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I've participated in so many bounty campaigns and invested on some tokens coming from ICO, but I notice that so many of these projects are not or stopped updating their Bitcointalk announcement thread but they are so active in their telegram channel.

Do you think this is good for a project in general, let's admit it, Bitcointalk topics always shows up in search engine like Google while on telegram you have to scroll a lot or wait for an answer and they are missing up some potential investors who first look on Bitcointalk for project that they want to invest in..

They just ran away with the money they raised. These scam project members reamain active till the last date of ICO and suddenly disappear. Most of them deleting their social media accounts and leaving any discussion they are involved in. They no more care about reputation or getting flagged. They have achieved what they want and would repeat the same with some new IDs, website and a modified whitepaper.

About projects bitcointalk announcement thread ,their are some active coins that don't bother to update on bitcointalk announcement thread anymore ,that doesnt mean they are dead but other social media channel update is a must, like telegram for example ,it must be very active always and updating investors of upcoming progression

If a  project stop updating their channels its a RED FLAG

maybe some people are too lazy to do that, they only discuss on telegram and only occasionally open threads at bitcointalk, but, as long as the team is still active. that's not a problem.
but it is better if the thread is always updated, so that it looks professional in its work.

@OP - let's admit it that there are many investors that no longer rely on bitcointalk and I would not be surprised if these teams see little benefits in maintaining their thread here. Another thing is that it is hard to be at page 1 on the ANN section without doing some (dirty) tricks.

I agree with this. Most ANN thread for Crypto projects are for formality sake with most Investors not on this forum. Some crypto projects have migrated to discord and telegram so there is no need to be monitoring or replying the BTT thread. Except for bounties Which are majorly on this forum, most ANN are virtually empty with no comment over the years.

For ICO's projects starters Bitcointalk forum is just a free tool to raise Easy money, After they guarantee money possession in their pockets they trash away the Tool and ofc they do same thing for investors.
I hope investors will stop funding ICO's scam, check out CMC all ICOs tokens are between 70 - 90% under initial ico price and same will happen to IEO. 

I don't think there is anything wrong with not updating the bitcointalk thread. There are many successful projects which don't find the time doing so again, but yet they are active in their respective groups be it Telegram or Discord.
I think the most important thing is for the team to be active, delivering what was promised while adding value to the platform.

I never really thought about it until reading this thread but you are right. I do trust projects that are much more actively involved on all fronts. the ones that show up and then ghost out shouldn't be trustworthy what so ever

agree with you I think it's not good to always update about the bitcointalk project renewal because it will have an impact on the project that many people will see to attract investors differently than projects that are only active on telegram but not updated on bitcointalk

in my opinion it is not a problem and will be fine as long as the team is still active in telegram or social media and of course the project has progress, because investors will invest if the project is good and profitable, so you don't need to be afraid if the project you are investing have never been active or updated on Bitcointalk, because most importantly the team is still active in telegram or social media to provide information about the project and in my opinion investors will still invest in the project even though the team has never been active and updated about the project on Bitcointalk, because investors are more interested to investing in projects that have teams is active on telegram or social media to be able to communicate and ask questions directly with the team.

It maybe they find telegram more convenience and a platform where a lot of investors frequent. Lately, I have seen a project has thousands of followers on its telegram where they can interact with management team directly. I think in bounty talk thread, it takes long time for project team to respond. So telegram has become popular for promoting a project.

Of course initial reaction will be why? As you have said Bitcointalk is the best community other crypto related stuff. So if they do stop or not updated their thread by very busy on their telegram group then something fishy might be going on from behind. This community will scrutinized everything and maybe they are afraid that someone will saw what they are doing, i.e. running a project scam. So it will be hard for them to change the perception of the community, hence they just decided to promote it in telegram wherein they can easily 'deceived' investors and later pull a exit scam.

Of course it's not good. Do you know about mb8coin? It was thought to be a gem for this year but the truth is the DEV are real shit and not anymore updating the ANN while they earlier promised to list in exchange.

Bitcointalk is basically like a place for crypto lovers and even the legends were here so I guess if a project doesn't update their thread for this community I would agree that it's either they are a scam or the project didn't work as planned, however we have to consider that some are legit but not updating due to many workloads for its developments, this is just my insight about this topic, and you?

They must continuously update their bitcointalk thread because lots of investors are also here in forum, well most project that don't update their thread are mostly scams like athero who already run away with the peoples money. However there's also some projects that are actively updating telegram, social media etc but still it's a must to update their thread.

A token or project not updating their Bitcointalk ANN thread isn't an Issue, rather the issue is, if there is no activity in their support groups etc.
Most successful project don't even have ANN thread while most that had a successful Public sale no longer update their thread but are delivering as promised, thus to me that's what matters. All investors wants is good products and services that will add value to their investment or holdings..

for 90% of the projects (and 100% of the fund raising scams) the purpose of the bitcointalk announcement topic is to advertise it temporarily and rise the most amount of funds by fooling the most number of people. then as soon as they get their money they have no more incentive to come to bitcointalk and waste their time by communicating with others, updating their topic, or basically do anything else to the project since they have been paid and cashed out!
they simply abandon everything and move on enjoying the free money they received.

Looks like the OP is not saying about fraudulent ICOs. The projects mentioned are still alive and in development, but their teams are mostly active on Telegram not on Bitcointalk. The OP is wondering why they publish news on the messenger channel and do not update their ANN thread here.

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Undoubtedly, Bitcointalk is the world's most popular forum regarded to Bitcoin and other crypto currencies. This is a convenient platform for discussing any questions about trading, investing, gambling, etc. But the Bitcointalk forum is not a chat.

You correctly noticed that Bitcointalk is followed by robots and indexed by Google and other search engines, so people can easily find the project they interested in and come here simply by clicking on the link.

Many potential investors read the Bitcointalk forum every day, so the teams that run ICO/IEO/STO campaigns are very active in their Bitcointalk announcement thread in order to attract investments and reach a soft cap and hard cap. Each thread is buried fairly quickly, so the team and the bounty manager post announcements very often. After that, they develop their product and communicate with the project community mostly chatting via messengers like Telegram.

In my opinion, not updating their Bitcointalk thread after a successful ICO is not very good for the project in general. Teams should update their ANN thread at least every 3 months. In this case, the forum community will be informed that the project is alive, promising and worthy of additional investments.

I don't think updating a projects thread determines its success, although it adds to the publicity of the project too. In my own view, what matters is if the team are able to offer something tangible that will make the project Valuable, if yes then there is no problem. There are many who have bitcointalk thread but yet failed and there are many who don't yet succeded.

The project team more often notifies updates about their project through social media, because in general social media users are more widely used. Especially telegram, the development team will easily provide information quickly. So I don't think this is a problem.

Who care about investors after raised fund ? I think most of ICO team just busy with their personal life after end of ICO. That's the reason why most of them are not updating bitcointalk thread. On the other hand most of them are using telegram due to easy communication with community. Most of crypto users are using telegram. So simply existing and new ico could reach to investors.

In case you have not noticed. Many of this token that rush to gain attention on btt stopped creating ANN because they have seen it that BTT rules are not as simple as it was before. Now you need to comply with the new forum rules and since a lot of them are even not really a good one they do not bother but rather create a telegram and launch little bounty or giveaway that make it compulsory for all participants to join the telegram page. And in case you don't know, it is now a punishable offence to participate in giveaway and some airdrops. Spamming also in Ann can lead to banning.

You are right i do not like this attitude from teams as well, if they are serious and professional they should keep their btt ann thread active all the times by posting atleast the important news and events regarding the project, not only it gives trust boost to investors but also targetted exposure to new crypto investors, this sluggish behavior from teams should be condemned as it is not good for marketing aspect of the project.

We could always vote on this topic by using HST decision token of course.

Not quite bad, perhaps they found that their project was not paying attention on bitcointalk. So they focused more on telegram, but if it were me I would still try to attract more people to my project on bitcointalk. Because this is a good channel to attract investors

Nothing because I don't see that as an issue. The main question is; is the team keeping the community members updated either through Telegram, Twitter or Discord? If yes, then there is no problem.
Although Updating Btt ANN thread is good, but it doesn't determine the overall success of the that platform so far the team is up and doing.

If the team intends to be honest and professional, then all updates will be timely and aggregate activity will be high, since investors are the most important and key element of their success and advancement. Non-observance of elementary norms of trust in this case is unacceptable.

Maybe they have nothing to keep developing since bitcointalk members are very learnt and do ask thought provoking question that will force the announcers to keep a regular update. Truly, some persons may have been contracted for the announcement and after walkdown they may just move head

I've seen some exchanges and projects left their ANN threads hanging and there's no plan for them to comeback. It's either they don't want to manage it anymore and they lack of manpower or they simply are done using the forum. For scam projects, obviously they don't have an intention to stay on BTT for a long time as they only have one reason of staying here. And that is to make their project look legit by providing an ANN thread. Well some notable altcoins are still keeping their thread updated.

Projects in general have different channels on which they are active. Although I know it is always expected that every project that want to make it big and intends to get the attention of crypto enthusiasts, should utilize the BTT forum effectively, being the first crypto discussion forum. Well, they might be getting more attention elsewhere and that not withstanding, it is not the best.

Telegram is where most of these ICO projects uses for their updates because of the ability of telegram to create a group, and from this group, any update that is being posted at any time will automatically be seen by their members, but you know bitcointalk, you still have to browse where the thread is before you can get update and some people may even forget to check up on it, but with telegram, the group members automatically gets the update without them having to browse for it, which will also serves as a reminder to them.

We have different social media platform for different purposes, bitcoin has already served its own by allowing them participate in the project, but I think for updates, telegram will surely be the best, and telegram is really moving fast in the social platform now, and I believe it will be the next reigning social media tool if Facebook does not buy it over too.

I think good projects should definitely control all the possible social networks and forums. Such strategy shows potential investors that this project is strong and promoted everywhere - there are many people interested in it.

It's not and have you seen some major platforms are not even watching its official thread again let say ethereum tron and many more platforms. The dev has a lot of activities and they are not having the time to do that.
that's not a problem as long as the developer is very active.

It's ok if they are not updating their official thread here, as long as they have their own forums and on their forums they are very active in updating their followers and investors about their platform and roadmap, but unfortunately these devs prefer updating heir telegram channel instead where potentials investors cannot view what's happening there.

Most projects creates their thread during start of Public sale but once they finish, they cease to update it and yet they are doing well. In my own opinion, the important thing is, if the team is working as promised and if they are then no problem. On the other hand, there are projects without Bitcointalk Thread but yet they are also doing well, that is to say, the success of any project depends to an extent on the team.

I don't think there is any issue with that, because it doesn't determine if a project will last long term or not. There are tokens which stopped years ago but yet they are still performing well in the market. If the team is updating the community via Telegram etc, then there is no issue as the community will still get the information they need.

They already got investors hat gave them money. ICO ended. They dont need more if would need more would set limit higher.

The fact is that most projects just view their announcement threads as where they can  upload the details about their project when it is newly launched, just like their website, some do not update it or change anything but generally, this is not really a yardstick to show how serious the project is.theh prefer telegram because it is more interactive and this is why most projects encourage people who are interested in the project to join their telegram groups.

I think that the project team only use the Bitcointalk thread for promotion. But for further information, update, and other things, they will only inform them on their community channels such as telegram, their social media, YouTube, website, and others.

First, they will update on BTT forum for introduction, announcement and also other programs held by the team and developers. However after that? I think normal that they have no update their BTT forum? But of course, we must search for the other sources such as their telegram group or discord. COmmonly I always use them.

It's a warning sign, if you take a look at the top coins in the market, they always have an update in their official thread, even some of them already have their own forum, they never neglect their announcement thread, because they knew investors will always go here for the latest updates and so is the new investors.

Firstly, if the project does not update information on the development and news of its progress on the forum, then at least it looks suspicious.  Because communication and discussion in this forum is a potential development of the project and the best place where you can find relevant news and learn something new.  There are really few projects that communicate with their user community.  Basically, after the ICO and the collection of money, the founders disappear, the project dies accordingly.  On the other hand, the telegrams are also a convenient and excellent place to communicate with the community and to cover news about the development and prospects for technological growth of the platform.  But still, the BitcoinTalk forum is the most advanced place for people united by one goal and idea, where it’s really interesting to communicate with smart people and find answers to many of your questions.  For me personally, this is the most important forum where I spend time about which I will never regret as uselessly lost.  And secondly, if the project does not have its own thread on the forum or has not even heard about it here, then I do not even consider it as promising.  Good luck to everyone and great profit.

There will be a lot of concern if they stopped doing this, and new investors that are looking for a new coin to invest should stay away from this kind of project, they owed their investors and supporters to update them about new development, but they only do this if they want more money by launching another IEO.

There are something important should be considered:
- OP updates: Without updates for too long is surely not a good signal.
- OP last active day: If OP has been inactively in the bitcointalk.org for too long, it is a very strong signal that OP and their team might abandoned their project.
- Updates of projects on their Github, websites, and so on.

Most of the succesful project I know usually stops updating their bitcointalk thread after few months. They will update their progress in either their own medium, blog or private group. Although updating the thread is definitely a good thing but it is optional. Not all of people will take a look into the thread anyway but their own private group which includes investors and member are surely full of interested people.

if it has stopped and there is no update or interaction activity from their community, then surely the project will die or scam. there are many old coins that have announcement threads here, sometimes the op is no longer active in managing or updating the thread, but the thread is still crowded and is always visited by their community and interacts to share the latest information about the project itself.

Most of these projects do not even own an announcement threads at all especially those projects that originated from Asia (Korea to be specific) but this didn't in any way hamper them from doing well and to be honest, I am not really a fan of announcement threads anyways and u don't think less of any project that does not update theirs.

i won't see it as something to worry too much about although i would wish they have time to also update their announcement thread from time to time, there are lots of successful project who don't have time to make update on their ann thread except supporters of that project that will keep the thread going, if a project is legit update or non update of ann thread plays little role in it.

Bitcointalk is an important information channel, because this is a forum where many experienced members can discuss the project. A project needs to update their thread on bitcointalk. However, with some big projects when it was successful, it seems they just focus on media channels rather than bitcointalk.

Im less worried about it but its important,if the teams keep other social media channel like telegram,facebook,twitter and instagram alive its fine by me

I think bitcointalk thread update is not really important, they can posted their new development to another platform that have more user than bitcointalk, like their telegram channel that must be have lot of people subscribed that, then they can update on their own site as well. Last, they have social media account to giving news regarding the project development.

if we focus on bitcointalk thread we will miss many important information.dev team usually update their projects in telegram announcement channel.they already hired group telegram to discuss and community with investors.this way more effective for all stakeholder.

for the long term, it will be very detrimental to the project. and not everyone has time to wait for an answer on the telegram. so they should also actively provide updates on their threads and social media. I personally also find it difficult to find updates on a project. because their thread has no latest updates.

I think the reasons why they ignored bitcointalk thread because:
1. Thread starter has no longer manage the project, if they hired another manager except their team.
2. Thread locked by global moderator to avoid junk posts.
3. Social media and website more flexible to giving an information and fast.
That are possible reasons why project after ICO ignored their announcement thread here.

It doesn't matter to me because it could be that they have a problem with bitcointalk (account banned) or maybe they prefer updating via telegram because it's easier, as long as they don't disappear and always update, I don't think it's a matter of concern.

Indeed, some projects do not renew their ANN Thread but are active in telegram, I don't think that is a problem if the ICO project is still running and growing. And for me personally while the project is still running and very active on telegram it is a good project, but if the project is also active in updating their ANN Thread it will be much better.

In my opinion it will be easier to disseminate information using social media via twitter or telegram, because the display is more attractive and simple. Some projects pay their own managers to create threads on the bitcointalk, so it will be slower to communicate, so they use telegram groups.

most people seem too busy to update the bitcointalk thread or they prefer to update information on facebook twitter or otherwise, actually it is not a problem while they are still communicating on the telegram and providing clear information

Many such projects have turned scam as if they keep updating their bitcointalk thread as if they can be regular on bitcointalk during the ICO/IEO and bounty programs and can earn enough money for the project, they should spare sometime to keep their thread active as well. I don't even think such projects are genuine who postpone their ICO blaming the market. They expect investors to wait till they relaunch themselves which is highly suspicious.

Today, even those projects that in the past years reached hardcap during tokensale are in a very poor condition.  I do not know who to blame for this, a non-professional team or a bad cryptocurrency market, but the fact remains.

Do you mean when the project already end and they don't give any updates on the Bitcointalk thread? I think that it is normal, isn't it? Commonly, they will not give updates on the thread, sometimes, they will lock the thread. They prefer to choose giving updates through the telegram channel or even their social media.

Yes, right. because most of the projects is smellsof fraudulent, their goal is only to get the attention of investors. they don't care much about information that is profitable for prize hunters, they only care about how to find as many investors as they want.

That is the question, is this really a good project, if this is a good project, it will renew the thread at least once a week, if we have participated in 2 weeks whether the thread has been renewed or not, if not, leave

Not giving updates on bitcointalk thread, I don't think that's too much of a problem, I think they can still provide updates in other places like telegram or other social media, the most important thing is they are active

Not all of good projects are always actively maintain its BTT thread and you can see that ethereum is not even maintaining its ANN thread. Some platforms have not enough time to watch or see all of the place to communicate with the community.
As long as the dev can give a sense reason about that and it's not a big problem.

If these projects are genuine they should update their announcement thread here on bitcointalk to give an update to crypto community especially to those who invest. Locking the thread or not not giving an update seems fishy that this particular project has something going on.

If there's a progress they must let the people know about it not only in their social media accounts but also here. Because this is the popular site for crypto users to gain information to the project that they are following.

I don't have any thought about that, negative or positive.

Right now projects moved to telegram instead of bitcointalk forum so they tend to become active on there.

but still , they should have put any announcement or warning on thier official thread here on bitcointalk before they'v decide to move on telegram , that is to give awareness to thier supporters so that they wont be mistaken as fraud or scam   . your right that more and more ico projects are more active on telegram than on this forum or any other websites is because telegram is instant . we can recieve and send queries  easily  with real time notifications  .

If they stop updating their project it means that either it is a scam or the project fails and not going anywhere. Some admins in telegram usually same the same thing over and over and make it looks like they are hiding something about the project.

I think those are just simply a money grab project

Just join on thier telegram group if you want to become updated on it.    infact all project within this forum always provide telegram room where participants and dev can communicate about the project.  So visit again om their thread and look for the telegram option ti don't miss some information.

Most of the ICO that no longer update their ANN thread are no longer need them cause they got what they need when they gathered most of the investors on their telegram group.

But Updating their thread here can't be done unless they hire someone that manually post every development they made on their project. because this forum needs to have a person to manage your thread too if you don't want it to bury in the deep pages by just a matter of days.

It seems that the telegraph group is slowly starting to communicate now. The telegraph exchange is very convenient now, but there are still some projects that will post in this forum. We will visit the post for discussion. This follows the user's personal preferences.

From what I know, the developer team sometimes does not handle threads on bitcointalk. In fact, sometimes, customer support in the telegram group is not part of the core team but only the people hired to respond to complaints or questions from investors

If this project is honest and has an active team, they should care about the reputation of the project, they will make their ANN thread active by posting new updates about the project and respond to questions and investors' concerns not only in their ANN but also in all the social media sites of the project, If there is no new updates about the project on their ANN and their channel on Telegram is active, This may indicate that the team is lazy and does not have enough experience or time, or that there is no marketing officer of their own, or that the project is a scam, You must ask them on their channel because of this default and if they blocked you, you should know that they have collected investors' money and they will close their accounts and will make their platforms dead so as not to make a fuss and be forgotten by people.

there are many reasons why they don't share updates on ANN threads. actually we can find out to their blogs, groups or social media accounts. without having to fixate on ANN thread. I guess this is normal because maybe they don't have time for that. as long as the project is active I think it's okay not to update thead

I think that's the best step to make a project feel safe. it is possible that if a project is leaked to a search engine, it will be easy for hackers to do damage to funds from investors. indeed it would be nice for us to follow their telegram channels and ask the admin for us to be able to invest in their programs.

How come you don’t consider this as a red flag, that they’re choosing to ignore an active community here and posting it on an app with limited audience. It could be quiet possible that they’re doing shady things that the community knows, and hence they have stopped updating here. In my personal opinion if they’re not communicating here once in a while, I would recommend not to buy their tokens.

Have been concerned on the influence of this forum on altcoins recently. They will start their bounty in the forum they considered not influential, even without signature campaign, IMO, they dont believe they need members of this forum. More also, the telegram community is used on CMC and coingecko as a factor for large interested members, Just if the announcement thread of altcoins can be added to CMC and coingecko, maybe an admin can be delegated to the thread.

Many projects chose to stay updated on telegram rather than their btt ANN page,its actually not cool but its really not a bad decision either because even very popluar projects dont bother to update their ANN pages anymore maybe because believe staying update on telegram will give them the actual menbers they have on their telegram group,ive seen few projects that congrats themselves when they hit 60k telegram members etc

Telegram is a great channel for real-time communication, most of the project prefer to update their announcement there, but Bitcointalk is still very popular in the search engine, they are visible and unless moderated, people here can give an honest review of the project, you cannot do that on telegram, they will kick you out and delete your comment if you contradict them.

They are missing out on potential investors, who prefer to look for the history of the project, and how investors and traders react on the project, a good project will always come out clean and great just like what happened to Ethereum, who in their earlier stage has encountered a lot of opposition.

It is a bad sign (and sometimes even a red flag) for the project. Bitcointalk is the most popular crypto forum around the world, and a serious project with a hard working team will be really interesting to update the project's followers in bitcointalk a lot more than telegram.

There are tons of projects that went live and forgot about Bitcointalk forum. Some of them are doing great, without any support on forum and others have decreased their value by -x10 from their ICO price and are still doing nothing.

Majority of the projects got their exposure through this forum and some of the projects i invested in the early days have vanished completely, i remember those projects collected more than $40 to $50 million easily during those period and i am not sure what they did after collecting that much money, the tokens were listed in the exchanges and everyone made their profits and a few years later they shut down and left the project, so those projects who are not updating here might be dead or on the verge of shutting down and you can see activity even in scam projects telegram channel  :P.

If they don't update the thread with latest updates it doesn't mean they abandon that project, probably they are busy developing stuff or they ask you to see the latest updates on social media instead such as Telegram, Twitter, and Facebook. This is why you shouldn't get information from one source.

Yeah most project abandon their thread after their project on the forum. But I think its all because most people who participate stop the hype due to the removal of the signature codes. But thread could be used to communicate much more to potential investors.

I think that many projects do not give a damn about the community and advertising after the end of the investment collection phase. This is what upsets me that many projects pay attention to investors only when they sell their coins.

If they are not announcing anything transparently then you can call them as scammers because most of these activities comes from scammers only.Don't wait for them because they will keep you in that situation and also will make you to believe that their token is going to be listed soon and soon but they will never.

Bitcoin is a discussion thread but not a chat thread, imagine that you have a link where people are just bombarding it wit question and answer on a particular link, would you not get tired? The fact that they do not update people on bitcointalk does not mean they are not updating their community, because I can really judge a project by its silence is when I check all the means of social media available and see if they have cut them off, then I can term them as a scam project already.

Many of them still use the most popular means they have been using after campaign, which is telegram to keep updating their investors. So it think we should not completely condemn them if we don’t continue to get response from there here after campaign , except maybe they stop updating their thread during campaign, then we can start suspecting them.

if the ethereum era maybe I can still understand it, but if now I think it should be a concern to take the campaign, if the project doesn't extend the thread, the wallet will eventually be filled with junk tokens or even not getting tokens or coins after work

If the team have decided to choose telegram, that might be their style or the service they are able to afford continuously, but you can as well make suggestion to them or try to render the service, by informing them about your intention. If they want it, they will allow you to do it.
ANN bitcointalk thread is just a means of announcing the project and interacting or relating with people who want to know about the project. Peradventure there is no one who wants to know about the project or does not find it interesting at all, most especially on this forum, then such thread will lack traffic, which invariably means no activity.
In addition, when there is no development on project, there won't be any update, except the team want to fabricate something.

The main thing is that not all telegram members use bitcointalk forum. Also same with the other social media platforms. It's easier for projects to announce their updates via telegram message.
But I observed that many project use medium article for announcements. Following medium, always keep us updated about the project activities.

I think it is an option, for example, in addition to being active on Telegram, I'm sure they will also update the news on their social channels like Twitter and Facebook. And you can easily follow and capture that rather than Bitcointalk

That's right. Some ICO projects do not update their ANN threads and are more active in telegram, for me personally ann thread is also quite important to be updated, to provide the latest information and news related to the ICO project and when the ICO is only active in telegram and pay less attention to ANN thread, it will be of less value to the team behind it.

It is either such projects are gone or the owners choose to keep quite and just observe or similar reasons for such silence. Any project that does not have regular updates will scare investors away, personal I look at how active any project social handle is before investing for a medium to long term

Have you checked the other social media? like discord? Now many projects are more active using discord than a telegram. And if they are not active on all of their social media, that is questionable.

I don't think that project's worth to invest. Cause of admin would really care about bitcointalk topic, it's the main place to care about, other chanels, it's ok if they are not really active. 
I would never invest in any coin like that

it is not said that if they(team) do not update the btk thread they do not continue to develop the project or that they are not active on other channels, perhaps they give priority to other things, it is necessary to evaluate the whole before saying that a project has been abandoned or even that is scam...

this is just my personal opinion, honestly I do not agree with a project that leaves a Bitcointalk announcement thread. logically like this, a project starts building the project by making a announcement thread on bitcointalk and when their project is up, the project leaves the bitcointalk forum, really ungrateful. and also when the project's token utility is ready, they will definitely embed the Bitcointalk announcement thread in the information token. so I think if a project leaves their Bitcointalk announcement thread or stops to update their Bitcointalk announcement thread, the project will slowly suffer indirectly because they forget one very important thing, that they forget that Bitcointalk is one of the biggest cryptocurrency forums that a place for many investors to look for news about cryptocurrency

Usually team of project ask us to join their telegram group. I will more concern about it because easier to look information in telegram. Especially usually ANN full of people who comment and post. And if developer's post covered by it, will hard to look information. If telegram not updated, usually people will already worry especially investors. Because developer not active again means they are gone.

I think renewing the thread in the Bitcointalk announcement is very important, because it is in this forum that crypto investors gather, as you said that in the Google search engine it is very fast to find information in the forum

That's a bad move and strategy for any project that does not update the thread, potential investors might bypass them, if you looked at successful projects here they are always getting an update and there are always new post from the developers and community, this is what a legit project should be doing.

It is maybe telegram is a strong medium where many users frequent. Telegram is also a good means for advertisement. But a project should regularly update its bitcointalk thread to inform its users about latest updates. I have seen some active projects updating their bitcointalk thread regularly. But some do not bother to do so.

Some projects are cheating on the Hunter in this way. And the investors who cheat.We should invest with awareness. And Bounty should be seen and understood. Because of my promotion, an investor may lose his capital.

I think if the developer does not provide updates in the bitcointalk thread is not a big problem, the developer can still provide updates in other places like telegram or on twitter

but it would be better if all the projects are on the forum list, so that we are easy to find information about the development of the project, this is also a promotion for a project to support its success in raising funds. Moreover, there are many investors in this forum. and developers can use it to support project success

Some token never update anything about their project on twitter, facebook or never make news on their bitcointalk tread, I will focus only on altcoin active update their news.

Of course, for any project it is important to update the ANN on bitcointalk and in other forums. But this applies to project updates, news, announcements, offers and so on. The main communication takes place in telegram project groups, because there it is much easier to communicate, ask questions and receive answers, there you can also use the search and find the answer to your question. Therefore, these are two different tools for the interaction of the project team with the community, which should work together. And if the team does not update ANN, then it makes sense to think about the professionalism of the team and the real prospects of the project.

It seems to me that having constantly updated information on social networks such as twitter, facebook and telegram is more useful than an updated theme on bitcointalk.

if we look at the bitcointalk thread forum, then we have to go to the bounty manager because usually the ones who make changes and updates are the job of the bounty manager, I often find projects that you find and this is normal in the bounty campaign, even though the thread has never been updated but the telegram media is very active, so please ask something about the project via telegram.

Sometimes the bounty manager not always the one who post the Ann thread, remember bounty thread is different from Ann thread and sometimes it is usually done by someone else, maybe team member or forum member,  but I think the responsibility fall largely on the team because the project belongs to them and they understand everything about the project, so they are in best position to answer questions from forum members and update thread with any latest information about the project.

I start to get suspicious about this project, because every solid team should keep all social media updated including Bitcointalk, because this forum is in my opinion a much more productive way than any other social media like twitter or facebook.

I think it is very bad from thoses teams to not update their bitcointalk thread. I prefer looking at bitcointalk than at their telegram channel as a lot of spammers/scammers are on telegram.
And not updating the bitcointalk thread make the coin looks like a dead coin.

For some projects or developer teams, the Bitcointalk forum is only a place to introduce the project because bitcointalk is the largest forum in the cryptocurrency community. From what I know, there are some coins that do not have an official thread on Bitcointalk but have fairly large transactions. Maybe the developer team prefers other ways of communicating like telegraph channels or Twitter which are wider in scope not limited to the cryptocurrency community

most of the developers are more focused on updates made on their social media. simply because the communication factor is easier to use social media than in their threads. but some projects are also still doing thread updates, to convey new things and development of products that have been run. it's very good for their community.

Bitcointalk is the largest here in the crypto so that i prefer to all of the developer to always update their project not only in bitcointalk also in social media like telegram. They must always update the investors also their are some investors that they have missed because they not updating their bitcointalk.

It is necessary to update information on the forum thread, but I have seen old projects such as ethereum, some investors or community members voluntarily renewed the thread or provided information about the coin.
in addition, I have seen many new projects update information on their blogs and social media, so they are easier to interact with everyone and the occasional renewal is also needed but many of the community members already understand where they will ask about the project if there is no a reply to the message they posted here

I think every good project must have many different social channels being created and updated constantly to provide proper communication level with investors and potential partners. But each team decides individually what channels they should use.

Some of us think bitcointalk is like a chat or the old mirc and the truth is that this is not the case. So if a thread does not get comments or updates that doesn't mean the project have issues and more likely the project don't believe that a forum can have a big impact for their project. So before jumping to conclusion you should check their website, cmc situation , social medias status and so on because like I said bitcointalk is no a chat system and let me ask you this , how about big projects that had hundreds of pages on their threads and then simply locked and move on ? You think they scammed someone ? No they simply moved on and left the thread with all the info to be public.

That depends on their team, if the team is very active in the forum the bitcointalk thread will always be updated if there is progress but there are also many active teams in the telegram and it is very effective because many communities are now on the telegram channel.

So normal, nothing is too serious if they don't update the information in bitcointalk. As long as the project is still active and making a product is enough

This is what happened in all probability. Getting flagged is not going to deter them, as many of them have junior accounts or newbie accounts here. Getting a red tag can be very depressing for someone with 2-3 years of experience here, at the level of Hero member or a Legendary member. But it is not going to matter for those guys who have at the most a few months experience here. Even if they care, they can purchase a high ranking account for BTC0.01 or even lower. Purchase of accounts is no longer permitted here, but you can find advertisements outside this forum.

So this is the modus operandi. First they will set up a website and create white paper. Most of the contents will be plagiarized from other projects (or they can spend some money to find someone who will do these for them). Then they will create an ANN thread here, once again plagiarizing much of the content. Either they will manage the bounty themselves, or they will find some junior level guy to do that. Once the ICO is over, they will vanish with all the money. A few weeks later, they will appear with a different project, and the process will go on.

Depends actually. If they hired a moderator for their thread then I think good updates will be seen on their announcement thread but usually a social group like telegram is their prime hub since its easier to do an update there. Well I am looking also on the thread update but not pretty much depends on the person. But I think, updating some news also here in forum is a good communication for certain projects.

Most of ICOs projects use bitcointalk in collecting money stage then they become inactive after that, because forums are not platform that suit companies in general. They start as team with no money that wants to create a product, after getting the money they start to act like a company using only social media that are more suitable. You pointed out that Bitcointalk topics always shows up in search engine like Google, but you forget one fact, those projects got all the money they need, to use paid advertising, so there is no need for free advertising anymore. It's like leaving your old girlfriend after becoming a rich guy. 

related to this I think Bitcointalk Threads, telegram channels, social media channels and other channels that contain information about their projects are very important to review, but if the team & developers do not update information about project development or their tokens, that is the criteria for fraudulent projects or tokens rubbish.

Perhaps this situation arises due to the lack of time or resources for the team to maintain the theme of the project on Bitcointalk in the actual state. In this case, if you support the project, worry about its development, you can contact the project team and become, for example, a moderator of their topic on the forum.

That's not entirety true just because some project don't feel the need to update their bitcointalk ann thread don't mean they are scam, many successful project that have their announcement here on bitcointalk that are still doing well but hardly come back to update this forum,

once they have the audience they are looking for from here, all other subsequent updates are posted on their social media account, they only use bitcointalk for ann and get investors and supporters.

Bitcointalk cannot be the yardstick for each project. Most of the time it can't even be a telegram because when you look at big projects you might not find the telegram addresses.

Because they can use different platforms to communicate and provide information about new developments. This can vary both from project to project and from which country the project originates from. For example, Europeans and Westerners, in general, use telegrams while Easterners can use Wechat, Kakaotalk and be active there.

Likewise, some projects may choose to publish their progress via Github or Medium.

In essence, project updates do not have to go through the Bitcointalk Forum. For the initial introduction this forum might be the right place. But after everything passes, they will update that in various ways like you mentioned above. So, it is not wrong if the project does not update in this forum.

It's a good sign if they are still active on telegram, however they are missing something if they don't update their project here in bitcointalk. Because as you said people and investors used to check the forum to look for projects to invest and not updating their thread here is not a smart move.

Mostly they are busy that the community manager will not bother to update the ANN tread anymore and beside they could answer immediately all questions and information that will ask by the participants and hunters that is why they are required to join the telegram.

That is not the right approach, because Bitcointalk is the largest cryptocurrency community out there, with millions of users from all around the world. Without advertising here in Bitcointalk, none of the projects will be able to attract investment for their ICOs. Therefore it is very necessary for the projects to constantly update their ANN thread. Most of them do that, but once the ICO is over, many of these threads become deactive.

This is why I have argued that whatever funds these projects attract must be held in third party escrow, until the milestones are completed. The funds can be released in installment as per the progress made by the project. This will make sure that the developers don't run away with the funds from the investors, and they are made answerable to the users.

Bitcointalk would be the first place for this or not. It would be absurd for us to get into such a situation. If any coin released does not necessarily have to enter Binance, it can promote it anywhere on any project. It doesn't matter if it's a bitcointalk or another platform as long as it uses social media accounts.

It's scary but Ann thread isn't a determinant of project success provided such project has other outlets where they're actively communicating with their community its fine.

The most important thing for social media is they still provide performance updates and also the medium. because this is where many people can know what has been done by the teams. whether it can be said to be in accordance with what they promised back then or they were disappointing because it was not in accordance with the roadmap

stopping communication with the community, I think it’s a bad signal, the team stops answering investors' questions, it’s just like raising funds without obligations

The only time these teams are going to be posting is when they need investors to come and fund them, right after that. Its your turn to come following them and wait until they reply to your inquiries. We've seen these teams almost begging for money but now you can't even see them post a guide on how to swap your tokens to their new contract.

yes updates on social media and also websites will be more important because basically when they do real work they will have updates that will be done, even though they are like forgetting their threads in this forum but when they are active on social media then that is a real proof it is likely that the project will continue to develop but it would be better to do an overall update so that it will get a better reputation

I don't think that there is something wrong with it, and it doesn't mean that this project is 100% a scam. Now projects have migrated to telegram as it is more convenient, so there is no need to update BTT thread. This is normal.

I agree with you. Failure to renew the BTT thread originate from its failure to follow. If there are those who follow this thread, he will give an opinion about the lack of innovation. In the other hand, this place has lost much in its old value. Without signature campaigns, thousands of people would leave.
But telegram is very useful in this regard. It offers the opportunity to track innovations, learn people's thoughts, and ask any question and it is easier to use.

But we also know that they are one step away to running with such doing. Without updating their BTT thread is a sign that they are not responsible for their job. BTT recognize as one of their way to reach their community/investors. Even if they can communicate using telegram channel, they should still update every detailed progress in every channel including BTT to show that they are working and they are reaching everyone.

I think it's natural their ANN thread doesn't update too much in bitcointalk. Because to discuss or ask a small problem, it is more comfortable and convenient when done in a telegram. Because we know that it's not easy to post here with just a few words. Therefore maybe social media is the right answer why they are more active there. And faster also for responses between people.

absolutely nothing, many projects don't update their ANN Thread anymore and they are still working fine, apart from the awareness that ANN threads create at the very beginning when the project was launched nothing more so its really not a big deal unless the project is still very new

If the project has a working website
And also thoroughly updates news and information on their page and social media handles

I think it is not compulsory to update the thread; most investors always look towards telegram and twitter for information regarding any project

if the telegram is still active, or chat groups from other media are still active, I think it can still be continued. or at least the BPunty Manager can still be contacted, it will be safe.

I think if they did not update on the thread here in bitcoin talk but still active in telegram. They are still good and active. But be careful because the fact that they don't update their thread here is a lack of attention from their management. Maybe some users should remind them to update or they are not interested at all because they have already get what they want. Some are most likely scams but not all. You should just be very observant on the chats and on their website. You should sense something wrong if there is by observing their behavior. On that way you would most likely not fall to their scamming scheme.

Very true and frustrating, it's like yes were done when in fact they should handled more their supporters or investors who are with them from the start so their coin will not be just dump right away.If they do this to me I will just sell their tokens right away,worst is if they are not still listed then we really need to contact them by any means till they have no choice but to response, it's enough for me even in telegram.

Actually there are more project prepared to update in social media than here. Because they know that not all of thier investors visited this forum more of them use social media . The only problem is if there are no update here and social media then it will mostl ikely it is scam already.

Most of them simply locked the thread and moved away but this could mean the following :

1. They ran with the funds as here you can't scam people that easy without having some deep accusations ( <3 love bitcointalk community )

2. They moved to another platforms like Telegram , discord and so on ( also not good for the project as you can't leave bitcointalk just because you simply don't want to ask users questions here so stay away from projects like this )

3. They had their own forum so they moved there with the entire community ( waves case and so many others )

4. They didn't like bitcointalk ( How could anyone not love the house of bitcoin ? )

5. They were scammers and they got banned.

6. They had other plans for their projects so they simply walked away from any other platforms and forums.

Vast majority of them flew away so updating their threads are none of their business anymore. Some of the projects are still alive but its unnecessary to post updates on their threads, they can use social media for those.

But sometimes they don’t update their thread here in Bitcointalk because they have nothing to update for their investors or for the community instead they are focusing in developing the project and progressing the product ,because the  company don’t only live just by Bitcointalk since  there are many places that they need to advertise and gain investors not only here

It’s hard to say, it all depends on the project. Some successful projects simply do not need to update their forum threads, or they rarely do this. But most often, given the number of bad projects on the market, this banal death of the project leads to a stop in the updates of the announcement branch or its quick death. Why should developers maintain interest in the project if they got everything they wanted.

Every solid team should have an ANN and usually publish all updates here, because the biggest amount of investors is coming from this forum. I hardly doubt that people that are investing in major IEOs outside from Binance never heard about Bitcointalk forum.

Bitcointalk is the hub of cryptocurrency enthusiasts, every project should have their Ann here first for the verification of their team and whitepaper documents to ensure it meets some standards of being real. Ann threads helps minimize scam risk for investors any project whose Ann isn't listed here shouldn't be trusted.

Funny enough most projects put up their ANN here and keep it active  just for the purpose of luring in more people during token sale and keep mute after raising funds via token sale. Some forget to understand that bitcointalk is the heart for crypto conversations, keeping an ANN active here goes a long way to communicate with the community which will always have a positive impact.

Since there is no rules or law that compulsory developers to always update their ANN thread i think its fine and not a must too, developers and teams should be more focus on plans and future updates and even few big coins in crypto space today have already abandoned their ANN thread long time ago

I find it very bad that many projects do not update the information in the Bitcointalk ad stream. A lot of people come to Bitcointalk to find important information, since this forum is considered top-end and it has a lot of necessary information. I hope the project team will turn their attention to this problem and start updating information again, which will give them more opportunities to get users, partners and investors.

You do have a point mate but i think its their duty to update their community in any media platforms like this forum because it shows how they value the community and dedication they have for their own project, also there are some people who only follow the updates on a single platform.

Truth be told. Most of those projects were only interested in having a bitcointalk thread in the first place was because of their ICO/IEO. And now that's done, they have little to no interest to keep it up to date. Some of these projects have even closed  some of their community channels with the excuse of "focusing on project development". Current, Hold and others to nane a few followed this path.

Of course, it’s bad when Ann isn’t updating and the team isn't interacting in thread.  But this doesn't always mean that the project is dead or scam. Ann's thread is important during the ICO. The main exchange of information is in the Telegram channel. But when there is no update on social media, this is obvious pointer to scam, but then it’s too late for investors to pull hair in a rage-the money already   invested.

If a project team truly understand the genesis and origin of cryptocurrency, as well as the factors that contribute to its success, they would not have trued abandoning their ANN thread, because most times, investors and others who might have something to do with their project, either now or later, will want to look into the history of that project.

never mind, the point is developer still update their project. no matter what way to do it

most of investors has knewn that telegram is most active chat discussion platform in cryptocurrency, so, it makes sense if dev wants to share their update in the telegram channel

The author of an ANN thread, who could be one of the team, should dedicate himself in giving updates in the thread. Just as news and updates are being posted on social media platforms, the ANN thread should also he given the updates in return.

Although, not every project has announcement thread on btt forum, but a project that has and is seen not to update the thread, is giving a warning and the signal indicates hat such project team cannot even be serious in future.
If you are not serious and not working when you have not raised the required fund, how will you do that when the fund is available.

They're more likely planned exit scamming. They just grab as much as they can and run.  It's very hard to find a very active projects with a really good potential to explode. Good thing they create this forum to know what are the good projects to invest with. Members here are not hesitant to ask about the project. If the author does not responds to the questions or the answer is not realistic. It's no good for the investors.

Op and any newbie should take note of the above, because it's a truth that might open their eyes to the reality of what's going on in the ico space.  I'm sure the ann section is loaded with abandoned threads from projects that turned out to be scams.  Anytime a project abandons a thread here or closes their telegram group or social media, it is a red flag that should *not* be ignored.

It is indeed unfortunate that one can't see it coming, because it's going to keep happening as the scam projects keep coming.

I would cut them a very small bit of slack if they haven't updated it in a week maybe, but after that you more or less know that they ran away with everyone's money.

Maybe they move on to other platform or maybe other people are right that they really did run away with the money of the investors. If there's still activity in their accounts in other platforms like social media or their website, you do not need to worry. But if there's no other platform that they can update or announce stuff, you might as well be scammed. This is the downside of this industry, many can wear a mask and pretend they're your friends but that act can also happen in real life with fiat. Scam or not, there is always a risk in investing and not everyone can conquer it.

Well... it happens very frequently here... And still the investors don't learn the lesson and continue to pour their hard earned money in to these black holes. As you said, in many cases they delete their social media channels as well (in a few cases these scammers didn't even bothered to do that). And in most cases, they will be using lower ranked forum accounts here, so even if they get flagged, it is not going to affect them. Anyway, Bitcointalk accounts of all ranks are for sale outside this forum, and they can simply purchase a few clean ones and continue their scam.

To be honest, investors can't really tell about the future of the projects that they participated in. All of the projects can be promising in the first place and show the things that the investors wanted to see and still ran away and abandon the project. That is the risk of investing into projects, it low key requires luck.

In the announcement thread they share the exciting news but talk about it on their telegrams, discord channel.

More people like to talk about it on their telegrams because communication here is easy. I think that these campaigns are also not very active in their announcement therad is because they also prevent spam.

In my opinion, the notification on BitCointalk thread is not too important for us to see because many people already know that every development of the project will be notified via social media such as Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Linkeddin, Medium and others, especially Telegram. because in the telegram group we can directly interact with the project developer with various questions that we ask and in the telegram group we can also get a quick response from the admin about the development of the project.

Those social websites that you are talking about are diversified. They talk about everything but here, on this forum, it is only about crypto currencies and digital market. So making a thread here plays its own role in the survival of a project. The community is the right one. Telegram groups are different from others for sure. However, talking to the developers is one thing but taking reviews from public is the most important one.