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I have been writing about waves potential for a long time but now it deserves its own speculation thread because I don't want to be hijacking the main thread.

There are several pros and cons with waves and I will list them all here and if you want to know specifics then just quote one bullet point and I will explain more about that and how it should be included in the final valuation of $Waves:

Pros:

1. 1000tx/s or more
2. Dex with btc and fiat gateways
3. Fixed supply (100 million)
4. Mass token transfer & message inclusion
5. Pywaves index site (lots of hidden value here)
6. Implentation of waves specific price tracking site (like cmc but waves tokens only)
7. Smart contract

Cons:

1. Ticker removal for tokens from june 15 (will be counteracted by community token voting soon) *postponed until december*
2. US client restrictions
3. 50% of supply in top 5 wallets
4. under developed dex UI (lots of hidden value extraction here)
5. Lack of fortune 500 onramping (vostok will take this role)
6. No small cap token tabs in dex/no token scroll function on dex such as volume/market cap browsing (needs manual input to find tokens in search field)

With this summary I will now continue to argue for a potential price development of this brand medium and long term and let's begin with a simplistic upper and lower price boundary based on historical development in log scale:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/1h9kcw.jpg

The price is following a pattern similar to the 2017 runup but at x10 multiple like $1.9 instead of $0.19 etc. We are now in an intermediate phase before a parabolic rise to $68 which I estimate will take place before end of August of this year. It seems the upper bound in this parabola is located at $125 which would value Waves at 12,5 billion dollars and this can be justified if certain criteria from the team development roadmap and suggestions are implemented. As such, there is no mystery with Waves price development as the value is already proven but for now remains largely hidden due to lack of mainstream UI development. All of these technically light weight improvements will easily push towards the $125 price and I believe that the movement will be like this:

IF this is bottom as I have argued in main thread, here at $1.9 as we saw a few days ago, then it should quickly impulse towards $4 from here and then basically move unhindered towards ath and $68 within a few months after which it will retrace to $18-22. Once the top is reached at $125 there is a more significant correction back to mid 30's depending on where we are in the greater bear/bull market by this time next year. Good scenario suggests retracement back to $80 level and bad is mid $30's.

On a longer time scale, a few years or more, Waves price potential is similar to Ethereums 2017 runup at $1800-2200 equivalent because these coins share a lot of commonalities in supply and tech. This scenario is largely dependent on global sentiments and the teams ability to remain competitive with smart contract implementation and onramping, but there are many other factors that must be perfected before $2000 can become a reality.

However, $70-125 is in play right now, and that is the reason for this thread, to lend a perspective to those of you that are too short sighted right now and counting pennies. It is time to expand the horizon for what is possible here.

In this intermediate phase I believe that Waves can attain a hybrid status like a small business market place and decentralized messaging platform, most importantly censorproof. This is then similar to ebay and twitter and should be reflected in their respective market caps (if successful) somewhere at $300 equivalent ($30 billion). By success I am referring to user acquisition and this in turn is reliant on UI improvements to attract mainstream users because waves is the most user friendly token issuance platform compared to Counterparty and Ethereum.

Finally, I believe that the marketing & branding function of waves with mass transfer protocol and message inclusion is heavily discounted compared to for example wall street journal cost per mille (CPM) as a small business owner can reach thousands of rich list and highly targeted users on this platform at a fraction (1/100 or less) of the cost of regular cmp of this caliber. This is an undiscovered market discrepancy which is a big factor in the $70-125 push. The reason that this value descrepancy is not accounted for is because this is high tech and marketers and small business owners of the old school are unable to fully understand the concepts at play here. But they will learn soon, there is only a slight delay.

Very well writen. I am whit Waves since ICO and even though i don't know exactly if it can do this move until eoy, for sure Waves got a bright future ahead.

I am sure however in next bull it will move quick and surprise allot of people, I'm not calling it the next ETH but it is a very solid project whit a great team. Great time to invest in Waves now

Do you have any price targets where are going to buy it where are going to sell it? Anybody know why it such a big dump of its price?

Waves always had some good potential but people tend to not use it.

And even other projects price is flying, waves never get that great value. I don't know what they are doing wrong but something is.

1. Ethereum is dominating the attention in the smart contracts space, and both ETH and Stellar permits American users whereas Waves, which is Russian engineered, does not.
2. Short term price decline is because of token ticker removal june 15th, which will be restored with community token voting I believe later this year so hopefully it is temporary, but if BTC goes back to $3000 then I would not be surprised if waves temporarily enters a final wave 5 towards $0.6 before rising significantly.
3. Waves needs a creative director and design staff for dex enhancement, perhaps some people experienced in video game UI design because waves are interested in video game developers to promote the currency use case.
4. Spam tokens with and without smart contracts are having a small negative impact on the platform which is easily counteracted by increaseing issuance fee significantly and implementing grace periods for mass transfers while also permitting direct community voting on the dex instead of a separate website. And of course using waves to vote not WCT. Proper tokens should have a much easier way to dex indexing with color coded tabs based on KYC level, daily volume, rating and so on (it's called gamification).
5. Finally, waves as are all cryptos, is lacking mainstream retail merchant onramping and is subject to regulations that is restricting value building.

Most of the crypto-accepting businesses are in US, Japan and Western Europe. Since Waves is not available for american users, this hurts a lot the size of its acceptance, whether it'll have better advertising or not.
Although Russia has a large population, the percentage of those that have money they afford to lose in order to invest is not great.

I think that the main direction should be towards getting Waves accepted officially in US too. Although the Americans have a reticence against Russian "products", this move could do much more good than advertising in the territories where Waves is already present.

IMHO this is international token with the big corporation structure, from Russia it has only CEO.

Shakeout before breakout if bottom is not already in, few more days. tracking $7-11, then $25, and then basically $70 before major correction back to sub $20.

Vostok scheme failed so now they (censorship permitting entities) have to dig in with $$$. Waves is unfiltered mass communication = not tolerable in totalitarian control society.

Everyone will then be bought out at parabola to $200-2000 and render platform unusable (for normal people who cant print unlimited fiat or are on the inside of those who can) due to too high mass transfer cost. Hopefully there is some voting mechanism based on stake amount to change transfer price if waves goes up alot.

Does anyone know what is the high and low of vostok price token?  In waves wallet right now, it shows current price is 79 cents. 

There was a dump to 0.14 and then it immediately went to 0.8 then back to 0.25 then 0.42 and now it is at 0.33. I believe main stock of 1 billion is now in float. During 0.8 rally there were only 30 million coins from airdrop.

The price now is $0.80 right?  So earlier today it was only $0.33?  How do we find the high low price of vostok?  Its not in coinmarketcap.

it is not dollars it is waves price per coin

Price is $2.42 here

Im confused.  Can someone tell me current price of 1 vostok now?  Earlier, it showed in my waves wallet, that the current price of 1 vostok is 80 cents. 

That's a waves price, vostok (VST) here - https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/vostok


Based on the above link, price now is currently $0.769894, actually I'm not familiar with this coin as I don't touch Waves tokens yet.

$7.6/0.0008

May not enter reversal until $68 so don't sell too quickly at those initial 300% or you'll find yourselves chasing in a parabolic move.

Maybe bottom 0.00015 and top 0.002 with 35k btc = 70 dollar target. a few months.

If wave 5 first, then around $0.5-$0.75 0.00015/4-5k btc. $70 dollars delayed for 12 months or more.

2nd update june 27 $2 waves/0.00017 11,7k btc: Perhaps terminal bottom for waves in dollars (double bottom) and btc equivalent. If BTC recovers in this area or move sideways then I expect a major pump in alts soon. If BTC halves then alts will probably also halve in the medium term. In this range however, looking pretty good.

Both scenarios are still valid:

1. Waves 5 to either tag $0.9 or drop to $0.5 or less, and then move up after one year or more
2. Straight to $7 from here and then basically no reversal until $68

Market is very choppy in Waves right now, so it can be a shake out event before parabolic rally, or it can be a failure to retain price interval in preparation for wave 5, it is yet unknown.

Because the price is already hovering in a range of $1.9, it is hard to confirm these scenarios before it moved +50% or dropped 40%. As is known, this can happen in a few hours, so prediction models are not possible especially on the downside.

My bet is at least 3-4 dollars this year. At the end of 2019 Waves launched the project Waves Lab, designed to develop promising startups, providing them with all kinds of assistance. The company continues to consider applications of promising startups. It is planned to add a blockchain messenger. Developers will integrate their digital assets into the blockchain. Waves will continue to gain. The coin is still undervalued.

I believe that there is a major pump incoming within 2 weeks and that this will be the start of a 3 year bullrun that will end between $68-125 in stage 1 with a correction back to 30 or 10 dollars followed by a blow out to $175-300 before spring next year.

If wave 5 first, towards $0.25-7, then atleast Marquise $Museum will pump 1000% or more instead because market float is only worth a few hundred dollars in that scenario. And $MM is injecting $1000 or more every month in dedicated funds specifically for market making in this coin. Don't buy $MM if you don't know what you're buying into, it's only fully usable in $5000 investments or greater.

Good thread, thanks.

Going to $14 or x10.

Waves is about to end wave 2 in the parabolic move, good entry between 90 cents and this level ($1.25). Wave 3 interval is $12-24 with a fourth wave ending between $7-9 and then straight to $70-125.

Waves is around the $1 mark.  So is this it for waves?  This coin is going to be out of the top 50 soon.  Back then it was like top 20.

It's difficult to explain the situation here, it's not a question of undervaluation, it is more of an overlooked valaution, the market is simply not grasping the elements in play with waves platform due to technical barrier.

Most of the ones who are reading this, will sell well before $125 because they are unable to comprehend how the market can behave like this for so long.

True value of waves right now is over $100 closer to $1000.

It is well to match this space with old world structures and their performance, geopolitical spectrum and general mainstream awareness which is low indeed. People are aware of crypto but do not understand it yet.

As soon as they do, enter $1000.

This is also dependent on team performance and there are question marks surrounding bettertokens and the dex level of decentralization and priorities by devs, regardless of these facts, an overlooked valuation of x50-100 remains.

On a generational time scale, I am analyzing the growth of neo feudal corporate states using immutable blockchain as a dominance tool. On a regional political level, it is evident that 20th century monoliths are assuming very much more discreet methods of operation because they are being supplanted by this foreign entity called crypto.

There is a slow momentum building already, it will impact society soon, and everyone will be in the know when we move into multi trillion global market caps.

It's the secret symbol drawn in the sands outside the gates of Rome.

Okay,lets put up some links about this add up: https://blog.wavesplatform.com/waves-dex-erc-20-update-87f0feec04b6

Waves will definitely consider on putting erc20 yet we know that majority of coins now in the market is using up smart contract platform
where these coins/projects do have some significant volume.

good news, waves dex is a great platform, unfortunately the decentralized exchanges are not so popular yet.

waves was also added to kraken this week
https://www.publish0x.com/crypto-argha/kraken-adds-bat-and-waves-their-trading-platform-xdgoxg

Wave 2 nearing completion, a few weeks, perhaps up to 2 months. then straight to $200.

I don't think that Waves will ever raise up to 200, I'll be happy if the price will reach the ATH in the next year, however nobody knows how the things will turn out.

I'm not sure if a bull ran will began this year, I'll set Waves at the end of the year at 3 or 4$ and 4$ is an optimistic prediction.

honestly when i read some traders who provide price predictions of waves I feel amused because I see these waves have no progress, their platform is very alarming, my hopes waves have a good breakthrough so that it can make the price rise to expensive.

There are some problems now. Maybe Russian government will succeed in killing it, we shall see.

It is good to show the crypto users of how beautiful the WAVE platform is in which it could be alternative to Ethereum platform. With the current market condition, beautiful platform and feasible commodities should be exposed in which both characteristics are in WAVES to attract more people to invest.

Although I don't know much about Waves, I think waves could be one of the potential altcoins which can increase in this year or next year. But that will depend on the developer and teams plus the community support. I already hold my waves, and I glad that I can buy at a very low price so now, I can wait for the Waves price to increase higher. I know that will need time for Waves to increase and I am sure that I can handle myself to be patient because I don't want to sell if the price does not reach the highest price.

it will be very difficult for WAVES to reach the price of $ 200 USD in the next 1 or 2 years, it might be said to be impossible, because once the price of WAVES reaches 4-5 USD many people will sell it because they have already benefited more than 10x

Who will be buying the Waves at x10? The answer is an industry of small businesses and fortune 500's who migrate their product and services to waves. ask yourself, what is $20 or a 100 billion market cap to a few thousand multi million dollar turnover businesses or a doze fortune 500's? the answer is, pocket change.

Certainly, the new buyers will not be the current owners, these are the ICO buyers who will automatically sell when founders phase transition into early adopter phase. Only the strongest minds and hands can hold all the way up, I know so many who dumped ETH at $100 and the rally was only starting at that price.

All onramped companies that choose to do business on waves must have alot of waves for the trading pairs and to pay fees on the platform which they can only do in waves not BTC or other crypto. Waves is the enabler, my project has several thousand waves reserved for liquidity and market making, imagine how many Rolex will have for their huge demand. This will cause resource scarcity, right now Waves is flooding the market because investors can't use this coin because they are not merchants.

Bullrun will be merchant triggered, including crypto merchant gateways. This is multi trillion dollar industry which is not yet matured with crypto.

The Bullrun after that, will be the mainstream adoption, aka late comers. These are the guys who will pay for your retirement and your grandchildrens many times over in a few years, if you bought a stack now for a few thousand dollars.

If Waves can capture 1/10 of VISA market for crypto industry then it's $40 billion cap. Technologically it can with 1000 tx/s.

Yeah, but the price is on usd. On the BTC pair it doesn't look as nearly as good place to buy. In fact it's lower then ever and i am not seeing any price trend recovery.

Why people do really make some exaggerated guesses on here? $200 is too much for Waves price even on a bull run this numbers aren't really that realistic.

I cant deny that this one is a good platform but due to market current condition and even relying to those technical like those second waves or whatsoever it doesn't mean that
it would hit up possibly into those numbers.Im not being too negative but sometimes our hopes do really affect us much.

Yes, Waves always had a good vibe but they lost it in 2018. There was a great hype about WAVES last year, many projects came through the WAVES chain but they all lost miserably. I don't see any hope in Waves anymore where I told everyone to buy and hold Waves coin last year. In the end, every crypto supporters want to make money through their chosen coin, Waves is not that type of coin anymore.

It's not a speculatice ICO platform that can raise ten billion in bubble money over weekend like ETH was, that is correct.
There is actual use case here because I have been experimenting with it for the past year with my own project with some recent success. It requires knowledge and attention to detail and a good product, but this is definitely an interesting evolution of the online merchant space combined with social media/direct advertising.

I believe that there are some risk factors with Waves because it is Russian, so people need to understand that this can be a road to nowhere and invest with caution. However,  for me, the potential reward outweighs a few months of lost income. And because I have a project there, I am also using this coin unlike other cryptos including BTC.

To my knowledge there is nothing like waves dex wallet where you have private key control. Stellar maybe similar, anyone knows something else? I think Waves is way ahead of the game when it comes to storing crypto assets.

I spent thousands in transaction fees on exodus wallet and then my ETH got frozen on Bittrex and a long time I ago I tried to store it in Eths native wallet and lost a bunch using it. MEW was decent but primitive compared to waves.

Eth was valued at $140 billion did we forget? it was a bubble. A platform that has actual use case should be able to attain 20% of this cap, and I believe it can reach parity with ETH peak if everything goes perfectly for the next few years. That is x1000 return, only possible in crypto.

It is not fully understood to what extent Waves is actually a dex, and now there is a browser app to store numerical passwords instead of private key login.

It is unclear what level of open source there is in the code base and it is known that the team can display banners in everyones wallets, blacklist pairings and place coins in maintenance at their own discretion.

Further, they have partnered with a centralized (infiltrated) team of establishment analysts in the Swiss alps called Bettertokens, that are gatekeeping projects and arbitrarily dismissing legitimate projects without reason.

Vostok is another problem because it is owned by Russian military through Rosneft and they want to merge this coin with waves platform...

There is upside potential but I would advise 5-10% of portfolio not more because of significant risk.

https://i.imgur.com/nAUgaQX.jpg


Double bottom here at $1 then to $14 or exhaustion at $0.4 (second leg) then reversal march 2021.

Because vostok will become a waves clone controlled by russian state, so the value of waves is now actually $1+$2.5 = $3.5

update:

0.0012 at 35k btc = $42

0.00068 10.2k = $7 so this is where we are headed within two weeks from pure recovery from may decline, then a global push during winter to 42, beginning of new decade bull market

then at some point 0.003 with 35k btc = $105 per waves

perhaps 1-->40--->10--->100



Update 25/9 17:43 $0.83:

Waves is about to complete its wave 2 formation that began with wave 1 in november 2018. Next level for wave 3 is $24 based on 2017 parabolic move. It is a x30 multiple. Buy what you can afford to lose/10-20% of capital/$10 000.

Wave 4 is preliminary between $7-10 depending on where w3 peaks (-70% retracement). W5 will end between $68-95 (x8 multiple).

6-12 months to complete this formation.

If there is a 3rd adoption s-cycle this will end in 2025 at $400 by similar movement: 95--> $5 -->$150-->$45-->$360.

in effect the situation is severe..as far as waves price is concerned.

The price of waves always decreasing since 23 May at USD pair. Its trading around 0.83 USD at the moment and already hit 0.76 in the day.
It is getting closer to all time low value 0.69 USD (26 Jun 2018).
If can not make a good move from here, no one can keep the waves. Also can be a good potential for the traders whom track the waves closely.

slight rebound in the direction of one usd.

I have two calculations here:

1. 80 cents was original projected bottom before VST and inflation changes
2. Valuation with 1 billion VST that is merged with Waves in 2021 at 80 sents is 1.1 max supply x0.8 = $880 million
3. With new inflation changes most users will stake their waves and only trade with dividends, so of this 1.1 billion supply only 1.03 is active when dividends from stakes in waves are used for trading (4 million yearly inflation of tokens) instead of main supply
4. In this scenario, waves can go down to $0.08 inorder to account for VST 1 billion extra supply

Calculation two does not include VST and the reason for this is because there are two articles from waves team,1 with VST and Waves merger into 1 native token in 2021, and another article that says this will not happen

Scenario two, is much more bullish:

1. Because of new inflation changes the supply of waves has decreased from 100 million to 4 million if most users stake their share and only trade with dividends. This represents a 96% overnight supply deflation and will result in advance from $0.8 to $20 to adjust for this change on a year on year basis
2. Original bottom was projected at $0.8 at 100 million supply, so technically coin is now in - x30 overshoot due to inflation changes and the equivalent bottom at 4 million active supply is $20 so this is the first corrective target for waves
3. Because $0.8/$20 is the old and new equivalent bottom, whereas a x30 price increase was projected based on other valuation metrics that was conducted on waves, it means that price will go from $20 x30 which is $600.
4. The old projected wave 5 top was $68 and this is now $1800 ($6.8 billion valuation on 100m supply vs $1800 valuation on 4 million supply)

I think both calculations are measured in extremes and that the truth may be derived from a range between $0.1 to $1800. By factor, it is x10 from projected bottom and x2000 from projected top, so fair value may be at x100 and x200 which is $10 as of 2019-10-15.

so everything is open..

It is a good project and prices are getting higher. The thing I like about waves is that it will reduce many risks like those of your funds which are stored directly in your wallet, meaning there is no point in hacking DEX, and there is no central administration capable of freezing your account or your trades.

Thank you for this very interesting projections, even though I probably don't understand the numbers behind some of them (I get the rationale in the end, which is enough I guess).

Like you said though, the worry will be that people will only trade with or use the dividends earned from leasing, so that is more likely the case than the bullish one.

8 cents wave? I'm definitely buying 1000 waves easily at that price!

The biggest problem is Vostok token because it is controlled by Rostec.

If $VST and $WAVES is merged into 1 native token in 2021 when waves 2.0 is launched, then the russian government got 90% majority for $120 million which Ivanov received for partnership and to avoid prosecution for earlier securites problems.

It is much better if this merger does not happen and waves 100 million supply remains.

My advice to Russian government is to pay fair value in open market for $Waves and buy 50% majority up to $20 billion market cap and dump VST project.

If the market knows that waves 2.0 is controlled by Russia, they will simply fork waves and exclude VST and make a swap with all users.

Inorder to prevent what happened here with VST and Ivanov, these brilliant scientists must have protection from a militia crypto. Crypto is a borderless virtual landscape made of gold, but it is without defense, there must be decentralized defense.

Considering the passivity in the public, I think that the future will only be ever more suppressive. The lynch mob is reactive and only comes alive in the hour of desperation, it is a force of annihilation and there is no peaceful revolutions. Crypto geniuses tried to assemble peacefully and overthrow an outdated system that stagnated the world, but they were too few and without support by the masses. When the merchant and retail is onramped, they are already in the hands of the military land owners because these merchants are locked into the land as profit requires stability and machines of production.

The menace of corporate crypto like Libra will fragment the royal kingdom of the military industrial and fiat counterfeiting elite, but it is no solution only an interim governorship through neo feudalism.

But it may be something the world must endure for decades while the old system is deconstructed.

Sovereign blockchains for every person is the best solution, let him be judged according to life choices, not by authority of tyrants. Let it be known as neo renaissance in the image of Ancient Greek city states and Amphictyonic League.

When automated robots arrive, it is time to introduce a blockchain powered basic income by proof of stake.

Deeper into the future, AI powered blockchain, then... singularity and artificial planets in the asteroid belt for everyone.

Price is $0.7, a good place to begin entry for those who think index coins with built in dex is the future. It can reverse at any time in these trading levels so the investmetn size should be big otherwise regret, should have bought more.

Personally preparing investment of 100 000 coins at $0.1, but if there is reversal here, a position of 5000 coins is good enough for financial freedom if strategic exit at $68 which is exactly x100 multiple from todays level.

But most who buy now, will sell at $4-5 and miss big profit.

Waves covered its may 2017 pre parabolic gap that resulted from tether uncertainty. Next stop $24.

Possible $0.58 pierce first.

Are you sure $ 24 will be reached? if true I really feel happy, because a lot of my money on Waves,
I bought it at a price of $ 1.5 - $ 2, and now the price drops below $ 1 makes me dizzy

it should already be $5 to keep parity with BTC since march divergence.

500% vertical before december.

0.00026/$2.26 then 0.00081/$6.78

And then maybe 0.01/$57-68 if btc 5700-6800, few months up to a year.

Sometimes, I wonder what is wrong with Waves. It seems a good coin with a good project. The team headed by the bright Sasha is also very active and they are constantly releasing updates to their supporters. But still the price is still way too low. And it is in fact going lower and lower in its rank everyday.

Until now, many have followed and received tokens in the waves, but I do not see the ease there and many can not be resolved properly. so that until now I was not at all interested in waves.
to compare with ethereum waves certainly need to be improved, because many projects with token waves are not very desirable.

If you compare Waves with Ethereum, you should have done so earlier. At this late of the competition, Waves is clearly losing. Ethereum remains at the top and with the most projects built on. But look at Waves. It used to be a close competitor but is now falling. The most recent pump is when they are promoting the Vostok project, which is also nowhere to be found right now. Even the DEX of Waves is also yielding to the more successful Ethereum. They are now admitting ERC20 coins in there.

improvement:

https://www.binance.com/trade.html?symbol=WAVES_BTC