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It is with a heavy heart that i write this post and seek for Help from the moderators and admin of this mighty platform. the Rock of all things Crypto. you guys should assist hunters please. laborers deserved their pay and what so ever they do with their rewards HAS NOTHING TO do with owners of the Project.

MOST Bounty campaigns and projects here (New ones) has opt for the option to change RULES at the end of campaign. MANY has ALWAYS REDUCE bounty payments at the end of any successful campaign.  we can't talk about the delay and extension  of payments.

MY OPINION: it will be wise if this forum creates a board for feedback from bounty hunters regarding their experience with bounties especially with payments and defaulters should Be dealt with. possibly blocking their ANA Page or something else.

More suggestion is need please. Enough is Enough.

It will still demand more of bounty hunter cooperation than the admin intervention. We can demand more interaction and discussion of such projects on this forum than telegram. There are few restriction on this forum announcement thread for projects, then we found it easy to get our token and see moderator intervention because we had most of our discussion here. the red trust tag are meant to control members but we limited the use by running absolutely else where. Telegram had reduced the influence of this forum on most project scam. There could however be some reduction in reward if the team can present there case due to inability to raise enough fund.  

Already, the fourm is for interaction and discussion of new and existing projects. Also an avenue for the new ones to market and showcase the projects. Not to punish marketers.
 
Acceptable to bounty reduction due to inability to raise fund but it is unacceptable for campaigns to REDUCE FUNDS due to frauds committed by hunters. you role as a manager is to remove the fraudulent participants. this is just one of the problems hunters are facing here.
there are many more to that.

PLEASE WE WANT EVERYONE TO SPEAK UP.   

yes I as a bounty hunter are disappointed with the amount of bounty programs offered in the form. sometimes they just ask to promote their product but they don't give us the promised gift. to the moderators please respect such programs for appropriate action.

Bounty hunters should not depend on btt moderators to fix scam bounty projects, the best way that can be effective is for bounty bunters to come together as one and be on the look out for one another, if any project looks like a scam then bounty hunters should raise a flag and your voices will be heard.

In my opinion, it would be good and highly appreciated if moderators of the forum can do something with projects that failed to deliver what they promised to bounty hunters according to agreed and published parameters. However, moderators here are quite limited in power and influence and even if they do something about the ANN thread or even announced here that a certain project can not be trusted, still it will never change the fact that project managers can do whatever they wanted to do. The only hold here is if projects will be making a deposit or escrow that bounty hunters can draw from in case something will go bad...but I highly doubt if project managers will agree on that. Maybe moderators can start banning the accounts of those projects that went rogue and failed to do what they themselves set to give to the bounty hunters. Just a suggestion, anyway.

Admins don't help victims of scam and don't even take action against well-known scammers so forget about bounty hunters. For that reason DT members are in place to tag such suspicious bounty projects. Changing rules now is a common thing as they even mention it in their disclaimer but requirement for KYC, downloading their wallet are some rules that make the project look suspicious while not paying bounties is something even admins can't help about. They can't force the company to pay and that's totally the hunters loss. That's why always join campaigns that are managed by reputed managers and not XYZ managers who take their hefty fee and then don't care about the participants.

If they have written in the rules, that rules can be changed, then you do not have any right to complain.
You are participating voluntarily in bounty campaigns.

Report every bounty campaign that changed their rules after the campaign, or raise your flag about that one. Yes, many bounty hunters are suffering because of this new strategies of a scam project, maybe moderators can't really control that but if there's a new rules about bounty campaign then I believe managers will follow that one. In reality the regulation with the bounties is not that strong, its time now to update the rules regarding on this matter.

I think we already have a flag for this, this is to warn newbies and investors that there are risk involving in the ICO and besides you can neg the project or invite DT1 to negged those developers, and of course we have a scam section where you can post ICO or projects that you think are scam of course with proofs.

Such topics exist.  About scam projects.  At least I know one and often look there.  With the delay of payments and other moments, of course very tired.  But you can only do what we can spoil the reputation of the project.

The abuse was highlighted many times already. I even responded in a few similar Threads like this. But i dont understand the sentiment of some bounty hunters they are not supportive with the cause, the worst is they even mocked and criticized the bounty hunter who made the appealing Thread in short they are pondering with the team's rampant abuses and acting like a traitor with its own kind. thats why bounty hunters are being abuse because we are not united as one.

You know that this is mainly a Bitcoin forum, right? I think that most admins would rather see all these bounty topics disappear than start to cater to bounty hunters.
Bounty hunters are the main cause of spam here on the forum, so why would they even try to help them in the first place?

Also, don't use caps for topic titles, it really doesn't help your cause...

Let us not give additional loads to our moderators they have already loaded on so many spams here, in fact, we should all be thankful that the forum is giving us a job for using their platform as a bounty hunters, if you think  a particular project is a scam, you have three options, you can create a flag, give them negative trust and encourage other bounty hunters to do so, and report them on the scam section.

So many times some admins have stated that if the bounty participants were joining in the bounty campaign with their own risk. This is a good opinion but that will impossible to happen because the team has full control over the funds. We have a section that called scam accusations and when the developers already accused if they have deceived the bounty participants and you can make a thread about that in scam accusation sections.

Just a simple think about that, do the admins get paid for that?

Why "should" they? when they can all see is spam from hunters like making many accounts to spam a bounty campaig and they dont want to tolerate it because if they do someday this forum will be just full of alts and not real people, if you read topics from the time merit system implemented you will understand why they shouldnt help bounty hunters now.

Aside from that bounty hunters really dont need help if they are not lazy to research about each project they want to join.

NICE AND ACCEPTED.
Will implement this is i am a moderator in this group. there should be an escrow here. before you launch a bounty. deposit to an escrow or escrow provides rules which the BM MUST Adhere to.

we are talking about payments not quality projects here. the quality ones are not paying at the end of their campaign. what they do is change rules unnecessarily. this should be looked into for the sake of hunters.

Not fair at all. why change rules when it come to payment. that is greed and been selfish. the issue the world is suffering from. i wonder why the need for crypto which is a trusted means to fight the selfish centralized world.

I don't think it's the fault of bounty manager I just received my rewards from Adab and they cut it short by 80%, it's not the fault of the bounty manager, I'm not siding with them it's the fault of the administrators, because the administrators are the one that distributed payout after the bounty manager calculated and submitted the stakes.

My suggestion is not to rely on these shady bounties as your source of income--a lot of them have proven to do exactly what you described, which is to change the rules and payouts as the bounty goes on.  It certainly isn't fair, and you've got my sympathy if you got screwed by any of these ICO projects, but you have to realize that most of them are scams anyway.  If they have no qualms about scamming their investors, why do you think they'd be straight with the people who help promote their projects?

Theymos basically just allows these bounties to exist on bitcointalk, but he and the mods have never had anything to do with enforcing their honesty--and it's not likely they ever will.  Just like you have to be responsible for your own private keys if you own bitcoin, you have to be responsible for which bounties you take part in.  Unfortunately there's a lot that's out of your control, and there's really no good way of knowing which ones are going to scam you in the end.

Yeah, but they're kind of one and the same.  The bounty managers either are in on the scam or have no control over what the project decides to pay out.

The inhumanity meted on hunters is just becoming excess. That part of changing rule when it comes to payment is the worst, treating hunters like they are beggars. I totally join with you to solicit for a board where hunters can air their views and get such projects their deserved judgement.

Earlier as well for successful projects, neither admins nor bounty participants could do anything. Some projects delayed the payments by 6-8 months while projects like Auctus started distributing after 6 months and gave us a deadline of only 2 weeks to claim via some instructions. I missed reading the announcement and lost $10k but couldn't do anything. They not only changed the rules but delayed the payment also. BM just did not respond and help any participant.

Reducing payments also lies in the hand of the projects and BM and some make it clear that it depends on the amount they collect. Tagging such BMs is the only way out. Since there is no legal agreement, they can do whatever they want. It's like either accept it or leave it. I have received 1/4th of the amount promised by many campaigns but couldn't get any help as it depends totally on the team.

things that are difficult to ask because the initial purpose of this forum was to make the focus actually not towards bounty, but rather to share information about things that exist in bitcoin other and crypto, bounty in my opinion is not the focus here and why are you just protesting now? because first in my opinion, there are also those who do the same difference the condition was still bullish and the altcoin price is still good so it doesn't really affect the reward while for now there is no bullish

Only you yourself are responsible for participating in a project that did not keep its promises and deceived with payments. As well as for participation in scam projects, no one forces you to participate in such projects, and if you are too lazy to analyze the project deeply looking for pitfalls, the forum administration is not obliged to rake it for you.

I guess bounty hunters should just stop talking, complaining, and asking for help from moderators and take advantage of the option available to them. The forum has already created a flag system where anyone can create a flag against someone who has violated a contract. See this thread I posted two weeks ago for example https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5165178.msg51824246#msg51824246

My point exactly. And this has been on the rise recently. Like seriously thats so unfair. They just do it with no just reason

I think the management should step in to reduce the treatment given to hunters after doing promotion. This will happen when payments of bounty hunters are kept with the admins who pays after the campaign if not projects can still decide to reduce or not pay at the end.

many are more valuable than bounties in this forum, and participating in the bounty campaign is our choice so that all risks are borne alone,if you feel disadvantaged, you can report the gift manager in this forum, part of the allegations of fraud.

There is little to which the admin can do about these situations honestly, even if they come up with those suggestions, it still would not stop some of these projects from treating the hunters the way they are treating them because admin would not be able to penalize them or draft any policy that will guard against that.

The saddest thing is that you would not even know about their intention because they never state it until the end of the campaign, so how then do you introduce policy into what they never declare has their intention at the beginning of the campaign, so that it can give hunters the opportunity to choose if they will participate or not. The only thing I think may be feasible is if they make the payment of token on a daily basis, then we don’t have to wait till end of campaign before being given the token.

It seems you don't understand  how stubborn some bounty hunters are. Since you are a junior member I assumed you won't know how much the moderators here are trying to make things better. If not, things will be far worse than this. If any substantial help will come, the moderators will need more of cooperation from hunters that I believe it will be hard to have a decorum. I categorically have been telling project Dev team that not all hunters are hungry and beggars because that is what most of them think we are.

In my opinion, the forum administration and its participants are doing everything possible to rid the crypto community of forums from scam and scammers. But this is a crypto forum, it is more decentralized and is not regulated by any authorities, which means that it depends most of all on users.

I don't think Bitcointalk Admin will take a step to support the bounty hunters. Because who knows when the project reduces their allocations. After success, most of the projects don't care about their bounty supporter! Therefore many high ranking members don't like bounty things. Just post a thread about the bounty in the meta section, you will realize well!

That will be awesome and bounty hunters will also feel better and secure, i think this suggestion is very workable and practical the forum administration can nominate one senior admin or a team of senior members who can manage bounty hunter feedback and in case of scam, dishonesty, deceiving or not paying the jury can ban both the bounty manager and projects threads atleast from this forum.

sorry pal i dont think its a wise choice for this forum to have anything to do with bounty projects,this is how the reputation of this forum can live longer,if any bounty projects failed in the end bounty hunters will put the blame on this forum, its duty of bounty hunters to do better research  on projects before they participate in any bounties,as a bounty huntef its your call to make