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If you can play in the USA isn't the bitcoin gambling site unfair since every single "big" "good" "fair" casinos do not let USA players play?

sounds like you are shilling

after looking at that site, it doesnt look like it is probably fair or there is no way to check that it is

Try using Casino Dapps.

House-edge is kinda an issue but some of them provide their services to USA.

No KYC when you won a big amount.

It's not the casinos to decide so I won't say casinos are being unfair! It's the local legislative structure due to which US online casinos are not allowing US players.  So it's no unfairness from the casino's part! I believe every US online casinos will be happy to welcone US players because they are considered as the "big pocket' customers!

Also in the era of VPN, who really cares till the time online casinos don't ask for KYC!

Exactly, so every online bitcoin casino that lets USA players play, is breaking the law, so if they are okay with breaking that law, why wouldn't that not be "fair" or pay out jackpots, etc.

Not sure about that since they already took necessary steps to prevent US IP address and under 18 years old to enter. By using VPN and clicking "I am 18 yo" button, I think they are free from legal problems.

It would help if you tried casino dApps as @EastSound said.

No, they are fair in my opinion because of not all bitcoin gambling sites prohibited USA player to gamble. People who lived in the USA could still search the other bitcoin gambling so they can play with the other gambler. It doesn't matter if they cannot play in one or two sites because there are many another website who will allow them.

Or maybe it's because the regulations in the USA that don't allow people to play gambling. I guess that there will be no problem for people who live in the USA because they can solve that thing so they could still play gambling.

I don't think that it is appropriate to say that it is unfair to other people if you can play in bitcoin gambling in USA. I think it's just a technique for you to play. I'm not saying I'm doing this since I'm not a US citizen and nothing is prohibiting me in playing bitcoin casino but you can use VPNs so that you can play.

Everyone that says to use a VPN doesn't realize using a VPN voids the TOS of every gaming site that blocks USA residents. They do not have to process your withdrawal if you are caugyt?. That is not worth the risk

You can be always caught if you use a VPN to access a site, website administrators keep logs of all the ip addresses that access the site.

Why do you want to play in an US casino when there are thousand others without any limitation in the crypto world ?
Casinos are no different from each other, each one has a fixed house edge and for the provably fair there are discussions going on from a long time here, personally I believe that many are provably fair casinos.

So that's the risk of it. I don't know I'm sorry I haven't done that, I just think that as a solution to your problem. If so, then it's really unfair to US residents because they can't play bitcoin casinos. Is bitcoin casino banned in US? Or is there any floating reason for this?

VPN can be use to bypass restriction, but there's also a risk on that.
It's only the IP that you bypass but in reality you are not allowed to gamble.
I'm just lucky I am not from US and I can gamble in majority of the crypto sites, that makes it more satisfying to me since
with the advent of crypto and the big competition in created in the market, I can gamble anytime at any sites I like.

The casino is not breaking the law its the player who is breaking their ToS. If a player uses a VPN that player can bypass the casinos IP restriction and casino operator wouldn't know that. Don't blame the casino, bitcoin gamblers know a lot of steps to bypass any restriction that a casino gave them.

No, it isn't what you think. Online crypto casinos or any gambling sites are banned in the US due to its jurisdiction. However, if you're American and not living in US you can technically use the online casinos without worrying that you will be caught. Likewise, afaik, there's still no specific law that make bitcoin gambling illegal, they just simply banned it.

I don't see why would that be unfair at least to people. It's probably unfair for governments who are trying to stop people from gambling but that's a different discussion. Big and trusted casinos don't accept USA users because they don't want to get into trouble if anything happens, while for new casinos this is not a problem because if something happens and their casino gets closed they don't lose much.

Their are online crypto casinos which are allowing US citizens by following the rules and regulations stated by US Laws, so if any US citizens want to play they have to follow all rules and then play if not when withdrawal is asked they will get all problems. This has been done for the benefit of the US Citizens so that they can be saved by the gambling addiction so that they dont spoil their life and surrounding them life also.

I think people can solve the problem if their country doesn't allow them to play gambling. People will search the way to access the gambling site, and they will find that using a VPN can solve that.
Maybe the USA governments have good things for their people, and they don't want to see people will become addicted to gambling. But with internet on everywhere, people of the USA could still play gambling because if they choose to play online gambling, then that will easy for them to visit on every gambling site with VPN.

When a certain country been blocked then if you do really eager on playing gambling online then you would really be forced on using it up.You know the risk on the first place.So, once caught then expect on what would possible happen.

From the time that the casino tells you that US citizens are not allowed to play, it is up to the gambler if he gambles or not.
Gamblers can use VPN to do so or they can also gamble via DApps that do not require KYC, thus gamblers cannot be identified if they are from the US or not.

Yeah, it will be more risky if you are caught in action while your big money was already place on the casinos. I don't know why there's a big restriction on so many gambling sites for the US Citizen but you can still find a good site where you can play well. Not sure if bitvest, bustadice, 777 are free for US citizen you can just try and try until you found a good gambling site where you can play and have fun.

I think it is the USA laws that prohibite such activities. It is not fair but we can not really blame the casino or gambling sites. I think in future our governments are going to make thinks easy for the citizens in future. 

There would be always a way on how you would able to play gambling online and with VPN alone which it do really breaks out that wall for you not to play.USA do really have concern into its citizens but they cant completely stop for them to play if they wanted too.Lots of ways on how to jump into their jurisdiction but be careful because if you have been traced that you are violating their
laws then it will really be a headache.

Ive read some posts about this one but im not sure if the US players are banned on crypto casinos or casinos are banned on the US. Either way there is no good about it. One thing is for sure that there is some tention with US and crypto casinos. I am also curioused about this one.

US is aware of crypto and they are serious with regulation, so if you are a citizen, you might be ban from gambling.
Gambling sites are not ban as they can operate in any location, the US government only protect their citizen that is under their jurisdiction, my opinion.

Thank you for the explanation because that is what many of us especially those that are not from USA doesn't understand.  Gambling industry is growing during this crypto era and since USA governments are against it they are trying to protect their citizens from possible loses.

Blame your government. All US citizens are barred from gambling or playing cards for money online outside the mainland jurisdiction. I think the gambling tycoons of Las Vegas lobbied this to happen. They don't want you to lose your money to foreigners.

Why are USA players banned from participating in Bitcoin casinos? Are there any prohibitions or reasons that prevent you from participating? Cryptocurrency is always one of the decentralized and anonymous platforms so you can use VPN, SSH and some other options to use Gambling platforms.

Why are you too worried about such a situation? that's not unfair because maybe the procedure or whatever and there are many other crypto gambling sites that still support all walks of life and countries, VPN is not the main way to solve it because I'm sure it will make you uncomfortable playing, how vague the VPN is it will always be tracked, and like making viruses on all computers and following it with anti-virus itself, so don't expect to use VPN will always be safe, keep calm and find what makes you comfortable on other gambling sites.

Well, with that logic casinos arent' fair in anyway because even if they block for example usa, you can easily purchase VPN and gamble as you wish. Btw I agree you at some point, when country blocks casinos overally, you should respect their rules but you can't judge whether casino is fair or not by that way, it depends on service they provide, how trustworthy game is and etc.

Great points sir and Thatis one of the question why US player are prohibited to play online casino gambling taht is unfair for them because they want also to enjoy.

Mostly regulations if I remember correctly, though you are correct that American gamblers can always use VPNs like Tunnelbear, NordVPN or ExpressVPN to name a few to access restricted sites. A number of people I know use VPNs to gamble in the US and even to trade on platforms like Bitmex, though if you do choose to go this route it's a good idea to have your VPN set to cut off traffic when the connection to the VPN server is lost so your cover isn't blown.

If you do choose to circumvent the rules, though, keep in mind there is a good chance you will not get your money back if you are caught and whatever site you're using takes your coins.

Afaik you can still be caught when you use a vpn and the worst thing that happen to you is that your account might get block and you will lost your funds automatically  . using a vpn for restricted sites is only good for sites that arent money related or does not need any sign ups , like for example video sites or porn sites     .  i think there will still be a casino/gambling sites out there that allows usa based citizens  . you just need to use a search engine for that   .

I don't think we could call that being unfair. That's cheating.
It's for the legal issues Online Gambling site asks citizens from some countries not to join. If they do anyway, they'd be on their own risk.
Crypto based gambling site doesn't force normal users to reveal their identity. And if we consider, a large amount of gamble could be coming from US gamblers. And you can always ask them to provide their identity in case of large wins, and you know what happens then.

No I dont think that all Bitcoin casinos are unfair since most dont allow US players.
It is very easy these days to use a VPN to get around security features of the casino.
Just make sure that if you win so much that you are prepared for KYC documentation.

When casinos asking for the identity when they won huge amount and refuse to pay if they are US citizen then it is also cheating right? If they don't want them to play they can block registrations from US or  can stop them while depositing bitcoin but doing it only when they have to pay money is totally unfair.

Most casinos don't allow US players because they are not the main target for them and because also the law does not permit it.

Most Us people that I know of when I was working there for a few months did not care for crypto casinos and only a few of them were gamblers.Also many gamblers there prefer Las Vegas compared to anything there.

There is definitely a big doubts about the fairness of bitcoin casinos and gambling sites. A lot of them are not fair in their dealings. These days, it is quite normal using VPN, many US players have been using it.

Just like not telling players about the required KYC after winning big?or another thing is those rules applied after we played?
But thats the way gambling is because let’s accept the reality that in most places this is prohibited and we need to go with the flow if we still wanna play,after all we can just forget about gambling so we can prevent from this issues right?

they are cheating if they dont indicate that they will not allow u.s players  but if they state in on thier terms and condition but the gamblers was too lazy for forgot to read it then he accidentally won big and now he is being ask for a kyc then its steer clear that it was the fault of a gambler .  kyc isnt bad and its normal if a site ask a kyc because that is a rule when it comes to dealing a huge amount of cash .

I think gambling owners have the right to know who won big with their jackpot so that they could make a list of it. I don't know why they really have to do it but i have a feeling that they just have to do it to make a record of that player in the future in case AML wants proof of their players who recently won the jackpots.

Yes, using VPN will allow you to play inside the house, just make sure not being caught or avoid to use large amount of money as the site can
hold your bankroll after realizing that you are using VPN they can freeze everything be careful.

The US law could be why some gambling sites do not accept people from USA?  It is a bit like how ICO restricts certain countries from buying tokens  which could be due to the laws of the countries as well.

Usually honest websites won't hold your money, even when you play when using a VPN.
They'll delete you account, but will also allow you to get your money back.

Using a VPN isn't against the TOS either.

Yes the law of a country is very diverse and of course they will be disappointed when they want to play but then just found out about the regulation when they are at the casino itself. We cannot argue or say if the casino is unfair about the regulation, because they also comply with the regulations that have been applied on their country.

definitely need to be changed because everyone is equal in this world so the chances of giving the opportunities also same for anyone in this world special in gambling you need to know everything that who are interested in it.

They do really need to comply if they don't like to face up some sanctions or any other possible violations to be sued at them on letting their citizens play into their site. Actually its really hard to completely stop for those people who do using up some VPN just to breached out such law of not letting you play gambling due to countries jurisdiction as a online gambling site owner you would basically be concerned about that
but completely closing your doors on possible players wont really be possible.

Not everything I guess. we are free of course but it doesn't mean that all things could be done because we have responsibility in ourself and in the community. This is why government are putting some.limit in gambling in local casino's for this is a need.

I do not see any problem with the local rulings and regulations because it is created with purpose and thatbis for the good of all in the community.

However, there are still options that one can make and that is by joining an online casino betting platform. Guess what I am having lot of fun lately betting in an online casino.

You know these casinos are out there for making money and not for giving money. Of course, they are unfair because they exploit you in a millions possible ways. There is exploitation in every part of the gambling if you watch carefully but most gamblers do miss that due to the excitements, they do get while gambling.

KYC is one of the known way on which those unfair gambling houses try to exploit you on your withdrawal request. KYC is something you have to deal with which is just bad because if the gamblers were willing to expose their identity, why would they choose the Bitcoin gambling then ? So, the casinos are never your friends and always have their eyes on your wallet.

The Laws of the countries comes first. We cannot bypass any law.  You are right few Gambling sites do not allow players from certain countries and that is perfectly fine. Since the gambling casino sites are private, it is their decision of whom they want to allow and whom they do not want to allow on their site.

everyone needs to follow in to complete we cannot restrict them because if anyone had interest we do not stop them that is the bad things so I think it definitely need to be changed very soon.

it seems like that if something was wrong with this there will be unfair so we cannot accept this like this if everyone had the interest it needed to be allowed by their interest this is the fair game and it can gambling is needed to be changed in like this