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Title: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 10, 2011, 05:32:54 AM
Any body want to help contribute to a bitcoin commercial?

Im going to fund it I dont plan on making this related to cheaperinbitcoins.com.

I would like to make a commercial that will get peoples attention to check out bitcoins and during the whole commercial show weusecoins.com at the bottom of the screen or maybe setup a landing page for specifically the commercial.

Ideas?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 10, 2011, 05:40:39 AM
I may be interested.  What sort of contributions are you looking for?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 10, 2011, 05:51:14 AM
Looking for a writer who knows the ins and outs of bitcoin well enough to intruige an audience about bitcoin

Also looking for a someone to make the commercial it self.

Wont talk about payment options publicly.

Only people with past work to show for will be considered for payment.

Besides that i think the community can help refine progress i plan on releasing the commercial some time early to mid next year.



As to matthews comment
Your right we need more products/services but i think branding bitcoin a little bit could help too getting the name out ther reaching to potential bussiness owners with the same philosophy as us.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: edd on November 10, 2011, 05:57:26 AM
How will you be distributing the commercial? Who is your target audience?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 10, 2011, 06:11:10 AM
How will you be distributing the commercial? Who is your target audience?

Right now im looking into google ads but open to suggestions.

Target audience:
Gamers
Geeks
Business owners
anybody that has basic working knowledge of computers.


I wonder what kind of budget requirements a television station like G4 would cost for 30seconds(realisticaly 15 seconds i think)of ad time. I think that could be a good goal to reach honestly that would make this place boom with new ideas with all that geek power!



Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 10, 2011, 06:14:26 AM
Looking for a writer who knows the ins and outs of bitcoin well enough to intruige an audience about bitcoin

Also looking for a someone to make the commercial it self.

Wont talk about payment options publicly.

Only people with past work to show for will be considered for payment.

Besides that i think the community can help refine progress i plan on releasing the commercial some time early to mid next year.

I'm a writer who has stumbled across bitcoins in the last few months but have been totally intrigued with the concept.  I feel I know enough to relay a proper message to the general public.  I also work frequently with a group of filmmakers who I have been hipping to this whole bitcoin phenomena.  I know I could get interest in producing a commercial.  I'll PM you some of our work and you can decide whether it would be worthwhile to work with us.

As for ideas...  off the top of my head maybe we could get out the bitcoin message with a mock political ad for the mysterious Satoshi Nakamoto?  It may be timely considering the time-frame you are looking to release the commercial.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 10, 2011, 11:22:00 AM
I have had a lot of responses on this thread and I think I have a writer and a production team to make the video.

I'll be sure to keep the community in the loop of course after all I don't want to mislead people so I'm going to need everyones help.

If you would like to donate to this fund send your contributions to the following address

Quote
1MPoqSfGfPA9YUkAdaKUQXZxztj4gjHUF2

looking at around $1300 - $1500 for production and advertising costs

At the moment I have around $150 saved up for the commercial and plan on adding around $50 to $100 a month; Every little bit helps guys!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 10, 2011, 11:36:42 AM
I understand that you want to use different media to raise awareness, but tv ads are geared for impulse buying. We have a long way to go before Joe Blow is ready for Bitcoin. We still don't have very user friendly apps.

Bitcoin is visionary. I wish we could do something like these 1993 ads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8)


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 10, 2011, 11:45:15 AM
I understand that you want to use different media to raise awareness, but tv ads are geared for impulse buying. We have a long way to go before Joe Blow is ready for Bitcoin. We still don't have very user friendly apps.

Bitcoin is visionary. I wish we could do something like these 1993 ads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8)

Indeed, My ad campaign is set to be released in a the far future for next year. Bitcoin could have highly evolved by then. I have pre-decided that I won't release the commercial until its ready to be released and all other economic factors have been taken into consideration(perfect buying time for new customers to come in, appealing services &/or products to be reffered to). Which is why I'd like the Bitcoin community involved in almost every decision i make.

I figure its going to take a year of planning and fund raising(hopefully less, we'll what the future holds tho)


As far as the link you gave me. Thats a nice video of ATT showing how they will push for the future! I hope to convey this message as well and I plan to attract anybody that already has a good working understanding of using computers maybe I can attract new business owners to accept Bitcoin.

I've been talking with deltanine about his idea on how the commercial should go, and I can't wait to have everyone review it once everything is settled.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: bitstarter on November 10, 2011, 06:03:58 PM
I understand that you want to use different media to raise awareness, but tv ads are geared for impulse buying. We have a long way to go before Joe Blow is ready for Bitcoin. We still don't have very user friendly apps.

Bitcoin is visionary. I wish we could do something like these 1993 ads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8)

QR code in side the commercial so people can "impulse redeem"  some small amount of bitcoin?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 10, 2011, 07:55:48 PM

QR code in side the commercial so people can "impulse redeem"  some small amount of bitcoin?

That's a great idea.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: bitstarter on November 10, 2011, 08:00:34 PM

QR code in side the commercial so people can "impulse redeem"  some small amount of bitcoin?

That's a great idea.

Why thank you! (:  heck have them "redeem" tied to one of our lovely bitcoin merchants here so they can see how it all works with a real bitcoin merchant!  ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deslok on November 10, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
I think a good meme would do nicely


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Elwar on November 10, 2011, 08:28:49 PM
Perhaps a Bitcoin infomercial would be better.

20-30 minutes giving people a step by step way of going from non-Bitcoiner to full knowledge of how to use Bitcoins.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on November 10, 2011, 08:36:36 PM
Perhaps a Bitcoin infomercial would be better.

20-30 minutes giving people a step by step way of going from non-Bitcoiner to full knowledge of how to use Bitcoins.

Nothing says trustworthy prime-time television like an infomercial!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deslok on November 10, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
I think a good meme would do nicely

How about a commercial that incorporates seasteads, Ayn Rand/Atlas goatse, Furcadia furry beastiality gay pornography and scamming! That's this forum's meme.


Bitcoins coming out if the goatse ass while Ann Ryan is dressed as a fury .... No too far even in a seastead


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: btc_artist on November 10, 2011, 11:01:47 PM
Ideas?

Show a child progressing through different stages of their development where Mom/Dad buy/sell things for them on the Internet. They buy a nice Play House toy for toddler, then a bike when they're older.  They sell the play house on eBay when they are older still, etc.  End with a call from patagonia or somewhere when they are 20 and backpacking around the world. They are calling because they need money to get home.  Mom/Dad gets on the Internet and sends them money so they can get home. ....  Then have a big round golden bitcoin that comes up from the bottom right of the screen and centers in the middle, and positioned around the coin are stillshots showcasing the child from each of the previous buy/sell/send money scenarios.  A voice-over says something like: "Buying, selling, or sending money-- when it matters most, Bitcoin will get the job done securely, quickly, without hassles and generally no fees." Voice continues: "Bitcoin is a secure, decentralized payment system*** that opens up worlds of possibilities. To learn more, visit weusecoins.com".

Something like that, anyways.

weusecoins.com would need to have a landing page that has a simple step-by-step layout:

1. Download this program.
2. Add some bitcoins to your balance *
3. Start using your bitcoins **

* Have an "official" not-for-profit service on weusecoins.com where you can deposit cash in an account at any of the world's major banks (in most countries) to get bitcoins.

** Have a list of mainstream merchants/services that accept bitcoins, as well as places to earn bitcoins, such as auction sites

*** I like the term "Payment system" because that's the easiest for people to understand.  I think the terms "currency", "money", "barter" etc, would just turn people off.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: ineededausername on November 10, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Gordon Liddy here for Magic the Gathering Online Exchange!
Like you, I'm worried about the falling US Dollar.  Experts are calling this economic crisis the worst since the Great Depression.  The Fed is printing money faster than ever, paying for Wall Street bailouts on our ten trillion dollar debt.  But you don't have to watch your hard-earned savings shrink to nothing!
Invest in BITCOINS!  I got into Bitcoins two years ago!  It's the smartest move I ever made.  During hard economic times, Bitcoins are the currency that goes up, not down.  The value of Bitcoins has gone up by over 100 times in two years, and the best is yet to come!
Buy your Bitcoins where I buy mine -- Magic the Gathering Online Exchange. 


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Jonathan Ryan Owens on November 10, 2011, 11:28:23 PM
Gordon Liddy here for Magic the Gathering Online Exchange!
Like you, I'm worried about the falling US Dollar.  Experts are calling this economic crisis the worst since the Great Depression.  The Fed is printing money faster than ever, paying for Wall Street bailouts on our ten trillion dollar debt.  But you don't have to watch your hard-earned savings shrink to nothing!
Invest in BITCOINS!  I got into Bitcoins two years ago!  It's the smartest move I ever made.  During hard economic times, Bitcoins are the currency that goes up, not down.  The value of Bitcoins has gone up by over 100 times in two years, and the best is yet to come!
Buy your Bitcoins where I buy mine -- Magic the Gathering Online Exchange. 

https://i.imgur.com/Bxylj.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 11, 2011, 12:57:28 AM
I understand that you want to use different media to raise awareness, but tv ads are geared for impulse buying. We have a long way to go before Joe Blow is ready for Bitcoin. We still don't have very user friendly apps.

Bitcoin is visionary. I wish we could do something like these 1993 ads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZb0avfQme8)

QR code in side the commercial so people can "impulse redeem"  some small amount of bitcoin?

QR codes are a must!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 11, 2011, 12:59:52 AM
Perhaps a Bitcoin infomercial would be better.

20-30 minutes giving people a step by step way of going from non-Bitcoiner to full knowledge of how to use Bitcoins.

An infomercial isn't a bad idea as I'm sure a lot of nocturnal peeps need something to do while their trying to go to punch them selves to sleep why no try out a new payment system.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 11, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
Ideas?

Show a child progressing through different stages of their development where Mom/Dad buy/sell things for them on the Internet. They buy a nice Play House toy for toddler, then a bike when they're older.  They sell the play house on eBay when they are older still, etc.  End with a call from patagonia or somewhere when they are 20 and backpacking around the world. They are calling because they need money to get home.  Mom/Dad gets on the Internet and sends them money so they can get home. ....  Then have a big round golden bitcoin that comes up from the bottom right of the screen and centers in the middle, and positioned around the coin are stillshots showcasing the child from each of the previous buy/sell/send money scenarios.  A voice-over says something like: "Buying, selling, or sending money-- when it matters most, Bitcoin will get the job done securely, quickly, without hassles and generally no fees." Voice continues: "Bitcoin is a secure, decentralized payment system*** that opens up worlds of possibilities. To learn more, visit weusecoins.com".

Something like that, anyways.

weusecoins.com would need to have a landing page that has a simple step-by-step layout:

1. Download this program.
2. Add some bitcoins to your balance *
3. Start using your bitcoins **

* Have an "official" not-for-profit service on weusecoins.com where you can deposit cash in an account at any of the world's major banks (in most countries) to get bitcoins.

** Have a list of mainstream merchants/services that accept bitcoins, as well as places to earn bitcoins, such as auction sites

*** I like the term "Payment system" because that's the easiest for people to understand.  I think the terms "currency", "money", "barter" etc, would just turn people off.

Although this kind of sounds corny just reading it, you can kind of imagine how the commercial could potentially go.  Its always good to make the audience feel like they can related directly with what they are watching. I think child in need of money to get home could reel any parent in.

we would have to think about whom this would appeal too if we chose this direction


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 11, 2011, 01:06:18 AM
I think a good meme would do nicely
Gordon Liddy here for Magic the Gathering Online Exchange!
Like you, I'm worried about the falling US Dollar.  Experts are calling this economic crisis the worst since the Great Depression.  The Fed is printing money faster than ever, paying for Wall Street bailouts on our ten trillion dollar debt.  But you don't have to watch your hard-earned savings shrink to nothing!
Invest in BITCOINS!  I got into Bitcoins two years ago!  It's the smartest move I ever made.  During hard economic times, Bitcoins are the currency that goes up, not down.  The value of Bitcoins has gone up by over 100 times in two years, and the best is yet to come!
Buy your Bitcoins where I buy mine -- Magic the Gathering Online Exchange. 

https://i.imgur.com/Bxylj.jpg

haha a meme might do nicely indeed....


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: adamstgBit on November 11, 2011, 04:18:50 AM
My crazy idea:

for 15 seconds you show this img, and nothing else

http://www.instructables.com/image/FZ46OKLGOFIKH2B/Understanding-Bitcoin.jpg

no sound, no mention of bitcoin, Nothing! just the image.

then the img nicely fades out. end of commercial!


The idea is to make people say "?WTF?... what was that" they will for sure talk to people about it and everyone will be like "Ya i saw that too... i have no clue what it is??" ???
Finally a friend of a friend will be like "OH ya that's The Bitcoin commercial, you really should go check it out online!"
the guy gose online and learns about this revolutionary idea that is bitcoin and falls in love with it!
he goes back to all his friends and tells them "I figured it out!! the weird commercial is B I T C O I N, and its going to change the world my friends. BUY BUY BUY!!! before its to late"

the most talk about commercial of 2012

Edit: ok maybe give them a clue .... have a short version of this song playing in the back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fOzt-Hxfg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fOzt-Hxfg)

LMAO!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: bc on November 11, 2011, 04:47:33 AM
I like the life-stages idea, btc_novice. It's similar to the "You Will" commercials in how it evokes emotions.
  (thanks CBeast for reminding us about "You Will")
I don't think Satoshi should be mentioned in any commercials - at least for 5 years.
Keep It Simple, Satoshi. Go short on details. Fill it with imagery and emotion.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 11, 2011, 06:44:12 AM
My crazy idea:

for 15 seconds you show this img, and nothing else

http://www.instructables.com/image/FZ46OKLGOFIKH2B/Understanding-Bitcoin.jpg

no sound, no mention of bitcoin, Nothing! just the image.

then the img nicely fades out. end of commercial!


The idea is to make people say "?WTF?... what was that" they will for sure talk to people about it and everyone will be like "Ya i saw that too... i have no clue what it is??" ???
Finally a friend of a friend will be like "OH ya that's The Bitcoin commercial, you really should go check it out online!"
the guy gose online and learns about this revolutionary idea that is bitcoin and falls in love with it!
he goes back to all his friends and tells them "I figured it out!! the weird commercial is B I T C O I N, and its going to change the world my friends. BUY BUY BUY!!! before its to late"

the most talk about commercial of 2012

Edit: ok maybe give them a clue .... have a short version of this song playing in the back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fOzt-Hxfg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fOzt-Hxfg)

LMAO!

I understand what you are getting at here and it has value as I've been thinking along the same lines all day.  I think what you describe is a bit too minimalist and may come off as cheap looking though.  Plus, you may be surprised at how long 15 seconds really is when you have one static image frozen on your TV.

Everyone reading this knows there is a bit of a learning curve to bitcoins and 15 seconds isn't that much time to convey its message.  Once someone new to bitcoins picks up the bare essentials, in reality they are easy to use especially if more vendors pick up bitcoins.  We can make this simple, however, with tight shots of a single spokesperson with no clutter in the background.  I would like this much better than the God-voice narrator like in the AT&T commercials linked above.  Someone speaking directly to the viewer is more personable.

I do remember those AT&T You Will commercials.  It's interesting how prophetic they were as I see them again.  That future is here now and it isn't quite as exciting as it was imagined in 1993.

I think a simple approach would be in order for a few good reasons.

1.) Keep production costs as low as possible while keeping quality production value.
2.) An uncluttered message.
3.) Enhance the mystery and encourage the viewer to take that leap to the website.
4.) Convey cinematically the ease of bitcoin use.

As you point out this commercial would need to have a strong hook that will encourage the viewer to either scan a QR Code on their screen or else browse to weusecoins.com.  To do this I think we follow the strategy the creator(s) of the bitcoin employed in order to catch our attention.  Whether it was purposeful or not, they created an enigmatic character as the inventor who is no longer around.  I know this is one of the elements of the bitcoin that reeled me in as everyone loves a good story.  I say we go 180% from the AT&T commercials; simple visuals with clean and professional graphics but we tell an interesting story.  So here is what I've been thinking:

Tight shots on a single spokesperson with a simple, uncluttered background.  We will want to have a QR Code up somewhere on the screen at all times.  As he begins to speak it is almost as if he starts off in mid-thought.

SPOKESPERSON: Here is what we know.  In early 2009 a programmer calling himself Satoshi Nakamoto created what is now known as the Genesis Block.  This set off a chain of events that was to be the beginning of the world's most successful digital currency.  A currency that has no central authority or government to bureaucratize it.  No failing banks to mishandle it and charge outrageous fees to move it from person to person.  He called his new digital currency the Bitcoin and then... Mr. Nakamoto promptly disappeared from the scene.  Here is what we don't know.  When he brought the first Bitcoins into existence, did he know that he was about to change the world forever?  Interested?

Then we fade with the URL and maybe some text like "Where is Satoshi Nakamoto?"

Now all this being said, we can cut a :15 and :30 for television broadcast and even a 2-3 minute version for the website without raising production costs one bit...coin. :)

I am open to ideas.  If you guys think I'm way off base here let me know.  You won't hurt my feelings as most of you have much more experience with bitcoins than I do.  Ultimately this is Xenland's baby so as far as I'm concerned whatever he says goes.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: bitstarter on November 11, 2011, 06:18:53 PM
how about a "super bowl" commercial ?  if we get enough donations its possible lol 

talk about a "tipping point"  (:   tie it in with some football jocks we are set!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 11, 2011, 06:57:58 PM
I would like to see mock-up software and devices that show the real strengths of Bitcoin. IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago. In fact, so much money would be saved in law enforcement that because crime would decrease, prison population would decrease, and folks would save a fortune in taxes. The social benefits of Bitcoin are numerous.

The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.



Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 11, 2011, 07:08:43 PM
I would like to see mock-up software and devices that show the real strengths of Bitcoin. IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago. In fact, so much money would be saved in law enforcement that because crime would decrease, prison population would decrease, and folks would save a fortune in taxes. The social benefits of Bitcoin are numerous.

The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.



These are excellent thoughts, cbeast.  By including these three suggestions in the commercial's message we can leverage the current attitude the public has towards the economy that may create strong interest in weusecoins.com.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: ALPHA. on November 11, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable.

How?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: adamstgBit on November 11, 2011, 07:13:59 PM
I would like to see mock-up software
...
The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.


Thats to much information for 15 seconds.

no matter which way you cut it 15 seconds inst enough to say anything about bitcoin. for real we would need a 2 hour film called "Intro to bitcoin"

this is why i say the commercial should just give one clear message :: "Bitcoin ... go check it out online"






Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 11, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
I would like to see mock-up software
...
The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.


Thats to much information for 15 seconds.

no matter which way you cut it 15 seconds inst enough to say anything about bitcoin. for real we would need a 2 hour film called "Intro to bitcoin"

this is why i say the commercial should just give one clear message :: "Bitcoin ... go check it out online"

heh, yeah it would be difficult to do all of that in a short spot, but not impossible. I guess the simplest message about Bitcoin is that it re-invents the piggybank. (credit to slush for his avatar)


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Jalum on November 11, 2011, 08:13:20 PM

If you're going to ask for $1500, post a line item budget.  It sounds like this project has no direction or leadership, and every idea put out there is met with the same level of positive enthusiasm.  Which is probably an excellent way to go if your plan is to run with the money.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 11, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
My crazy idea:

for 15 seconds you show this img, and nothing else

http://www.instructables.com/image/FZ46OKLGOFIKH2B/Understanding-Bitcoin.jpg

no sound, no mention of bitcoin, Nothing! just the image.

then the img nicely fades out. end of commercial!

I like it.  Or maybe spend the first 30 seconds with sound bites from news "Fannie Mae requests another $78B in emergency funds", "Leman Brothers have filed for Bankruptcy", "US national debt reaches $15 trillion as unsustainable deficits continue", "Goldman Sach CEO testifies before Congress on charges of betting against its clients", "breech at credit card processor reveals confidental information of 14 million cardholders"

then the Bitcoin logo with "There is a better way" on the screen and no sound for 15 seconds then fade out.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 11, 2011, 08:23:49 PM
My experience with producing tv, radio, and newspaper ads (before the internet days) tells me that Bitcoin would not be served well by tv spots. Radio spots on popular radio talk shows may be the best value.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 11, 2011, 08:41:44 PM

If you're going to ask for $1500, post a line item budget.  It sounds like this project has no direction or leadership, and every idea put out there is met with the same level of positive enthusiasm.  Which is probably an excellent way to go if your plan is to run with the money.


I believe that's the plan, Jalum.  A line item budget can be provided for sure as I have a producer standing by who is willing to break it all down for us.  But right now we don't have a solid idea for the spot yet so there really is nothing to budget.  Xenland put a ballpark figure out there based on one I gave him.  But really, depending on the final idea we may fall below or above that figure.

I do hear what you are saying though.  It may be a good idea to hold onto your bitcoins until this thing develops further.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: jamesg on November 11, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
@Xenland you might want to get in contact with the guys from bit-pay. I seem to recall they are wanting to do something in this area also. Might be a good idea for you guys to talk.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 11, 2011, 08:50:03 PM
My experience with producing tv, radio, and newspaper ads (before the internet days) tells me that Bitcoin would not be served well by tv spots. Radio spots on popular radio talk shows may be the best value.

You may have a good point here.  I can see a talk radio audience, as one that would be enthusiastic about bitcoins(if they knew about them).  You can practically produce a radio spot for nothing really.  I bet you could get enough people that would be willing to donate voice talents, editing skills, etc. towards producing it as well.  This can also been done over the internet.  Sort of like how darkerprojects.com create their audio dramas.  I'd be willing to volunteer to help myself.

Then all the cost would go to ad placement alone.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 01:20:27 AM
Liking the ideas everyone.

I don't think I can respond to them all, I'll try not to be so enthusiastic about getting the Bitcoin name out there... I see it makes people worried about their donations are really going too(lol I joke i don't care what anybody says if I like the idea Im going to say it!!! bottom line is I'm gonna save up for this my self if you guys want to help feel free to donate your time if you think Im going to run off with $1500 of joke amount of money....).

 I do intend to start small like start with targeting my local city of Redding, nothing Super bowl HUGE! (like i got the money for that anyways). About the radio spot Idea that isn't a bad plan, someone from New York contacted me about a possible radio interview but I haven't heard back from him yet. Obviously I'm not just gonna sit by the phone and wait for the interview either, not my kind of cup of tea.

I do like the idea of purchasing a radio spot ad instead of tv ads those might do better as people who only listen to the radio nowa days are 99% probably stuck in their car and can't change the station on the account of the need to pay attention to the road.

I think I'm going to settle with a Radio ad.

deltanine, I'm going to PM you now for some writing ideas or samples? or anything else you can contribute to..

Were probably going to need voice actors for sure.... Anybody up for that?



Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 02:06:29 AM
I would like to see mock-up software and devices that show the real strengths of Bitcoin. IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago. In fact, so much money would be saved in law enforcement that because crime would decrease, prison population would decrease, and folks would save a fortune in taxes. The social benefits of Bitcoin are numerous.

The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.



May be we can mix this with the ATT progression of lifes idea.....

First it shows old western times with police investigators trying to track down crime, mean while it displays a sense of thriving trading and bartering going on.

Then it fast forwards to the 80s with police tracking down with a fancy gear compare to the old west days. Mean while showing people bartering and trading with credit cards and major banks.

Then it shows modern day era where police are using the internet along with scanning the Bitcoin network to track down an in-progress Hugest Bitcoin bank heist.... Mean while showing people all tied bound and gagged being kept hostage. It depicts the robbers trying to "Steal Bitcoins" and fail EPICLY! Swat team pops in takes down the criminals arrests them and as they are being loaded up they the chief of swat can say something catchy like.... "Didn't you know Bitcoins can't be stolen?"

Or somthing along those lines.......


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: ineededausername on November 12, 2011, 02:19:07 AM
I would like to see mock-up software and devices that show the real strengths of Bitcoin. IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago. In fact, so much money would be saved in law enforcement that because crime would decrease, prison population would decrease, and folks would save a fortune in taxes. The social benefits of Bitcoin are numerous.

The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.



May be we can mix this with the ATT progression of lifes idea.....

First it shows old western times with police investigators trying to track down crime, mean while it displays a sense of thriving trading and bartering going on.

Then it fast forwards to the 80s with police tracking down with a fancy gear compare to the old west days. Mean while showing people bartering and trading with credit cards and major banks.

Then it shows modern day era where police are using the internet along with scanning the Bitcoin network to track down an in-progress Hugest Bitcoin bank heist.... Mean while showing people all tied bound and gagged being kept hostage. It depicts the robbers trying to "Steal Bitcoins" and fail EPICLY! Swat team pops in takes down the criminals arrests them and as they are being loaded up they the chief of swat can say something catchy like.... "Didn't you know Bitcoins can't be stolen?"

Or somthing along those lines.......

That'd be so fail when people who watched it google it and find out all about allinvain, or the bugged 0.4.0 encryption, or ...


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 02:21:58 AM
I would like to see mock-up software and devices that show the real strengths of Bitcoin. IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago. In fact, so much money would be saved in law enforcement that because crime would decrease, prison population would decrease, and folks would save a fortune in taxes. The social benefits of Bitcoin are numerous.

The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

The next attribute is obvious. Obscure securities based on credit and margins could not be bailed-out by printing fiat money.

Please add to the list.



May be we can mix this with the ATT progression of lifes idea.....

First it shows old western times with police investigators trying to track down crime, mean while it displays a sense of thriving trading and bartering going on.

Then it fast forwards to the 80s with police tracking down with a fancy gear compare to the old west days. Mean while showing people bartering and trading with credit cards and major banks.

Then it shows modern day era where police are using the internet along with scanning the Bitcoin network to track down an in-progress Hugest Bitcoin bank heist.... Mean while showing people all tied bound and gagged being kept hostage. It depicts the robbers trying to "Steal Bitcoins" and fail EPICLY! Swat team pops in takes down the criminals arrests them and as they are being loaded up they the chief of swat can say something catchy like.... "Didn't you know Bitcoins can't be stolen?"

Or somthing along those lines.......

That'd be so fail when people who watched it google it and find out all about allinvain, or the bugged 0.4.0 encryption, or ...

Could you elborate a little bit more I'm sort of confused.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: ineededausername on November 12, 2011, 02:23:51 AM
They can't be stolen when properly stored.  Keywords being PROPERLY STORED.
People will google bitcoin and find out that it has indeed been stolen countless times.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 02:27:20 AM

If you're going to ask for $1500, post a line item budget.  It sounds like this project has no direction or leadership, and every idea put out there is met with the same level of positive enthusiasm.  Which is probably an excellent way to go if your plan is to run with the money.


I already stated I'm funding the project, I just threw out the number I was given I want the community deeply involved with what direction I go so I figured maybe I could think out side the box better with everyone involved and It worked! someone mentioned radio ads being more cost effective so far that sounds like a good direction.

As of right now there is no direction, and a lot of enthusiasm; so I can understand why you sense those attributes in relationship to the project.

nothing is set in stone, its just looking at the best advertising options and get some ideas out in the open. Any Ideas I don't use could obviously be used for inspiration by the next guy that wants to get ideas for future commercials....


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 02:29:27 AM
They can't be stolen when properly stored.  Keywords being PROPERLY STORED.
People will google bitcoin and find out that it has indeed been stolen countless times.

Okay well the commerical doesn't have to end with a lame catch phrase that is isn't truthful. but the point was to show that the catch phrase was going to be the "hook" to get people to check it out.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
FUD will dissipate as Bitcoin becomes stronger and more secure. We need positive memes. Given the timeframe for this project, I wouldn't worry about hackers since people are getting smarter (including me) about encryption and backups.

Bank heists won't be possible not because police will detect the robbery, but because wallets will be encrypted. Even if they are decrypted, anywhere Bitcoins are spent they will be traceable at both ends of the transaction. Even Bitcoin laundry services will be unusable because it will be illegal to spend or accept unregistered non-green addresses which will be tagged by the nation in which they are used. No more inflation and your money saved will go up in value (on average, despite speculation) ensuring some security.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 03:24:10 AM
IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago.

Police state for the winz.  Privacy should be protected by using the Police to snoop in on every transaction.  Yeah no Orwellian double speak there.

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The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

That is just nonsense.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

If the authorized user has access to his funds then an unauthorized user can have access to the same funds by "convincing" that user to release them.  "Transfer the contents of your wallet to this QR code or I blow her fraking brains out".  Pretty much the same thing as today except numbers instead of pieces of paper.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: ineededausername on November 12, 2011, 03:30:49 AM
IMHO the biggest strength is not anonymity, but transparency. Privacy is great, and should be protected, but we live in a culture of laws we create. Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime. Don't give me the Big Brother bullshit, that boat sailed long ago.

Police state for the winz.  Privacy should be protected by using the Police to snoop in on every transaction.  Yeah no Orwellian double speak there.

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The second best attribute of Bitcoin is security. It can't be stolen if properly stored and backed up. No FDIC needed. Mugging would be rare for people that don't wear jewelry.

That is just nonsense.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

If the authorized user has access to his funds then an unauthorized user can have access to the same funds by "convincing" that user to release them.  "Transfer the contents of your wallet to this QR code or I blow her fraking brains out".  Pretty much the same thing as today except numbers instead of pieces of paper.

In that case, you could have a fake wallet in a public truecrypt volume and an actual wallet in a small hidden volume.  The burglar would never know.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 03:33:41 AM
Even Bitcoin laundry services will be unusable because it will be illegal to spend or accept unregistered non-green addresses which will be tagged by the nation in which they are used. No more inflation and your money saved will go up in value (on average, despite speculation) ensuring some security.

Why would China for example enforce US laws?  If funds are unlawfully transfered to an unknown address and then it passes into a laundry service (or legit business in china) with tens of thousands of other transactions what are you going to do then?

You do understand you can't track a Bitcoin because they don't exist?  Bitcoins are merely an abstraction of balances in accounts.  You can only track balances.  So what happens when "stolen" money and lawful money are both transferred into the same address?  Consider anything from that address illegal until the end of time.  What if a billion Bitcoins are transfered into the same addrress as 100 stolen Bitcoins?  Are all Billion now bad?

Have you actually looked at how Bitcoin works?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 03:40:12 AM
In that case, you could have a fake wallet in a public truecrypt volume and an actual wallet in a small hidden volume.  The burglar would never know.

Sure but he may then decide that isn't enough.  Could take you with him until someone comes up with enough money.  Use your phone and send some messages through Tor to all your family and friends saying that when 10,000 BTC are transferred into Address xyz you will be free to go.   If the funds aren't there in 72 hours don't bother because you will never be going anywhere ever again.  No need for kidnapper to arrange for a payment drop the network would take care of that for him.   He can track in realtime the progress. 

A smart thief would have the private key memorized or have it created from a deterministic wallet.  If he somehow did get caught after money was transferred you can never prove he knows the private key, perfect plausible deniability.  When he gets out of jail the ransom money will be waiting for him as soon as he reconstructs the wallet.

The idea that technology will solve all crime is laughable.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: ineededausername on November 12, 2011, 04:00:32 AM
I think the key point here is that stealing money would require coercion of the wallet's owner with Bitcoin, whereas it has only required physical access to the money up to now.  Bitcoin makes it not impossible, but HARDER to commit burglaries.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 04:21:27 AM
Even Bitcoin laundry services will be unusable because it will be illegal to spend or accept unregistered non-green addresses which will be tagged by the nation in which they are used. No more inflation and your money saved will go up in value (on average, despite speculation) ensuring some security.

Why would China for example enforce US laws?  If funds are unlawfully transfered to an unknown address and then it passes into a laundry service (or legit business in china) with tens of thousands of other transactions what are you going to do then?

You do understand you can't track a Bitcoin because they don't exist?  Bitcoins are merely an abstraction of balances in accounts.  You can only track balances.  So what happens when "stolen" money and lawful money are both transferred into the same address?  Consider anything from that address illegal until the end of time.  What if a billion Bitcoins are transfered into the same addrress as 100 stolen Bitcoins?  Are all Billion now bad?

Have you actually looked at how Bitcoin works?

I don't even know if this idea for bitcoin is even being discussed for incorporation yet, but I'm sure there are plans for it. The Silk Road is the biggest objection to Bitcoin. However, all transactions are public record. Sure, you could spend non-green Bitcoin in a state that did not allow registration, but that would also be a matter of record via IPs. If a billion (HA!) Bitcoin are transferred to the same address as 100 stolen Bitcoin, and the 100 are proven to be stolen, then the 100 would be traced and returned to where they came. If someone is dumb enough to use a publicly known address for a billion Bitcoin transaction, they deserve to have their account frozen until it is investigated. Registering an address can be as easy as an encrypted message to a treasury server using PGP. Hopefully someday this will make Bitcoin appealing to every treasury department.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 06:20:46 AM
I think you still fail to understand how Bitcoin works.

Say a major electronics provider in China accepts Bitcoin.  Someone steals you Bitcoins sells them to some guy in China.  He buys something from the electronics provider.  The stolen funds are now in the legit electronics provider's wallet.  Of course so are hundreds of thousands of other bitcoins from other transactions.

There is no concept of A BITCOIN.  It is a number which gets added to another number.  So what is the US going to do now.  Block all currency flows from this major electronics provider to any address in the US?   Of course not.  There is no way to block only the stolen bitcoins because bitcoins don't exist as discrete items any more than an excel document consists of actual numbers which move from one cell to another when you perform a calculation.

I have 10 bitcoins you send me 10.  I don't now have "my 10 bitcoins" and "your 10 bitcoins" I simply have an address which is assigned a VALUE of 20 BTC.  Blocking "stolen" Bitcoins would be impossible without a one world government which also happens to be a Police State.  Even then as long as both parties are willing to accept the stolen funds (i.e. robber buying drugs w/ "stolen" bitcoins) it couldn't be stopped. 

They are simply numbers.  It would be like saying the govt could stop you from writing an IOU encrypting it an emailing it to someone else, or printing it out and handing it to them, or passing it to them on a thumbdrive.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 07:48:23 AM
Im not sure if it was my catch phrase(or robber) idea or possibly someone elses statement or idea. Lets stay on track here. In the end it matters on attracting new gamers, geeks and most importantly business owners to learn about bitcoins

I could care less if zero people joined Bitcoin forum, became a miner, accepted Bitcoins at their bussiness or started trading. My goal is mostly to just get the word Bitcoin in there head with truthful information. 


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Well, if you want people to accept Bitcoin, you need to have a good reason why they should.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
Well, if you want people to accept Bitcoin, you need to have a good reason why they should.

Do you need reason to an open ended question?

The point isn't to convert it is to let the person find out and explore the world of Bitcoins on their own and get their own idea about what Bitcoin is.

something as economically sensitive and complex as Bitcoin you don't want to give the audience and strong idea about anything other wise they might think you are trying to incept an idea in their head.... you know how inception fanatics are....


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 11:13:51 AM
Well, if you want people to accept Bitcoin, you need to have a good reason why they should.

Do you need reason to an open ended question?

The point isn't to convert it is to let the person find out and explore the world of Bitcoins on their own and get their own idea about what Bitcoin is.

something as economically sensitive and complex as Bitcoin you don't want to give the audience and strong idea about anything other wise they might think you are trying to incept an idea in their head.... you know how inception fanatics are....

Howabout a jingle then?
Bitcoin is cool ♫
You should Google Bitcoin ♩♬
Get your Bitcoin today! ♫
 ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 12, 2011, 11:27:36 AM
Hey that gave me an idea.....

Its my money! And i need it now!
Its my money! And i need it now!

Everyone breaks out into song...
*singing about Bitcoin




Well, if you want people to accept Bitcoin, you need to have a good reason why they should.

Do you need reason to an open ended question?

The point isn't to convert it is to let the person find out and explore the world of Bitcoins on their own and get their own idea about what Bitcoin is.

something as economically sensitive and complex as Bitcoin you don't want to give the audience and strong idea about anything other wise they might think you are trying to incept an idea in their head.... you know how inception fanatics are....

Howabout a jingle then?
Bitcoin is cool ♫
You should Google Bitcoin ♩♬
Get your Bitcoin today! ♫
 ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 02:06:42 PM
Maybe a parody of Cee Lo Green's ditty "the change in pocket wasn't enough, Bitcoin" heh.

Seriously though, a good slogo and earworm works.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Tuxavant on November 12, 2011, 03:35:29 PM

Law enforcement can be given the tools to make every Bitcoin transaction transparent and traceable. No more money laundering, no more incentive for organized crime.


Money laundering shouldn't be a crime any more than using encryption (TLS, Truecrypt, pgp, etc) to protect your other personal data. If you're a criminal and "laundering" money, you'll eventually be caught for the crimes you're committing to make that money and that should be that. I should be allowed (and I can with Bitcoin) to hide my finances - it's nobody's business how much I have or what I do with it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 03:38:42 PM
Money laundering shouldn't be a crime any more than using encryption (TLS, Truecrypt, pgp, etc) to protect your other personal data. If you're a criminal and "laundering" money, you'll eventually be caught for the crimes you're committing to make that money and that should be that. I should be allowed (and I can with Bitcoin) to hide my finances - it's nobody's business how much I have or what I do with it.

+1 Exactly.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
Money laundering shouldn't be a crime any more than using encryption (TLS, Truecrypt, pgp, etc) to protect your other personal data. If you're a criminal and "laundering" money, you'll eventually be caught for the crimes you're committing to make that money and that should be that. I should be allowed (and I can with Bitcoin) to hide my finances - it's nobody's business how much I have or what I do with it.

+1 Exactly.

Write your Congressman. I'd like to read the bill you would propose to justify money laundering. Good luck with your pro-crime sentiments.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Tuxavant on November 12, 2011, 03:55:28 PM
Write your Congressman. I'd like to read the bill you would propose to justify money laundering.

Actually, I dont have to. Bitcoin simply takes the power out of their hands. And I'll continue to let them know how I feel about their voting records each term.

Good luck with your pro-crime sentiments.

Like I said, money laundering is no more a criminal behavior than you using https here.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 03:59:55 PM
Like I said, money laundering is no more a criminal behavior than you using https here.


The definition of money laundering is concealing the source of illegally gotten money.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
Like I said, money laundering is no more a criminal behavior than you using https here.


The definition of money laundering is concealing the source of illegally gotten money.

The point is it shouldn't be illegal.  If the govt outlawed the use of encryption then encryption would be illegal too.  Making encryption illegal would make it easier to catch and convict criminals and if you can't you could always charge them w/ illegal use of encryption (kinda like money laundering charges are used).


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Tuxavant on November 12, 2011, 04:05:48 PM
The definition of money laundering is concealing the source of illegally gotten money.

That's one hyperbolic definition of money laundering. Another more modest definition might be "Money laundering is concealing the source of money."


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 04:09:35 PM
The definition of money laundering is concealing the source of illegally gotten money.

That's one hyperbolic definition of money laundering. Another more modest definition might be "Money laundering is concealing the source of money."

Tell dat to da judge.

Like I said, money laundering is no more a criminal behavior than you using https here.


The definition of money laundering is concealing the source of illegally gotten money.

The point is it shouldn't be illegal.  If the govt outlawed the use of encryption then encryption would be illegal too.  Making encryption illegal would make it easier to catch and convict criminals and if you can't you could always charge them w/ illegal use of encryption (kinda like money laundering charges are used).

Maybe encryption should be illegal if it is used to hide crimes from law enforcement. That doesn't mean it still can't be used. I carry a concealed weapon with a license, that doesn't mean I can just shoot people willy nilly.  :D


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Tuxavant on November 12, 2011, 04:15:50 PM
Maybe encryption should be illegal if it is used to hide crimes from law enforcement. That doesn't mean it still can't be used. I carry a concealed weapon with a license, that doesn't mean I can just shoot people willy nilly.  :D

Thank you. So just because money laundering might be used by criminal entities, doesn't mean that money laundering can't be used by "law abiding" citizens...


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 12, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
Maybe encryption should be illegal if it is used to hide crimes from law enforcement. That doesn't mean it still can't be used. I carry a concealed weapon with a license, that doesn't mean I can just shoot people willy nilly.  :D

Thank you. So just because money laundering might be used by criminal entities, doesn't mean that money laundering can't be used by "law abiding" citizens...

By definition, that is not money laundering. It's nobody's business where I get my money as long as I declare the amount, pay my taxes, and it is legally made.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: crawdaddy on November 13, 2011, 04:34:13 AM
Money laundering shouldn't be a crime any more than using encryption (TLS, Truecrypt, pgp, etc) to protect your other personal data. If you're a criminal and "laundering" money, you'll eventually be caught for the crimes you're committing to make that money and that should be that. I should be allowed (and I can with Bitcoin) to hide my finances - it's nobody's business how much I have or what I do with it.

+1 Exactly.

Write your Congressman. I'd like to read the bill you would propose to justify money laundering. Good luck with your pro-crime sentiments.

What is crime?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: crawdaddy on November 13, 2011, 04:42:13 AM
I find your discussion on money laundering to be quite funny. I find it funny because many people in the U.S, that argue that it is some how a bad thing forget America would not exist if it not for "laundered monies".

The irony   ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 13, 2011, 05:11:42 AM
To steer this back to the topic at hand...  anyone have anymore ideas about commercials?  Because if not I'm going to write out a few radio ads using the ideas already discuss.  If you want to talk about money laundering why don't one of you start another thread.

I'm just going to send these to you, Xenland privately.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 13, 2011, 06:18:09 AM
To steer this back to the topic at hand...  anyone have anymore ideas about commercials?  Because if not I'm going to write out a few radio ads using the ideas already discuss.  If you want to talk about money laundering why don't one of you start another thread.

I'm just going to send these to you, Xenland privately.

You said it deltanine.

For some reason I've noticed almost every thread goes off topic kind of hard to go in any direction if you ask me, none the less can't wait to hear what you got in store for radio ads deltanine. :D


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 13, 2011, 02:19:06 PM
To steer this back to the topic at hand...  anyone have anymore ideas about commercials?  Because if not I'm going to write out a few radio ads using the ideas already discuss.  If you want to talk about money laundering why don't one of you start another thread.

I'm just going to send these to you, Xenland privately.

You said it deltanine.

For some reason I've noticed almost every thread goes off topic kind of hard to go in any direction if you ask me, none the less can't wait to hear what you got in store for radio ads deltanine. :D

And let's not forget those web-based TV-like shows. Some of them have a nice following while others are duds. But let's say you found one that just started and seems to have the potential of really taking off. You may be able to lock in early at a reduced ad rate because of their hunger to get off the ground. With all the diversified minds here that may watch online shows, I'm sure some could keep you abreast of soon-to-be-released series.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: johnj on November 13, 2011, 02:30:09 PM
Gamers
Geeks
Business owners
anybody that has basic working knowledge of computers.

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 13, 2011, 05:17:13 PM

And let's not forget those web-based TV-like shows. Some of them have a nice following while others are duds. But let's say you found one that just started and seems to have the potential of really taking off. You may be able to lock in early at a reduced ad rate because of their hunger to get off the ground. With all the diversified minds here that may watch online shows, I'm sure some could keep you abreast of soon-to-be-released series.


Since we've decided to concentrate on radio spots for now, how about we look at audio podcasts to advertise on?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 13, 2011, 05:27:10 PM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: johnj on November 13, 2011, 10:10:31 PM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.

Doh sorry, started reading the thread when I had recently woken up.  Didn't quite register I should read further hah.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: crawdaddy on November 13, 2011, 10:34:13 PM
Have you thought about cotacting Mark at www.freetalklive.com (http://www.freetalklive.com) ? They might have some kind of radio commercial production deal.

Here is why I ask, because to have a professional commercial made, it would set u back about $1000 ish. But maybe Free talk live can produce a commercial for you (and you own the rights to the commerical) if you buy commercial spots on their program. A.K.A every once of you budget goes to on air play time.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 14, 2011, 01:19:03 AM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.

I like the idea of cutting the commercial into Spanish, I've been to LA myself and other areas you've listed and those could be a huge conversation starters for the Mexican community. I don't speak Spanish so we'll have to find a translator I think.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: FlipPro on November 14, 2011, 01:26:28 AM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.

I like the idea of cutting the commercial into Spanish, I've been to LA myself and other areas you've listed and those could be a huge conversation starters for the Mexican community. I don't speak Spanish so we'll have to find a translator I think.
I can help with the Spanish portion if needed. Great idea Xenland!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 14, 2011, 01:40:23 AM
Have you thought about cotacting Mark at www.freetalklive.com (http://www.freetalklive.com) ? They might have some kind of radio commercial production deal.

Here is why I ask, because to have a professional commercial made, it would set u back about $1000 ish. But maybe Free talk live can produce a commercial for you (and you own the rights to the commerical) if you buy commercial spots on their program. A.K.A every once of you budget goes to on air play time.

Awsome I just messaged freetalklive.com I see they are constantly doing Bitcoin advertising and I heard them mention bitcoin a few times on live show as well.... I can't wait till they respond


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 14, 2011, 01:44:35 AM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.

I like the idea of cutting the commercial into Spanish, I've been to LA myself and other areas you've listed and those could be a huge conversation starters for the Mexican community. I don't speak Spanish so we'll have to find a translator I think.
I can help with the Spanish portion if needed. Great idea Xenland!

It was deltanines'  idea, thank him!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 14, 2011, 01:54:51 AM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.

I like the idea of cutting the commercial into Spanish, I've been to LA myself and other areas you've listed and those could be a huge conversation starters for the Mexican community. I don't speak Spanish so we'll have to find a translator I think.
I can help with the Spanish portion if needed. Great idea Xenland!

It was deltanines'  idea, thank him!

He may be referring to the overall idea of a commercial.  In that case it was your idea.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 14, 2011, 02:21:55 AM

A lot of these people drive to/from their jobs, and some even listen to music while they work...

so why not a radio ad?

We're way ahead of you, johnj. :)

Ad placement isn't my forte'.  Anyone have any sway in radio advertising?  It would be interesting to find out what sort of costs we are looking at in the top 25 DMAs.

Another thought would be to cut a commercial in Spanish.  I live in Dallas and there is a huge Mexican immigrant population here and other cities in border states like Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles and Phoenix.  The spanish radio stations reach a very large market.  Many of this audience is looking for better and more safe ways to send money back to relatives in Mexico.

I like the idea of cutting the commercial into Spanish, I've been to LA myself and other areas you've listed and those could be a huge conversation starters for the Mexican community. I don't speak Spanish so we'll have to find a translator I think.
I can help with the Spanish portion if needed. Great idea Xenland!

It was deltanines'  idea, thank him!

He may be referring to the overall idea of a commercial.  In that case it was your idea.

Ahh!, that makes sense.

Thanks FlipPro!

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Never was good at interpreting languages(besides PHP and Mysql :P)


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: crawdaddy on November 14, 2011, 03:13:16 AM
Have you thought about cotacting Mark at www.freetalklive.com (http://www.freetalklive.com) ? They might have some kind of radio commercial production deal.

Here is why I ask, because to have a professional commercial made, it would set u back about $1000 ish. But maybe Free talk live can produce a commercial for you (and you own the rights to the commerical) if you buy commercial spots on their program. A.K.A every once of you budget goes to on air play time.

Awsome I just messaged freetalklive.com I see they are constantly doing Bitcoin advertising and I heard them mention bitcoin a few times on live show as well.... I can't wait till they respond

I know the gentleman form memory dealers has become close with those guys.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 14, 2011, 05:01:31 AM
Have you thought about cotacting Mark at www.freetalklive.com (http://www.freetalklive.com) ? They might have some kind of radio commercial production deal.

Here is why I ask, because to have a professional commercial made, it would set u back about $1000 ish. But maybe Free talk live can produce a commercial for you (and you own the rights to the commerical) if you buy commercial spots on their program. A.K.A every once of you budget goes to on air play time.

Boy...  I hope this is the case.  It would be exactly what we are looking for.  Especially if Xenland can keep the rights to the ads and can repurpose them for terrestrial radio spots.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: crawdaddy on November 14, 2011, 06:19:49 AM
Have you thought about cotacting Mark at www.freetalklive.com (http://www.freetalklive.com) ? They might have some kind of radio commercial production deal.

Here is why I ask, because to have a professional commercial made, it would set u back about $1000 ish. But maybe Free talk live can produce a commercial for you (and you own the rights to the commerical) if you buy commercial spots on their program. A.K.A every once of you budget goes to on air play time.

Boy...  I hope this is the case.  It would be exactly what we are looking for.  Especially if Xenland can keep the rights to the ads and can repurpose them for terrestrial radio spots.

Maybe sweeten the deal with them and run their  banner add for a month on your site or something. They are Anarchists (capitalist) so speak in their terms.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: btc_artist on November 14, 2011, 09:40:50 PM
Maybe encryption should be illegal if it is used to hide crimes from law enforcement. That doesn't mean it still can't be used. I carry a concealed weapon with a license, that doesn't mean I can just shoot people willy nilly.  :D
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 14, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
Maybe encryption should be illegal if it is used to hide crimes from law enforcement. That doesn't mean it still can't be used. I carry a concealed weapon with a license, that doesn't mean I can just shoot people willy nilly.  :D
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.

I would imagine many people who support Bitcoin also support gun rights.  Well at least in the US (and a handful of other countries) where such things still exist.

Economic freedom & freedom to exercise lawful and effective self defense.  It all boils down to freedom.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: btc_artist on November 14, 2011, 11:49:27 PM
Maybe encryption should be illegal if it is used to hide crimes from law enforcement. That doesn't mean it still can't be used. I carry a concealed weapon with a license, that doesn't mean I can just shoot people willy nilly.  :D
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.

I would imagine many people who support Bitcoin also support gun rights.  Well at least in the US (and a handful of other countries) where such things still exist.

Economic freedom & freedom to exercise lawful and effective self defense.  It all boils down to freedom.
Agreed. Freedom FTW!


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 16, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
Hey Xenland.  Did you hear from the freetalklive.com guys yet?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Tuxavant on November 16, 2011, 01:12:23 AM
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.

Dude, this is NOT a porn site. Please.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 16, 2011, 02:20:19 AM
Hey Xenland.  Did you hear from the freetalklive.com guys yet?

Indeed not long ago actually.... I'll re post with an updates if their are any


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: btc_artist on November 17, 2011, 08:05:09 AM
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.

Dude, this is NOT a porn site. Please.
Hmm, am I missing something?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: sapp on November 17, 2011, 10:23:25 AM
Perhaps an advertisement on a you tube video with over 10 million  views


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Tuxavant on November 17, 2011, 01:58:17 PM
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.

Dude, this is NOT a porn site. Please.
Hmm, am I missing something?

Bitcoins is pornographic enough. 8D Adding firearms would just put it over the edge.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: btc_artist on November 17, 2011, 03:38:34 PM
We need a forum for CCW and bitcoin enthusiasts.

Dude, this is NOT a porn site. Please.
Hmm, am I missing something?

Bitcoins is pornographic enough. 8D Adding firearms would just put it over the edge.
I guess that would be downright decadent.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Troll Toll on November 17, 2011, 10:10:55 PM
1 second commercial during the superbowl that just says BITCOIN.

you'll need to raise an extra 30 grand to afford it though


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: deltanine on November 17, 2011, 10:27:14 PM
1 second commercial during the superbowl that just says BITCOIN.

you'll need to raise an extra 30 grand to afford it though

More like an extra $3 Million to buy an ad spot during the Superbowl.


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: cbeast on November 21, 2011, 03:13:48 AM
Just wondering how the project is progressing?


Title: Re: Bitcoin commercial
Post by: Xenland on November 21, 2011, 04:11:30 AM
Great so far deltanine has sent me quite a few excellently written radio scripts for me to use.

Just saving up for funding now :D