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I'm quite familiar with the crypto world and can differentiate things. But I also look for things in internet.
If you do a google search with bitcoin, bitcoin.com comes in the second place. And most people also has a habit of looking for topic.com which leads to bitcoin.com. But the site bitcoin.com in many instances refers Bitcoincash as Bitcoin while they call the longest chain of Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core. This way they are presenting bitcoincash as the real bitcoin. And the more you see lie, the more it looks real.

I hate to admit it but this Roger Ver (scammer) is too much into his bullshit that he is doing this shameless marketing. He is using the fame of Bitcoin and misleading the new people in this industry.

I have seen a lot of newbies buying BitcoinCash thinking it's Bitcoin. I am not sure how we can stop this misleading marketing. Bcash is just another altcoin.

No.

If the .com domain was pro core, those who don't like Core right now would use it against Bitcoin. "Bitcoin is centralized."

Instead, the opposition have enough media power, one can say it is a lot more than Core's, yet they still fail against the Core. It is because there is a reality and no amount of media power can change that.

Bitcoin's way of scaling puts security&decentralization first,

Others like SV or BAB doesn't care about security or decentralization. People who promote those shitcoins (like Roger) are empty heads without any technical knowledge. They act just like a used car salesman would. Many huge promises but the reality is they are after your money. They want to dump that shitty car on you. They don't give a fuck about security.

They are fooling&scamming newbies into bcash and that's not a good thing but hey, this is internet, It isn't like Bitcoin is invisible and BAB is everywhere. On whatever marketcap site you use, you see bitcoin at the top. Not bcash. If you still fall for the Roger propaganda, you deserve to lose money.

the best way to view it without getting into social drama is this
no one should own "bitcoin" neither the cash crew, not the core crew.

yes there is alot of drama from the core crew trying to point finger in a subtle underhanded way to try gaining control of 'bitcoin'
 but ultimatelly no one should own it.

as for differentiating the 2 without drama..
think of bitcoin core(btc) as american dollar
think of bitcoin cash(bch) as canadian dollar
think of bitcoin sv(bsv) as australian dollar(well zimbabwe dollar)

that way conceptually in your mind you realise there is no single owner of 'dollar' but then learn to grasp the fact that different communities have their own 'dollar' and locally in their communities they just communicate it as such as 'dollar'

its not about causing a civil war. its about communication understanding.. EG if you walk into a canadian retailer and see something priced at $10. you would be correct to just presume that in that community the price is canadian dollar and not zimbabwe. its not a fight over who should own bitcoin. because no one should. its just about learning that core do not own 'bitcoin' just like america dont own 'dollar'

if the bch/sv and others reset the blockchain to genesis and changed the source code to change the function of their coin right to the start then none of them have the right to call themselves bitcoin as none of them have any evidence of linkage to satoshi

This is an old issue and it won't end.Roger Ver owns bitcoin.com and he won't sell it to some bitcoin core supporter.Many newbies will fall victims of this misleading scam, if they don't do enough research about the topic.I thinking about a way to shut down bitcoin.com,but this can be only temporary.

That's indeed a challenge for the absolute newbies those who are trying to get into bitcoin. They may be fooled by this website and they may think that bitcoin cash as the main bitcoin. I believe that's the intention of Roger to pretend BCH as the main bitcoin and it's truly a loss for us to loose that domain and information.


That's what the the thread says, mate! When a complete newbie will search Google about bitcoin and if bitcoin.com appears at the 2nd position, they will tend to believe that BCH is the main bitcoin instead of the bitcoin core and that's exactly where the danger lies! Even if there are many other resources to check their facts, it may take more time for a complete newbie to understand.

i am not 'cash' camp nor core camp. as i think no one should own 'bitcoin'
but since core own btc rule proposals btc is not the same as the 2009-2015 intention/ethos. thus its just best to treat things as separate communities/nations of something that was unified years ago

but if you take 5 steps back away from the social drama and ask yourself this.. you may see that things are not scammy. but just social drama provocations

if you have $10k.
if you 'accidentally' bought bch, you would get 24.3 coin
if you 'accidentally' bought btc, you would get 1.26 coin

when realising the mistake of not understanding which community/nation you bought into. you could just convert one into the other and be equal.

the only time there would be a scam is if they were selling bch where you would only get 1.26bch per $10k right now. which is not the case

Despite they are absolutely pro bitcoin cash (their "real bitcoin")  ;D , I don't see any attempt to post fake informations about bitcoin core.
Otherwise they can just foolish only noobs with their hyped news... (e.g. "You can use sms for send bitcoincash") .

Agree, to this. However the problem is the mis leading information that newbies will get if they will use google to define bitcoin and to directly define bch as the real bitcoin. Since I had started to know about bitcoin there was only bitcoin core. Newbies must just be cautious and verify thru other sources about the information they get from google.

to me btc (core) is like the 'petro'/USD of dollar (the more popular world wide and internationally talked about. but instead of trying to proclaim btc(core) as THE one and only bitcoin. is just as bad as calling bch(cash) THE one and only bitcoin

things would have been diffrent if core fans and devs didnt institute themselves as the power house years ago, and perform rekt campaigns. if they just listened to the community as a whole and stayed as a united single community of multiple brands all working on the same consensus, then things would have been simpler

core having the mindset of "if u dont like our rules "f**k off" is cores own fault

As much is I dislike BCH's marketing on bitcoin.com, it's the job of the researcher to do ample of research, not just read from one site and that's it. I think it's uncommon for new people in the space to think that bitcoin.com is the "official" website of bitcoin, but 30 minutes of research would most likely immediately inform them that bitcoin has no CEO or owner.

I wonder how much that domain is though. I'm 100% sure it's very very expensive.

The first question you ask is does bitcoin have an official website, because is don't think bitcoin have a working website but the developer's of bitcoin cash where smart to have created the bitcoin.com and have filled it with information about bitcoin cash and referring to bitcoin as bitcoin core.

It doesn't even matter the fact that it's named BITCOIN CASH means it's not Bitcoins as simple as that and this is something that even people agree with , everyone already knows , that site just seems to support something that is actually what they like therefore it cannot be taken as anything other than that, people might search , they might think that it's the real Bitcoins , but let's be honest it's just a forked one when they are Into this business for a long time they will realize this instantly also what would you do about the price difference ?

I don't think it's much of a loss at all. Most people don't even go to bitcoin.com or use it as a source of information, I don't think that most new users use Bitcoin.com or any similar website either. Worst case is that they get suckered into BCH for a while and then get woke on the fact that Cash isn't the same as Core. I know that, at least when I started with Bitcoin, this forum was one of the first places I came to and started using when I was hunting for information. Still use it almost exclusively, although some news sites like CoinDesk and the like are part of my reading lists.

I don't really care about domain games either. Some people take it as an important front, but realistically I can't see it mattering too much. Bitcoin Cash doesn't have enough of a userbase, growth-wise or normally, to make the loss of one domain important enough to matter. At least, I can't see it mattering enough now or in the near future to be concerned about it.

If you will rely everything on google, you will just get confused because not everything you read there is true and is real.
Bitcoin would always be bitcoin and I guess the misleading part there is when Bch and some other coins connect their
information with bitcoin. This forum would be a lot better becsuse you will be able to know about bitcoin here direct from users.

Offcourse it's a big setback and it's shame that Roger Ver owns this domain. Maybe it's not a big problem for us - experienced people as we know that Bitcoin don't have official website and CEO. I just looked at Google search result and guess what - Bitcoin.com website shown at the top and Bitcoin.org is only second. Where new people who don't know nothing about Bitcoin will go - probably to website which are shown at the top. And probably information there can confuse - what is Bitcoin, what is Bitcoin Core and etc. And we heard some cases when people bought Bitcoin Cash thinking that they are buying real Bitcoin. I'm not even talking about propaganda against Bitcoin that is published on Bitcoin.com.
What can be done to change situation. Probably nothing unfortunately...

This is a big issue, why will Roger keeps misleading new investors! have people not burn enough from investing in bitcoincash? no matter how much we try to beat down the truth, it still finds a way to flow atop like a suppress water flow, when bitcoin moons heavily investors of BCH will realized they have been sold a false tale.

I don't see a problem here. What if .com was owned by core but all other were owned by BCH? Should we keep hunting for them to buy them all out?
Many companies and projects use different domains with governments using their own .gov and .org and .info being very common among big companies and startups. There's no rule saying that you need to have a .com domain to be legit and popular.

Roger did a lot of bad by calling BCH bitcoin and BTC bitcoin core but he also got bashed for it.

this is shameful. how can someone be so cruel to bitcoin? I am sure he has also made a lot of profit from bitcoin and as it goes he is not against bitcoin and not even that. he is misleading people against bitcoin. we can not blame newbies about it but can expect them to switch to real bitcoin as soon as possible or else they are gonna lose a lot of money.

You really cannot do anything about the domain name, i am sure the bitcoin community had enough funds to purchase that domain if they wanted as i am sure everyone would have donated for that cause, but instead Roger Ver purchased that domain and he can do anything with the domain he purchased and if he supports bitcoin cash there is nothing you can do with it, until they scam some users you cannot raise anything negative against them which is highly unlikely .

In reality there is nothing cruel over here as it is a commercial domain extension and we have the professional one, we could have purchased that domain a long back as we could have collected enough funds as a community to purchase the commercial domain but no one bothered to do that even with the funds we had from the situation i understand, newbies coming into this market should understand the difference between BTC and BCH even if they advertise it as the real bitcoin.

i hope you realize that your title is wrong because you are asking about effects of a website (bitcoin.com) on a full node client (bitcoin core)!

as for bitcoin.com, unfortunately they have been scamming people for some time now. ever since they created their centralized token called bitcoin-cash they have been selling it to newbies in the name of bitcoin. there even have been cases where a newbie bought what they told him was "bitcoin" and waited to receive it in their wallets but they never received anything because they actually bought an altcoin (BCH) and were waiting to receive it in their bitcoin wallet.
you can see dozens of this type of issue in the tech support board, specially in 2017 when there were a large number of new newbies coming in.

Bitcoin is a community based project while Bitcoincash has business involved. Bitcoincash might even be better than Bitcoin in many aspects. They would do anything to promote their holdings and are generally more successful with their advertising than volunteer supported projects. But it would not undermine the Bitcoin project.

Roger Ver is recognized to be one of the leading figure in the world of cryptocurrency but for many he has lost his good reputation when he started Bitcoin Cash and made a war with those who continue to support the real bitcoin. In my opinion, too much greed has gone into his head that he don't care too much even if his many actions can affect bitcoin. People who have been here in this industry are already aware of who Roger Ver is and what he tried to do with the bitcoin ecosystem.

People definitely get influenced to buy bitcoin cash over bitcoin when they visit bitcoin.com and I'm sure a lot of new crypto users visit bitcoin.com first to see what it is all about.  I'm sick of the fighting myself and want to see all the top coins succeed, there is no reason we can't all support each other.  There is more than enough new money to be spread around.

Well I think it's the newbies fault here. I am not a BCH supporter but the site clearly says that BTC and BCH are two separate things. Even when you go to buy bitcoin it has 2 options: BCH and BTC.
So that must easily explain that person has to make a choice to buy between two separate coins. If the person doesn't understand the difference between the two then google can help easily solve this.
Even after this if the user is buying BCH thinking it as BTC then it is clearly the user's fault in this.

And no "bitcoin.com" doesn't seem like a set back to me. The thing is not many know the difference between the .com and .org versions.
If they get to know why Satoshi had bought .org then it must be pretty clear that why .org was necessary for bitcoin and not the .com

You should check bitcoin.com website. It has video tutorials to explain what is Bitcoin and how it works. The videos mention "Bitcoin" but guess what, they're explaining Bitcoin cash. So people think they're watching a video about BTC while it's about Btrash. They can't realize it immediately. There are surely a lot of people buying BCH but thinking they're purchasing BTC

They don't mislead people only via bitcoin.com, they also use other channels/platforms

As mentioned previously, the largest problem the new investors face while buying through bitcoin.com is they send the bitcoincash to their bitcoin address. This as is impossible would make the very first transaction of the new user a failure, a scam. It would not only make him/her distrust bitcoin but also every cryptocurrency. If they want to advertise bitcoincash, they should do that in an ethical way. Just say why bitcoincash is better bitcoin and don't confuse people with the addresses.

Its very clear and can be seen that bitcoin.com was created when the going was still smooth between the bitcoin cash founder with bitcoin and believe he can tarnish the image of bitcoin to have a good ride in bch which is not possible and only a newbies will be surprise and join that scam as real btc but those that read and know what real btc is always go against him.

It is indeed they make the site has an option, and force a newbie to choose. But You should realize who backed the website. It is clearly stated in the footer that Rover Ver is the (CEO). We all know how awful he is, and because the site owned by him, he could easily spread false and biased information, to make newbs things BTRASH is the real Bitcoin. A brand new user shouldn't be blamed when they bought the wrong coin since they got biased information.

Most people don't know the differences between those domains, but I believe the .com domain sound more legitimate for a non-techie person. Which I believe it has a high chance to mislead mainstream.

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That's very disingenuous of you to drag Bitcoin down in Bitcoin Cash's level. Or maybe you were lifting Bitcoin Cash up to Bitcoin's level?

Newbies, don't let him confuse you. There's only one Bitcoin. The Bitcoin with the highest hashing power, the Bitcoin with the greatest marketcap value, the Bitcoin that has the largest accumulated POW, the Bitcoin that has the "BTC" ticker.

All the other forked Bitcoin coins are altcoins.



It was the community. Remember UASF. 8)

put your social drama aside. its got nothing to do with faming up cash or faming down core. its about understanding that there is not one. even your own words 'all other forked bitcoins' shows you deep down beneath the social drama still show linkage of 'bitcoin' towards the forks.
by knowing they are forks of. and yes even segwit is a fork of 'bitcoin' 2009-2017. again you know they are forks. and its not to suggest btc is any less popular. its just saying there is not just one.

yes they are altcoins.
analogy: yes canadian dollar is a alt currency of US dollar. yes australian dollar is an alt currency of us dollar. its not suggesting canadian/australian is any better or worse. its just clarifying that the US is not the sole controller of 'dollar'.

you pretending something doesnt exist/didnt happen may help your core loyalty, but doesnt help the millions of people in the world to understand the complexity of the issue

the simplest analogy is the 'bitcoin/dollar' comparison

"UASF" was just a buzzword and a hat logo. the code/implementation method of it didnt actually need community consensus opt-in to activate it. it was a mandatory activation that used/abused 'compatible nodes' and also controlled features like DNS and Fibre. if you really want to get involved in how things technically happened atleast look into it before assuming.


again the mulit community of bitcoin would be a different scenario if things were as a unified consensus network of keeping the commUNITY together (research byzantine generals theory) whereby real consensus is used by making real commUNITY decisions. rather than social drama of 'if you dont like A's rule proposal heres a mandatory aparthied campaign to kick you out' controversial forks

Bitcoin is not going to be the leader forever and nor is bitcoincash. Promoting every crypto is ultimately in favor of every cryptocurrencies and most probably is the best way to fulfill satoshi's dream. But at least we should agree to something like naming and not confuse the new comers.
If someone came to the market for buying bitcoincash but didn't find anything like that and never spent his money on crypto than it would not be a positive signal for crypto progress.

My social drama? Nothing to do with faming down Bitcoin - BTC? Let me quote you.


You live for the social drama, admit it. 8)


That's disingenuous of you to brand Segwit like it was a fork the same as Bitcoin Cash. Segwit is a backwards compatible feature that was a soft fork. It didn't split into another chain, and became an altcoin like Bitcoin Cash.


Thanks, no analogy required. 8)


Newbies, DYOR on the UASF. Learn your history, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/long-road-segwit-how-bitcoins-biggest-protocol-upgrade-became-reality/


What are you even talking about? Haha.

C'est la vie.

Bitcoin.com wasn't available when Satoshi launched Bitcoin. It was inevitably going to be used for someone's private gain if Bitcoin ever gained any traction.

I believe "caveat emptor" is an essential part of free markets. It's unfortunate that newbies are being fleeced on Bitcoin.com but it's not going to change the bigger picture. It's not going to hold Bitcoin back.