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I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.

I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.

The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a U.S. government network used for classified documents and communications. Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with her duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks. Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to her. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.

During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning’s transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information. During an exchange, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, that’s all I really have got left.” To which Assange replied, “curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”

Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

If he is an intelligence asset, it is not one friendly to the United States, or its allies in the West. I would find it fairly unlikely he is an intelligence asset though. His releasing the DNC emails arguably helped Trump get elected (at least marginally), and Clinton would have been far friendlier to US enemies. I generally do not believe he is an intelligence asset.

IIRC, Clinton had talked about possibly assassinate Assange, but I believe this may have been prior to him moving into the Ecuador Embassy.    

IMO trump should pardon him. He is likely to face politically motivated charges in the US related to the 2016 election.

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A new president was elected, and he did not want his government to have to deal with Assange.

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Snowden tweeted the arrest was in relation to a US warrant and extradition request from 2017 in relation to work with Bradley Manning.  

Assange will have an extradition hearing in the UK, it isn't for sure he will even get to the US.

The unsealed indictment has a single count in it.  The government alleges Assange was an active participant in stealing classified material from the US government (with Manning in 2010).  A possible superseding indictment is always possible.  

According to US law there is a criminal difference between a publisher who releases material obtained passively vs a publisher who releases material they broke the law to obtain.  IOW Assange is not being charged for releasing the classified material but for his or his organizations active involvement in stealing classified information from the US government (which is a crime).

Sounds like a tough case to prosecute, but who knows we have so little of the facts and evidence at this point it might be a slam dunk with some new info we didn't know.

He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

Even though I'd want Trump to go ahead and pardon Assange, I highly doubt that he's going to be able to pardon him without a good amount of fighting from the left and right on the topic of national intelligence.

Though I do think that WikiLeaks is going to get a large number of donations from this, and there's going to be a movement in some circles to have him pardoned. I'd put the odds on 80-20 on him being pardoned.

He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXSefWYsyE

This subject is one I am not sure where I stand on. If he is a genuine leaker with no ulterior motives then I am not for this, but there are reasons to suspect he is really a CIA or other intelligence agency asset based on his past arrest and work history. There are many reasons to suspect he may have ulterior motives that would serve the "deep state" narrative. What do you think?

Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.

What's surprising is how long it took. I wonder what other underlying motives there are at play here, if any.

LOL citizenship of a person doesn't exclude them from breaking US law.  "Hacking" the United States of America "servers/infrastructure" is a crime in the US even if you weren't born there, never been there, can't point to it on a map or anything else...

I worded that poorly, meant more along the lines of me not understanding why he's being arrested if his only part in this is distributing the material. Though if he did play a role in actually hacking the USA, then he should go to jail for it -- even if he did expose the horrible things people did, we don't want to make heroes out of those that hack governments. Eh?

Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

He is very controversial man.There is very good movie about his story and Wiki Leaks beginning.He has difficult   personality.I am reading that he has  inspire Manning to hack USA army servers.I am asking where was  NSA agency developed for USA cyber security
I am against his extradition to USA .He is not EL Chapo .I have been reading that extradition
to Sweden is very much possible because he is suspected for sexual abuse in Sweden

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.

I'm also against an extradition of him and of (unrelated i know) kim dotcom to the USA where they have never resided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXSefWYsyE

This subject is one I am not sure where I stand on. If he is a genuine leaker with no ulterior motives then I am not for this, but there are reasons to suspect he is really a CIA or other intelligence agency asset based on his past arrest and work history. There are many reasons to suspect he may have ulterior motives that would serve the "deep state" narrative. What do you think?

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.

Are you sure it wasn't being left alone with Twitter for 7 years that caused this behavior?

Anonymous Message To The Captors Of Julian Assange

Greetings citizens of the world, We Are Anonymous.
This is a message for the UK government and their cohorts around the world who are working to silence whistleblowers.

As many of you know, UK authorities have arrested Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange on behalf of the US government. This is a move that has been expected for some time and Assange himself has even warned us about his impending arrest. This arrest and the greater persecution of Wikileaks and other whistleblowers sends a clear message that these governments will stop at nothing to maintain their secrecy.

Assange is an enemy of the state because he has exposed the crimes of both the left and the right. Assange was forced into exile after he exposed war crimes on behalf of the Bush administration with the “collateral damage” video that was leaked to his organization by Chelsea Manning. The video showed graphic evidence of war crimes committed by the US military overseas, but at the time many conservatives believed that he put US lives in danger. Years later, Assange found himself in the crosshairs of the liberals, after his organization leaked explosive evidence of corruption about Hillary Clinton just before the 2016 election.

After exposing Hillary Clinton, Assange was labeled as a Russian asset, although there is no evidence to support these claims. By all accounts, Assange is a true journalist who speaks truth to power and exposes corruption whether it is on the left or the right. The modern age has so few actual journalists that we no longer have any idea what a real journalist looks like. Instead, we have talking heads on the news who report unsubstantiated sound bytes that are crafted to sell a specific narrative.

Many powerful forces from all over the world have worked to make this possible. Influential people representing the governments of the UK, the United States, and Ecuador have all signed off on this unprecedented attack on journalism. These interests have acted against the people without fear because they believe that their positions of power will grant them protection from the karmic consequences of reality.

By these actions, they are bringing the free world closer to a widespread revolution, and that is honestly what may be needed to stop these constant advances on our freedom. This should be a peaceful revolution that is waged across many battlefields, including cyberspace, the domain of An0nymous.

Every single powerful person who has signed off on this order should be shaking in their boots, because the force of the internet is about to be unleashed upon them. All the way from the CIA, the President of the United States, and down to the arresting officers that carried Assange out of the embassy, you have all exposed yourselves as enemies of the people and it is time for An0nymous to act accordingly.

Another battlefield that the free people of the world need to dominate is the streets. Street protests are sometimes seen as a wasted effort, but the current revolution brewing in France and other parts of the developed world show us that the governments can bend to the will of the people.

For weeks, Assange and Wikileaks have been putting out warnings that the arrest was imminent, and the people of the UK had every opportunity to form a human chain around that building to prevent the authorities from making the arrest. However, it is still not too late to take similar action. If protests that rival the scale and intensity of the recent demonstrations in France were to sweep across the UK in response to the arrest of Assange, it could help to protect him, and possibly change the outcome of his case.

Assange has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize every single year since 2010 when his case began to gather international media attention, and he is well loved by the people of the world, especially those who have the sense to see through the propaganda that justifies the foreign policy of the US government and their allies.

Unfortunately, the establishment does not feel the same, so this is a warning for the establishment: Let Assange free or you will pay!

The time has come for us to unite, the time has come for us to stand up and fight!

We are Anonymous!

We are Legion!

We do not forgive!

We do not forget!

Expect us!

I'm not even sure if that really happened but having to stay in a small space for 7 years straight could make the strongest man go insane

The former president of Ecuador said he thought this was actually a smear and untrue.   

The present user of Bitcointalk said he thought this was actually legit and true.

It's time to choose your side Quickseller.
Who do you trust more?

The former president is in a position to know the credibility of this type of claim. He may not have personality witnessed the conditions of the room he was living in, however he did hand pick the employees working in the embassy and he presumably trusted them.

I have no idea what the basis of your knowledge would be. AFAIK, there isn’t any reason you would have knowledge of if this is real or not.

[conspirologically laughs in Ecuadorian]


Edit:
if you want to get deeper into Assange subject, your probably need this thread:
https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1116468833869602817

I am not sure why they wouldn’t have published the information themselves as I cannot imagine a situation in which someone would have access to those chat logs but not the underlying documents.

I am also not sure why their “source” would go to a publication with such low and infrequent circulation.


Assuming the story is true, you don’t know if there were doubts about the information about Russia.

edit: it looks like, according to the story, the information was already public years prior to when it was sent to Wikileaks. The story says the "source" was trying to provide double the amount of information that was already public, but you don't know if the additional information is news worthy, or of public interest

IMO trump should pardon him. He is likely to face politically motivated charges in the US related to the 2016 election.

Assange will have an extradition hearing in the UK, it isn't for sure he will even get to the US.

Trump should do a lot of things but he'd never do this. I believe he said he'd never pardon him -- or maybe that was Chelsea Manning. Can he even pardon non-us citizens?

The extradition process will likely be long and drawn out, but unless someone significant steps in with serious political power they'll probably ship him off to the US eventually. The UK is too pally-pally with the US for them not to. Maybe Assange will get bail and go walk about, though (but I doubt it).

It looks like they even released the email addresses of their donors https://file.wikileaks.org/file/wikileaks-leaks-donors.txt

Edit: they may have Clinton’s emails lol. https://file.wikileaks.org/file/clinton-emails/
Edit2: it looks like this may not actually be new, and may be from early 2016 - https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

I looked through some files published on file.wikileaks.org and it looks like most of the files are mundane, nothing stands out as being potential bombshells, and a lot is really old, decades old. Also according to a tweet (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1117123131804737541) from Wikileaks, nothing on file.wikileaks.org is new.

He said multiple times that if he was assassinated that he would release documents that would cripple the world, he has been arrested not assassinated and I fail to see anything new on wikileaks. I think spending life in prison, is close enough to being assassinated,,, but I guess not in his eyes. Unless he has a super cool implanted technology that releases the documents when his heart beat stops or somethingl like that

Its called a dead man's switch. It is well known in the cloak and dagger world of spooks and spies. It is not a James Bond type device (usually). Usually the way people who carry such sensitive data that might get them killed protect themselves is they either hand it to several sources with instructions to release on their death or vanishing and or they have some type of encryption that auto-releases upon him not triggering it to stay encrypted which must be done every X days months years etc.

Its called a dead man's switch. It is well known in the cloak and dagger world of spooks and spies. It is not a James Bond type device (usually). Usually the way people who carry such sensitive data that might get them killed protect themselves is they either hand it to several sources with instructions to release on their death or vanishing and or they have some type of encryption that auto-releases upon him not triggering it to stay encrypted which must be done every X days months years etc.

Wasn't he being denied internet use at the end of his stay, since he was accused of stealing Wi-Fi? I think it's sad to see he was just bluffing.

Also the fake news says he won't be extratidated to the US because he could face the death penalty here. Don't see any mention of that here

A 14 count superseding indictment was released yesterday that goes FAR beyond the single count of "hacking" the US.

These new counts ARE for publishing the classified material claiming it as spying, NOT the act of hacking the US.

The US DOJ is running WAY overboard and is pissing in the wind of more than a century of precedent, a publisher has NEVER been charged for publishing classified material before, until yesterday.

Ironically this is likely the best thing that could have happened to Assange's case (for Assange anyways), with the legal argument being SOOOO weak on this new indictment it increases significantly his chances of avoiding extradition by the UK.

This is a full fledged assault by the US DOJ on their 1st amendments rights, they truly will make the free press the enemy of the State if this bullshit goes anywhere!

it's someone you do not perceive as an enemy.

I am a lizard man and the pedo overlord alien Clinton demands you stop exposing the truth about us.