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Guys, pls tell what do you think about having such a service? Is it needed?
How should it work and look like?
I mean the one working for all ios based devices at least.

Thanks!

Apple does not allow bitcoin wallets in the App Store (look at coinbase app for example)

B!z, It is quite philosophic discussion that you're trying to start :)
Just imagine, that Apple can allow everything.

no. I'm serious.

X2

Good luck op, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over this venture.

I would love to see a bitcoin wallet on iOS, but Apple would not allow one.
Most people are not willing to jailbreak their devices for a shady bitcoin wallet app.
What can we do? Seems like a webwallet is the only solution so far

App Store verso wallet, works well.

I wouldn't mind having one provided it was secure and offered pretty much the same features as a full-featured client. But this is all dreaming considering that Apple would never allow such a thing and there really aren't many people that can be trusted to create a secure wallet.

Build an HTML5 wallet, a la CoinPunk.

It would be easy to sneak into the iOS world (without jailbreak requirement!).
Look here, let's get inspired:
http://gba4iosapp.com/download/

The steps are:
-> found a small company (cost around 2-3 BTC depend on origin country)
-> apply for Apple iOS Enterprise Programm (299$ = 0.5BTC)
-> create iOS wallet app (this might be difficult)
-> sign the app with your enterprise provisioning file
-> provide a custom download page: http://gba4iosapp.com/download/
-> apple then probably then revoke your certificate
-> tell users to set back the date during the download/install of the app

Actually, we found a solution to help BTC users with ios. We are in Beta right now.
It is:
1. Totally secure. We mean it!
2. Looks like a native ios7.
3. Easy to use.
4. Fully functioned.

That needs user to:
1. Go to fruitwallet.com from mobile safari.
2. Sign up.
3. Set up hardware protection (one click).
4. Confirm e-mail.
5. Enjoy.

Already ran tests in Europe and CIS countries.
Willing to get some more great feedback!

Where are the private keys stored?
On your webserver?


We are looking for a real native solution!

Yes, on the server. The security team made it well protected.

Making full native means going to Appstore, app can be thrown off from there any minute. Kinda risky to rely on this..

jonas.schnelli, it is a solution for pocket expenses. To use in cafe, ATM machine, transfer your pool earnings etc....
We understand people won't store a lot BTC on mobile wallet, same as you aren't taking a lot of cash with you all the time.

If it is a matter of trust, then it is a matter of time.
Pools, Markets store your coins on their servers, you believe them only if they are quite old and have good reputation. Right?

Thanks for your questions.

So you say. Unfortunately that's not enough. You could be scammers. You could be incompetent. Your website isn't doing anything to convince me of either point:

• You don't publish your real names -- that tells me none of you is ready to put their reputation on the line
  
• You don't publish your company info -- do you even have a company?
  
• Your TOS and privacy policy do not exist -- why should I trust your security policies if basic things like this fail?
  
• The only explanation of your security policies is "We use 5 layer security system" -- Is this a joke?
  
• You never mention that you will store the private key and have full control of all the coins in the wallet
  

I'm sorry if I sound grumpy but that's not acceptable...

I go to great lengths to avoid giving control (private keys) to anyone. I would definitely never give my coins to an operation that had the above bullet point list.

Same as above, keep your secrets keys.

And maybe we shouldn't bother with apple, at all.

I fully understand your concern.
All your points are very fair!
We are in Beta, our main aim for now is to POLISH the product.
TOS and privacy will be published asap.
Company and names will be published a bit later.
Landing is in development, I understand that looks a bit strange.
Here are few BETA screenshots by the way.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ojhzuf6j02hxe09/large_iPhone%28dash%29.png?token_hash=AAHwE793HEGEDXoALLA5zsnTJOhBk8sMPSMQx64iAubfDQ
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/5kgzutps662350q/large_iPhone%28send%29.png?token_hash=AAGz4ZNECKoXaOiVCG7pCudMmtw0UGFQNre2rRRWEVZ1VQ

Apple made shitty decision about bitcoins, they will change their mind soon. So we all will have iOS wallets !

You didn't read my plan. did you? :)

I did. It sounds hacky and i doubt many people would do it. Sorry if I offend you saying this.
What I mean it is that is the great plan, but I believe that simpler = better.
I personally use Mi 2S (android) and iPhone 5c. I clearly see ads and cons of each. But if I do something I like it to be like ios not android. ios has some limitations? 1% of users can name them. Makes sense?

Overall, I like the conversation with you guys.
But pls understand us. We are not a scammers, we just willing to create great, safe, easy service.

What is still a riddle for me, why are you spending time chatting me instead of opening the link fruitwallet.com in safari and see everything your own eyes.

P.S. If you are afraid of smth, just give me fruitwallet address I will send some BTC for you to test.

It's not as hacky as it sounds like. :)
It doesn't require a jailbreak.
The iOS wallet app could also been made open source so people can check what's going on.

Sorry to say that, but in future, nobody will use web-wallets (or similar) where the user doesn't own the private key.
What have we learned from Mt.Gox?

The one who don't own the private key they don't own the bitcoins signed with them!

In my eye, only a nativ iOS wallet will have success.

Would you trust your money to a startup company?
I wouldn't.

Sure I will :) I already did.
We were thinking on solution like "Download wallet.dat feature".
But that means additional security holes. Probably in future...

But I got your point. I'm just talking about light secure app, where you store less then a bitcoin just for pocket spendings.
If you don't need such an app, thats ok.
But this functionality is ok for our loyal customers/testers. Whose input I appreciate most of all!
They just believe people and understand that we understand that Bitcoin startup can newer become big when scumming people :)

I know that MtGox rumors are still in the air and that influences all the solutions made over all the crypto-coin stuff.

private keys should never ever touch your server.
all signing should be done by the client itself.

the client can send encrypted private keys to the server if it wants to store them - but again: your server should not be able to see them clear-text.

if you dont implement that you are scammers in my eyes.
just have a look at blockchain.info which does exactly that: no private keys on server.

btw: i thought they had an ios-web-app? is it gone too?

I just wonder why banks are not scammers in your eyes? They hold your money.
Paypal? Scammers too? Webmoney? same thing?

This post might offend you, sorry for that, I didn't mean. I understand your right to express opinion.

When one bank goes bankrupt, you didn't tell that all banks should now work in other way. You have to deal with the risk to get additional service, this is the game rules.

I understand that you can't sleep well when somebody owns something that is considered yours.
But I was sure that it is normal nowadays. Examples: your insurance, patrol cards, banking cards, facebook (owns everything about you) same thing with google. Pilots? when you are in the plane they own something yours.... aren't they?

Cheers  8)

Fuck Apple, everyone should get Android phone.

Did you bought a rifle in case google will block apps in googleplay?  ;D

the difference is, that with btc-online-wallets its easily(!!!) possible to make sure the operator cant scam.

too many btc online wallets (i consider most exchanges as online-wallets too) has scammed people. so why dont you just try to proof that you wont such a thing?

We will do anything possible to proof that.
But main aims are: easy, light, fast, secure(from 3rd parties).

P.S. we are in Beta trying to polish the product, not to proof we are not scammers :)

Fruit, I'll take a look at it / download. I'm working on an app myself (not a wallet), so I'll support other devs. Regarding being a scammer, etc., people are rightfully concerned.  Once you publish more about yourself, get your landing page done, etc., people will feel more secure.  Transparency will be everything. You might also want to consider applying some rules to the mobile version, such as a second layer pin code that users would have to enter to do a transaction of larger than X.

Or perhaps build a locally stored password app?  (I'm just brainstorming here.)  The app would interact with your html 5 wallet, but you never, ever store the password.  The benefits would be you never store the password + it doesn't violate Apples quasi-ban on wallets.  Use some type of public/private key combo.

I agree. Excuse my ignorance, but why doesn't apple allow a bitcoin wallet app?  
I have the Mycelium bitcoin wallet for android and I love it, but I digress...

It's not as though nobody has thought of making one before.

Did you miss the week where everyone was smashing their iPhones and buying Androids because Apple removed the Blockchain.info app?

Sorry, is this a question? :)
Sure I didn't. We just decided to save iPhones from death creating an ios app that works.  ;)
I even thinking to use those videos in our promo.

where's the BETA thread gone?

Why does not Apple allow bitcoin wallets in the App Store?

raskul, hope you've found beta thread :)
iamahappyminer, Apple has its own mysterious ways of decision making.

yes thanks

apple are probably developing yet another shitcoin, so we can all pump and dump it when it gets released  8)

it's not an app, it's a web interface, which works with safari iOS browser. I've been testing it for FruitWallet and it seems to work well.

Does it support grabbing QRCode with the built-in phone camera? I know is a long shot  :-\

yes, it imports BTC address from QR code - but not like a QR scanner - it takes a picture (which it doesn't save on internal memory) and scans it behind the scenes to import the address.

Wow, great! However, I do have concerns on the security of my coins...  :-\
May be I will just setup the account without any coins.
Thanks, raskul.

I downloaded and played with the bitwallet app last night.. not bad if you know what you are doing.  As a potential ATM operator, I will probably point IOS people to it since it provides them a safe way to purchase bitcoins at the ATM.  From what I can tell, even a phone with malware wouldn't be able to steal the coins. 

I also thoroughly enjoyed paying a TX fee of .00001 last night.  Beautiful.

Great to hear, @vabtc
We will update app to Beta 0.3 in few hours it would be much more friendly  8)

@medUSA That is true that we keep all your coins on our server. We keep it safe from intruders. And we don't give you keys for your wallet.dat.
All these makes using fruitwallet just a matter of trust. If you are afraid we can steal your money, just don't keep much on fruitwallet.
Fruitwallet - light, easy storage for POCKET money.

Stay tuned

i'm using it for only a minimal amount of coins - basically, just loading it with enough in case I need to use them when i'm out and about; a bit like a mobile purse, no need to use it for all my transactions - what I do know, you can mine to it if need be: i mined a round on eligius using the wallet address and coins were received without a problem (and since, spent.)

 ;D

I played with FruitWallet for a while and was comfortable with it. I might use it for small transactions.

Setting up was very easy. Involved going to the site in Safari and register online. I was however slightly put off by a prompt to install a "Profile"(verified) with five "Signing Certificates". I googled them and they seem to be certificates, rather than a more malicious profile. So, got them installed after entering my own iOS security code. I think FruitWallet need to write a step-by-step guide on installation, so users know what to expect on installation.

The interface of FruitWallet is nearly identical to iOS, like what you would find in "Settings" of your device, so well done on that. The white menu items currently pans the whole width of the screen.  I would prefer leaving some grey edges on both sides (like white boxes on grey background).

FruitWallet provides 1 single bitcoin address for the user and there seems to be no option to add another. It operates as a virtual address. Users do not have the private key to their address, and the funds sent to the address will be sent out to a common pool after a few confirmations.

When new funds arrive, you get an email notification sent to the registered email address. The wallet do not refresh periodically, so you have to click around for the transactions to show up. On the dashboard "Spendable" shows confirmed balance and "Balance" includes confirmed and unconfirmed balance.

This is a very usable wallet solution for iOS devices. Some will be hesitant because users have no keys and thus no control over the address. So, only use it for small transactions.

Will do more testing later on...

FruitWallet,wuu..thank you for sharing your experience.

1976, don't know what wuu... means  ;)
Is that something good?

Guys,
Deployed Beta 0.4.
Fixed some critical bugs.
New features:
1. Minimal withdraw 0.001 BTC.
2. Still no additional fees. But you have to leave at least 0.0002 BTC on you balance when sending.

For those who didn't follow the thread.
Fruitwallet - light ios bitcoin wallet with protection on hardware level.
Ios -> Safari -> fruitwallet.com

Have a great time!

all good, thanks for fixing this.

When one bank goes bankrupt, you didn't tell that all banks should now work in other way. You have to deal with the risk to get additional service, this is the game rules.

I understand that you can't sleep well when somebody owns something that is considered yours.
But I was sure that it is normal nowadays. Examples: your insurance, patrol cards, banking cards, facebook (owns everything about you) same thing with google. Pilots? when you are in the plane they own something yours.... aren't they?

then this is not for you  ;)

Recorded a short Sent transaction demo. Made on my iPhone 5C.
http://youtu.be/uhZ6GdEPhys

hey fruit wallet can we change our user agent to iphone safari agent? are you planning on working on android after realeasing the apple wallet?

Thanks for asking. I'm not sure it will work, but we never tried to access app from non ios devices. At least you will not pass hardware verification process.
My name is Max btw :)
I don't think android users need wallets, there are plenty of them in Google Play.
The case we stick to Apple:
1. They blocked all wallets in AppStore.
2. We found nice method to protect wallet on ios hardware level.

Our plan is to implement LTC in few weeks.
And there is a high possibility that we will start developing fruitwallet PRO which keeps user keys in iphone local storage.

Now we are the lightest app for BTC on IOS for keeping SMALL amounts of btc. And many users like that.
But we keep the keys, so some (many) paranoid users will never use our service as it is.