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Note: The topic of the conversation and all relevant materials have been moved to post number 7.
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March 20, 2019, 09:35:26 PM |
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Before even reading this huge list
Are accounts owned from the same person? Are those account abuses the same bounty? Where is the original spreadsheet for the bounty/bounties? Where is the link for the bounty?
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March 20, 2019, 09:41:30 PM |
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Got your PM about this thread, but I am not the right person to evaluate blockchain evidence like this. I think pretty much any other DT member and a lot of other non-DT members are more qualified to validate your detective work here.
I picked two random linked accounts from this list, and they weren't wearing a signature. It isn't clear to me what bounties these people are abusing, but I probably am missing something. In any case, perhaps LoyceV or some other skilled scam buster will stop by and take a look at what you've presented. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is a ring of abusers, but the proof has to be solid for them to get tagged.
Sometimes these people will tell you that they're pooling funds in order to save on transaction fees, and that's why the addresses are linked. In general, I don't believe that at all but there's enough reasonable doubt (in my mind) such that I don't usually tag suspected bounty cheaters based on blockchain evidence.
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March 20, 2019, 11:48:13 PM |
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I have no doubt your intentions are good and it is clear you spent too much time in this investigation. But unfortunately proofs are not solid enough.
We saw similar cases before and the common pretexts are: - for sending tokens to each other: "we are friends" - for using the same TG/FB/twitter account: "I copied someone else's report and forgot to edit the account id.
It would be better to report them to bounties managers, it is their job to check whether they are alts or not.
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March 21, 2019, 02:33:23 AM |
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Got your PM about this thread
me too. I'll trust The Pharmacist already did what I would do.
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March 21, 2019, 06:36:17 AM |
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Can you add another list in which users that have higher ranks/merits would be listed first? That would help a bit going through all of it. But unfortunately proofs are not solid enough.
I beg to differ.
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March 22, 2019, 04:51:10 PM Last edit: February 05, 2022, 02:11:40 AM by icopress |
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#Please note that the full list of identified and archived abuses is here. About 400 AltsMaterials include:Provide proof that the accounts you listed are owned by one and the same person. Either explain the connection here or link © Proofs Examples:
There are many bounty campaign, whose activities can not be analyzed in a reasonable time. This situation has become a kind of stimulus for the development and use of the account farming. ⓘ Bounty abuser/Farming/Alts 7+: Archive 1, 2ꌋ Collinberg, Chomsy, olamidey, capableuwa1, bl3zzy, DOGECOIN92, lewis170xDdE65B61ebBC4464eD7E313f1811353f99ccd214 0x2249C7eEd5CF914d391916E2736774Bfb5Db4905 0x3ee2d40bb5cca40cC93ae5DC10aB5D6ae588B8Cf 0x1e58f9F9296B934d1012cD6cb81c08BAe83457d0 0x5a3F638A95B60A719bc22ca24fD3eFa71103cA78 0x59D24be241Ab2a98516f5D13c3f4Cc1B6C29c2C9 0x84D32b3AB1C8124aCaBD25Ac5057e2b502a3F472
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March 22, 2019, 05:19:15 PM Last edit: March 22, 2019, 05:50:28 PM by icopress |
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I am not the right person to evaluate blockchain evidence like this. I think pretty much any other DT member and a lot of other non-DT members are more qualified to validate your detective work here. My pm/posts are usually addressed only to those participants who show common sense in this chaos. I create threads only when evidence related to Alt's cannot be disputed. (Txns, Etc.) In general, I don't believe that at all but there's enough reasonable doubt (in my mind) such that I don't usually tag suspected bounty cheaters based on blockchain evidence. How about the first example?1. Alts - members of one bounty company. 2. Snapshot (identified Address with Bitcointalk profile). 3. Snapshot (transaction linking accounts + link to Txns). I picked two random linked accounts from this list, and they weren't wearing a signature. The lack of sig may be due to the fact that some accounts have already been connected with accounts from the " list of users Mk III" or " Smas", etc.
I don't think that in this example need more solid proofs. However, I thought that I was not the only one to feel the presence of shit'accounts per mile...I'll trust The Pharmacist already did what I would do. Well, then I'll go and spend another ....... hours fighting Alt's.
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March 22, 2019, 06:32:24 PM |
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Can you add another list in which users that have higher ranks/merits would be listed first? That would help a bit going through all of it.
These profiles correspond to the description. Here are all the necessary links (TxHash , Archive Bounty) - https://telegra.ph/Bounty-abuser2-Alts-462517-877231-11-08Linked accounts Bitcointalk: Landak, Ginsan
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March 22, 2019, 06:47:06 PM |
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-snip-
Is it only 2 accounts or more? I guess Lauda asked for a list of High ranked accounts. Lauda do have a point that tagging low ranked users won't lead to anything. They will still be able to register with new account and be at it again. Maybe forcing bounty managers to lift up the minimum rank to be eligible to participate changes things?
I will look at this list this weekend. It's a very large sheet and list to process
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March 22, 2019, 07:23:43 PM |
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Damn did he participate in an entire bounty campaign by himself? I guess that is even more than the number of participants are accepted in a bounty campaign. Anyway, tagging those accounts will be a hell of a job for the DT members. Let's see who's ready to take up that challenge.
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March 22, 2019, 08:05:15 PM |
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Damn did he participate in an entire bounty campaign by himself? I guess that is even more than the number of participants are accepted in a bounty campaign. Anyway, tagging those accounts will be a hell of a job for the DT members. Let's see who's ready to take up that challenge. Not really, I think some of them uses bots to join Idk how it is possible but one time I found one with 10000 accounts... yes 10k. Also this one with 560 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4759763.0And this one with 1000 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4139632.0
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Hello @icopress, I am not replying to your PM anymore, I will tell you directly here, thread. Sometimes people are very difficult to accept something that you think is true, I myself rarely connect Alt doing Tx: transactions, difficult for other members to accept, they are connected to each other. I reviewed some of the ETH addresses used by Alt that you published, however, some are connected and some are not, I only see the addresses used, not entered into transactions. Therefore, if you want to post on: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q4) re-prove about them connected, the rules there must use the existing form and include evidence like other members do it, so that the other members could judge that they were indeed a cheating and connected Alt. I think it's better, no problem, if you want to do it there.Or create a new thread about Alt Cheating on Reputation, by proving that they are Alt cheating in the Bounty campaign, I mean other members who see faster understand what you did right.
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I'd rather (they) didn't... I've only just seen this thread for the first time and I can't follow what the "proof" is, I'd rather be walked through this thread rather than it spill over into the Known Alts thread (not unless there was some flow to the evidence that I can't see) ?? (I don't investigate ETH transactions, so I am not in a position to make a judgement call on such matters). ... but if you do feel the need, please use the Submission Form which might help explain the connections etc. Thanks.
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November 02, 2020, 01:22:44 PM |
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The accusations from icopress against me are completely untrue and false, because basically I don't know these three people and the wallet I used was never connected to the wallet they were using at that time, so you have provided false evidence in this matter, so I just wish you to remove redtrust from my account. Note: please provide proper evidence as well as a really strong reason in this case, because it concerns an individual's reputation
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icopress ,I would also like to see a more detailed description of the relationship between all accounts. Since this is done in this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0What should I understand from this picture.
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November 02, 2020, 03:37:03 PM |
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I just want justice here, because basically I don't know all of them and I've never had any contact with all of them, so is there no sanction or punishment for people who wrongly accuse other people, because this concerns someone's good name and reputation, I hope there are still people who think professionally here.
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November 03, 2020, 02:41:10 AM |
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Hello @icopress, I am not replying to your PM anymore, I will tell you directly here, thread. Sometimes people are very difficult to accept something that you think is true, I myself rarely connect Alt doing Tx: transactions, difficult for other members to accept, they are connected to each other. I reviewed some of the ETH addresses used by Alt that you published, however, some are connected and some are not, I only see the addresses used, not entered into transactions. Therefore, if you want to post on: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2020 Q4) re-prove about them connected, the rules there must use the existing form and include evidence like other members do it, so that the other members could judge that they were indeed a cheating and connected Alt. I think it's better, no problem, if you want to do it there.Or create a new thread about Alt Cheating on Reputation, by proving that they are Alt cheating in the Bounty campaign, I mean other members who see faster understand what you did right.Hello sir, icopress has accused me with evidence that is not accurate at all and even it is false evidence because basically I was never associated with the three people he accuses, sir can fully check on the exposure of the wallet made by icopress, so I just want a fairness here, because this is concerned with a reputation he should give the right one not the fake
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Hello sir, icopress has accused me with evidence that is not accurate at all and even it is false evidence because basically I was never associated with the three people he accuses, sir can fully check on the exposure of the wallet made by icopress, so I just want a fairness here, because this is concerned with a reputation he should give the right one not the fake
I reviewed the connection and I don't think it deserves a negative rating. There's a chance the first two accounts are connected (tarable and MonaLeeTracy) based on the timing and place of token withdrawal, but that's not enough to connect two accounts as being alts, IMO. @icopress can you please shed some light on your conclusion here?
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November 03, 2020, 04:55:16 AM |
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I reviewed the connection and I don't think it deserves a negative rating.
There's a chance the first two accounts are connected (tarable and MonaLeeTracy) based on the timing and place of token withdrawal, but that's not enough to connect two accounts as being alts, IMO.
I have repeatedly said that I don't know the three of them, including MonaLeeTracy, I don't blame anyone here, it's just that I say that professionalism must always be prioritized, especially when it comes to accusing other people who can tarnish their names.
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