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Kleiman v. Wright case 6/28/19 (show cause) hearing likely open...

"court grants motion, pro forma, as expected -- courtroom closed to public; for now, show cause hearing open."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144292443455655937

Follow 'live' @ hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy ...

EDIT: Updated 4th July:

"ROLFCopter - the dude reporting from the Miami courtroom is now a BSV shill."
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1146473229084778497

"No local media, just the "banking in Bitcoin" guys😁"
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144582919199084547

"Ira's team..@VelvelFreedman"
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144585412675063808

"CSW anyone..."
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144586533099454464
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144586862792720384

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EDIT:

..." https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/229/kleiman-v-wright/ … It's closed, isn't it?"...
- https://twitter.com/EmergentReasons/status/1144597166544920577

Deposition = closed hearing
Show Cause = open hearing (most likely)

Oooh this is getting good.

Too bad its not being live streamed.

Keep us up to date with what you find out!

"... "Satoshi" has arrived in court. ..."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1144587366063099904

"Nice parking!" - SWIM  ::)

"Great choice of socks. Being sarcastic."
- https://twitter.com/amadItalian/status/1144590116763197440

Color Psychology & Personality Meaning - Color Red ...
- https://colorpsychologymeaning.com/color-red/

:D  ;D  ;)

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Quick catch-up ...


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More ...
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148607.msg51608805#msg51608805

"Those socks"
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1144612170434371586

In other news ...

Stolen ruby slippers from "Wizard of Oz" found years later - SWIM
- https://youtu.be/KyqDbMOpQa8

::)  :-\  :D

LOL. That's one helluva parking job. And they also parked in a disabled spot... As somebody already tweeted, "he probably qualifies."

"What people don't understand is that those socks are a part of 37 dimensional chess."
- https://twitter.com/cachenode/status/1144622417396019206

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We should all try to be kind, however I don't imagine any genuine disabled badge holders would approve much either.

Dave Kleiman, might of said: "Hey, 'friend', that's my spot!" ? - [citation needed] - SWIM  :(

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EDIT: Updated 4th July:

"ROLFCopter - the dude reporting from the Miami courtroom is now a BSV shill."
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1146473229084778497

"Quick update. Open session, now, Craig is on the stand talking about silk road and Hydra, and CRYING, yes he is CRYING"
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144639191164358656

handwritten notes ...
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144648135760908288

"Update" (video's) ...
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144649027306303488
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144649464927444997

"More notes. Yes I know, handwriting 🤷‍♂️"
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144652480023805953

"This is an amazing thing to watch and hopefully a serious part of history!"
- https://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144652570507583488

"DM me directly for questions as I can't follow the threads,you have15 minutes before I go back in"
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144652723431849985

"I wish I could bring my phone in"
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144652956874215425

"Cross examination is after break 1:30 court has asked no questions yet."
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144653697638653954

"Going back in."
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144655412593123328

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"Save our souls!" ... - SWIM
- https://youtu.be/mLyOj_QD4a4 *NSFW*  ;D

This lady is also in the court room and doing a good job of tweeting key moments:

https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina

"Craig was very emotional and cried a couple times during the hearing"

https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144649657710022658

"Some highlights:
Are you satoshi? - yes
Do you recognize this White Paper? - I wrote it
Why did you leave BTC and disassociated with Satoshi? - My invention was used for bad things *crying*.  They created #silkroad and #hydra. It was used to fund child pornography"

https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144653512527273986

"I was ashamed of my invention"
-Craig S Wright
#faketoshi

https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144660285283864576

"CSW just perjured himself, he has threatening to take Bitcoin to zero on many occasion"
- https://twitter.com/alistairmilne/status/1144650543488524295

 ;D

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"Is that CSW saying he doesn't have the bitcoin addresses?"
- https://twitter.com/TrustNodes/status/1144652869645361158

"Yes and can't get them, impossible"
- https://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144653900613636096

"Reason given?"
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1144654111545204736

EDIT: Updated 4th July:

"ROLFCopter - the dude reporting from the Miami courtroom is now a BSV shill."
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1146473229084778497

"Due to the way it was set up with the trust, Dave using anon sources to exclude Craig from knowing, as instructed by Craig."
- hxxps://twitter.com/thatcryptoguyyy/status/1144655125895688192

"Such nonsense"
- https://twitter.com/roryhighside/status/1144656098642677760

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"CSW just threw in the air a hard version of an exhibit. He is getting emotional😬"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144664561196445696

 :D

"CSW keeps not answering questions regarding the exhibits and respond with a question back. Playing with words a lot. The judge announced 5 minutes break and advices Craig's lawyer to talk to her client about the way he answers questions."
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144666525237940225

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"I wish I could cover every word but electronic devices are prohibited in a court room. I will make a big thread covering the whole hearing later tonigh. Been taking ton of notes."
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144699893849698305

"It's 4:10 and we are still in. CSW side asked to call their witness who flew from U.K. and can't stay in a country any longer. We are running out of time."
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144700237166063617

From Alistair Milne (https://twitter.com/alistairmilne):

https://i.imgur.com/YSo3fuT.png

You should post this twitter link in the W.O., that's gold.

This is Comedy Gold!!!. I don't believed that CSW will go to an extend and cry in the court. But it's too late I guess, the public sentiments won't sway on this favour. So let the drama goes and see what the court says.

Very interesting that Craig Wright admitted that he is Satoshi in front of the judge and then burst into tears? What's with that? It is being his supposedly invention was being taken advantage of? Really? Just Wow.

"..."You throw another document in my courtroom you will be in handcuffs so fast your head will spin" -- Judge Reinhart..."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144664316496535553

"To say that I am fomo'ing a little bit at not being at this hearing is an understatement, but this is a great thread."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144688902474780674

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Thread:

"Craig Wright, the self-professed inventor of bitcoin, is testifying today in a West Palm Beach federal courtroom about why he hasn't been able to produce the public addresses of the bitcoin he's mined over the years."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144649963311456256  <<<<<

"This is a recurring theme. Wright says he doesn't recognize several documents, and Kleiman's counsel points out that his side is the one that produced them."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144681334637547520

"Blood on the floor. This ain't gonna end well for Wright."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144689910466654210

"..."Wright: "You have put forth documents I don't recognize." Freedman: "Documents you produced in discovery."..."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144681044060364801

"Kleiman's counsel @VelvelFreedman: "A company you didn't buy until 2014 is listed as a beneficiary of a trust you claim to have created in 2012?"..."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144680748445831168

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"You can't cry on direct and then be a jackass on cross."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144690106063888385

"This."
https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144695007879860224

"So this is where sanctions and contempt might start to come into play."
https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144695221151764480

"Judge: "So since 2016 you have known that you didn't have access to these files and wouldn't have access until 2020? And you knew this in February 2019, and March 2019?"..."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144693211476221953

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"Remember, this entire hearing is about whether wright complied with discovery obligations and a court order."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144695450651582464

"The judge is nailing down what wright knew, when."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144695576140943360

"My read from afar is that as expected Wright is fu*ked."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144696358714130433

"Playing out pretty much as expected."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144696723568304130

"forgive the language but it's hard to understate how completely fu*ked this guy is."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144697520725143552

"To put in in perspective, when you get yelled at by a federal judge and threatened with handcuffs in a contempt hearing after a court supervised re-opened depo and your lawyers are told to instruct you to answer questions, it's not going well for you."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144699341803835392

"I don't really care about BSV or not BSV and have zero interest in price action. I'm just telling you it's funny anyone thinks this guy has a good plan."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144699740807991298

Meanwhile @CalvinAyre is most concerned about climate change ...

"there is no question that climate change is real and that the world is sorely LACKING in leadership."
- https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1144677608803713024

"I think you should worry about this instead of climate change...."
- https://twitter.com/hodlmecoin/status/1144695959831633920

- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/self-proclaimed-bitcoin-inventor-says-fortune-inaccessible

"started leaving Bitcoin in August 2010. I no longer wanted to use the Satoshi name."
- https://twitter.com/PJM_Says/status/1144660038570717185

"Satoshi did not leave Bitcoin in August 2010, but in December 2010. I think there's even private email communication known from early 2011."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1144703024180412416

 ::)

"Mining - I was the only miner until block 74 or 2 days in"
- https://twitter.com/PJM_Says/status/1144682040979337216

"Incorrect. Blocktime is 10 minutes, this would have been halfway day 1. However, Genesis block took 6 days so this would have been on day 7."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1144705381089906688

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"I believe that to save my soul I must do everything I can to make that bitcoin worth as much as possible. I have a structure set with my wife to use the funds to donate to the education of the poorest 1bn people on the planet."
- https://twitter.com/PJM_Says/status/1144683350172549120

"Bullsh*t. Many times Craig Wright threatened to dump it, to kill $BCH and $BTC projects with it."
- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1144706250900459520

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"Me following the Craig Wight updates from Miami"
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1144683541902422016

 :D

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"I can't say from afar what is gonna happen but I will be surprised if he's not at the very least ordered to pay fees."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144702960913588224

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"Kleiman's counsel has rested. We're on a break now before we go to redirect. This definitely will not be over today. They're trying to finish up with Wright but will have to come back another day for testimony from expert witnesses."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144705472487940096

Well, no doubt the above accounts will continue to detail the days fallout and events.

BitcoinFX - signing-off (or not, as the case may BTCe) ...

- https://youtu.be/zcSlcNfThUA  ;)

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"𝙆𝙡𝙚𝙞𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙫 𝘾𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙜 𝙒𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 Artist’s rendering of the proceedings since cameras are not allowed. Part 1 (Part 2 below)"
- https://twitter.com/CryptoBrekkie/status/1144696675342012416 *NSFW*

 :D ;D

Part 2
- https://twitter.com/CryptoBrekkie/status/1144696676474478592 *NSFW*

 :D ;D

ROTFLSHMSFOAIDMT

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"I don't believe Craig Wright is #Satoshi But Craig Wright believes he is. He has been acting in this role for so long he has become Satoshi. At least in his own mind. Craig is Bitcoin's 'The talented Mr Ripley' "
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1144718946278490113

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Blood On The Motorway - SWIM
- https://youtu.be/5OsKz2uKOYE?t=176

That guy filming chose the wrong side. He wished good luck to CSW and faketoshi kept on going and ignoring. When people say hi to me I talk back and if they wished him good luck the least he could do was nod. If you didn't spot an asshole in that video just by looking at those short pants and red socks you had to easily do it by watching the moves.

There's something repulsive about this person in all he does in the way he speaks and the way he carries himself.

Watching the tweet/forum coverage here I'm actually starting to think that CSW is a puppet on Jimmy/Calvin's strings at this point.

Somebody found this gem from Wright's old Twitter before he shut it down:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-LpzEgWwAA0bqS.jpg

That's a real tweet. And it raises questions:

1. So Wright's crying was not the "real" him and an act?
2. Why did he choose a gif of a Nazi about to have his head bashed in to identify with?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/da022ba3792e2486459abf1dc53864ec/tenor.gif

sounds more like hal finneys experience. not satoshi's.. i guess CSW is reading the wrong quotes and forgetting who he is suppose to pretend to be

I'm wondering about 1 thing.

What is his excuse for not being able to sign any message with satoshi's private keys? I mean it would be so easy to prove ownership he must have given a reason for that. But I couldn't find anything valid...

Supposedly he destroyed all the keys to the publicly known coins, and had Dave split the rest with anonymous people and have them send the keys once the tulip trust expired or something like that.

So instead of sending all these coins to a random public address and keeping the private keys to prove ownership, he destroyed these.

That makes so much sense.

I wonder if he actually believes he can pull this off...

I cannot begin to describe (although I most certainly shall), the dire inconsistencies presented within the following article;

- https://coingeek.com/dr-craig-s-wright-appears-in-us-federal-court-testifies-he-is-satoshi-nakamoto/

Specifically this;

... "On the stand, Wright continued that the original Bitcoin did not use the concept of public addresses as people perceive them today; instead, it relied on public-private pairs, with the private keys needed to spend the coins. Today, people incorrectly perceive a public address similar to a bank account number, where coin holders accumulate Bitcoin and then spend from that address. The original Bitcoin system created by Wright was never meant to incorporate a system of reusable public addresses where people can see how much Bitcoin is accumulating in a single public address that is re-used; instead, a new key pair (and thus a new address) was intended to be created for every transaction in order to provide users a new privacy model. Wright testified that this is explained in the Bitcoin white paper (section 10, Privacy).

After Wright withdrew from the Bitcoin project, the public address on the Bitcoin ledger became incorrectly misunderstood and then misused by developers in what would become known as the Bitcoin Core (BTC) project. Thus, at the time Wright was mining Bitcoin for his company in 2009 and 2010 and under Wright’s original Bitcoin design, there was no need to keep the public addresses as people understand them now; instead, at the time, the seed or private keys were all that would be needed or stored.

Wright was requested to provide the public Bitcoin addresses that reportedly hold a significant amount of assets—possibly reaching into the billions of dollars. He testified in court that he’s more than willing to turn over the information if he could, but that the information necessary to generate the list of public addresses is locked in an encrypted file, with multiple keys protecting different layers of the file. At earliest, the first layers of the encrypted file cannot be opened until at least January 2020. Wright explained that the encrypted file contains the relevant seed and his proprietary algorithm that can generate the private keys for Bitcoin mined by his company in 2009 and 2010, which would allow him to generate the associated public keys and public addresses that most crypto fans are used to seeing today." ...

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Firstly, I'm someone who genuinely mined Bitcoin (BTC) in early 2010. Proof is here (my own Signed and Verified 'old' wallet);

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066

To the best of my knowledge, all Bitcoin wallet versions have always generated corresponding public and private key pairs for newly mined blocks.

When CPU mining in 2010, any new 50 BTC block found by the wallet (as also presented in my old wallet's TX ID's), would be automatically 'credited' to the new public key (public address) with the corresponding private key. That is how it works, obviously.

I mean come on! It's in the blockchain, starting with the Genesis Block, onwards ...

Block 0 (Genesis Block) ...
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block-height/0
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/4a5e1e4baab89f3a32518a88c31bc87f618f76673e2cc77ab2127b7afdeda33b <<<<< TX ID
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa  <<<<< Public Address

Block 1
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block-height/1
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/0e3e2357e806b6cdb1f70b54c3a3a17b6714ee1f0e68bebb44a74b1efd512098
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX

Block 2
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block-height/2
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/000000006a625f06636b8bb6ac7b960a8d03705d1ace08b1a19da3fdcc99ddbd
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/9b0fc92260312ce44e74ef369f5c66bbb85848f2eddd5a7a1cde251e54ccfdd5
- https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1HLoD9E4SDFFPDiYfNYnkBLQ85Y51J3Zb1

Etc., etc.,

As the supposed creator of Bitcoin (BTC), to not have an exacting knowledge of precisely which blocks (let alone any or some blocks) that you did in fact mine is highly likely a total and complete fallacy.

At best: You didn't mine what you claim to have mined (i.e. someone else mined those blocks).

At worst: Not your keys, Not your coins.

We are still waiting for this proof. Thus far, we have only seen evidence to the contrary.

Note that the highlighted text is effectively asserting public key generation of the corresponding private keys for public addresses that are already in the blockchain. That appears to be convoluted and in terms of Bitcoin is most certainly ridiculous.

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Furthermore ...

"How harmful would it be for the ecosystem if CW actually gains access to the nearly 1MM coins he and Kleiman mined in 2010?"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1145063539138355201

"None of that actually happened. To the extent that CSW has pointed towards public addresses in support of his claims, they've been demonstrated to belong to other parties, and he probably just grabbed them from some misguided "rich" list of addresses. So, no risk whatsoever."
- https://twitter.com/jmcorgan/status/1145064562288287744

"There has been zero evidence that he owns any early keys. There has been a lot of evidence of faking documents and claiming addresses that don’t belong to him."
- https://twitter.com/girevik_/status/1145068705342038016

"No risk. CSW does not have the keys. Not your keys, not your coins."
- https://twitter.com/tipton/status/1145066513247952896
"Data not public = not science. Method not public = not science. Blockchain's a linked list. Only known useful application is Bitcoin. Language & Logic."

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“Craig Wright is a Liar and A Fraud” Says Real Owner of Bitcoin Address Submitted by Wright
- https://news.bitcoin.com/craig-is-a-liar-early-adopter-proves-ownership-of-bitcoin-address-claimed-by-craig-wright/
- https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/craig-wright-is-a-liar-and-a-fraud-says-real-owner-of-bitcoin-address-submitted-by-wright/

Kleiman v Craig Wright: The bitcoins that never were
https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoins.html

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That's some really deep bullshit right here.

How did he fund these addresses in the first place if he didn't have the pub key?

This is getting really laughable. Are the guys in court that naive?!

I presume they're wondering who the fuck these people are and what the fuck they're all playing at. That goes for the Kleiman too. I wonder if there's been a bigger waste of time and effort in recent times than this crap.

Sounds like Craigh Wright is getting shred into pieces in the courtroom and he is clearly falling apart. Best possible outcome is that he will cry another time and retract all his statements and just admit to the real truth. The best thing about courtroom battles is that if the other side or even the judge caught you in a lie you know that you are one stop closer in losing this fight and one or two more breakdowns is all it needs for his mouth to slip in another lie.

But if he gets sued by the Kleiman estate he wont have more money then those african countries he claimed he does during that conference saying it up on stage. :-[
I think he was crying because the judge told him if he comes in with documents one more time he would have him arrested and put in cuffs. Or was it because now kleimans brother can sue him for $10billion dollars of the lost bitcoins?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-inventor-craig-wright-cries-193525942.html
or here
https://www.ccn.com/crypto/bitcoin-inventor-craig-wright-cries-in-court-amid-10-billion-crypto-lawsuit/2019/06/28/
All news media are covering this story as it does not end well for this guy and people do not care for him because of his arrogance. :-\

https://twitter.com/matthewryancase/status/1117154785298223104

 ;)  Keep up the good work BitcoinFX :)

There are known IRC logs of HAL's and 'Satoshi' IP addresses ...

Whois Satoshi? Known Satoshi IP addresses? ...
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155191.msg51500942#msg51500942

One can seemingly be easily associated with a New Libertarian meeting hot spot via the Cypherpunk mailing list ...

HINT: None of which are remotely close to a cow shed in Bagnoo, Australia !

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I'm supposed to be working on useful privacy, anonymity and circumvention things to help protect folks in this overreaching digital age and instead I too am consumed with these falsehoods and apparent patent trolls.

A long-term conspiracy to malign Bitcoin appears to be present. The Bitcoin world is full of 'high place liars', at the expense of others.

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I'm this guy ...

Re: Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.msg188#msg188

Do you readers know how many members of the media, press or researchers have tried to contact me or my account in the last 10 years ?

One, who just wanted to know about pizza's !

Do you know how many members of the media, press or researchers I would speak with about any of this now ?

That's right; zip, nil, none, nada, zero.

I mean come on!, I don't even know anything about Bitcoin anyway. EDIT: I've just possibly forgotten more than most might remember !

oh wow, i thought stephen palley was just making some metaphor about crying. i can't believe the dude actually cried in court! ;D

this is from coindesk:

bahahahaha! ;D

choice retweet of the day: (https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144697520725143552)

i was so looking forward to the day when this guy would just start unraveling. we've finally arrived!

Because he’s not the real Satoshi and now facing a criminal case, well the table has turned around against him its now to know the truth. We have to forget about Craig when he reaches the jail. This is going to become the topic world wide, and Craig will soon seek for another sympathy. 

This is really getting 'interesting' (for want of a better phrase) ...

"Litigation is narrative. The narrative frame in the Wright case right now isn't whether he is Satoshi or if Kleiman is entitled to what he claims. It's whether Wright committed contempt and/or should be sanctioned. The hearing yesterday was about his litigation conduct."
- https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1144937567256829953

"In order for Craig to "lose" the Kleinman case he must be Satoshi Nakamoto and have written the white paper and invented #Bitcoin. This fact seems to not be understood by Craig deniers who are also cheering for him to lose this case. Does this make them stupid?"
- https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1145130758664798209

:D

"More strong evidence to add to the overwhelming evidence already public that #CraigisSatoshi. Anyone contesting this is involved in a scam of some sort that Craig would be against."
- https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1145009549407150080

"What ?" - SWIM

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Seriously though. This now goes one of two ways, forgetting the Kleinman case, the crypto industry is somewhat at an impasse until this is all resolved IMHO. Either way these folks are effectively holding the crypto markets to 'ransom' and this is entirely wrong. This action / inaction is stifling development and progress within this space.

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So, ...

Bitcoin ‘Inventor’ Craig Wright Claims He Can’t Access Coins in Court Testimony
- https://thebitcoinnews.com/bitcoin-inventor-craig-wright-claims-he-cant-access-coins-in-court-testimony/

Bloomberg: Craig Wright Does Not Have Access to Bitcoin Fortune
- https://cointelegraph.com/news/bloomberg-craig-wright-does-not-have-access-to-bitcoin-fortune
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/self-proclaimed-bitcoin-inventor-says-fortune-inaccessible

If I were the judge, at this next juncture I'd be asking CSW to demonstrate exactly how, when and where the Bitcoin (BTC) Genesis block was created.

In fact, I'd go as far as to insist on a full demonstration and/or recreation of the event(s). Being witnessed by expert cryptographers ...

I mean, "Satoshi Nakamoto" can build (re-create) the Genesis Block, right ?  ;)

...


- https://youtu.be/YkADj0TPrJA

:D

"Yes. Sure. We can wait, 6 days ..." - SWIM

- https://youtu.be/eY-eyZuW_Uk
"The possession of anything begins in the mind." - Bruce Lee

:-X

I can't speak for others but I've understood this from the very beginning. A verdict against him insinuates that he may be Satoshi. He won't lose the lawsuit, but he could still lose in a juicy variety of other ways...


You really deserve more praise for what you've managed to unveil thus far.

@ BitcoinFX.

This is true looking back at the 0.01v ALPHA it's clearly there in main.cpp under the //mapKeys


and //mapWallet sections


This is the very first code base for bitcoin he is claiming it was not supposed to be part of it but it's in the ALPHA release what he is trying to do is bamboozle the court.

for a long time he claims things like  "the blockchain is the ultimate proof"   and " the ledger can't lie" & " We can check the blockchain"
Yet now he is trying to tell us he didn't want a ledger or publickeys or anyway to see the funds?

I hope he likes prison food :)

how is the industry at an impasse? this suit doesn't seem to affect any big industry players nor anyone remotely close to bitcoin development. what makes you think this is affecting the markets? the chart looks like typical bull market behavior to me.

the kleiman case is just a big spectacle and the market knows it.

I trust that you are familiar with the current libel cases from CSW against members of the Bitcoin community and/or the patents being presented by CSW / nChain, as well as the potential ramifications of successfully enforcing these said patents?

Also consider the reason that both the BCH and the BSV forks exist is not just because of the block size debate, but also due to folks following CSW by proclaiming to be "Satoshi Nakamoto", although without providing tangible or definitive evidence (to date).

Forking a blockchain and trading it against its base is not Bitcoin, especially under seemingly false pretences.

Satoshi even made an original bitcointalk post describing forking Bitcoin as being problematic (will add it here when located).

I was under the impression that none of these are serious legal threats. I've only been following the Craig Wright saga very loosely, but I recall seeing some legal analysis suggesting his suits were frivolous.

As for the patents, what do you think he'll accomplish?

+ MERIT

Lets revisit that ...


To clarify (in Bitcoin);

Public Keys are Public Addresses.

Said "proprietary algorithm" could be used to spend anyone's bitcoin's ... i.e. it's most likely total BS.

Correct for the main part.

Re: patents ...

I'm not a lawyer, although in certain responses, instances or jurisdiction's perhaps absolutely nothing or potentially total chaos.

The irony is that under certain enforcement it perhaps won't even matter if he is Satoshi Nakamoto or not. In theory nChain could persist without CSW, for example.

It is however a hideous move against Bitcoin, being originally released as Open Source software/code under the MIT license and being continually maintained/developed (by others) on that basis for the last 10 or so years.

Patent trolls are patent trolls. Time will tell.

Currently looking at CSW's claims in regards to leaving Bitcoin because of Silk Road etc.,

Here is a recent post of mine that was deleted from the moderated BSV thread in the alt. boards of this forum ...


Wondering if anyone knows of any links (even tenuous) between this fellow, CSW and/or Calvin Ayre ?

Basically, it seems quite remarkable to myself that DT was available so soon after Bitcoin's release.

"Part 1. Cryptography Mailing List https://bit.ly/2RkaSZK  > 8 Jan 2009 - Satoshi announces Bitcoin v0.1 > 19 Jan 2009 - Stefan Kelm posts an article which happens to mention Craig Wright and David Kleiman in relation to a book they co-wrote > 20 Jan 2009 - David responds"
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1141305547158724608

"Part 2. What are the odds? > David Kleiman was not a regular poster on the list. > Craig Wright is mentioned in the article > David alerts Craig and lets him know there is an article on the list that mentions their names. > Craig has a look. He notices Bitcoin!"
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1141305556906364928

Part 3. Craig meets Bitcoin for the first time? > Only 12 days separate Bitcoin v0.1, DK and CSW being mentioned in a random post. > Bit uncanny, right? > Is this first time CSW & DK are introduced to Bitcoin?
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1141305574476304386

"Part 4. Dave's activity on the Cryptography mailing list This is all I could find, just 6 posts IMO: Dave wasn't on the list that day because of the release of Bitcoin v0.1 He was there because a colleague alerted him to the post by Stefan and he in turn alerted Craig."
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1141312642369241088

- https://twitter.com/zndtoshi/status/1141793842284433410   :D   ;D

 ::)

...

Plot thickens !?! ...

"Cryptoloc - a document and data storage system based on cryptographic proof - Craig Wright was involved, he is on the patent Securit-e-doc - a document and data storage system based on cryptographic proof - Dave Kleiman was involved Why is Craig Wright not taking about this?"
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1145109694198898689

"I don't think Craig had much to do with the design of Cryptoloc, and I suspect it's based upon Securit-e-doc. I suspect DK helped Craig design it and Craig may even still owe DK for services rendered"
- https://twitter.com/jimmy007forsure/status/1145118194195034112

 ::)

Read also the 'other' side

https://coingeek.com/dr-craig-s-wright-appears-in-us-federal-court-testifies-he-is-satoshi-nakamoto/

I've never seen that much biased hobby journalism and pre-judjng before.

But there is a plot - sure

I'd be willing to read anywhere, literally anywhere, that is not that site. Even Craigy's teenage diaries would be less of a fever dream. That site is sub worthless.

I think you will find that we have already covered the inconsistencies within that article in this very thread ...

see:
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159516.msg51651952#msg51651952
and:
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159516.msg51662035#msg51662035

...

Which is seemingly about as legitimate as this ... - SWIM
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124203.msg51669976#msg51669976

I find it way easier to make no own Research, but rather follow this legend

https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1144693989230051328

/s
 ;D

Are you insinuating or requesting me to produce a list of Public Addresses for the Transaction ID's I posted to verify myself and my account ?

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159516.msg51651952#msg51651952

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066

Tweet you linked ...
"Reinhart: Why can’t you produce the list of Bitcoin addresses? Faketoshi: Why can’t YOU produce the list of addresses? Call me when Faketoshi tells Reinhart he has more money than the USA."
- https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1144693989230051328

...

Unlike, '#Faketoshi', I can of course sign and verify any message required (by law or of my own volition) from my 'old' wallet.

Moreover, the TX ID's can be used to located the minded blocks addresses i.e. the Public Addresses (the Public Keys) on the actual Bitcoin blockchain (as well as the forked 'copies' of the original BTC chain i.e. BCH and/or BSV), because this was mined (and spent) long before the forks.

Now go here ...
How to be a "Faketoshi", better than any other "Faketoshi" !?!
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148607.0

...

"Looking at the Tulip Trust declaration, I count 6 trustees plus maybe 2 or 3 PGP IDs. How can #Faketoshi make an 8/15 multisig with only 8 or 9 keys? 😅"
- https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1144805140349612032

...

Tip Toe Thru The Tulips 1929
- https://youtu.be/0-MPTrWJ1uM

...

Thread:

"Craig Wright, the self-professed inventor of bitcoin, is testifying today in a West Palm Beach federal courtroom about why he hasn't been able to produce the public addresses of the bitcoin he's mined over the years."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144649963311456256

"So the judge took over questioning here. Wright explained that he gave some keys to Dave Kleiman and directed him to give them to bonded couriers. Some of the keys won't be made available until 2020."
- https://twitter.com/CarolinaBolado/status/1144692953853698048

Delivery address ?!?

:D

...

*Satire*

Terminator: Dark Fate - Official Teaser Trailer (2019) - Paramount Pictures *NSFW*
- https://youtu.be/jCyEX6u-Yhs

Whilst we await said future bonded courier delivery by Sarah Connor IBC [citation needed], lets ask CSW to recreate the Genesis Block, you know just for the expedited fun of it - SWIM

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159516.msg51661467#msg51661467

:D  ::)  ;D

*More Satire* ...

"Have you ever been pulled over while walking? #watchlist"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144567348520787969

"14/ Side note: I really felt bad for the stenographer, when they were going through tech staff. It was hilarious when he asked how to spell @GitHub"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144831168367550464

Bob Marley - 'Get Up' Stand Up (Live)
- https://youtu.be/JLYOOezs3DA

:D

"19/ Around 4 pm, apparently one of Craig’s representatives read my tweets and reported to the judge. After another break I was invited back to the court room for a, “talk.” #russianspy"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1144831173425881088

Regina Spektor - "Us"
- https://youtu.be/fczPlmz-Vug

...

"All the exhibits will be public in a couple of days!"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1145189933881155585

"CSW's lawyer facepalmed when Craig said "F word" during the cross-examination. It was quite hillarious. #CryptoTwitter"
- https://twitter.com/KatieAnanina/status/1145484901543796738

...

**Even More ... 100% Satire** - SWIM

(HQ) Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels- Rory Breaker (Nick the Greek)
- https://youtu.be/TRYE5gPoI8A *NSFW* *Meme*

**Threats or libel not intended or expressed herein.** - SWIM

...

"The pen is mightier than the milkshake"
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1145406087853694977

...

"It's interesting that the people who believe that throwing a milkshake in someone's face shouldn't be considered assault are often the same people who believe that 'saying things' should be."
- https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1145302122205982721

"Whatever side you're on politically, 'left' or 'right', you don't need violent factions joining you or representing you. They bring your cause into disrepute. They don't even care about your cause, they're just in it for the violence. Denounce them."
- https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1145603935341821952

...

"No laws were broken in the taking of this photo. ..."
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1145846920738496512

Peace!

Thread moved from Bitcoin Discussion to Off-topic 'cover-up' boards by forum 'mods.' ... not even to the Legal section. LOLZ.

Does anyone know when the hearing is set to resume?

..."Wright concluded his testimony yesterday, but there is still a lot left to cover in the case. The evidentiary hearing on the discovery issue is expected to resume again, but not until August. This is only to decide a limited issue in the case (whether Wright can or cannot provide the list of public addresses requested by Kleiman). The full issues in the case will not be decided until other proceedings, and ultimately trial in March 2020."
- hxxps://coin geek.com/dr-craig-s-wright-appears-in-us-federal-court-testifies-he-is-satoshi-nakamoto/

Lawyers and the courts always seemingly like to drag these kind of proceedings on for as long as possible.

Helps to to keep the people down and maintain 'justice' for all, (oh and of course the Laywers can make 'good' money too) ... - SWIM

"ROLFCopter - the dude reporting from the Miami courtroom is now a BSV shill."
- https://twitter.com/PeterMcCormack/status/1146473229084778497

"This is an obvious case how BcashSV pays people to shill. 22nd Century Crypto @thatcryptoguyyy was at Florida court posing with a @hodlonaut sign-There he met Craig's Toy Boy Jimmy N & now he is shilling BcashSV & giving away free BSV if u set up a wallet & organizing a meet-up🖕"
- https://twitter.com/CryptoScamHub/status/1146460895482134528

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qLI3VIHuKU

Gavin claims Craig signed in his presence block 1,  Yet his claims are not he cannot sign and has no access to the keys today.
Now if this is the case it would have been impossible for this to have happened back then if now today he claims that he has none of the keys and they are slip with shamirs secret sharing.

His claims of "Bonded" delivery's of keys are still to happen must be fake his claims now in court do not sit with the previous history of events he created.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_Secret_Sharing

He Claims he cannot access blocks > 70

Do not beleive what is PoSM

For those who may be interested, I just got finished reading the ENTIRE transcript of Craig's court case (https://www.docdroid.net/5LZMLHb/06-28-19-ber-kleiman.pdf) and wrote up a summary of it in my BSV scam accusation thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg51728883#msg51728883

Why this thread is in off topic section?? This is probability the most Bitcoin topic related thread for the past year and it ended up in the section where almost nobody (from the regular members) visit. Better move it to the Serious discussion of the Ivory tower if you don't what it to be in the bitcoin discussion.

Seems the mod's moved it I would agree it's one of those moments that could either tarnish bitcoin or push it back to the spot light (all be it for the wrong reasons)
I would say mod's should move this back to a more relevant section.

While I find all of this very entertaining I do not regard it as Bitcoin related AT ALL.

No doubt Craigy will sue me if he reads this.

It may relate a bit in terms of the mining and coins controlled by Calvin Thingy but that's no big deal in the great scheme of things either.

I can feel Your frustration and I do agree with You.

But what You state counts for many here and in general, the public.

In science and legal matters, you need to provide proof and facts.

This is indisputable way to proof to be Satoshi Nakamoto, that is:
1) to sign with the well known PGP key 0x18C09E865EC948A1
2) to sign with the private key of the genesis or broadcast a message with the genesis.
3) to replicate the process of the generation of the hardcoded hash inside bitcoin v0.1 source
4) a notary depot (notarial minutes) of the white paper before publication on the internet.

It is clear that a lot of people do like to create mood.

I made a claim before the judge in a signed letter, I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

If there is someone else here who feel the need to do the same claim, well You all known the court address by now
to do the same statement before the judge.

I had no other choice to act on the false claims of Craig Wright. Because for sure, he would use the court case to shout
to the world, he is Satoshi Nakamoto, because nobody else did react.

But let's face it.

A lot of people do fill in the facts or reality with their own perceptions, beliefs, desires, dreams or assumptions.

The fact that so many people did belief Craig Wright is to me really proof, most humans are slave of politics, marketing techniques and propaganda.

Not to forget, a lot of people like to make statements, such as...this is false, this is nonsense.. or even troll ! Lower the other people, to defend, promote their own vision.

Well, that is ONE reason I did leave this board and I prefered to stay in the shadows.

For sure I still remember the first weeks, when I did defend my project on the internet.

And You know what ?! A cripled genius was the one who supported me...
Who had respect for me, at that time, I was a student. Who did listen in a scientific way to me.
Who did explain to me, the FORMAT of a white paper. And who did review my white paper.
Who did write my first prototype in C despite the fact he had a lot of pain.

THAT man, had the vision I did like. The open source mentality. To share. To help each other.
To respect each other. To talk with arguments. Not to lower Your brother or sister, because
some like to defend their ego. To show how smart, great they are. To dominate others.

No. That man, Harold Finney, he was a scientist and he was like a dad to me at that time.

And he was my firewall to others.
Ask Gavin. He only did speak a few times with me. I did speak (chtr, mail) with Harold.

Be sure, my mails to Harold were PGP signed. Why You think my pgp key was known by the PGP Foundation.
Look up the wayback archive of the pages and You will notice my pgp key.

You know.

If they make an idol of you, be sure, one day, they try to make you a fool, a joker.
From hero to zero.

However, Truth always prevails. You can not hide anything from the Records.

As written... He has the keys to the realm that lies beyond the reach of human perception; none knows them but He. And He knows what is on the land and in the sea; there is not a leaf which falls that He does not know about and there is not a grain in the darkness of the earth or anything green or dry which has not been recorded in a Clear Book.


Really, most of You do not have an idea who I am. How it really did happen. How I do live.

I know, some do know I am the real man. When I defended myself, some of them used my own words. Did try to twist my vision. Did try to promote their own
vision, goals in this project. To promote their own agenda as well, or worse, their own favorite altcoin.

And all this, done, with belief. Just belief, but no hard provided proof.

Well, one thing is for sure. I had the balls to write to the judge and make my claim.

So this means that one (or more) of those staments are valid :

1) I am a fool, a lunatic, a wanna-bee who takes a huge risk
2) I am sure Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto
3) I know him (Satoshi Nakamoto) personally
4) I am sure Satoshi Nakamoto is dead.
5) I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

I hope the story of Craig Wright learns humankind, not to belief pretty words, people in nice suits.
That humankind stops to idolize people. To listen to people who present themselves as leaders of
others. But in fact, most people forget, they are all unique and special and able to do great things.

Stop to look to leaders and idols. Stop to lower people. You all forget, the first weeks
I did present the blockchain/bitcoin idea, most did mock with me, from the beginning. And I am sure,
when I digitally sign, some will persist in that attitude because they are jealous or they have a low selfesteem.
For ego.


Do have respect for others as anybody is special, unique and has the way to change this world
to a better place.

All the Best,


Satoshin