post on: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q4) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0) re-prove about them connected, the rules there must use the existing form and include evidence like other members do it, so that the other members could judge that they were indeed a cheating and connected Alt. I think it's better, no problem, if you want to do it there. Or create a new thread about Alt Cheating on Reputation, by proving that they are Alt cheating in the Bounty campaign, I mean other members who see faster understand what you did right. Hello sir, icopress has accused me with evidence that is not accurate at all and even it is false evidence because basically I was never associated with the three people he accuses, sir can fully check on the exposure of the wallet made by icopress, so I just want a fairness here, because this is concerned with a reputation he should give the right one not the fake Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: nutildah on November 03, 2020, 04:12:36 AM Hello sir, icopress has accused me with evidence that is not accurate at all and even it is false evidence because basically I was never associated with the three people he accuses, sir can fully check on the exposure of the wallet made by icopress, so I just want a fairness here, because this is concerned with a reputation he should give the right one not the fake I reviewed the connection and I don't think it deserves a negative rating. There's a chance the first two accounts are connected (tarable and MonaLeeTracy) based on the timing and place of token withdrawal, but that's not enough to connect two accounts as being alts, IMO. @icopress can you please shed some light on your conclusion here? Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: tarable on November 03, 2020, 04:55:16 AM I reviewed the connection and I don't think it deserves a negative rating. There's a chance the first two accounts are connected (tarable and MonaLeeTracy) based on the timing and place of token withdrawal, but that's not enough to connect two accounts as being alts, IMO. I have repeatedly said that I don't know the three of them, including MonaLeeTracy, I don't blame anyone here, it's just that I say that professionalism must always be prioritized, especially when it comes to accusing other people who can tarnish their names. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: icopress on November 03, 2020, 04:57:06 AM This is ridiculous ... Considering that yesterday three users wrote to me in a PM, whose names appear in this list. (Users who haven't published anything for about a year or two).
https://i.imgur.com/DiR7zSB.png So much time has passed, and I do not remember under what circumstances I did this report (https://telegra.ph/Account-farming-07-22). But the fact is, I would never waste time on these accounts if I didn't have enough evidence, (2 years ago). And I changed my feedback to neutral, as I could not find information in my records about the transactions linking these 4 accounts. I will return Neg feedback if I find it. The problem is that campaign managers are oblivious to neutral feedback, and I'm not sure if it's worth changing. I am talking about the totality of all these facts, without considering them separately. 1. The screenshot was taken about a few months after Tarable took part in the bounty campaign we're talking about, (that is, these four accounts were seen in two bounty campaigns). 2. Also, all 4 accounts were registered on the forum with a very short interval. 3. Last Active: (Almost synchronous online). 4. All four accounts have a posting history in the same local section, Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia). 5. Tarable and these three other accounts are perfect examples of Bump Spammer/Shitposter, (a lot of one-liners posts). https://i.imgur.com/gCJsxCh.png Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Iccang161096 on November 03, 2020, 07:07:36 AM Why you didnt reply my message? What's your proof? It's not totally a proof. Your proof too low
Sorry for my english. Are you hungry bro? Im already sent you a PM about why I have same transactions with 3 accounts you said.. Please take a look, are you blind bro? Or you just hungry? Please see all my appeal. Or just wait I will send here so public can see Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: nutildah on November 03, 2020, 07:21:20 AM This is ridiculous ... Considering that yesterday three users wrote to me in a PM, whose names appear in this list. (Users who haven't published anything for about a year or two). Its because your old trust references are showing up as Default Trust now. You could very well be right about your connections here, but without blockchain or social media connections its pretty flimsy, and similar last active times isn't really a good enough reason by itself to leave a red tag. If you look at coinlocket's trust left for tarable before yours, you'll see they considered leaving red but changed it to neutral based on a similar conclusion. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Iccang161096 on November 03, 2020, 07:22:29 AM This is ridiculous ... Considering that yesterday three users wrote to me in a PM, whose names appear in this list. (Users who haven't published anything for about a year or two). https://i.imgur.com/DiR7zSB.png I dont understand your logic. So do you think if someone send you message with same day you said they are cheater? Are you kidding? IT'S NOT A PROOF BRO.. Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: icopress on November 03, 2020, 07:57:24 AM I dont understand your logic. So do you think if someone send you message with same day you said they are cheater? Are you kidding? IT'S NOT A PROOF BRO.. Its because your old trust references are showing up as Default Trust now. You could very well be right about your connections here, but without blockchain or social media connections its pretty flimsy, and similar last active times isn't really a good enough reason by itself to leave a red tag. If you look at coinlocket's trust left for tarable before yours, you'll see they considered leaving red but changed it to neutral based on a similar conclusion. This report (https://telegra.ph/Bounty-abuser3Alts-11-17) presents data on the participation of Boss95rnd, Onika84, iccang161096 accounts in one bounty campaign (accounts are linked by transactions). Accounts use an intermediate address, and then transfer tokens to the main one, (the owner of the main address has a trust rating of -9). 0x400E2B1817d020094d... - Onika84 → 0x55f0F689A39D17ed9d... - iccang161096 → 0x6c7a64e816 (https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x6c7a64e816ff996f7476df8c5401ca22dc782224).... → 0x8420537853d.. jamalaezaz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=721115), https://archive.is/26uJR 0xb1AC9db0d6a1eC291F... - Boss95rnd → Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Iccang161096 on November 03, 2020, 01:34:26 PM I dont understand your logic. So do you think if someone send you message with same day you said they are cheater? Are you kidding? IT'S NOT A PROOF BRO.. Its because your old trust references are showing up as Default Trust now. You could very well be right about your connections here, but without blockchain or social media connections its pretty flimsy, and similar last active times isn't really a good enough reason by itself to leave a red tag. If you look at coinlocket's trust left for tarable before yours, you'll see they considered leaving red but changed it to neutral based on a similar conclusion. This report (https://telegra.ph/Bounty-abuser3Alts-11-17) presents data on the participation of Boss95rnd, Onika84, iccang161096 accounts in one bounty campaign (accounts are linked by transactions). Accounts use an intermediate address, and then transfer tokens to the main one, (the owner of the main address has a trust rating of -9). 0x400E2B1817d020094d... - Onika84 → 0x55f0F689A39D17ed9d... - iccang161096 → 0x6c7a64e816 (https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x6c7a64e816ff996f7476df8c5401ca22dc782224).... → 0x8420537853d.. jamalaezaz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=721115), https://archive.is/26uJR 0xb1AC9db0d6a1eC291F... - Boss95rnd → Im already PM you Here my proof of all "I got the problem now why im have same txh hash with their people The dev send 2x reward for linkedin campaign so I send back to the dev Please see this image what I how many I send back to the dev Image: https://imgur.com/a/ZNDm9zW And you can see the spreadsheets here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xza-Zb4eAJxkukZOri7pbUHpv76oLpCcBgBeTibmpIc/edit#gid=1920017074 And here my address so you can see the transactions "how many I send" : https://etherscan.io/token/0x131f193692b5cce8c87d12ff4f7aa1d4e1668f1e?a=0x55f0f689a39d17ed9db4512b2c4344739827547e Please see all my proof I think it's already clear" PLEASE SEE!! Once again. Do you know how many allocations reward DRONE for DEEP AERO bounty?? If you said this my also my address, How can I recieve 250Mil DRONE token?? How? How can I'm recieve before bounty distributed?? Please see my proof : https://imgur.com/a/p9l1JpQ Im waiting your reply Title: Re: Mass bounty abuse^400 Alts Post by: Iccang161096 on November 03, 2020, 01:39:48 PM I dont understand your logic. So do you think if someone send you message with same day you said they are cheater? Are you kidding? IT'S NOT A PROOF BRO.. Its because your old trust references are showing up as Default Trust now. You could very well be right about your connections here, but without blockchain or social media connections its pretty flimsy, and similar last active times isn't really a good enough reason by itself to leave a red tag. If you look at coinlocket's trust left for tarable before yours, you'll see they considered leaving red but changed it to neutral based on a similar conclusion. This report (https://telegra.ph/Bounty-abuser3Alts-11-17) presents data on the participation of Boss95rnd, Onika84, iccang161096 accounts in one bounty campaign (accounts are linked by transactions). Accounts use an intermediate address, and then transfer tokens to the main one, (the owner of the main address has a trust rating of -9). 0x400E2B1817d020094d... - Onika84 → 0x55f0F689A39D17ed9d... - iccang161096 → 0x6c7a64e816 (https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x6c7a64e816ff996f7476df8c5401ca22dc782224).... → 0x8420537853d.. jamalaezaz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=721115), https://archive.is/26uJR 0xb1AC9db0d6a1eC291F... - Boss95rnd → So why if someone joined same bounty campaign? Are the bounty campaign for just one person? And what's is this "https://archive.is/26uJR"? That's dev address. So why? You think we can recieve 250Mil DRONE Token before bounty distributions? And you know who Jamalaesaz? Please if you wanna give us negative trust, make a more proof. |