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This subject is one I am not sure where I stand on. If he is a genuine leaker with no ulterior motives then I am not for this, but there are reasons to suspect he is really a CIA or other intelligence agency asset based on his past arrest and work history. There are many reasons to suspect he may have ulterior motives that would serve the "deep state" narrative. What do you think?

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https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1116293387601285121

I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.

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If he is an intelligence asset, it is not one friendly to the United States, or its allies in the West. I would find it fairly unlikely he is an intelligence asset though. His releasing the DNC emails arguably helped Trump get elected (at least marginally), and Clinton would have been far friendlier to US enemies. I generally do not believe he is an intelligence asset.

IIRC, Clinton had talked about possibly assassinate Assange, but I believe this may have been prior to him moving into the Ecuador Embassy.    

IMO trump should pardon him. He is likely to face politically motivated charges in the US related to the 2016 election.


I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.
A new president was elected, and he did not want his government to have to deal with Assange.


Snowden tweeted the arrest was in relation to a US warrant and extradition request from 2017 in relation to work with Bradley Manning. 

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April 11, 2019, 01:04:26 PM
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That was the end of the free speech, now the politician have noting to fear anymore.
Wondering when the dead man switch will be triggered, hope it's not anytime soon.
He was a victim since his childhood being involved in the Project Monarch and MK Ultra, I think that's why he dedicated his life to expose all those criminal politician..  7 years in the Embassy was like a prison already...
And then comes this pedo Podesta.

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April 11, 2019, 01:22:26 PM
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I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.
From what I can gather:

Early this year, Lenin Moreno (Ecuador's president) was linked to using offshore companies for illicit purposes. A few weeks later, the INA Papers, a series of documents detailing Moreno and other people -allegedly- committing serious crimes, were released. Shit goes down, with rumours of impeachment. Days later, @Wikileaks tweest about the INA papers. Ecuadorian National Assembly now blames Wikileaks and Assange for the INA papers resulting in the termination of Assagne asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy giving the UK authorities the chance to arrest him.
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Assange will have an extradition hearing in the UK, it isn't for sure he will even get to the US.

The unsealed indictment has a single count in it.  The government alleges Assange was an active participant in stealing classified material from the US government (with Manning in 2010).  A possible superseding indictment is always possible.  

According to US law there is a criminal difference between a publisher who releases material obtained passively vs a publisher who releases material they broke the law to obtain.  IOW Assange is not being charged for releasing the classified material but for his or his organizations active involvement in stealing classified information from the US government (which is a crime).

Sounds like a tough case to prosecute, but who knows we have so little of the facts and evidence at this point it might be a slam dunk with some new info we didn't know.

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BTW here are the charges :

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The indictment alleges that in March 2010, Assange engaged in a conspiracy with Chelsea Manning, a former intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army, to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Department of Defense computers connected to the Secret Internet Protocol Network (SIPRNet), a U.S. government network used for classified documents and communications. Manning, who had access to the computers in connection with her duties as an intelligence analyst, was using the computers to download classified records to transmit to WikiLeaks. Cracking the password would have allowed Manning to log on to the computers under a username that did not belong to her. Such a deceptive measure would have made it more difficult for investigators to determine the source of the illegal disclosures.

During the conspiracy, Manning and Assange engaged in real-time discussions regarding Manning’s transmission of classified records to Assange. The discussions also reflect Assange actively encouraging Manning to provide more information. During an exchange, Manning told Assange that “after this upload, that’s all I really have got left.” To which Assange replied, “curious eyes never run dry in my experience.”

Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
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They got his dead man's switch first, then they got him.



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If he is an intelligence asset, it is not one friendly to the United States, or its allies in the West. I would find it fairly unlikely he is an intelligence asset though. His releasing the DNC emails arguably helped Trump get elected (at least marginally), and Clinton would have been far friendlier to US enemies. I generally do not believe he is an intelligence asset.

IIRC, Clinton had talked about possibly assassinate Assange, but I believe this may have been prior to him moving into the Ecuador Embassy.    

IMO trump should pardon him. He is likely to face politically motivated charges in the US related to the 2016 election.


I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.
A new president was elected, and he did not want his government to have to deal with Assange.


Snowden tweeted the arrest was in relation to a US warrant and extradition request from 2017 in relation to work with Bradley Manning.  

Even though I'd want Trump to go ahead and pardon Assange, I highly doubt that he's going to be able to pardon him without a good amount of fighting from the left and right on the topic of national intelligence.

Though I do think that WikiLeaks is going to get a large number of donations from this, and there's going to be a movement in some circles to have him pardoned. I'd put the odds on 80-20 on him being pardoned.

He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.


Assange will have an extradition hearing in the UK, it isn't for sure he will even get to the US.

The unsealed indictment has a single count in it.  The government alleges Assange was an active participant in stealing classified material from the US government (with Manning in 2010).  A possible superseding indictment is always possible.  

According to US law there is a criminal difference between a publisher who releases material obtained passively vs a publisher who releases material they broke the law to obtain.  IOW Assange is not being charged for releasing the classified material but for his or his organizations active involvement in stealing classified information from the US government (which is a crime).

Sounds like a tough case to prosecute, but who knows we have so little of the facts and evidence at this point it might be a slam dunk with some new info we didn't know.

Hm, does anyone know how an extradition hearing even works? What're the criteria for a country to ship someone off?

Though with the information about the crime he's being charged with -- I guess that could stick, we'll see.
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He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

LOL citizenship of a person doesn't exclude them from breaking US law.  "Hacking" the United States of America "servers/infrastructure" is a crime in the US even if you weren't born there, never been there, can't point to it on a map or anything else...


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If he is an intelligence asset, it is not one friendly to the United States, or its allies in the West. I would find it fairly unlikely he is an intelligence asset though. His releasing the DNC emails arguably helped Trump get elected (at least marginally), and Clinton would have been far friendlier to US enemies. I generally do not believe he is an intelligence asset.

IIRC, Clinton had talked about possibly assassinate Assange, but I believe this may have been prior to him moving into the Ecuador Embassy.   

IMO trump should pardon him. He is likely to face politically motivated charges in the US related to the 2016 election.


I don't know why after this years of giving him asylum, the Ecuadorian government finally gave in to the demands of the West and it's politically motivated.
A new president was elected, and he did not want his government to have to deal with Assange.


Snowden tweeted the arrest was in relation to a US warrant and extradition request from 2017 in relation to work with Bradley Manning. 

Even though I'd want Trump to go ahead and pardon Assange, I highly doubt that he's going to be able to pardon him without a good amount of fighting from the left and right on the topic of national intelligence.

Though I do think that WikiLeaks is going to get a large number of donations from this, and there's going to be a movement in some circles to have him pardoned. I'd put the odds on 80-20 on him being pardoned.

He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

I think he should be pardoned immediately, but it might be more likely he will be pardoned after Trump either looses his 2020 re-election or after the election in 2024. He also might pardon him after the 2020 election that he wins.

The US government imposes its jurisdiction over everyone in the world everywhere in the world. However the majority of the time it will not enforce its laws for crimes done outside of the US that didn’t affect anyone in the US.

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i dont care about assange
I think he is the open society marxist who wants to destroy all governments
that doesnt mean i think governments are good
but i do think assange is an anarchist
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXSefWYsyE

This subject is one I am not sure where I stand on. If he is a genuine leaker with no ulterior motives then I am not for this, but there are reasons to suspect he is really a CIA or other intelligence agency asset based on his past arrest and work history. There are many reasons to suspect he may have ulterior motives that would serve the "deep state" narrative. What do you think?

If he is extradited to the USA, he might stand trial, and lose, and be placed in protective imprisonment, if he is a CIA operative. We might never find out what the truth is.

One important point is, in the USA or Britain, if he goes to court there, he can stand on common law. If he does this, they will have to bring forth a harmed person and prove that he was the one who did the harm.

Does anybody know if he knows how to do this?

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Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.

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Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.

What's surprising is how long it took. I wonder what other underlying motives there are at play here, if any.

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Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.

What's surprising is how long it took. I wonder what other underlying motives there are at play here, if any.

The only thing I am sure of after monitoring Wikileaks from day 1 is this whole narrative is packed full of ulterior motives. It is hard to even say which way us up at this point.

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He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

LOL citizenship of a person doesn't exclude them from breaking US law.  "Hacking" the United States of America "servers/infrastructure" is a crime in the US even if you weren't born there, never been there, can't point to it on a map or anything else...



I worded that poorly, meant more along the lines of me not understanding why he's being arrested if his only part in this is distributing the material. Though if he did play a role in actually hacking the USA, then he should go to jail for it -- even if he did expose the horrible things people did, we don't want to make heroes out of those that hack governments. Eh?
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He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

LOL citizenship of a person doesn't exclude them from breaking US law.  "Hacking" the United States of America "servers/infrastructure" is a crime in the US even if you weren't born there, never been there, can't point to it on a map or anything else...



I worded that poorly, meant more along the lines of me not understanding why he's being arrested if his only part in this is distributing the material. Though if he did play a role in actually hacking the USA, then he should go to jail for it -- even if he did expose the horrible things people did, we don't want to make heroes out of those that hack governments. Eh?

I think this is at the center of the conflict here, at least apparently according to the information in the public domain. Even if Trump wants to pardon him, he is kind of in a catch 22 because regardless of how responsibly he may have done it, not prosecuting him would send a very bad message and lead to our intelligence networks leaking like a sieve. I agree if he was acting purely in a journalist capacity then he should not be prosecuted, but it seems there may be other happenings leading to this event that we may not be privy to. This is a very complicated situation regardless of how straight forward people may seem to think it is.

EDIT: More information has come to light https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190411/06134041977/julian-assange-arrested-behalf-us-trying-to-help-manning-crack-cia-password.shtml

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He is very controversial man.There is very good movie about his story and Wiki Leaks beginning.He has difficult   personality.I am reading that he has  inspire Manning to hack USA army servers.I am asking where was  NSA agency developed for USA cyber security
I am against his extradition to USA .He is not EL Chapo .I have been reading that extradition
to Sweden is very much possible because he is suspected for sexual abuse in Sweden


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April 12, 2019, 01:12:54 PM
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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.
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