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Economy => Reputation => Topic started by: shasan on May 04, 2019, 05:07:52 PM



Title: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 04, 2019, 05:07:52 PM
I have just seen this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139388
When I saw the negative trust I thought it was for loan default when I went details I saw the different reason. But 1 thing kept my attention. I saw the DT who gave negative trust also a negative trusted person.
The DT: IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288)
The negative trust given by: dogie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87869)
Reference for the negative trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824
Negative trust received at: 2016-05-25
DT made by: lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152)

If any DT1 make anyone's DT2 then why s/he cant give counter feedback if the person is legit. And if DT1 not sure the person is legit or not then how s/he can make that person DT2?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 04, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
Reserve:
IconFirm has been removed from DT2. More info will update here if got anything. Still waiting for my answer.
Received Negative trust from IconFirm for this thread.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: DireWolfM14 on May 04, 2019, 05:23:20 PM
IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) is trusted by DT2 memeber tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641), who is trusted by DT1 member lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152).

I've noticed the DT1 members (three of them) who've voted for lovesmayfamilis have a lot of votes from members with negative trust.  A lot of their DT votes are a result of the Anti Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.msg49494423#msg49494423) movement.  


MaoChao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=410541):

MaoChao is Trusted by:
1. LeChatNoir (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=86386) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=86386) 10: -0 / +1) (1 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/86386.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/86386.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LeChatNoir))
2. defcon23 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98372) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=98372) -240: -8 / +16) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/98372.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=defcon23))
3. suchmoon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771) 68: -0 / +11) (DT1! (44) 2040 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/234771.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/234771.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=suchmoon))
4. bamb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=339386) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=339386) -4: -2 / +0) (1 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/339386.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/339386.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bamb))
5. WhiteManWhite (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=485285) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=485285) neutral) (DT1! (1) 62 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/485285.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/485285.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WhiteManWhite))
6. FutureBitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=592311) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=592311) neutral) (8 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/592311.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/592311.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=FutureBitcoin))
7. kzv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662400) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=662400) neutral) (181 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/662400.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/662400.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kzv))
8. TheFuzzStone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=679341) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=679341) 14: -0 / +3) (DT1! (1) 332 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/679341.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/679341.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheFuzzStone))
9. Rabble-rouser (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=764699) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=764699) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/764699.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Rabble-rouser))
10. endlasuresh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=906005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=906005) -8: -3 / +0) (3 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/906005.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/906005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=endlasuresh))
11. imhoneer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986781) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986781) neutral) (209 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/986781.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/986781.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=imhoneer))
12. mak013 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1063882) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1063882) neutral) (34 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1063882.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1063882.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mak013))
13. 3meek (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1193837) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1193837) neutral) (96 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1193837.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1193837.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=3meek))
14. chimk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1202061) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1202061) neutral) (DT1! (7) 382 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1202061.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1202061.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk))
15. Bazinga442 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1246188) -256: -8 / +0) (24 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1246188.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1246188.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bazinga442))
16. tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1311641) 5: -0 / +3) (440 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1311641.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1311641.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tvplus006))
17. witcher_sense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1433865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1433865) 3: -0 / +2) (185 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1433865.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1433865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=witcher_sense))
18. Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1762404) 4: -0 / +3) (DT1! (13) 706 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1762404.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1762404.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alex_Sr))
19. Kriptopsina (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1787337) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1787337) neutral) (125 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1787337.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1787337.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Kriptopsina))
20. taikuri13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855828) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1855828) 4: -0 / +1) (DT1! (8) 576 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1855828.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1855828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=taikuri13))
21. madnessteat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1894120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1894120) neutral) (246 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1894120.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1894120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=madnessteat))
22. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152) 6: -0 / +4) (DT1! (1) 451 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lovesmayfamilis))
23. MO-COIN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2101883) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2101883) neutral) (48 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2101883.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2101883.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MO-COIN))
24. Suvnikki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2142027) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2142027) neutral) (14 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2142027.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2142027.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Suvnikki))
25. DIKUL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2148411) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2148411) neutral) (87 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2148411.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2148411.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DIKUL))
26. DabLjat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2197723) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2197723) neutral) (40 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2197723.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2197723.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DabLjat))
27. twiki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2460637) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2460637) neutral) (3 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2460637.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2460637.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=twiki))
28. H8bussesNbicycles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2472107) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2472107) -4096: -12 / +0) (8 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2472107.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2472107.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=H8bussesNbicycles))
29. ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2535994) -8: -3 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2535994.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ito-marketing))
30. gwsukabokepjepang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2536607) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2536607) -2048: -11 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2536607.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=gwsukabokepjepang))



WhiteManWhite (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=485285):

WhiteManWhite is Trusted by:
1. TECSHARE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15728) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=15728) 272: -0 / +28) (DT1 (-4) 272 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/15728.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/15728.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TECSHARE))
2. bamb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=339386) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=339386) -4: -2 / +0) (1 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/339386.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/339386.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bamb))
3. MaoChao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=410541) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=410541) 16: -0 / +4) (DT1! (5) 102 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/410541.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/410541.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MaoChao))
4. my luck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=567446) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=567446) neutral) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/567446.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/567446.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=my luck))
5. TheFuzzStone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=679341) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=679341) 14: -0 / +3) (DT1! (1) 332 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/679341.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/679341.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheFuzzStone))
6. endlasuresh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=906005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=906005) -8: -3 / +0) (3 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/906005.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/906005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=endlasuresh))
7. be.open (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986242) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986242) neutral) (110 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/986242.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/986242.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=be.open))
8. Sancho18 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1018592) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1018592) neutral) (30 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1018592.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1018592.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Sancho18))
9. Goran_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1039323) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1039323) neutral) (497 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1039323.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1039323.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Goran_))
10. 3meek (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1193837) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1193837) neutral) (96 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1193837.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1193837.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=3meek))
11. Bazinga442 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1246188) -256: -8 / +0) (24 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1246188.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1246188.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bazinga442))
12. tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1311641) 5: -0 / +3) (440 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1311641.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1311641.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tvplus006))
13. witcher_sense (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1433865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1433865) 3: -0 / +2) (185 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1433865.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1433865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=witcher_sense))
14. chickinini (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1575704) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1575704) -8: -3 / +0) (11 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1575704.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1575704.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chickinini))
15. cryptorgasm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1575750) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1575750) -8: -3 / +0) (4 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1575750.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1575750.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptorgasm))
16. Pablojob (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586457) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586457) -16: -4 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586457.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1586457.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Pablojob))
17. PiningGarcia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586551) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586551) -16: -4 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586551.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1586551.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=PiningGarcia))
18. PingGermoco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586585) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586585) -16: -4 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586585.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1586585.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=PingGermoco))
19. cryptopov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1609508) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1609508) -8: -3 / +0) (4 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1609508.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1609508.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptopov))
20. poypototoy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1658865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1658865) -8: -3 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1658865.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1658865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=poypototoy))
21. Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1762404) 4: -0 / +3) (DT1! (13) 706 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1762404.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1762404.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alex_Sr))
22. Zin-Zang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1777865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1777865) -256: -8 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1777865.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1777865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Zin-Zang))
23. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152) 6: -0 / +4) (DT1! (1) 451 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lovesmayfamilis))
24. DIKUL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2148411) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2148411) neutral) (87 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2148411.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2148411.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DIKUL))
25. DabLjat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2197723) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2197723) neutral) (40 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2197723.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2197723.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DabLjat))
26. Rooivalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2245383) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2245383) neutral) (145 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2245383.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2245383.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Rooivalk))
27. twiki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2460637) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2460637) neutral) (3 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2460637.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2460637.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=twiki))
28. H8bussesNbicycles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2472107) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2472107) -4096: -12 / +0) (8 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2472107.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2472107.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=H8bussesNbicycles))
29. ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2535994) -8: -3 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2535994.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ito-marketing))
30. gwsukabokepjepang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2536607) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2536607) -2048: -11 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2536607.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=gwsukabokepjepang))



TheFuzzStone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=679341)

TheFuzzStone is Trusted by:
1. cryptohunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92110) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=92110) -7: -3 / +1) (130 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/92110.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/92110.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptohunter))
2. Melnik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98639) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=98639) 4: -0 / +1) (21 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/98639.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/98639.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Melnik))
3. dvd-rw (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=305366) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=305366) neutral) (5 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/305366.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/305366.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=dvd-rw))
4. Kepasa (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=310031) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=310031) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/310031.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Kepasa))
5. bamb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=339386) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=339386) -4: -2 / +0) (1 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/339386.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/339386.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bamb))
6. klarki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=407174) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=407174) neutral) (110 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/407174.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/407174.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=klarki))
7. MaoChao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=410541) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=410541) 16: -0 / +4) (DT1! (5) 102 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/410541.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/410541.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MaoChao))
8. WhiteManWhite (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=485285) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=485285) neutral) (DT1! (1) 62 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/485285.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/485285.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WhiteManWhite))
9. SPQRCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=551559) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=551559) neutral) (27 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/551559.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/551559.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=SPQRCoin))
10. my luck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=567446) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=567446) neutral) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/567446.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/567446.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=my luck))
11. FutureBitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=592311) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=592311) neutral) (8 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/592311.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/592311.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=FutureBitcoin))
12. johhnyUA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=623643) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=623643) neutral) (188 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/623643.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/623643.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=johhnyUA))
13. kzv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662400) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=662400) neutral) (181 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/662400.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/662400.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kzv))
14. zauna35 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=771836) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=771836) neutral) (37 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/771836.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/771836.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=zauna35))
15. ManagerVirta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=868760) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=868760) neutral) (38 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/868760.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/868760.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ManagerVirta))
16. endlasuresh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=906005) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=906005) -8: -3 / +0) (3 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/906005.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/906005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=endlasuresh))
17. EvRo74 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=980168) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=980168) neutral) (9 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/980168.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/980168.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=EvRo74))
18. 4FF (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982534) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=982534) neutral) (2 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/982534.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/982534.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=4FF))
19. cctothemass (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=984587) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=984587) neutral) (31 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/984587.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/984587.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cctothemass))
20. be.open (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986242) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986242) neutral) (110 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/986242.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/986242.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=be.open))
21. imhoneer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=986781) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986781) neutral) (209 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/986781.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/986781.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=imhoneer))
22. Sancho18 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1018592) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1018592) neutral) (30 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1018592.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1018592.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Sancho18))
23. Goran_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1039323) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1039323) neutral) (497 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1039323.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1039323.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Goran_))
24. ByteFree (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1046227) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1046227) neutral) (16 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1046227.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1046227.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ByteFree))
25. Spotika4 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1062160) Banned! (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1062160) neutral) (58 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1062160.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1062160.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Spotika4))
26. mak013 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1063882) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1063882) neutral) (34 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1063882.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1063882.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mak013))
27. Zuzma (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1090299) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1090299) neutral) (33 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1090299.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1090299.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Zuzma))
28. 3meek (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1193837) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1193837) neutral) (96 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1193837.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1193837.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=3meek))
29. chimk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1202061) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1202061) neutral) (DT1! (7) 382 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1202061.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1202061.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk))
30. Bazinga442 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1246188) -256: -8 / +0) (24 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1246188.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1246188.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bazinga442))
31. biom33 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1276723) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1276723) neutral) (17 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1276723.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1276723.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=biom33))
32. tvplus006 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1311641) 5: -0 / +3) (440 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1311641.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1311641.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tvplus006))
33. Ak_sakal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1480135) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1480135) neutral) (14 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1480135.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1480135.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Ak_sakal))
34. Polkeins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1511943) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1511943) neutral) (193 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1511943.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1511943.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Polkeins))
35. chickinini (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1575704) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1575704) -8: -3 / +0) (11 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1575704.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1575704.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chickinini))
36. cryptorgasm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1575750) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1575750) -8: -3 / +0) (4 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1575750.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1575750.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptorgasm))
37. Pablojob (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586457) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586457) -16: -4 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586457.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1586457.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Pablojob))
38. PiningGarcia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586551) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586551) -16: -4 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586551.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1586551.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=PiningGarcia))
39. PingGermoco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1586585) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1586585) -16: -4 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1586585.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1586585.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=PingGermoco))
40. cryptopov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1609508) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1609508) -8: -3 / +0) (4 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1609508.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1609508.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptopov))
41. poypototoy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1658865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1658865) -8: -3 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1658865.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1658865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=poypototoy))
42. Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1762404) 4: -0 / +3) (DT1! (13) 706 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1762404.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1762404.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alex_Sr))
43. Zin-Zang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1777865) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1777865) -256: -8 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1777865.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1777865.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Zin-Zang))
44. Kriptopsina (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1787337) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1787337) neutral) (125 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1787337.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1787337.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Kriptopsina))
45. taikuri13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855828) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1855828) 4: -0 / +1) (DT1! (8) 576 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1855828.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1855828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=taikuri13))
46. madnessteat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1894120) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1894120) neutral) (246 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1894120.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1894120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=madnessteat))
47. Cryptoshka (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1951496) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1951496) neutral) (100 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1951496.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1951496.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Cryptoshka))
48. lovesmayfamilis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1982152) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1982152) 6: -0 / +4) (DT1! (1) 451 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/1982152.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1982152.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lovesmayfamilis))
49. AlphaOM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1987985) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1987985) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/1987985.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=AlphaOM))
50. ultofresto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2008285) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2008285) -2: -1 / +0) (10 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2008285.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2008285.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ultofresto))
51. MO-COIN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2101883) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2101883) neutral) (48 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2101883.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2101883.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MO-COIN))
52. VyachikO (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2123089) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2123089) neutral) (36 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2123089.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2123089.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=VyachikO))
53. DIKUL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2148411) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2148411) neutral) (87 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2148411.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2148411.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DIKUL))
54. DabLjat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2197723) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2197723) neutral) (40 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2197723.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2197723.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DabLjat))
55. Rooivalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2245383) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2245383) neutral) (145 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2245383.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2245383.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Rooivalk))
56. twiki (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2460637) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2460637) neutral) (3 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2460637.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2460637.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=twiki))
57. H8bussesNbicycles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2472107) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2472107) -4096: -12 / +0) (8 Merit earned (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/2472107.html)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2472107.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=H8bussesNbicycles))
58. G.Butryk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2524613) Banned! (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2524613) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2524613.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=G.Butryk))
59. CryptoBro_108 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2524733) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2524733) neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2524733.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=CryptoBro_108))
60. ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2535994) -8: -3 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2535994.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ito-marketing))
61. gwsukabokepjepang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2536607) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2536607) -2048: -11 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-05-04_Sat_08.23h/2536607.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=gwsukabokepjepang))


Source: http://loyce.club/trust/


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: tmfp on May 04, 2019, 05:47:34 PM

The DT: IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288)


What trust depth are you using?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 04, 2019, 05:50:39 PM

The DT: IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288)


What trust depth are you using?
I am using Depth 2. You are also seeing the truth. In the meantime there is two change:
1. Lafu excluded.
2. lovesmayfamilis removed from DT.
That's why now you can't see him/her on DT list.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: 2girls on May 04, 2019, 07:10:46 PM

The DT: IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288)


What trust depth are you using?
I am using Depth 2. You are also seeing the truth. In the meantime there is two change:
1. Lafu excluded.
2. lovesmayfamilis removed from DT.
That's why now you can't see him/her on DT list.

Removal of  lovesmayfamilis is sad because with that a lot of hopes of Anti Lauda  movement (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.200) died away  :-X


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: LoyceV on May 04, 2019, 07:39:03 PM
1. Lafu excluded.
2. lovesmayfamilis removed from DT.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview shows they're both on DT1:
Lafu: 16
lovesmayfamilis: 1

I've noticed the DT1 members (three of them) who've voted for lovesmayfamilis have a lot of votes from members with negative trust.
I'm quoting myself into this topic:
The users with red trust don't have a deciding vote, and many of them have been blacklisted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5128907.msg50491004#msg50491004).

I don't plan to highlight the blacklisted users from my Trust list viewer, but starting next week I'll leave out their votes from the Rank up pipeline. My list might be incomplete though, there is no official public blacklist.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 05, 2019, 02:21:30 AM
1. Lafu excluded.
2. lovesmayfamilis removed from DT.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview shows they're both on DT1:
Lafu: 16
lovesmayfamilis: 1
I mean Lafu excluded IconFirm on Lafu's trust list.
And lovesmayfamilis removed IconFirm from lovesmayfamilis trust list. Hopefully, think now it is clear.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 06:19:32 PM
**sigh**

So, tagging scam promoters on the forum is now a witchhunting offence is it?

I really can't be bothered getting into a monkeypoo fight over this, so I'l just copy/paste my reply to the original post:

Hello. Sorry for the lateness of my reply - I don't live on this forum & my online time is limited.

For the record, I have & always will tag scams & accounts that promote them, weather the accounts are spamming or not & weather they are noobs or legendary, as do all forum members who care about this forum & crypto in general. The main reason this is done is so that I can see that the account is not trustworthy, weather other members of the forum can see it or not is not my concern, but for those that can see it - I hope it helps them avoid being scammed.

If tagging scams & those that promote them is trust abuse then 95% of forum users are trust abusers. To repeat, I did not tag you for spamming, I tagged you for promoting a scam.

I get tagged myself a lot for tagging scammers & scam promoters, I even get accused of being 20, 30 or 40 other people because of it - but that's fine - it comes with the territory of course, but you won't see me starting threads all over the forum complaining about it & I certainly wouldn't think of getting ugly with anyone over it. Like I said, I have a life outside of this forum.

That being said, you are not the first person to contact me about the Yobit scam feedback. A few other forum members contacted me via PM after they had removed the Yobit sig asking if I would now remove the feedback & a couple of them actually apologised for promoting the Yobit scam.  Some have also thanked me.  Of course, once they were no longer promoting the Yobit scammers I readily & happily removed the feedback.

Then there are others who swear, scream, shout & go into meltdown because their beloved profile that means so much to them had somehow been eternally scarred for life. I say that if their profile meant so much to them, they probably shouldn't have used it to promote a scam exchange then.

Tl,Dr

Let's have a little etiquette please. It's never too late to repair your beloved profile, especially now that you're no longer promoting scams with it (thanks theymos!).

I am trying to find "spamming" part in feedbacks you have received, but I just don't see it.

Maybe to update topic with new details such as: "I am tagged because I advertised shady exchange"

Exactly - thank you marlboroza. You can expect to be accused of being me too now....lol


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 05, 2019, 06:22:58 PM
So, tagging scam promoters on the forum is now a witchhunting offence is it?
This post is not regarding whom and why you gave negative trust. This post is for how a negatively trusted person can be a Default Trusted person. Who has been tagged by another DT and the person who has made you DT not gave counter feedback? If s/he cant give counter feedback then why s/he can include you in DT?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 06:33:46 PM
What does it matter?
It's the trust system.
Are you bored or something?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 05, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
What does it matter?
It's the trust system.
Are you bored or something?
There was something power misused/mistake that's why now you are not on DT if they were right and I am wrong then more people add you on DT. But now check your DT score last time I saw -2. Hopefully, think you got your answer.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: DireWolfM14 on May 05, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
So, tagging scam promoters on the forum is now a witchhunting offence is it?

You're entitled to tag whomever you want, and others are entitled to remove you from their trust network.  That's how the system works.  

Theymos recommended against tagging the participants of that campaign for spamming, and to this point the assertions that the exchange in question is a scam have yet to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  So it's not surprising that many will find your reviews of the participants frivolous.

BTW; I tend to agree that the exchange in question is very likely a scam, but again I have not seen enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.  To tag someone based on my suspicion would be out of line.  


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on May 05, 2019, 07:00:11 PM
Well this escalated very quickly  :o
https://i.imgur.com/smnN52q.png
Really ICOFirm IconFirm?
Is this the reason to tag someone?
Because they "seem upset" or they disagreed with you on something?
Well even if they seemed upset, I don't think a red tag is really necessary here otherwise this negative trust thing would lose meaning real quick if people started tagging other people they disagree with.

You don't just dish out negs every time you feel emotional otherwise what you are trying to fight for will no longer look credible to the members.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: LoyceV on May 05, 2019, 07:03:35 PM
You don't just dish out negs every time you feel emotional otherwise what you are trying to fight for will no longer look credible to the members.
I'm just leaving this here:
Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
 - Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
 - De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.
This is wat neutral feedback is meant for. And I mean that both ways :P

LoyceClubArchive https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=841288 > Archived: http://loyce.club/archive/trust_841288_2019-05-05_Sun_21.06h.html


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 05, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
Well this escalated very quickly  :o
https://i.imgur.com/smnN52q.png
Really ICOFirm?
Is this the reason to tag someone?
Because they "seem upset" or they disagreed with you on something?
Well even if they seemed upset, I don't think a red tag is really necessary here otherwise this negative trust thing would lose meaning real quick if people started tagging other people they disagree with.

You don't just dish out negs every time you feel emotional otherwise what you are trying to fight for will no longer look credible to the members.
You will have to laugh if you see the reference and then match with the comment. On reference, I told about his/her DT power and on comment s/he told about the trust s/he has given to others.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 05, 2019, 07:28:30 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

According to the investigation both username (same person) are guilty for Ban evasion (I am not sure if this is red tag worthy so I give benefit of the doubt) and also tagging people to satisfy their own personal issue.

You don't just dish out negs every time you feel emotional otherwise what you are trying to fight for will no longer look credible to the members.
I'm just leaving this here:
Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
 - Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
 - De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.
This is wat neutral feedback is meant for. And I mean that both ways :P
The bold and green font color;
I wonder how many of us really is following this instruction from theymos? If we would then we may not see all these negativity surrounding the Trust Feedback and we would not see people are losing interest on the forum.

I hope we do understand the instructions from theymos and execute the right one where it's needed.



Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Lauda on May 05, 2019, 07:36:40 PM
Why is this random lovesmayfamilis in DT? DT is starting to look more like a joke with every new rotation.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: suchmoon on May 05, 2019, 07:43:40 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

I'd be extra careful with dogie's "investigations". I mean neutral is probably fine but the whole dogie/patman thing reeks of massive ego clash and both sides are using the trust system to settle personal scores. I have excluded dogie years ago for that nonsense but unfortunately he somehow made it back to DT.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 07:53:57 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

According to the investigation both username (same person) are guilty for Ban evasion (I am not sure if this is red tag worthy so I give benefit of the doubt) and also tagging people to satisfy their own personal issue.


I'd forgotten all about that thread, it's hilarious! Thanks for reminding me. Did you also forget that you first left me negative feedback before changing it?

I guess I had a sex change since that thread was started 4 years then? My daughter will be very upset when she finds out......


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 08:00:39 PM
I'd be extra careful with dogie's "investigations". I mean neutral is probably fine but the whole dogie/patman thing reeks of massive ego clash and both sides are using the trust system to settle personal scores. I have excluded dogie years ago for that nonsense but unfortunately he somehow made it back to DT.

Exactly, him & QS - the trusty dynamic duo:

https://i.postimg.cc/FRgMvX97/LULZ.png (https://postimg.cc/DJ0jQD4T)

I really don't care though TBH, there will always be people who believe everything they read.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 05, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

According to the investigation both username (same person) are guilty for Ban evasion (I am not sure if this is red tag worthy so I give benefit of the doubt) and also tagging people to satisfy their own personal issue.


I'd forgotten all about that thread, it's hilarious! Thanks for reminding me.

I guess I had a sex change since that thread was started 4 years then? My daughter will be very upset when she finds out......
Did you give me negative trust without checking that link? I have posted that link on the topic starter. You have no power to read and write you can just give a fake review.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 05, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

I'd be extra careful with dogie's "investigations". I mean neutral is probably fine but the whole dogie/patman thing reeks of massive ego clash and both sides are using the trust system to settle personal scores. I have excluded dogie years ago for that nonsense but unfortunately he somehow made it back to DT.

I left them neutral feedback which will serve as my view about them. It's not gonna reflect in their trust rating so they are safe.

@IconFirm

https://i.ibb.co/f0ZMk2C/50913766.png
Quote
User has tagged me on the assumption that I am someone else. I have never traded, talked or even know who this user is. Trust abuser & untrustworthy.

1. Are you sure about it (The bold part)?
2. Have you double checked all the feedback I left for the users?

Also, you need to learn when to leave red trust, when to leave neutral and when to leave positive trust. You have not done your homework yet.



Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 05, 2019, 08:34:39 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

I'd be extra careful with dogie's "investigations". I mean neutral is probably fine but the whole dogie/patman thing reeks of massive ego clash and both sides are using the trust system to settle personal scores. I have excluded dogie years ago for that nonsense but unfortunately he somehow made it back to DT.

I left them neutral feedback which will serve as my view about them. It's not gonna reflect in their trust rating so they are safe.

@IconFirm

https://i.imgur.com/5KaDpPc.png
Quote
User has tagged me on the assumption that I am someone else. I have never traded, talked or even know who this user is. Trust abuser & untrustworthy.

1. Are you sure about it (The bold part)?
2. Have you double checked all the feedback I left for the users?

Also, you need to learn when to leave red trust, when to leave neutral and when to leave positive trust. You have not done your homework yet.

IconFirm does not read and/or do not want to read s/he just wants to leave negative if you write anything which may go against IconFirm. 100% trust abuser thanks God s/he has been removed from DT for creating this thread.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
I left Neutral feedback for this user (IconFirm) and also for blurryeyed based on this investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

I'd be extra careful with dogie's "investigations". I mean neutral is probably fine but the whole dogie/patman thing reeks of massive ego clash and both sides are using the trust system to settle personal scores. I have excluded dogie years ago for that nonsense but unfortunately he somehow made it back to DT.

I left them neutral feedback which will serve as my view about them. It's not gonna reflect in their trust rating so they are safe.

@IconFirm

https://i.imgur.com/5KaDpPc.png
Quote
User has tagged me on the assumption that I am someone else. I have never traded, talked or even know who this user is. Trust abuser & untrustworthy.

1. Are you sure about it (The bold part)?
2. Have you double checked all the feedback I left for the users?

Also, you need to learn when to leave red trust, when to leave neutral and when to leave positive trust. You have not done your homework yet.


1. Yes. You changed it from negative to neutral.
2. No. I'm not interested.

The fact that you based your feedback on such a stupid allegation that has absolutely nothing to do with me is reason enough to be tagged. However, as you have changed your stupid feedback to neutral, I shall do the same.

Homework indeed.....lol


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: marlboroza on May 05, 2019, 08:52:06 PM
Quote
Ban evasion also tagging people to satisfy his personal issue. Can not be trusted in DT network.

See reference and this: https://i.imgur.com/zVEU1DJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/zVEU1DJ.png

Interesting underlined sentiment in that picture, that exchange has the same name as this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0  :)


Is DT moving towards tagging users who are tagging scam promoters instead tagging scam promoters?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: suchmoon on May 05, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
Is DT moving towards tagging users who are tagging scam promoters instead tagging scam promoters?

I think the real growth industry is tagging users with similar IPs. 4 billion possibilities there.

Completely unrelated: if there are any scammers reading this - please don't use PIA Vancouver exit node. TYVM.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
Hi marlboroza, nice to see you here.

Didn't you know that everyone who hates Yobit scammers is actually me? All those 100's of accounts who got scammed - they're all me!!....LULZ

Yobit was the very first time I left negative feedback for anyone on this forum, nearly 3 years ago now when they scammed me, as can be seen in my profile. I've been warning people about them ever since. Only 6 days after I left that feedback for Yobit I got that stupid tag from that dogie person & have been dealing with it ever since - it's really getting quite boring now.

It's crazy that forum users who try to stop the scams get hounded & tagged by supposedly "trusted" members here. How does that work? LOL


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on May 05, 2019, 09:31:22 PM
From what observed:
- 2double0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153776) made a complaint (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139388.0) of how his account has been unfairly negatively tagged perhaps for carrying a yobit signature in the past of which he was no longer carrying given that the campaign had been banned from the forum

- Some people noticed that ICOfirm's IconFirm's tag was cause but then the weird thing was that he was on DT, so Shasan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883627) opens up a thread questioning how legit is it that Negative trusted user is on DT
(Not gonna talk about the negative tag from doggie because i wasn't in the forum)

- This caused events that led to ICOFirm's IconFirm's removal from DT
- ICOFirms IconFirm sends Sashan a negative feedback probably because he got pissed due of the outcomes
- Sashan Obviously sends back feedback to ICOFirm IconFirm about how he acted.

Honestly, I never expected such a thing to happen at all. In fact i had even told 2double0 to send a PM to ICOFirm IconFirm to reconsider the feedback, and he says he had already PMed ICOFirm IconFirm

These clashes really do no good to the forum. We are all humans, we do get pissed sometimes off, and we are all prone to errors. Forgiving each other and starting over would be great since no one involved in the drama has scammed anyone(I think).


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 05, 2019, 09:58:49 PM
From what observed:
- 2double0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153776) made a complaint (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139388.0) of how his account has been unfairly negatively tagged perhaps for carrying a yobit signature in the past of which he was no longer carrying given that the campaign had been banned from the forum

- Some people noticed that ICOfirm's tag was cause but then the weird thing was that he was on DT, so Shasan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1883627) open up a thread questioning How legit is it that Negative trusted user is on DT! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139390.0)
(Not gonna talk about the negative tag from doggie because i wasn't in the forum)

- This caused events that led to ICOFirms' removal from DT
- ICOFirms sends Sashan a neagtive feedback probably because he got pissed because of the outcomes
- Sashan Obviously sends back feedback to ICOFirm about how he acted.

Honestly, I never expected such a thing to happen at all. In fact i had even told 2double0 to send a PM to ICOFirm to reconsider the feedback, and he says he had already PMed ICOFirm.

This clashed really do no good to the forum.

I just checked my PM's & I have indeed got one from @2double0 - it's a "Hello to all whom I'm sending this message" type PM so I presume the user has copy/pasted the same PM to everyone else who tagged the account. Hardly a personal message. It states that the account was never used for spamming so shouldn't be tagged - but I didn't tag it for spamming, I tagged it for promoting a scam exchange. I believe promoting scams is a taggable, as do the majority of forum users. If @2double0 wants to send me a real personal message then maybe we can change the feedback as the account is now not promoting a scam, albeit not by @2double0's choice (thanks to theymos). Other forum members who contacted me politely after they removed the Yobit sig have had their feedback changed accordingly, as can be seen on my profile also.

I wasn't aware that I was on DT & I don't care about it TBH. It makes no difference because I will continue to tag scams & scam promotors as I have always done because I believe it is the right thing to do.

This mess is what happens when tagged scam promotors create stupid threads to moan about their profile being tagged, how upset they are about it, how unfair they think it is & what an asshat the tagger is for doing so - they forget that they are selling their profile for cash to promote a scam that will cause many people a lot of harm & distress.

It's IconFirm, not ICOFirm btw - never done an ICO & never will....lol


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on May 05, 2019, 10:18:31 PM
It's IconFirm, not ICOFirm btw - never done an ICO & never will....lol
My bad, sorry about unknowingly altering your username. Eyes can easily be deceived sometimes. ICOFirm doesn't even exist in the forum  :D


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: marlboroza on May 05, 2019, 10:58:28 PM
Reposting from another thread:

As long as the feedback sender is not in the DT network, their trust feedback does not have any value....
Wrong. It has value to the person who left it. It serves as a reminder.

The trust system might be borked, but it does have value.
Yes, it has value like masturbation. The untrusted person can give a 1000's negative trust if that might have value then DT will go down by a single minute. Because DT receives maximum negative trust from Untrusted person(non dt).
So if dogie was excluded from DT, you wouldn't see this feedback (or, you would think of it as a "masturbation") and wouldn't start this thread?

Do you think this account should be in DT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44611? If yes, why yes if not why not?

You have 2 choices:

1) TMAN's feedback is correct
2) silverfuture's feedback is correct

Who should be excluded? Who should be tagged based on your opinion as DT member?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: mikeywith on May 05, 2019, 11:07:41 PM
There is a lot of information here,  but the most important is that your feedback and dogie's on IconFirm is inappropriate  , you can't tag someone just because they said something about you, even if they told lies or wrong information, this is a terrible way of using the trust system, you guys turning the trust system into a complete bullshit, pretty soon it will be 100% inaccurate and real scammers will be lost in between all the mess you creating.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: The-One-Above-All on May 05, 2019, 11:12:28 PM
Reposting from another thread:

As long as the feedback sender is not in the DT network, their trust feedback does not have any value....
Wrong. It has value to the person who left it. It serves as a reminder.

The trust system might be borked, but it does have value.
Yes, it has value like masturbation. The untrusted person can give a 1000's negative trust if that might have value then DT will go down by a single minute. Because DT receives maximum negative trust from Untrusted person(non dt).
So if dogie was excluded from DT, you wouldn't see this feedback (or, you would think of it as a "masturbation") and wouldn't start this thread?

Do you think this account should be in DT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44611? If yes, why yes if not why not?

You have 2 choices:

1) TMAN's feedback is correct
2) silverfuture's feedback is correct

Who should be excluded? Who should be tagged based on your opinion as DT member?

Tman should be excluded. Also the risked 99 BTC claim is that correct, because if not...?  Tman thinks you can give out red for presenting observable instances, so he should taste some of that himself.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: marlboroza on May 05, 2019, 11:28:56 PM
There is a lot of information here,  but the most important is that your feedback and dogie's on IconFirm is inappropriate  , you can't tag someone just because they said something about you, even if they told lies or wrong information, this is a terrible way of using the trust system, you guys turning the trust system into a complete bullshit, pretty soon it will be 100% inaccurate and real scammers will be lost in between all the mess you creating.
There is no fucking way that he saw this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139388 which was created on May 04, 2019, 04:41:30 PM, have read it, went to this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824, have read it, checked ALL evidence inside it and wrote this thread on May 04, 2019, 05:07:52 PM, all that in 26 minutes. No way.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: mikeywith on May 05, 2019, 11:46:02 PM

Well even if he was fast enough to do all that in 26 mins, it does not change anything, his feedback is inappropriate and I hope he resolves this issue as soon as possible and stick to tagging scammers because that is what the trust system was made for.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 06, 2019, 12:53:57 AM
Exactly - thank you mikeywith.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: nutildah on May 06, 2019, 03:18:15 AM
Well this escalated very quickly  :o
https://i.imgur.com/smnN52q.png
Really ICOFirm?
Is this the reason to tag someone?
Because they "seem upset" or they disagreed with you on something?
Well even if they seemed upset, I don't think a red tag is really necessary here otherwise this negative trust thing would lose meaning real quick if people started tagging other people they disagree with.

You don't just dish out negs every time you feel emotional otherwise what you are trying to fight for will no longer look credible to the members.
You will have to laugh if you see the reference and then match with the comment. On reference, I told about his/her DT power and on comment s/he told about the trust s/he has given to others.

@shasan and @iconfirm, would you both consider removing your negative feedbacks about each other? You both have something to offer the forum and it would be a shame if one or the other was dissuaded from continuing their activities based on receiving a red trust.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 06, 2019, 03:36:32 AM
So if dogie was excluded from DT, you wouldn't see this feedback (or, you would think of it as a "masturbation") and wouldn't start this thread?
If dogie was excluded from DT, then I would not start this thread. My main concern if you make me DT and I got negative feedback from another DT who gave me unfairly then why you will not give counter feedback. If you cant give me counter feedback means you have made me DT for unfair means.

1) TMAN's feedback is correct
2) silverfuture's feedback is correct

Who should be excluded? Who should be tagged based on your opinion as DT member?
As I have seen silverfuture gave negative feedback without any scam or scam attempt by TMAN. Ognasty made silverfuture a DT and Ognasty already gave feedback to silverfuture so it is not matching with the question of this thread. It is same as I am thinking.
For Tman: Tman gave feedback for the answer of silverfuture's feedback. As there is no comment/reply option I don't think it is unfair.
Above all, I think silverfuture done mistake by giving negative feedback of TMAN. Tag should be removed if you ask me to remove anyone then I would vote to remove silverfuture.
@shasan and @iconfirm, would you both consider removing your negative feedbacks about each other? You both have something to offer the forum and it would be a shame if one or the other was dissuaded from continuing their activities based on receiving a red trust.
I had no intention to give negative trust but I gave it is a replied of the feedback by iconfirm. Anyway, I am removing that as a courtesy.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: hacker1001101001 on May 06, 2019, 04:12:46 AM
Why is this random lovesmayfamilis in DT? DT is starting to look more like a joke with every new rotation.

I think he deserves to be in DT1. He has been exposing much of scam ICOs and helping people to avoid such scams.

I mean he is doing this work pretty effectively and quick if you see and thats the type of person most of the community would like to be seen in the DT.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: nutildah on May 06, 2019, 04:49:56 AM
I had no intention to give negative trust but I gave it is a replied of the feedback by iconfirm. Anyway, I am removing that as a courtesy.

Thanks, I appreciate it and I'm pretty sure IconFirm does too.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Steamtyme on May 06, 2019, 05:10:48 AM
I had no intention to give negative trust but I gave it is a replied of the feedback by iconfirm. Anyway, I am removing that as a courtesy.

Leaving that feedback caused me to review and exclude you for now, had I not done so I would have after this statement. I've been reviewing and adjusting my custom list without "default trust" so that I can see how things go and weigh whether people remain on my list, get removed (but still visible through others on my list), or excluded.

I'm not interested in seeing new instances of people using DT for negative retaliatory or personal feedback (would love to see all old ones hashed out as well). It truly defeats the purpose of this system imo, and the changes that are trying to be achieved. I'm glad to see you came around and removed it, but it shouldn't have gone that far. Handle it through the community using exclusions and reasoning, reach out to them, whoever included them, or just through and appeal to the community in a thread to discuss that issue.

None of my decisions are set in stone for life. I figured I would put this out there now as you'd see it down the road anyways.



Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 06, 2019, 09:06:17 AM
@shasan and @iconfirm, would you both consider removing your negative feedbacks about each other? You both have something to offer the forum and it would be a shame if one or the other was dissuaded from continuing their activities based on receiving a red trust.

I had no intention to give negative trust but I gave it is a replied of the feedback by iconfirm. Anyway, I am removing that as a courtesy.

Was starting this thread to damage my reputation which has resulted in other forum members (Pamoldar) leaving incorrect feedback about false allegations against me also a "courtesy"? I'm honoured. I'm sure you do have something to offer this community, but nosying around other peoples trust ratings & trying to get them removed from various users trust levels is not one of them - concentrate on your own trust levels & contribute something positive instead. You can start by contacting Pamoldar, seeing as his feedback is a direct result of this thread, then I'll return your "courtesy".


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 06, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
Was starting this thread to damage my reputation which has resulted in other forum members (Pamoldar) leaving incorrect feedback about false allegations against me also a "courtesy"? I'm honoured. I'm sure you do have something to offer this community, but nosying around other peoples trust ratings & trying to get them removed from various users trust levels is not one of them - concentrate on your own trust levels & contribute something positive instead. You can start by contacting Pamoldar, seeing as his feedback is a direct result of this thread, then I'll return your "courtesy".
See reference which Pamoldar has been given. It is not my business either Pamoldar will remove or give positive or negative. If any DT did anything unfair than you can post it on reputation board, though I don't think there is anything unfair also based on your behavior the negative trust by me was also accurate but removed that as a courtesy. If you don't Remove that I have still no problem, will create post against the feedback if you again is on DT.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: IconFirm on May 06, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
Then there is no hope for you - back on ignore you go.

Feel free to continue your mastabatory hand blistering one-man witch hunt against forum members who you think should or shouldn't be trusted by others - I'm sure you will make many more friends here.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: mikeywith on May 06, 2019, 05:41:46 PM
Leaving that feedback caused me to review and exclude you for now

I have not excluded anyone from my list yet, but i really thought of it this time, i hate to see a DT member uses the trust system in this terrible manners, however I would like to assume that it was just a mistake which won't be repeated - therefore I personally would give his "judgments" a second chance.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: nutildah on May 07, 2019, 03:16:10 AM
Leaving that feedback caused me to review and exclude you for now

I have not excluded anyone from my list yet, but i really thought of it this time, i hate to see a DT member uses the trust system in this terrible manners, however I would like to assume that it was just a mistake which won't be repeated - therefore I personally would give his "judgments" a second chance.

Unlike IconFirm, shasan deleted the feedback already.

Just because someone doesnt agree with the subject of contents of a thread, thats not a good reason to leave negative feedback. Nor is it good to leave retaliatory feedback.

One member rescinded their feedback, the other didn't.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: mikeywith on May 07, 2019, 03:46:36 AM
Unlike IconFirm, shasan deleted the feedback already.

Shasan is a DT member now, he should be careful with how he uses this "power" and it is our duty to correct him or even remove him from DT if he kept misusing the system, Icofirm is not on DT as for now, so his rating does not matter despite it being inappropriate.

Anyhow both users have not done any thing scammy/worthy of a negative, i hope icofirm would remove his ratings and that they both move on from here.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 07, 2019, 04:03:23 AM
Shasan is a DT member now, he should be careful with how he uses this "power" and it is our duty to correct him or even remove him from DT if he kept misusing the system, Icofirm is not on DT as for now, so his rating does not matter despite it being inappropriate.
When someone gives you negative trust without valid reason then what does that mean you are a scammer? If you are not a scammer then how you will react, you will keep silence? If you keep silence then what will happen, You agreed with the feedback which you received?

When anyone gives false negative trust what does that mean? The person told a lie and the person who told a lie can't be a scammer? In this sense, that person doesn't deserve any feedback?
I follow many DT and all most all the DT do the same thing which I did.
You can see feedbacks from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164822 same type of feedback has been given. If I did wrong then all the DT who gave this type of feedback all did wrong. Isn't it?

Why anyone didn't call for those?


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 07, 2019, 06:08:38 AM
It's IconFirm, not ICOFirm btw - never done an ICO & never will....lol
My bad, sorry about unknowingly altering your username. Eyes can easily be deceived sometimes. ICOFirm doesn't even exist in the forum  :D
The username reminds me of the ICOForum site that once advertised here last year with huge ETH payout for its signature campaign. On a lighter note, even ICOForum doesn't exist anymore. Sad the site couldn't keep its erection on  ::)


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 07, 2019, 06:30:39 AM
It's IconFirm, not ICOFirm btw - never done an ICO & never will....lol
My bad, sorry about unknowingly altering your username. Eyes can easily be deceived sometimes. ICOFirm doesn't even exist in the forum  :D
The username reminds me of the ICOForum site that once advertised here last year with huge ETH payout for its signature campaign. On a lighter note, even ICOForum doesn't exist anymore. Sad the site couldn't keep its erection on  ::)
ICOFirm was a mispell of IconFirm and I think ICOForum is not related to IconFirm. I don't know much as probably I wasn't active here at that time.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: LoyceV on May 07, 2019, 07:11:31 AM
When someone gives you negative trust without valid reason then what does that mean you are a scammer?
No, it means someone just disqualified himself from ever deserving a position on DT. If you don't value someone's sent feedback, you can exclude him from your Trust list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust).
I recently got red trust (https://archive.is/loUrW#selection-871.0-885.9) from someone. I left him neutral trust (https://archive.is/loUrW#selection-5059.0-5079.147) explaining it, and mentioned it in my reputation thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4826180.msg50800003#msg50800003) because I was curious why he left it. I'll never know, because he was banned the same day (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=griffoninvest).

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If you are not a scammer then how you will react, you will keep silence? If you keep silence then what will happen, You agreed with the feedback which you received?
This was actually the reason why I created my reputation thread last year, and there's some discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4826180.0) about it. This was my conclusion at the time:
I kinda want to leave red trust in response, but it doesn't feel right to (ab)use DT-powers to do so. On the other hand, I obviously don't trust someone who leaves me random red trust without any reference link.
So, I'll leave this question for the community: what to do? This question has been answered ("do nothing"), thanks!

And there's this from theymos:
All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.
My personal opinion: using DT-power to retaliate is bad. When you're on DT, you should just be the bigger man. Who cares what someone on the internet says about you :P


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 07, 2019, 07:22:58 AM
My personal opinion: using DT-power to retaliate is bad. When you're on DT, you should just be the bigger man. Who cares what someone on the internet says about you Tongue
Thanks for your opinion. Especially it has drawn me attention
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Who cares what someone on the internet says about you Tongue
which gives me a lot of inspiration. Thanks a lot.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Steamtyme on May 07, 2019, 03:50:36 PM
~snip~
One member rescinded their feedback, the other didn't

I did exclude both of them, just didn't point it out. I get the impression Iconfirm doesn't care about how others see their feedback and that they use it for themselves how they see fit and that's fine. It's up to other members to decide if it suits them to see it or not, which I did.

i hate to see a DT member uses the trust system in this terrible manners, however I would like to assume that it was just a mistake which won't be repeated - therefore I personally would give his "judgments" a second chance.

I hate to see anyone use it in this manner. I think it's especially damaging for DT to do so, as it does label a person for most of the forum to see by default. There is a good chance there judgement does improve but this was a very knee jerk reaction to a minor slight. That's just not what I'm looking for in what I see under profiles. - I do keep untrusted feedback visible as well always.

This doesn't mean I wouldn't reconsider in the future, but for now it was enough, and really has no repercussions to shasan.

When someone gives you negative trust without valid reason then what does that mean you are a scammer? If you are not a scammer then how you will react, you will keep silence? If you keep silence then what will happen, You agreed with the feedback which you received?
No it means they are leaving unmoderated feedback, not that you are a proven scammer. In regards to reaction a neutral feedback about them is appropriate, "silence" in the form of feedback is also acceptable. Just by remaining silent does not mean you agree with the statement, that's extremely loaded and probably explains why you felt the need to retaliate. Some of the best advice I ever got was to just ignore it and move on.
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When anyone gives false negative trust what does that mean? The person told a lie and the person who told a lie can't be a scammer? In this sense, that person doesn't deserve any feedback?

Justifying retaliatory feedback doesn't make things better, that just encourages people to devolve to the lowest common denominator.
I follow many DT and all most all the DT do the same thing which I did. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

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You can see feedbacks from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164822 same type of feedback has been given. If I did wrong then all the DT who gave this type of feedback all did wrong. Isn't it?
Why anyone didn't call for those?

Seeming to become a rarity but I don't go digging for a lot of things. I do a disgusting amount of browsing sometimes and just happen along things. I don't follow DT to keep up with everything, as of this moment I do little more than contribute some votes to people who are on DT1

I happened to read your thread, and your feedback was visible. I disagreed and acted, that's it nothing more. In the future jus try and breathe and move on. I had a similar situation with someone it turns out was fairly established in altcoin mining I believe. Came off night shift and realised I was painted red. I looked at the feedback saw it had no substance, and went to bed. Within hours it was sorted out, they had been removed as a DT, and all I left them a neutral about their feedback habits.

Either way good luck, it's nothing personal.



Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: shasan on May 07, 2019, 04:48:01 PM
Justifying retaliatory feedback doesn't make things better, that just encourages people to devolve to the lowest common denominator.
I follow many DT and all most all the DT do the same thing which I did. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Iconefirm gave negative trust then I gave with a valid point and also removed that once another person told both people to remove negative trust then I did that immediately. So, how much wrong I did cant imagine and for that point you have excluded which is perfect?

Anyone can include/exclude anyone without any reason but as you have pointed a reason that point can't be right. Your point is baseless because you got the point when there was no negative trust by me. If you want to say it is a valid point to exclude me then I want to say if I make a mistake for giving negative trust which was removed before you saw the trust then you did a wrong for excluding base on the negative trust which was vanished before you saw the trust.
So this time 1 mistake and 1 wrong made a right.
Anyway, have a piece of good luck.


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: DireWolfM14 on May 07, 2019, 06:28:27 PM
it's nothing personal.

This should be emblazoned on the top of the trust settings page and the feed back form.

There are a couple of people who's contributions to the forum I find very valuable, and for whom I have respect, but who I've explicitly distrusted (~) from my settings.  It's not personal, it's because I don't value their reviews and their judgment on who's trustworthy and why.  

There are people who I've decided not include in my trust network, even though I value their reviews.  The decision was based on whether I value the people they've included, and why.  It's just a vote being cast, and I want the folks for whom I vote to have a similar approach to the trust network.

It's not personal, it's just the practical nature of the trust system and how it works.  Just because I appreciate you as a forum member doesn't mean I trust your judgement.  


Title: Re: How legit Negative trusted user is on DT!
Post by: Steamtyme on May 08, 2019, 01:45:24 PM
I'm going to assume some of the statements lose a little meaning in translation, but will address your concerns non the less.

Iconefirm gave negative trust then I gave with a valid point and also removed that once another person told both people to remove negative trust then I did that immediately. So, how much wrong I did cant imagine and for that point you have excluded which is perfect?

Anyone can include/exclude anyone without any reason but as you have pointed a reason that point can't be right. Your point is baseless because you got the point when there was no negative trust by me. If you want to say it is a valid point to exclude me then I want to say if I make a mistake for giving negative trust which was removed before you saw the trust then you did a wrong for excluding base on the negative trust which was vanished before you saw the trust.
So this time 1 mistake and 1 wrong made a right.
Anyway, have a piece of good luck.

Yes, you did remove the feedback. That doesn't change the fact that you left it in the first place, the act in itself was what I had a problem with. You have also stated you removed it because someone told you to. From my point of view you need some more experience in leaving feedback, or how to handle receiving feedback. You can label it how you want but I feel I have a valid point and will move forward with that, for the time being. Again this is just for what I want to see in my trust network, and does not affect your trust score in anyway.

How I set up my list is right for me, you can label my actions as wrong and that's your point of view. I don't petition others to follow my reasoning or way of doing things. If someone likes my reasoning they can chose to do the same.

~snip~

That's some sound reasoning right there. Keep it up.