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In this kind of bad altcoin market i am still surprised that some new projects are giving out 50% price tag for their tokens, this is a project killer if you ask me, this move is only good if altcoin season is out and surging, 50percent is way too much in this kind of market we are in presently,  tell me i'm wrong

It depends on their situation if they are looking for early investors or angel investors. It is completely justified because it takes time to develop the project and it is reasonable for the project to give a huge incentive to their investors. But if they are doing it on purpose of creating hype or to boost the sale, this is completely wrong.
giving a 50% discount or bonus in bear market could kill the project instantly because we are lacking in demand and the development can not be done in a single night which will cause pressure to the project and coin value.

The projects where you see 50% discount have chosen a very good figure. I've seen worse. There are 90% discount projects. And the tokens of these projects lose 90% after exchange listing. And when that happens, bounty hunters are being blamed. It's not fair! and no one talks about it.

Actually not always their fault, sometimes it's just the fault of the sheeps in this cryptoshpere.
As you may know we're all here to make money, some goo project simply die because they have $0 left to get listed into high liquidity exchange while other hit projects get listed there & still worth shit load of money which is kind of ironic.

I know an ICO that raised $150k only, imagine that & delivered a working product & still developing & the team is like working for free since months, they have $0 left to get listed into a decent exchange though.

There are 2 sides of the story, the development team and the crypto market always have responsibilities as to why their token died. The volatility and the way how it can carry the value of your token is almost inevitable and only the whales can control it. But as for the founding team, regardless if it's a bear or a bull market, they should have no reasons of failing as long as they have the proper roadmap set and funding. There are platforms where the community can help develop for crypto (http://daomaker.com/?utm_source=lx), like tweeting an event, writing content, building dApps, etc. The dev team can always do something and make proper efforts as to how they can protect the investors and community as a whole.

50% bonuses on their coin offerings is not that bad tbh, I've seen worst.

if they do some way so that when the market price list is not destroyed, I think it can be considered because on the other hand it is the marketing system of a project but the existing management must be careful because the bonus they give is quite large. if they do a bonus sending method divided into several rounds then I think that's good. because large bonuses sometimes make investors come, with the condition that the project can be maximized in its target

I dont know why they blame bounty hunters if ever a project will fail after listing in an exchange, only 2-5% from the allocation fund are giving away for the bounty participants, it is also divided to different kinds of campaign which is really small for every individual compared to their investors who gets extra additional coin from buying in early stage which is up to 50% of their investment.

It's a project killer in your own perspective but they are desperately selling their tokens. Discount is one of their marketing strategies so that investors will buy out their remaining tokens.
If they won't do something like that, they will have zero sales which is also going to lead their projects into death.

Well, in the first place, the project itself determines the volume of the cryptocurrency or tokens that they will going to create. They will be responsible no matter what happens on the market price if it is dumped. But I am pretty sure that each and every project is doing their best to research and study first the condition that they will going to enter when giving out discounts.

the reason why their tokens have a very bad value or no value in the exchange is that they do not make their market have a strong interest. Developers are blamed, especially if they already use money from investors to make their products and don't develop. they should have a better plan for dealing with competition in the market.

We couldn't really blame them for their sale strategy.
Just think about it there are so many projecrs out there competing against each other.
So basically they would use different kinds of strategy but they should also know how to make it work.
Because honestly those giveaways are really the one who is killing the project and that is the main reason why the projects value is so low when they hit the market.

They want to sell some tokens and get worthy cryptos under their wallet,if anyone trust those shits and dream that they will be a millionaire soon will found the reality very soon.

The fate of a coin is largely determined by the project management. A project management with expertise and professionalism is liable of succeeding because the team will eventually come up with a working product which has unique features to attract investors. The marketing team also plays its part as it ensures a strategic advertisement which leads to a successful token sales of the project.

This decision has two sides of the same coin. On the first side is a good move to attract investors, and on the other side it is a big risk. Project developers should be able to correctly use this method of attracting investors.

Thats often story. There are so many dead coins due to a lot of dead projects without devs

You are not mistaken.
That is the pure truth, it is true that there are many new projects that offer 50% discount, I think it has often happened before. And this is indeed wrong, I do not prohibit it. But this will really kill and will destroy their own tokens going forward.

I agree with that. Indeed their aim is basically like that. But most of these methods fail to apply. In sales they are indeed successful because prices have been lowered. But in the future they could not even maintain the value of the token and ended in destruction.

Early investors are very important for a startup of a project. If you have enough early investors it does not mean that you have a good project. Or if you do not have any early investors it does not mean your project is bad.

Project teams need fund for their project for build something. In some cases depends on the situation of the market it is easy to find early investors. At a bear market it is not easy, so projects can decrease the prices.

There are also projects that early investment prices are higher than public sales prices. MArket conditions determines the interest so prices.

In this crypto space and even on other spheres of life, starting up a new project is demanding, especially financially. At the beginning, much funds is needed to set things in motion and this explains the huge discount at the beginning, just a desperate effort to raise money.
They don't actually care about the impact of this in the long run, and most of the times after listing with the first pump, everyone just dumps on exchanges and move on

Here you need to understand at what stage such a discount is given. If this in the main parts of sale the this bad a badge of. The project team is thus trying to lure as many people as possible to collect at least some money. I avoid such things if I'm looking for a project to invest in. It really ruins the project, especially in this market.

This is true definition desperation by these new projects. And i will not be surprised that most of these desperate projects who offer these huge percentage discounts to lure investors end up been scam or unsuccessful because coins got sold out without attaining the funds required to develop the project.

It is very hard to trust altcoin projects nowadays. It is very hard to invest despite of these discounts they are providing because we know that the reliability of the project doesn't seem so pleasing. I'd rather invest on old project's cryptocurrency rather than to risk on new projects, I wonder if there's still profitable new altcoin project at this moment and if there is, the volume of investors will not be that good, what we need to do is to make the reputation of altcoin projects good again.

I think 50% is too much with any market condition. Because all the investors need profit. If they have a 50% bonus, they will sell them low prices immediately. Then you can see an huge dump from that coins when listed on exchanges. Then you have to learn about project analysis and token metrics before making an investment.

It will be depends on team development planning i think if their allowing 90% of purchase discount with higher amount for bounty hunter then this token will be death soon. So project die or still alive will be depends team activity and their developing working.

Developers are the one to receive blames once a project ends up not seeing huge interest from investors, well id say every developers needs to sit tight and think well before they decide to release any crypto projects because investors of nowadays are different from the time when ICO was very popular

Bonuses and discounts are somewhat necessary for new projects to attract big investors, the first main worries of every developers is investors, enough investors that they will be able to raise better funds for the project's development but scammers are simply doing the same thing too, this has to stop, if scammers are stopped many investors will be relieved and thus invest in projects

They can determine the volume if they are going to manipulate their own coin's market but this depends on the take of the people. If the demand is very low, the volume will also go down. And mostly, when the coin started to show weakness and it keeps on getting dumped, the devs are always on the go for the blame.
I highly doubt this. Many projects aren't serious with their proposal, they are just for the money.

50% is really not the worst option for everyone. An important factor is the phase at which such a discount is offered, because if this happens on a private sale, then a fairly small number of investors will receive the largest bonus, even if they buy most of the coins, it will be very good, because this part will be concentrated in a narrow circle of people, which means that the probability of coin dump immediately after listing will decrease.

Well 50% discount on presale is NEVER a good move imho, not even during the bull run; it's instant red flag on the price evaluation to me.
But it doesn't mean the killing of the project. It can just kill the price and the community interest. Development can still go on no matter the price. (And those projects i am actually looking for now)

I think everyone who dumps should be responsible. the developer might be one of the causes because they are slow to develop. but it is not a mistake, the problem is why the price of tokens is destroyed is the number of people selling. try if they were a little patient, maybe none of that would have happened.

This is a very bad move from a new crypto project, and no one project can hold their sale price on exchanges. Recently Stabledex attracted me, I thought they are good enough project but when they start giving a 50% bonus, I opted out and now Stabledex another shit project to me! I don't think any reputed project would go for this huge bonus, only shit and scam project does it.

You know why people aren't buying these projects' tokens anymore? Because they have no intrinsic value.

As the market matures, people are no longer as inclined to investing in crap tokens because they know the end goal of the project is to take investor funds and benefit themselves. The market is also extremely saturated at this point, coupled with the fact that the entire crypto market is in kind of a short term recession means that there is extremely limited interest and demand for ICO tokens in general.

So yes, in a sense new projects that have no value are responsible, but at the end of the day it still depends a lot on the market conditions, which are not favourable at this point.

These days very few projects were developed with a MVP. This is the major reason for the projects to end up dying, apart from this there is no private investors for these projects. When there is some good number of private investors automatically the projects gains trust as well an establishment for the project. Now it is very hard to find such projects which is the reason for the low usage and the value of tokens go valueless.

That huge bonuses indicates that the chance of scamming or a process of desperation from the team needs to be avoid. You are risking your money when you continue supporting and following that kind of project.

It's best to be well aware of possibilities so you'll not be wasting your time and money following and investing with project that don't have any clear direction.

Who else is responsible? Team members are likely to blame bounty hunters, but we all know it is bullshit. A failure to make wise strategic decisions, listing on bad exchanges and greed are the three most common reasons for a project to fail.

Thats the big possibility that will happen, investors will dump it for sure. More than 50% bonus is huge. After listing,anyone who has bigger hold will surely exchange his token into cash to have a profit. The remaining will be traded just to play the market, but the capital is safe already.

I saw some project made a discount about %80-90 for their private sale customers. It is not fair. But unfortunately, there is no regulation or audit for token sale process. So ICO buyers and after listing so many people get hurts.

As far as I am concerned, 50% is way too much. Generally, investors and most especially traders, believe that a project when listed will not tree at the ICO or IEO price. Particular that its price should first dump. So giving 50% will give them more propensity to dump at whatever price they wish. Which is why you sometimes see prices at -x10 the price during sale. This show s they care less about it. Although, a project with no bonus can also follow the same trend.

Under the current market conditions, thinking about the maximum profit for the new project is not a smart move by the team. Considering the recent situation on the token sales,  cutting the expectations can lead to minimum losses if the alt season is too late in the crypto market. Present altcoins also don't want to give up easily, the fight between the old and new altcoin is about winning the best possible concept for gaining more funds from the crypto investors.

Failure projects its just a result of being incompetent of the developer and giving 50% price tag is not the reason and doesn’t give any guarantee to a new project to succeed because maybe its part of their market strategy or they are giving more to attract more investors at first and become a shitcoin later on.

it seems like, for example, I have many wallets since the beginning of 2018, and most of them do not even trade on any exchange, although the fees were successful

We should start looking away from new projects, they are mostly looking for space in the market not adding any value to the ecosystem and human. Most analysis about the market condition tends to go deep into factors that had brought the market to this downward trend for so long; like the scams in the space, whales manipulation, new regulations and sentiment from the long period of loss etc. Bear market are bound to happen but this came with lots of eye openings.

Exactly. Poor efforts from developer to keep alive, no proper developments according to roadmap will obviously lose interest.

Giving a huge discount at funding stage is not something that should be held responsible for projects failure. I want to know how some of you guys find these two things related. Hope someone can explain me.

Not all projects so watch their coins.  But as a rule, it is they who are responsible for their failure.  After all, developers who have collected a large amount of funds do not need to make a redemption of a coin in the proper amount to maintain the normal price and functioning of the coin. Therefore, the developer who send their coins to the mercy of fate make a mistake.

Not only the project teams are to be blamed. Although the major faults are from them by not developing their project to the point of having major products before being listed. There are some investors that in order to take cheap advantage of bounty hunters, they bid ridiculously low buying price and many projects finally finds it difficult to recover from.

If which project is really looking enough legit i don't think they need to attract investors by 50% to 90% token sell discounts. This is not a best way to promote. Just it’s enough to highly affected in coin values when list in the exchanges. Shit projects are always offering huge discount to create big hype but i think most of the projects failed which are following the way. Project liquidity is the main thing to reach ultimate goal.                     

I think that the problem some project have is finance and this is very important to help a token growth. At least , finance or a reasonable portion of the coin is needed to get a token to be listed in top exchanges to guarantee good trade volume.
So because of the scam from icos, investors don't show interest, that makes money raised minimal which can't finance much.

50% discount is made by devs who do not value their project. So for now, raising enough money is more important to them. After collecting money, there is nothing that can be related to them. The future of the project, its price and roadmap are now less important. In the current situation of the market, it creates supply rather than demand, which means a big dump in price. The reason for such a discount might be to attract investors' attention but the current $100 profit will return as $100,000 loss in the future.

Yes and no. Not all projects can keep their coin afloat, and not all projects need it. Yes, a coin is a very important component of the project, provided that it is used in the ecosystem and has a certain application. If the coin is purely speculative, and the project already has enough finances, I think it’s nothing to worry about.

They are not only do nothing but these crap teams behind scam project are also spending the money for their lives. They are using the money without any transparency and i have seen so many teams are getting out of funds even before this scammer started to create something.

Most of project dead after their launch project in exchanges and some of them care about their project and struggle to maintain their price and most of them just selloff in market and after that, they earned profit they gone and never see again their project due to non-serious and just launch for making a profit.

Many new project are dead because depend on how bitcoin and altcoin price today, with bitcoin still lower price and ethereum stil under $200 I think many new coin or new project hard to get raised with higher price after listing on exchange market, although dev and team of project never getting give best service for their coin for listing according based on the road map and listed with big exchange market and have many exchange for listing.

Adding projects without any case value will ends nothing but failures. Why bother to support such tokens if there's no real use just adding options for pumped and dumped, It's very risky to invest with new project it's need a deeper understanding good sets of research regarding to the team and the prospect use if its really have its worth being supported. The situations is no longer the same with 2017 hypes carefully assess everything first before putting your investment.

Depend's I think if the project is really good, the 50% could be nothing especially if the demand is highly great. Ive seen projects with high bonus during their ICO on last 2017 and I can say some investors are really lucky since they got a good figures selling the bonus alone can earned them big but different case today since the market is in pretty bad shape.

In the name of luring investors, bounty projects often give high degrees of discount ranging from 40 percent to 80 percent. But ultimately this high degree of discount backs fire in the end. I think it is bad practice to provide high degree of discount on the purchase of coins. What happen when the coin that has given high degree of discount is its price falls to almost zero when exchange listing.

I also noticed those new projects are now on top while some projects that were very popular in the last 3 years ago are now below the top 20 rank. What is very noticeable is that the new ones that replaces them on the ranks has similar concepts. The result to having same concepts like WAVES is that the side projects are similar projects as well which are now flooding the market. TRX for example just rapidly grow just like EOS but then Lisk, Stratis and WAVES are not coping up the pace.

that could be bad or good news, depending on the project itself we know that the current market conditions are bad that's why they make promos to get interest from investors but yes we know that it is also a bad move to give a 50% discount in such circumstances this.
so it all depends on the project itself, if indeed their project is good then it will not be a problem 50% it might make the price go down in the beginning but will slowly improve.

50% means you can get 2x token amount for same normal price, which is too many i think.
But it is the team decision, maybe they have some planning regarding that.
For example, they will lock the tokens that have been bought with 50% price for 2 years.

For sure, but 99 percent of all projects do not want to be responsible for their actions and are very likely to blame anyone rather than themselves. Thats why the most projects are blaming bad market or bounty hunters.

You're making sense. The owner takes full credits on what happens on their coin. Because if they stayed true to their promises, keep on giving people updates on their project, keeps on communicating and asking for suggestions from their consumers. All that should be done by project holders. But, partly, you should blame some bounty hunters, and other hodlers that are dumping all the way.

There are a lot of project that give presale bonus to investor. Maybe when ICO price is X amount of money, you can get price less than that. So they wouldn't wait price to reach ICO price and as long they get profit, they will dump their coins. Supply for sale like that usually big enough to make price affected.

if a new project offers 50% to the initial investor does not mean the project killer, in fact it is one form of attracting market investment. and it is important that one can analyze first before joining any project including large bids.

Avoid buying coins or tokens at a discount of more than 10%, although this is considered a sales strategy but I think projects like this are already desperate. good projects simply rely on the good products introduction without having to give discounts, because even though you have bought and got an extra token, the question is whether the token is worth.

I think you're not.. for me I am still finding for a better project than surprising my self with those project who gave high percentage with their tokens.. all of them will not give us profit. like as you said they're killing us. to stay away with this projects. we need to accumulate more info to them and think twice before taking any move.

somehow new projects are always not the same as you can review projects that can survive and have a future, for their tokens for sure you can notify those dangerous projects and safe projects from now.

Are we talking about pre-sale?
It will be normal for any ICO giving out 50 percent for the first week and then going down as time goes on until they will be selling it at a normal price.

You could give us an example so that we could check it. If 50 percent was done for a long time then it will most likely be a scam.

Your words are like the truth.
Many projects did not set the correct price relative to the current market and market downtrend during the initial sales. Which subsequently led to an imbalance in prices with a subsequent drop in the overall capitalization of the project. Of course, there are exceptions to the market, but as a rule they are located in the IEO area on large exchanges.

Before it's necessary they provide big bonus to early investors since the market those time is increasing and projects are normally closed faster with reaching the Hard cap, now if they offer too high bouns despite the market condition and knowing the projects now is having a hard time to reach sofcaps, we should now ask ourselves it might be a scammers trap.

I don't think so. Discounts are given to attract investors so as to form a strong market capacity, so there is no harm in giving a large discount for the first investor to join because forming a trust for the first time requires a strong effort. A truly serious project must have considered the condition of various discounts as their marketing strategy. Unfortunately, unfavorable market conditions make most of the activities in cryptocurrency to be full of risk and not as expected.

I think this is really just their marketing strategy but I wonder what was this project that OP was talking about? I wonder why would a project like that would give a 50% price tag to their token if the 100% real price would lift them. Although there's no safeguard that the project would be successful if they set the real price of each token.

In my opinion, the answer is obvious. Libra's partners could not stand the pressure of regulators. What does this tell us?
Now politicians in many countries are united under the slogan that cryptocurrency can harm the financial system. But how? Whether or not to use cryptocurrency is everyone's choice.
It turns out that governments deprive their citizens of their free choice if they prohibit one or another cryptocurrency.

If the project is fully backed up by the experienced team members and the idea of the project is not a copy-paste bunch of words, investing in the project makes matters for me personally. The bonus amounts were sold by the early investors in order to take back their losses caused by the underestimated market situation. Trading the token of the new project is not as easy as I expect and waiting for the listing can kill the potential profit.

sometimes more than 50% even 100% on private sale stage
maybe this is only a kind of marketing strategy from the project team,
and personally i will calculate the real value by the first bonus mate
for example if the basic price of a new project about $1 and in the first stage of crowdsale they give about 100% bonus to the investors,,
in my view, the real price of the project its only $0.5 mate

I agree with you, that the developer mistake in the sale of the ICO that gives a great say discount.
Listings in the bad market exchanges make the price go down and down. And when there is no innovation in the project that can be destroyed the price of their coin and die.

well, 50% in the pre-sale is a normal discount, as you noted the most important thing is not to list on the one-day exchanges. then there will be a drain of the token and its saturation in the mass of people, the price will then be difficult to raise.

Lower under 50% and have coin lower under 70% after listing its make new project become death after trading in market, team not really want to give special thing with their new coin after listing and have good planning with their coin, with new project ICO coin death with lower price many investor still waiting for investing with new project at the next time, now new coin have woke up to move their bad price with open new coin and have higher price after listing although just one month.

I do not think this is the actual cause, every body has his or her own way of marketing his products and to tell even most of this projects list below marlet price and this has also affected more investors than you can ever taught, come to think of it projects lying about funds raised during ico and ieo?

It is not about Bitcoin prices all the time. Look at the Beam, Harmony, SERO projects. Their price higher than the sale price, because people found something great on these projects, so they are investing or holding. A new project with nothing new and unique can't get good support from the people. Even Binance couldn't help some of their listed projects from the downfall, because that project has no use cases after several months. It is good to see that crypto has lots of mature people than before!

It's their choice if a project wants to lay down a huge bonus for their investors. Yes that's correct a project that is giving huge bonus can only affect its price especially if there is no lock out for those bonus tokens. There should be a lockup period for the unlocking of these bonuses since it could wager huge supply in the market that causes low demand.

Rather than giving a 50% discount, they should withdraw 50% of the tokens from the ICO and keep it as reserve. This will lower the soft-cap and the chances will increase for the ICO to be a successful one. Still, fist the team needs to admit that the ICO market is not doing that great right now. Only the best projects with well defined timelines and deliverable will be able to survive. Half baked products have no future in the market. So it is up to them to decide. If they want to go ahead with sharp discounts, then let them do that. Else, they could continuously work on the project and list it when the market conditions improve. There is a very good chance that the market sentiments may change in the future.  

All these coins, in reality, do not have value at all, until they get in the market and traders start trading them, it's the supply and demand in the market that sets the price, do not be deceived that if you are going to get 50% off you are going to make a profit right away, unless you see that it's the price that traders are putting on that coin, do not carry this kind of thinking when buying, check the platform whitepaper and full details. then you will have the idea.

I think they don't have trust in their own project, so give a 50% bonus to investors. Yes, it is part of marketing, but some people judge that they will not glance at this kind of project because it will end up with a price that is not in accordance with the promise when entering the exchange. It's better to buy when it's on the market than having to go to the store.

It is actually more difficult than it looks, people think it is easy to start a project and run it, when you have millions of dollars funded everyone expects you to be suddenly awesome, do you realize how many tokens and coins out there?

There are literally thousands of coins out there, in order to be different than all the others you have to do so many things differently and yet it is still not enough most of the time, you spend millions on developers, designers and even marketers but as long as there is not enough attention to your coin you can't get people to look at you by force, they need to start looking at you and tell other people as well. It is really difficult, I have seen an ICO that got 6 million dollars in funding go bankrupt and even spent 250k of owners money while at it.

This is one of the criteria that I am already using to filter some of the projects that I get to participate in, most of these projects with huge rewards are just scam projects, they only use that to entice the investors to bring their money, because in this era where we have lots of investors that are only seeing the project not for what they stand for , but for the profit that they get to gain from them.

These developers should know already that 50 percent reward are some of the rewards that will crash the market and I think they don’t care, because this is one of the easiest ways to exit the market. If a project fails as a result of dumping, everyone would just blame it on dumping without knowing that it is actually a tactic from the developer to exit the market finally.

For new projects, it is usual to give a large discount to the initial investor. Competition to seize investor funds for new projects is very tight and one of the ways to attract them is to provide a large discount. If the project is good, even though it doesn't offer a big discount, I think investors will still be interested

But in fact today many projects are dead and all of them do not provide much benefit to the participants. they even left no updates on the clarity of the project after funding. and if like that the price on exhcange will definitely drop large enough it could be until there is no buy order. very sad with these conditions

The token died, which led to the project losing its value, the company had no measures to solve, no large capital from angel investors or they were too poor. I think not many projects use the money raised from investors to develop products.

Most of them are just aiming for benefits so  why they will use the money that they've got from the introductory sales.

Being professional to the field always bring the advantage to scammers who are just lurking around to find potential victims.

Tokens died eventually as the creators is not interested to any updates and progress it's all about the money that they've gonna take from the project.

Who else is responsible and it entirely on devs and team managers. They can blame hunters and market how often they like, but at the end those problems are their miscalculation and regular investors have nothing to do with this.

Most real projects will never do such a thing, it has become so glaring to me now that these projects knows what they are doing by giving such huge rewards, they knew right from the onset that it was going to be a very big problem for the project which they do not care because that was actually their tactics to use in making the project dump for people to forget about the project.

I have come to realize also that some of the projects that we need to start going far away from are these projects with huge rewards because it is absolutely impossible for them not to be a dump coin by the time all the investors dump the reward alone on the market will surely crumble the value that the project had built and may eventually turn it to a shitcoins.

but the team did not do the advanced strategy if they give a big bonus, maybe some developers who did the strategy give a big bonus to investors but they were not ready if the price dropped in the market. therefore, the bonuses given should not be large but sufficient bonuses to attract the attention of investors, maybe would be wiser

They gives offer 50% of normal price because they want more peoples to invest, buying their token.
But the discount rate should not be too high, the value of their token will be difficult to increase later.
Actually, the project killer is the non-transparency, we won't know whether the devs will burn or lock the unsold token, not selling it later.

If it is a business strategy, I think it is not profitable for buyers because the market price will also not be like the prices in the tokensale. Therefore it's useless to give a bonus at the beginning if only to attract buyers. It's better to use other marketing strategies that can boost the selling value on the market rather than giving a bonus. I think like that.

I know so many fake project are ongoing and so many peoples are invest in wrong way but i have better idea about hawk network since it's start, you can also take a look on that with twiiter link,  https://twitter.com/Hawk_HKC/status/1184768244802052096

they give high discounts because at the early beginning of the project no one believes in the implementation of the project and therefore they are trying to attract money - with big discounts or bonuses. Sometimes it is succeed

People think it is an easy task to grab investors for their tokens. They think they can be like bitcoin or may even defeat it but once they really get to do the job, most of them run away. Creating something is one task but marketing it and gaining value is a whole different game. Moreover, there is no point in trying out new tokens when we have options like bitcoin and ethereum. One can become very rich with these in hands.

New projects are mostly scam or not well planned projects, as for me i don't create huge interest in new projects unless i detect some reasonable facts through research on the projects

They are the one that created the price, not the market if they are giving away 50% they can proceed, if they have a good potential in the market, investors will go for it, if not even if they offer 100% they will be ignored.
We have seen so many times investors are angry because the price they bought on the coin is way down below their expected price, don't be deceive don't go for the price, look for the potential, it's also dubious if the project just wants to sell all their coins at any cost even at 50 to 80% off, think why they are selling and your guess is as good as mine.

Despite the season, giving such amount is not good for any project. First giving out a 50% bonus only leads to dump from the part of the token investors when bonus is paid to them. 5-10% is appropriate during Tokensale.

I believe you mean 50% bonus when one invest in token sale right? If so, then some just do this as a marketing strategy. For example, if they intend to sell the token at 1$ per token originally, they can say token price is 1.5$ plus 50% discount. This means even if one invests at 1.5$ per token with the bonus, it's still same as their original plan. Good tokenomics is what I look out for, and not just the bonus given.

If the team works well on the development of their project, such discounts will not affect their coin in the future. In fact, there are no secrets here. The team is either working on the project or not. His success and the price of the coin depend on it.

It is a strategy for them to promote their project. A 50% discount is kinda the maximum discount for me; any higher than that will be a big loss to the project. And with the amount, I hope it is only for the first 20 or so investors or like the first week or so of the project. There is no problem with them giving discounts as long as it is not too good to be true or else, the people will start to doubt them. It's discount we are talking and not profit afterall.

It could be a "project killer" but it can also help the project to be advertised as long as the promo is linited to only some people with a specific time. New projects want to be popular in the market and the fastest way to do that is to offer the potential investors promo if they will be the ones who will invest first in the project. It's kind of a loyalty award or veteran award or something and who knows if the project succeed and become a strong competitor someday, you can share the credit of being one of the few who pioneered it.

Giving discount is nothing better than without discount what I mean is even . if they are giving away 200% discount it is not like that the coin price will remains the same or not cut off or less estimated because the discount. It's already happening so much time and proven that giving discount means higher chance of token price dumping. Most of the project that giving away discount are those project that wants to reach the target even though the demand is underwhelming or those money grabber anyway. discount just doesnt make sense.

We can't directly put blame with them, not only new projects suffer such declining market trends, even those old and reliable projects.
The only problem is that these new projects never have potentials that will attract investors and traders in order for them to grow and to compete with the other. But instead, the team left their project turning down which people think negative about it.

but big discounts can temporarily affect the price of their token, but if you look in the long term, it doesn’t matter. if the team does not drop the project then the price will recover

Of course you are right. A 50% discount or bonus when selling your tokens is just an option to raise money. I believe that if a project carries value, then admins will never sell tokens or coins of their platform with a big discount or big bonuses. All this will definitely lead to a price drain and a loss of money for all project participants. Of course, such proposals are best passed by.

When you promise what you cannot give, what should be expected of such is failure. This is why project team that promises too much, is only doing that to get what they wanted and one should have known that such is full of lies and it is better to walk away from it.

Not only give a temporary effect but it can give a huge impact that will create a big dump for its own altcoin forever. The result of development should be the next achievement to be determined as a factor whether this coin will die or not. but I'm sure about the big discount can even kill the price of altcoin since it has started to be traded on the market. Even a good result on the development can't help a lot in this case.

It is no wonder that many projects whose tokens have died sooner, the project team should have been able to anticipate this problem, because many people participated but unfortunately no reward at all, teamwork is very important for a project, so the success of a project is in teamwork good and of course must be responsible.

I think if a project gives a 50% discount to 90%, a project should be calculated first before giving a large discount that is only profitable for investors but not for bounty participants, almost all projects are willing to win themselves rules can be alone replaced one day without any agreement participating in a project.

all depends on the intention of the team, so a big bonus does not mean that the coins will die, in fact prizes are given to glance at investors' interest to buy their coins but there are also projects that offer large bonuses only for fraud so we must be careful in choosing projects that want to we invest

Bounty Participant and Discounts obtained by investors have nothing to do with the altcoin price they charge in every agreement they write on the website.
Personal sales will provide discounts of up to 30% but with a high number of purchases, for example, if an investor has $ 10,000 and wants to invest, then they will get a discount of more than 30%, this can happen to get the initial funding and get a soft cup is very difficult because of several fraudulent projects.

No, you're not wrong.  Those are signs of fraudulent projects.  there have been many new investors cheated by this model.  Greedy people are often trapped by a big discount and we shouldn't be involved in any project with a big discount.  The risk is very high.

What do you mean by big discount?
If you mean that is bonuses, it sounds to be normal in all project, even BNB did some and many legit project. What was wrong with that if we are tempted to much and put huge money on them without thinking if this project is reliable and have a better future. This is a common mistakes of everyone, too much trust and confidence. If we look into its profitability, we must have to look also the team behind and to know if this is already in the market.

They even giving 80% discount actually, which  they think can attract more investors. Way back 2017 maybe they can still have some investors but nowadays people has been and tired enough doing investing, they know now the reality, they know that those kind of models are likely scam.

Only if what they have in mind in the first place is the survival of the project, i think they are using the percentage to lure investors to invest in the project, if they have good or high percentage for investors people will want to invest

Usually this is done to attract as many investors as possible and this often works of course, but the fact is that after listing a token on the very first exchange, investors start selling a huge amount of their tokens, which leads to a huge dump and because of this, the token price can’t grow up.

Some investors why did they sell early? because actually they get a huge bonus at the time of sale at the time of purchase. of course they have done the calculation whether at that time when selling they will get a profit or not ?. the average bonus is now 50-10% and a very large amount for the market dump at initial listing

True, almost all projects promise to be responsible for the death of their tokens, but what happens on the market is the opposite, because until now there are so many tokens that are cheap and some are delisted by the exchange because there is no trading volume.

Nobody else, but project team members and developers are responsible for huge price dumps. This is happening most likely because of big discounts or bonuses for pre sale investors, as well as because of huge bounty allocations.

I think you are right... this is one of the things that is killing new projects... and we also need to take into account that many of these that are offering 50%, are just trying to grab as much money as they can before they run...
People are more suspicious and informed now...

Its not always the teams fault for example if they fail to meet their softcap target there will be problem on development side and it will be hard to get listed on good exchanges, good exchanges always require large value of money, you did have a point about new projects giving out too high bonuses but not all death projects give out high bonuses

yes, indeed. but we are in a condition like this, a condition where the altcoin market is very bad. if the token price is 50%, it will be very low because the exchange value to the altcoin is very low, even if it's 100%. I even got $ 10 for one projet that was worked on for 3 months. that is the impact of the altcoin market also which is not getting better.

there is also another alternative from the teams, namely by holding the token to launch and waiting for the market to improve. but it actually gets criticized because some people are impatient. in my opinion the steps to hold the launch process are appropriate, given the altcoin exchange rate like this.

This kind of marketing strategy became a habit for project developers in the crypto-sphere, I do not object with bonuses and bounties because its the right thing to compensate all of the participants but they should limit the allocation to reduce the price being after the token sale or at least locked part of the tokens before going on exchanges.

Maybe they do it to attract investors. But have you ever wondered what their true purpose is? Don't you wonder that they do this?
This is because of their evil intentions! I'm sure that these projects are 100% scams that give you a 50% discount just to sell a token that has no real value.

But sometimes they didn't get a profitable from doing that because even they have bonus then when the project doesn't success it value, they've lost their profit.  Some investor wait to increase the price until the marketcap done then they do trade their money because there's a large percentage that the value would dump.

they also always say that they cannot control prices after listing. they say that they do not control the market. the funny thing is that selling some small amount of coins at low prices leads to a serious dump of the price

Many sectors assess whether a project is fraudulent or not, in terms of data collection it is important before investing and always careful consideration. Most fraud projects certainly offer attractive offers but they cannot explain the whitepaper in detail

Data collection with how much money they have received and how much coin sold out become make coin have many investor at the future, when investor know detail with how much coin sold out the investor want to invest and know how coin supply on market. How much coin save in dev wallet or ico team.

Thats right to certain extent. People wanted to make use of this new boom and earn quickly. So most started scamming people which will eventually kill this whole field. Short term vision always dont help.

50% discount price on token presales is still too much, giving this out to early adopters will result in early dumps and late investors will be the ones in trouble, it takes good research to detect serious teams and developers nowadays.

It is all down to how the project team views the future. They might believe that the project will generate high demand later and so they can risk giving out huge bonuses only to investors who buy the tokens early

If we take into account the current situation on the market, then it is very difficult for projects now to raise funds. To improve the fee situation, some projects resort to measures such as a 50% discount or bonus. Of course, it may be bad to play with the price of a token or project coins in the future, but this is one way to raise enough funds for the implementation of your project.

This campaign has two sides. The good side is to attract investment. The bad side is the market imbalance. I think the market will be destroyed if there is a 50% bonus. If so, when it reaches us, its price will be lowered very low or nothing.

You are not wrong yet. I also see a bad thing happening in the altcoin market just like you. The token is not always great.  :(

If you talk about the pre-sale bonuses for early bird investors, it is not the main effect of the dump caused by the earl;y investors. The new projects usually don't take a lesson from the previous bounty campaigns and they usually repeat the same mistakes. It is a commonly known mistake among the teams but the market side of the process is not controllable by any group of professionals.

If new projects are all responsible for the death of their tokens, that's pretty cool, isn't it. Projects should not be overly confident in tokens. If not careful, he may kill himself.

The tokens are a good opportunity for us but not all projects are real and there are no scams. It is better to set a stable price for tokens. Do you think like me ?

I would be happy to add that tokens day by day looks like junk, especially tokens that use the ethereum platform. They continue to arrive, but usually have short life span. From there, we can see performance of a project and said that the project could not handle the collapse of their own token prices, they really lack of strategy.

It's true. I believe that the team is fully responsible for its product and for its coin. Therefore, even at the stage of sale of tokens you need to think about the future coin.

Most times this can mean that the team is desperately looking for a way to sell off without considering the long term effect in price. Reducing the price means the investors will buy more thus once listed they will dump and move on. Also, from another angle, most team still goes ahead to place a locking mechanism to the tokens to control the price.
Lastly from my own opinion, it is way too much, and solid projects doesn't or hardly do such.

in my opinion the people who kill altcoin aren't because of the high price tag that reaches 50% ... because there are so many projects that can grow well and last a long time because they provide price tags reaching up to more than 50% ...but there is another problem that makes altcoin dead. one of them is altcoin developers who are not serious in creating a product, many developers are only looking for profit for a moment. so they don't care about the growth of altcoin

You are absolutely right that most projects die because the developers are not serious and what they think is only a momentary profit that is like cheating investors.