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Title: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: Bind on April 15, 2019, 04:15:08 AM I was randomly going through some of the posts and found out that a user randomly posts same post. I don't know how far is it acceptable by this forum but i am damn sure if it was any lower rank account, it would have been permanently banned.
Username: yogg Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140827 Post 1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5040120.msg48292294#msg48292294 Post 2: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108823.msg49816502#msg49816502 If you check "Post 1" you will see that this user yogg made a mistake and posted again with correction. (change*) But in "Post 2" this user didn't care about the spelling mistake and simply copy pasted the post. Now, i can see it was against account buy/sell which is really appreciated by the forum but what he did can simply be defined as COPY-PASTE which isn't entertained by the forum. According to the forum rules, any post copied should result in perm ban. Excited to read responses! Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: hacker1001101001 on April 15, 2019, 04:21:09 AM He has basically copied his own post so it does not count as plagiarizing.
This would not get him banned too. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: nc50lc on April 15, 2019, 04:24:36 AM It's self-plagiarism and in general, there should be a note that he mentioned it before but in that particular case, it's not necessary.
The context is too common for a notification. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: Foxpup on April 15, 2019, 04:25:37 AM Plagiarism is the copying of someone else's work and passing it off as your own, in violation of the original author's copyright. You're allowed to copy your own work, since you're not harming anyone else. Why would you even think there was anything wrong with that? ::)
Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: Quickseller on April 15, 2019, 04:26:53 AM It is weird that he didn’t just edit his post. I am curious if he can edit his post, or if he just didn’t think to do so.
Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: DarkStar_ on April 15, 2019, 04:30:08 AM It is weird that he didn’t just edit his post. I am curious if he can edit his post, or if he just didn’t think to do so. Auctions section. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: Quickseller on April 15, 2019, 04:33:50 AM It is weird that he didn’t just edit his post. I am curious if he can edit his post, or if he just didn’t think to do so. Auctions section.There are a lot of forum accounts for sale in auctions that aren’t actually auctions. Anyway this is very far from plagiarism. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: r1s2g3 on April 15, 2019, 04:55:28 AM I do not think this will come under self plagiarism.
Quote Self Plagiarism https://www.bowdoin.edu/dean-of-students/judicial-board/academic-honesty-and-plagiarism/common-types-of-plagiarism.htmlSelf-plagiarism occurs when a student submits his or her own previous work, or mixes parts of previous works, without permission from all professors involved. For example, it would be unacceptable to incorporate part of a term paper you wrote in high school into a paper assigned in a college course. Self-plagiarism also applies to submitting the same piece of work for assignments in different classes without previous permission from both professors. First: Yogg quoted himself. Second: Do you think. Yogg need anybody permission to repost his own edited post? if it was unedited repost,then it can be reported for multiposting but not for plagiarism. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: LoyceV on April 15, 2019, 06:03:20 AM if it was unedited repost,then it can be reported for multiposting but not for plagiarism. He could have quoted his first post, but I don't really see anything wrong with this. Both threads deserve the warning.If you want to report the posts, you can probably say both posts are off-topic. There's another (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5118188.msg50066089#msg50066089) guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121921.msg50215053#msg50215053) who (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125778.msg50360033#msg50360033) posts the same thing many times (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129553.msg50518495#msg50518495) :P As long as it's not spam, I wouldn't worry about it :) Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: r1s2g3 on April 15, 2019, 06:51:19 AM There's another (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5118188.msg50066089#msg50066089) guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121921.msg50215053#msg50215053) who (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125778.msg50360033#msg50360033) posts the same thing many times (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129553.msg50518495#msg50518495) :P As long as it's not spam, I wouldn't worry about it :) Very nice example :) I am waiting for someone who is going to report that guy and in the end what happen with that report + reporter. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: LoyceV on April 15, 2019, 06:57:08 AM I am waiting for someone who is going to report that guy and in the end what happen with that report + reporter. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theymos:Quote 1 replies deleted by moderators Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: lobcmt2 on April 15, 2019, 07:10:45 AM The kind of posting approach is somehow violates the rule #12 of the forum.
Quote 12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated). Nevertheless, I saw so many newbies or low rank users spread out their advertisements around bunches of topics with the same contents. I have not seen perma ban appeals from them (maybe I missed their ban appeals), but I have a feeling that the sort of violation does not result in perma bans. If posters get bans due to violate the rule #12, maybe they will only get temp bans, not perma bans.Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on April 15, 2019, 07:12:54 AM Gee, how strange. You receive negative feedback from Yogg and now you're trying to dig up dirt. Next time just report a post (if you feel like it breaks the forum rules) instead of making these poluting threads.
Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: r1s2g3 on April 15, 2019, 08:10:51 AM I am waiting for someone who is going to report that guy and in the end what happen with that report + reporter. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theymos:Quote 1 replies deleted by moderators Theymos was not the admin/moderator of this forum from day1. I have read in some earlier post that trio of Satoshi, Sirius and Gavin used to administrate/moderate the forum. Most probably that post was deleted by any one of them. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: LoyceV on April 15, 2019, 08:20:11 AM Theymos was not the admin/moderator of this forum from day1. BPIP doesn't exist that long either ;)Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: Quickseller on April 15, 2019, 08:23:46 AM I am waiting for someone who is going to report that guy and in the end what happen with that report + reporter. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theymos:Quote 1 replies deleted by moderators Theymos was not the admin/moderator of this forum from day1. I have read in some earlier post that trio of Satoshi, Sirius and Gavin used to administrate/moderate the forum. Most probably that post was deleted by any one of them. If you see any additional posts by theymos that break the rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0), I would suggest you press the "report to moderator" button, and indicate the person writing the post already has one strike against them, and that the person deserves both a ban and the maximum negative trust possible :D Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: stompix on April 15, 2019, 01:04:30 PM Gee, how strange. You receive negative feedback from Yogg and now you're trying to dig up dirt. Next time just report a post (if you feel like it breaks the forum rules) instead of making these poluting threads. The moment I saw his example I went directly to his trust score, and as expected, he had a negative trust from yogg. And it is possible that he did report it, but probably he was unsuccessful. Quote Excited to read responses! Unfortunately for you, you wasted your blue pills for nothing, there won't be any reply here that you're going to like. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: TheBeardedBaby on April 15, 2019, 01:45:03 PM Maybe sounds strange, but theymos_away have a whole topic removed :
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theymos_away Anyway it's not something strange. When theymos posted the HoweyCoins ICO I opened a thread that his account might have been compromised (didn't click any of the links as everything was quite suspicious and I didn't knew that it was a prank). Then he wrote with his alt account that it's just a joke and I moved the thread into archive. Some time later i found that the thread is gone together with the posts, so sometimes even admins posts get trashed, it shouldn't be surprising if he gets some posts deleted. The other admin also have some posts deleted by the mods : https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cyrus :D Back to the topic. My full support to Yogg. Every time i report someone I write the same sentence, so that makes me also a self-plagiarist. Advice to @yogg, next time just quote your earlier message you refer to, it's the same and no more shit will come your way. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: lobcmt2 on April 15, 2019, 01:52:36 PM Theymos was not the admin/moderator of this forum from day1. I have read in some earlier post that trio of Satoshi, Sirius and Gavin used to administrate/moderate the forum. Most probably that post was deleted by any one of them. I have what you mentioned. In reality, theymos took over the form from Sirius, sometime between 2012 and 2013.It's surprising how well-documented history can become totally forgotten... Satoshi created the forum on Nov 22, 2009, and was head administrator until almost 2011. Then Sirius was head administrator until 2012, which is when I took over. Cobra also owns the bitcointalk.org domain name. I consider the forum to be basically owned by or at least dedicated to the Bitcoin community, though; I don't call anyone an owner of the forum. That wiki article is kind of terrible... Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: TMAN on April 15, 2019, 02:13:40 PM Nice one OP, I’ve tagged you as well now, Yogg is decent and you ain’t son
Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: The Cryptovator on April 15, 2019, 02:13:50 PM First we should know what is plagiarism;
Quote plagiarism /ˈpleɪdʒərɪz(ə)m/ Learn to pronounce noun the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. "there were accusations of plagiarism" So first thing is user yogg had not copy pasted someone else's post that's why it wouldn't subject to ban in my opinions. And you have mentioned only two post. Not sure how many same reply he had made. Copy paste own reply isn't wise but I don't think he deserve ban just for 2 post. If make multiple same post then it will be consider spam and post will removed. Previously I have report same who have made multiple post like more that TEN, some of them nuked and some of them just remove post only. Perhaps its depend on rank. However, I don't think yogg deserve ban for that. Did you opened this thread because you have tagged by him? Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: lobcmt2 on April 15, 2019, 02:53:06 PM Coolcryptovator posted a definition of plagiarism, but why not sticking with theymos' opinion on this?
Here is a theymos' opinion on plagiarism. Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.) If you treat posting as a job, a chore, then you must live in fear, since the forum is not made for you. In this case, you need to blend in as someone who actually cares, but plagiarism will immediately out you, and producing a mountain of useless posts will also eventually be noticed, if more slowly. If you do actually care, then this will be obvious in your posts (and probably your merit score), and you will have nothing to fear from moderators; even allegations of plagiarism will be doubted when seen in the context of your other posts. Quote in extreme cases could be copyright theft? Plagiarism is almost always a copyright violation which could conceivably get the poster in a lot of trouble, but it's not a bigger legal issue for the forum than anything else. (Using the forum to violate copyright is never allowed, though.) Quote when copying and pasting from the net can it lower google rankings? and internal copy and past could do the same thing? That's not a particular concern of mine. Quote even memes may soon constitute copyright theft Only in the EUSSR. Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: Harlot on April 15, 2019, 04:20:34 PM Excited to read responses! I guessed that your excitement ran out when no one has sided with your accusation/argument. Obviously the only reason why you have posted this is you wanted yogg to be permabanned in the forum which you have not got. If you only know the basic grounds for plagiarism are you wouldn't look stupid just by posting this now.Title: Re: Isn't this copy-paste? [plagiarism] [user=yogg] Post by: akamit on April 15, 2019, 07:21:29 PM I don't know how far is it acceptable by this forum but i am damn sure if it was any lower rank account, it would have been permanently banned. Forum rules are for everyone, no matter what is your rank or your rep. What you thought, a member with 6 years of forum age don't know the rules? It is those lower ranks don't follow the rules. |