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I have never had $4,000,000 or 500 BTC to be stolen. This is not the purpose nor precedent of the "Risked BTC" function.



Vod DOX'd OGNasty and attached the idea that there is 500 BTC held by the resident that was provided.

Vod has left me a negative feedback, presumably in retaliation for leaving them a negative feedback. A negative feedback that was deemed appropriate by theymos. The only DT1 negative feedback Vod is currently faced with. If this is not proof that they are out of control, flailing with power-abuse and hoping that their shit sticks to the wall - then I don't know what is.

I have done nothing relating to what they are claiming I have done and this is clearly and abuse of the trust system.

I have never claimed that Vod stole anything from me; he knows this. This is a lie, this feedback is frivolous and VOD should be removed from DT for their actions over the past week.



Vod has updated their trust feedback


I did not claim he stole four million dollars. You cannot reasonably justify anything resembling me putting Vod's life at risk.
My feedback on Vod was never meant to be permanent, I simply wanted a single DT1 feedback to reflect that a flaw of judgement had occurred. I cannot fathom how every user that has left negative feedback to Vod for this situation has been removed from DT if they were on it.

Really?

https://i.imgur.com/7q6sDWP.png

what does risked amount mean? do you need me to draw this out with crayons? seriously you are fucking unhinged.  your tag indicates vod is a scammer and you risked $4MM

The amount of BTC that could stand to be lost in the event that Vod's DOX was correct and someone decided to act on the information he provided.

Risked BTC does not indicate a claim of personal damages and never has. theymos has even mentioned increasing it based on judgement.


If I remove the 500 BTC risked, which I am happy to do if that's the consensus of more than the usual half-dozen, will you still find a way to defend Vod's actions?

Edit: I got the answer to the question above: Yes.

I don't think he'll be in DT too much longer.  You've earned my respect how you've handled this in a major way Bill.  I'm sorry for the harassment you'll receive as a result, but you are most certainly on the right side of history here and are clearly putting the forum's interests before your own.

This feud is really getting to the point of petty bitchslaps and mudslinging.  Vod made a mistake, he owned up to it, apologized for it, and removed the offensive material.  We all make mistakes, it's how we handle them that's important.  Accountability, responsibility, humility, and honesty are indicators of a trustworthy person.  I had respect for Vod prior, but now I know he's a man of integrity.

Presenting your review with the 500BTC risked is quite petty and childish.  Here you are admitting it's a falsehood.  Here you are making excuses and trying to justify your false report.  That is not a display of integrity.  In fact, that's likely the type of behavior that got you removed from DT1 the first time, and is likely to result with the same affect this time.

Just my opinion, do with it what you will.

Damn, forgot to include a risked amount with my rating.  Thanks for pointing this out.  I'll have to fix that later...  

I have changed my trust-rating to remove the 500BTC risked, as I can see that is an issue everyone has different ideas about. You give out the address of someone holding 500 BTC, tell everyone they have 500 BTC, but somehow do not think that 500 BTC are at risk; that is a strange one in my head.

Regardless, for you to say that Vod has integrity, while he is knowingly and actively lying about me claiming he has stolen anything from me is disingenuous at the very least, maliciously biased at worst. I am not making excuses, I am accepting the criticism that has been brought towards my rating and edited it. I was using theymos' post as a reference for how to utilize the "Risked BTC"

I probably would not have included that figure with the feedback, just because it's a bit speculative and depends on a chain of events that might not happen.  I respect Vod and the good works he's done here, but at this point I wouldn't argue with the trust you left him. 

This situation has gotten way out of control, and everybody seriously needs to take a deep breath and a step back.  We've got legal threats, claims of harassment, people wanting out of DT, and probably other drama going on that I can't think of as I write this.  It's easy for me to say "calm down" because I'm not involved in the brouhaha, but I think that's what everyone needs to do right now.  If a truce isn't possible, at least a temporary cease-fire agreement should be made before any more hasty emotional actions are taken.

Look, we've all engaged in petty pissing matches, most of us in real life as well as on the interwebs.  Obviously Vod isn't immune, or he wouldn't have doxed OG.  That was petty and malicious, and it was a mistake.  He shouldn't have done it, he was the first to admit that.  Credit where credit is due.

Bill you are a twat. But I have countered vods emotional reaction, let the 2 idiots fight away and once the dust has settled make a thread here discussing the feedback from vod. Fighting stuff now whilst he is fighting with OG will only lead to collateral damage. Just chill dude

That post from 2013 is no longer true. Trust score doesn't depend on the amount. You might want to familiarize yourself with what you're doing before your stir up more unnecessary drama.

You're right, at least the DOX isn't still up, at least he isn't lying about having posted it or doing any other kind of gymnastics to avert culpability. I respect that wholeheartedly, I respect Vod as a community member, as an investigator, etc. I just know that anyone else would be held to a higher standard of consequence than this - Vod acknowledging their mistake does not erase it, but I agree it makes it better than it would have otherwise been.. To a large degree.


I'll take a step-back, get my greasy fingers off the keyboard and see where the pieces fall. Thanks for doing the right thing TMAN.


I wouldn't say Vod facing consequences is unnecessary drama. Continue to passive-aggressively roll around the forum.

And on top of that, that doesn't remove the facts that he is a very active contributor, that the vast majority of feedbacks left by Vod are very effective against scammers, thus protecting more naive members.
Errors and mistakes happen. What is worst is to be blind towards it and be in denial. Vod isn't.

I still believe that his presence and actions have an overall beneficial effect on the forum

Vod has a history of acting this way.

Frankly I am surprised anyone even decided to try to stand up to him. It is a good thing people are finally opening their eyes about him.

Consequences - ok. Exaggerating the issue and using a 6-year old outdated post to justify it - unnecessary. This thread - unnecessary.

This now seems to be heading towards a bunch of blacklistings, if the rumors about theymos' prior intervention are to be believed. Truly sad shit.

Agreed - I respect Theymos and I adore bitcoin, but he has not been maintaining this forum satisfactorily from my perspective.

Bill and OG are out of DT, appropriately, so the only one that will be hurt is myself, and I am OK if Theymos feels he needs to blacklist me.

There are a lot of trolls and a lot of scams and this "hands off approach" which has now endangered my life, has gone too far.

I know the IRS won't kill OG - they will just take his house.  If OG believed he paid taxes, he wouldn't have hired someone to stalk and harass me IRL.

LOL. I didn’t hesitate to call him out. All he can do is tell lies. There’s literally nothing to fear from him. He’s a neutered user here now, biting at the hands of those dog walking him.

Vod, I purchased my home before satoshi created Bitcoin. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Many people seemed to have feared him in the past. As you have seen once you stood up to him, he consistently trolls anyone critical of him. He also has shown himself to hold grudges.

He had used his position on DT to intimidate others. People were afraid of having their reputation trashed by getting on his bad side. Why do you think he has so much merit? I can tell you it isn’t because he makes good posts...

This is not a new issue. You have not been around long enough to know that this is a repeating pattern of behavior with Vod. If you care to read about it PM me and I will be happy to link you all kinds of backstory of his abusive behavior, his pathetic excuses to cover it up, and Theymos and the community in general doing nothing to check his behavior. He has done this so many times I have lost count. He does this over and over because there are never any penalties to him and excuses are always made as the community in general just looks the other way. You have to understand the mentality of people like Vod, he will continue to escalate and do more and more extreme things because he WANTS to be restrained because he can't control himself. He has severe obsessive compulsive disorders (among other issues I'm sure) which means this is going to happen over and over and over and over and his history here has born that out.


Make no mistake buddy, you are neck deep in it, its just is not your turn yet.

Yet you've still hired someone to stalk me??   Why?

Wondering when we will able to stop fight between DT members. Seems most of accusation against DT members are false and retailonary. If DT members fight each other continuously then I think trust system will not exist anymore. It would force to admin for remove trust system eventually and scammers will get freedom.

Is that 4 DT members now that have been removed for putting red trust on Vod over this?
bill gator, Rmcdermott927, OgNasty, and teeGUMES   

Hmm.. I wonder who is doing this excluding..

The new exclusions are teeGUMES and idiot gator. The others should have existed before (OgNasty is on and off unusually often..).

Its almost like... there is a..."Secret Sad BitcoinTalk Trust Farming Circle Jerk Mob" protecting certain members who act in lockstep... It would be a shame if some one were to introduce some individualism to your collective.

I hope DT fights will settled down before admin enforced to do the things like you mentioned.

DT ratings are here for saving us from scams not to take revenge. :)

It's almost like you are jealous you are no longer part of it?  

I created this thread in response to the negative feedback that Vod has left me. It is clearly more exaggerated, and childish than anything you are claiming I have done. PMs are blocked, and the other thread isn't an appropriate place for this discussion. Unless you believe that the feedback they left me was completely warranted, no questions asked, this thread should very much be up.

To be clear, Vod DOXs another member and every single user that has given them negative trust that was once on DT is no longer on DT.
A strange consequence of Vod doing something immoral and malicious, is that everyone criticizing these actions is facing more consequences than Vod.


What would be appropriate consequences for this?


So bitter.

Maybe only a very small number of users, which usually suck up to each other, are strongly  critizing these actions? Maybe most of the forum no longer likes these users because of said nepotism, hypocrisy, etc.? Maybe. Scratch that, it's not the same set of members.

Whatever he does, let's hope he learned from his last experience with OG, his cherry picking Theymos' words, and the increased problems it caused.  :/

More like I have been calling out this bullshit for years (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5109647.0) while you sell your projections of jealousy in a pathetic attempt to distract from your own serial abusive behavior.

I thought I wasn't worth listening to? Yet here you are, reading, listening, responding, and somehow avoiding anything relevant to Vod abusing the trust system.


This is kind of what I meant by intimidation. God forbid I don't fall in line after you make a mistake and want to sweep it under the rug.
Let's hope you learn from your blatant abuse of power, it damages your reputation more than your lies could ever hurt mine.

Just so we're clear, nobody here is defending you leaving me negative trusts - the best anybody seems to be able to do for you is bury your actions in bullshit.

You claim you aren't jealous, but your actions....

You're manipulating the masses with lies and I have all the time in the world. Sad that Chipmixer is sponsoring that garbage. Read moronbozo's post. I'm waiting for thermos to appear.

Third time is the charm, I suppose, are we going to continue calling me a liar without telling me what I'm lying about?
I'm continually being called a liar, yet as I stand here ready to apologize, correct and change-course all that I'm hearing is ad-hominem attacks, diversions, projections and platitudes.

You're normally so witty, but this is just like when the toddler wants the square to fit in the circle-hole. 

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Would have tagged you right after if it weren't for the new thermos guideline. All I see is a teen desperate to become relevant; out of this stark desperation many mistakes were made in a very short time.

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After I've followed moronbozo's post, it seems that Vod revealed zero new information. Everything from the coins to the exact address is a few clicks away and likely already archived.

I am sorry for any assumption, but are you saying that it is better to make known the fact that Vod can doxx an individual after a span of several years of vendetta ;
and at the same time to put discredit on the trust feedbacks he left to all of the other scammers and to make guests question all the threads he started and that ended up as stickies ?
OgNasty > Bitcointalk ? Or is it Bitcointalk > OgNasty ? What are the priorities, in your eyes ?

Please tell me if I get it right, or wrong, because I fail to see it otherwise.

I still believe that disagreements or fights of this type are not necessary, but what is done is done.
I don't condemn or approve of what was done so far ; all I see are the ripple effects.

I really am sorry that I never bothered to look at Vod's behavior and leave him an appropriate rating before.  There are so many users here, and I'm constantly attacked by random accounts, so I have my limitations.  It's now obvious Vod has a long history of abusing his privileges to damage other people's forum experience.  Hopefully my willingness to be the current subject of his pathetic lies makes up for it in some way.  Luckily, it appears his recent behavior will seal his fate here.



Exactly.  Honest members should just leave Vod a negative trust rating as was stated is appropriate by theymos and we should all move on.  Let theymos sort out those who have been abusing the system to collectively try and gain control of it.

The claim then, is that Vod never indicated that there was 500 BTC connected to the address or it's resident?
I will happily edit my feedback, retract my statement, apologize and go on a public tour if I am incorrect.
I do not want to be a liar, but you're not being very clear.



My priority is that everyone is held to the same standard. You do something wrong, you face consequence. There is no disagreement that what was done was wrong; what are the appropriate consequences? Everybody seems to agree consequences are appropriate, but whenever any are enforced there is more backlash against the consequences than there ever was against Vod or the DOXing.

Worded the way you have asked the question, BitcoinTalk > OGNasty, every single time. I have no loyalty to that man, I don't know him, I just see something that we all agree is wrong, DOXING, and it warrants negative trust - in my opinion, at least temporarily.

So, to keep it concise you are incorrect in how you are viewing my role in all of this. This is, however, why I avoid Reputation like it is the plague, because it is the plague of our community.

Switch the roles, if OG released Vod's DOX, OG would have a negative feedback from me.
What's funny about that though, I'd probably still be on DT1.

I'm not here to play favorites, but some people are experiencing cognitive dissonance to a degree that can only be found in people that have suffered severe lack of socializing.


I can't believe you think this sentence was worth writing.

What actions? Because I dare to point out you are a dangerous mentally ill Canukistani cunt with a pattern of this kind of malicious behavior, I am jealous of your spot on the default trust. LoL. K. [plays clown music]

Vod didn't indicate anything that was not already indicated, thus including that is only relevant if you want to exagarrate what happened. Now had Og's information been relatively private, and Vod had done this that would have been a different story.

This would make it really spiral out of control, and I wonder how master thermos would react.

Vod did not release anything. The DOX was everywhere.

It's a protest to the new guideline, definitely worth writing.

It is not about loyalty, simply about numbers. Please don't mix everything up as the effect of your actions was to directly discredit Vod.

I am saying that your actions put more people at risk of getting scammed, than save people from being doxxed.
There is an incoherence with you reply, as you defend a single man to the detriment of the rest of naive newbies and users.
Maybe you failed to see the implications of your actions ? Which is also understandable.

Anyways, when a next moon comes, how many people will be safer after they read Vod's stickies ? How many more people will Vod dox ?
How will people feel after reading a sticky with a red box saying that the community believe the OP is a scammer ?

Switch the roles, I think you'd still be wrong. (Assuming the roles, and all the past actions are switched as well).

Define "relatively private".
The way you're wording this makes it sound like Vod mentioning there being 500 BTC involved was irrelevant to the magnitude of malicious intent being expressed.

Let's keep it simple, do you believe it's reasonable to think there is someone that has OG's information, or a new piece of OG's information that they didn't have prior to the DOX release?
Let's assume you're going to be honest and say "yes, of course someone downloaded his information that was too clueless to otherwise find it."
Do you think anybody that saved his information from that post has good intentions?

The biggest claim against me is "exaggeration", so let's boil it down to the most reductionist level we can. How should this event be viewed?


Your argument is that Vod has done good, therefore Vod can do evil.
I've seen this argument used to defend Lauda in the past; I don't buy it.

That is nonsense. Vods "contributions" do not give him an excuse to act this way. If anything he should be held to a higher standard because others will look to him for how to behave because of his standing. 

Not accesible by public means, e.g. only certain people (say collectors) have it. This is not the case with Og, never was.

I frankly couldn't care less whether he mentioned it or not. If someone had any intentions with those details prior to knowing about the funds, Vod maybe saved them a couple minutes of reading.

Yes. No, and it doesn't matter. People with real bad intentions didn't need Vod's post, and even with the post they're would want to validate the information (the methodology would be very similar to if they were searching for it to begin with).

Rewrite or remove the rating would be a starter. Moronbozo laid out the issue nicely, and don't even get me started on rmc. He's the Chumlee of this forum. If I were to call you an inconsistent hypocrite, he would be the inventor of hypocrisy. Note: I didn't even start.

That's exactly what I said.


Without Vod, we are lost? It sounds like you're the one that has conflicting loyalty.


They would not be the first trusted, or staff member to fall from grace.


Then you aren't paying attention.

I agree as we should all be seeking higher standards. Also, I do not believe that the said "higher standard" is an excuse to act that way.
Honestly, I believe that mistakes happens and that Vod had a momentarily lack of clarity. It happens to everybody, even the bests.

Has it happened already in the past ? Not as far as I can tell.
The situation will also be very different if it happens that Vod doxes another member again in the future.

I still believe Vod brings more good than bad to the forum.


Is this what I said ? Please can you point me to where I said this ?
This is not what I was saying. I was saying that Vod's actions were more beneficial overall for bitcoin and the community, and that making a mistake is not a reason for removing it all.

Please do not interpret my words. I am loyal only to myself and my sense of morality.

Removing it rather quickly was appropriate. It was an acceptable mistake, the DOXX was unecessary (fact being that everyone can find it anyways makes it acceptable). I'm suprised that some rando-pajeet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142064.0) managed to create so much trouble. This escalated several times over.

That's a more slippery slope than meriting based on exclusively effort.


That's sort of the problem, champ!



Saving a criminal that wants to do one of our members harm some time. How is that a neutral action?


So close, it's just that the "it doesn't matter" part kind of kills it.
You do not know the investigative capabilities or routines of whoever downloaded and saved that information.
Admitting that the information is now in the hands of more people, none of which have good-intentions confuses me how you can come to a conclusion like I'm exaggerating.


It's definitely not being removed. If I shortened it down to just "Posted DOX" - do all of your complaints about my involvement in the situation disappear (the complaints that are able to be solved, moving forward, anyways)? That's an honest question, rather than an offer, but I do take everything said into consideration when I do anything around here.

I disagree that they laid it out nicely, they seem to have pushed the issue closer to a "who cares?", which isn't appropriate.


Now you're the one exaggerating.

I hope the fact I never resorted to doxxing TMAN or owlcatz despite the awful things they've said about me over the years is in itself a little more commendable now.  

I asked you a question in return, I did not claim "yogg said..." You certainly implied it though, yes.


You're reminding me of a good Chappelle joke.

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Well, if this is true, this is another issue.
Can someone confirm this ? I sincerely doubt Cyrus and/or Theymos will confirm or deny.
Until then, I am very sorry but I haven't witnessed that and you are the first telling me this.


Yes, you are certainly in my head, reading my thoughts.  ::)
I don't need to imply stuff, I just say it.


I wasn't aware that I played a role in a netflix serie :o

He's even encouraged people to harm users here by breaking their windows in the night until their insurance deductibles bankrupt them.  He seems fixated on using other people's homes as a way to target them.

You do realize that "intention" and "implication" are different words, right?
I'm not trying to tell you what you meant with your words, and it is quite off-putting how combative you are being when I am doing everything I can to understand what you're typing and respond reasonably.
All I was saying is how it was heard.

Extrapolating the things you say results in the conclusions I have responded to.

Within 24-hours of removing Vod from my trust-list and leaving them a negative feedback for DOXing another member I have went from 9-inclusions to -1 inclusions and being off DT.
This has happened to multiple people that have acted appropriately in response to the situation.

I've seen all I need to see, to know this isn't going to fix itself.

Well, thank you for informing us of this.


If this is the case, it is not to be taken lightly.
But, as you first said that forum administration told you this, they have probably noticed it over and over, enough times to tell you.
If this is the case maybe we'll have some compelling elements brought up by some other members but I can't understand how it was allowed to happen for that long ?


They both starts with an "i" and end with an "n" but the letters in the middle do change. So .. my deduction is that these words are different.
Wait ... Maybe I know their meaning as well ?
Intention : "Bob is in a room with a gold ingot. Bob wants to take the gold for himself but does nothing."
Implication : "Bob is in a room. There is gold on a table. Bob left and gold disappeared. Bob is a thief."

I maybe pass the test, but I still fail to see why you bring that up ?  ???


Don't extrapolate then. It only leads to more confusion. I told you to not interpret my words. (not give them another, conceived, meaning)
I can't second degree. If you are unsure of what I meant, please ask for clarification.


No.
All you are saying is how you heard it.
Or maybe I missed something else and now you speak on behalf of the community ?


The forum fixes itself very efficiently.

LOL yeah... what other users have you actually negged for doxing?

Anyone noticing the repeating pattern of how certain people are trying to turn this in to a a discussion of anything and everything except for Vod's inexcusable serial abusive behavior (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.0)?

You can still discuss Vod's behavior but for some reason you're choosing to bitch about me not doing what you want. I happen to think that massive hypocrisy, which you're not a stranger to, is a big part of this whole shitshow. None of you keyboard warriors are concerned about doxing at all, it's just a convenient topic to latch on.

I never said you were stopping me, I was just pointing out the fact that certain people here are trying to make this thread about everything but his inexcusable behavior. Convenient to latch on toward what end? What coveted prize do I get for pointing out Vod's pattern of years of serial abuse of this user base along with the community's excusing of it EVERY TIME? It is always the same thing, he pretends to repent, makes some minor concession after the damage is already done, everyone says the same brown nosing lines about how we should forgive and forget and "he contributes a lot", then he lays low for a few months and repeats the same pattern of malicious behavior again and again and again.

It's not.   ;)

As made up as the incorporation name in his paypal info for ten years.  Check it out.

Not sure why Theymos lets him lie like this, but I guess he has made his choice between OG and I.  Scamming brings in the coin - truth doesn't.  :(

It's my definition, not a slippery slope.

Intentional vs. unintentional. No malice was intended, thus it doesn't matter.

No.

Proper observation. Whoever can't find it, shouldn't be in this crypto-forum for their own safety. That's how tech-easy that challenge is, maybe a 2 on a 1-10 scale.

Correct, that's why I excluded all of them. Massive hypocrisy, zero actual care about general doxxing. Maybe they do care about doxxing depending on who the victim is.

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I called this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2602108) yesterday as a likely outcome of the bullshit that you're pursuing, now I'm just waiting for Vod's counterpart. This is why you should de-escalate immediately, especially when master thermos has recommended that it be done. >:(

Can we start locking these fucking threads and move on - let OG and Vod have the penis measuring contest as I got news, you are both acting like you ain't got 3" between you and there will be no winner if this continues, actually I think you will both end up losing here as nothing is to be fucking gained.

Lock threads, use ignore and both of you should fucking masturbate more often, Post wank clarity is a beautiful thing.

Vod is a liar and abuser.Once he gets catched or called out on abuse its always the same.He turns his attack modus on to protect himself.Throwing hundred of diffrent claims out to change topic and to discourage people to continue on his abuse.
It's also always the same circle protecting themself.
What they use to attack somebody outside their own circle won't be accepted as evidence against their owns and so on.

Lauda's claim is funny cause i remember how Lauda was upset that i just posted the postal code without any other information from a member of his circle and demanded to ban me for that.


Vod is a clear abuser of the trust system.You can see it on my trust profile and his reasoning why he left red trust.He makes up things and clearly has an ego issue.
He delted now also his content from his facebook profil and acting like begging me to sue him and also acting like he gave me his real identity which can be used by law which he has not.
He is not willing and even hiding to give his real identity but acting on the forum like its me who are scared to open a lawsuite against him.
I'm just waiting for a usebale confirmation of his identity and you can be assured a lawsuite against his lies and defamtion will be opened.

I know Vod will come and claim thousands of diffrent things to protect himself and make look like a macho on this forum but still i'm just waiting for him to confirm his identity.



Vod i'm really waiting for you.......why don't you pick the lawyer from Toronoto from who you want to get contacted to provide your identity proof or confirm your identity by sending me a confirmation text via your social media accounts ?


Why are you acting like you are begging me to open that lawsuite against you and at the same time hide like a scared baby who does everything so there is no real proof who you are ?

You are a trust abuser,liar ,manipulator and big mouth.

You want to proof the community the opposite ?I'm waiting for your confirmation so we both can proceed.
Its up on you big mouth



Let's clean ship.It will weaken some abusive peoples position heavily


Maybe i should now also open a thread for theymos against you and your massive abuse according to theymos ?


Btw people claiming Vod is doing good for bitcointalk.
Did you even read his nonsense threads and posts ?
If thats the high quality content bitcointalk is talking about then good night