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I see lot of people here hates Islam for many reason and I would like to know each personals why they are hating,mention the reasons.

I am a Muslim but not a Jihad or extremist,I love my life since its become peaceful and no one has controlling me like what others think.

One particular thing I hate from Islam is Multiple marriages allowed because it was created for good intention but now its being misused.

The first and main thing is they didnt help us in Normandy.

You meant the people or Arab countries?

I really respect my Muslim friends, but one thing I don't like about Muslims is understanding its radicalism,
like saying other religions are "infidels", must choose a leader who is Muslim despite his poor performance,
polygamy is allowed, a man will be married to 72 angels in heaven,
although at present many Muslims are very tolerant, but many do not and still uphold radicalism.

No. The Arab Islamic friends of T.E. Lawrence of Arabia.

 :D

I've seen some people that really abuse this law of your religion. Is it also allowed to marry a younger age? a minor? Because I've seen someone on the news converted to Islam just for that.

I don't hate Islam or Muslim people, in fact I have friends that's into this religion and they really are easy to approach and decent. That's why I respect all of your beliefs and thoughts. The misconception that's spreading is because of those who are using Islam to bring terror, they bring wrong impression and fear to the people that affects other innocent Muslims.

I am not defending. But marrying at such a young was prevalent in those days and even very recently as well. You should ask your family about the age your grandmother or her mother got married at. I am sure you will be surprised at the answer you will get ;)

As far as I know there is no age was defined to get married but there are sayings from Prophet,when a man has earned enough money to live his life with the partner then he is ready to get married but he cannot marry anyone he wants,the girl should accept him along with her parents or else it is haram.

From an old agnostic person. I treat all the human spiritual believes in the same way. I think that every relegious doctrine is dangerous enough to kill anything and everything by just admitting that this is the willing of God. According to the religion's history, would anyone count how many persons had been killed or raped or slaved because of religious morals and wars? The Ibrahimic religions are the worst religious experience for the human being during all his history.
About Islam, it's a peaceful religion as anybody can confirm. Muslims are human beings enjoying a spiritual experience. Like all other believers. But by checking some of the god speech in the Quranic text (it's comsidered as the speech of Allah) we can easly get chocked by some verses. I will give some examples and just think by yourself if this religion really deserve respect (am not saying that muslims don't deserve to be respected as they are free to believe in whatever they think is from god) :
- Slavery in Islam is allowed, and has been confirmed by many verses.
- Polygamy is also allowed.
- Considering non-muslims as ennemies and treat them in a humilated way; ex, non muslim living with muslims has to convert to Islam or pay the famous tax AlJezia.
- Men are favored by God while women are in a low level, and this is confirmed in so many situations like in heritage divisions and devorces and even in Islamic heaven we can read about a lot of promises for men but barely nothing for women.
- Any muslim has to defend for his brother in Islam even he did wrong.
- According to some related books, it is allowed to marry children and fuck a dead wife (yes it is true) and many funny legislations that are in contradiction total with the international convention of human rights.
Would anybody feel confortable with such a dogmatic religion?
Hhhhhh , recently read that some islamic institutions confirmed that using bitcoin is not allowed "haram" as gambling is Haram and also trade. While am in love with Red wine, islam also forbidds alcohol drinks.

Every religion have minus and plus, also in Islam.
I am Islam, what i hate why terrorist is always linked with Islam. I already study every religion, they don't teach about killing people is accepted.
Also don't too much hate other religion, that is up to them to choose what religion to have.

Thanks for your opinion about Islam,ump they were ain Islam gambling is prohibited but saying bitcoin as haram from Islamic institutions proves how dump they were and I will not give attention those things anyway.

People keep sating slavery is allowed in Islam which is mentioned in Quran,please someone give the Arabic version of these versus then I can ask people about that and let here know why it was mentioned in that way.

I only believes we are slaves of God,and no need to bow for anyone even to the Prophet as far as I know.

Alcohol is prohibited by the way in Islam,scientific research says if someone consume ALcohol once in their life it causes some mismanagement in the stomach area not sure what these things about.

The fact that Islam is a supremacist, imperialist political ideology masquerading as a religion.

The fact that Muslims do not kick out Islamists and Jihadists from their ranks.

The fact that the Quran contains scientific nonsense and contradictions.

There is a lot of places to talk about religion. especially to clear the misconception about ISLAM. if you are from London, there is a place called "Speakers Corner" where all of the religious persons on earth can go there and ask the right persons about their religions. There are also a lot of videos on youtube from speakers corner to understand more about ISLAM, I mean the real Islam. not from the one who hates it or from a bias media. like for example in this video, you can see the people are willing to know about ISLAM so they ask the right person about it.



https://i.ibb.co/W37GsLZ/Screenshot-1.jpg
Dawah To Young Visitors Speaker's Corner Hyde Park (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t9qr0uz_bM)

So you believe in stoning women if they are raped?

Kill your daughter if she kisses an infidel?

Rape your sister if she does not wear burka?

Read a middle ages book about a dude who walked the desert and saw some aliens?

You either live in a bubble or hace no clue about modern society, geez, multiple marrige was a good cause? Sending away young boys to old male "teachers" in Afghanistan eho rape them every bight is a good cause too?

I don't think Quran said people to rape women,if they do then they are doing wrong so how can you blame a religion for people's sin.

I also agree with you. Though I don't know or ever read Quran.

I haven't studied Islam meticulously but I think that the worst part in this religion is the inequality of men and women.
If I am not mistaken, women are not as equal as men and in many occasions they face death penalties or even they throw rocks at them.

Well for one thing, the treatment of apostates. If it's so good that it's superiority is self-evident, why the need to hunt down and kill apostates?


I agree with the things you pointed out. However one thing we should not was that tho the old Abrahamic religion condones slavery and polygamy, you pretty Christian countries have outlawed it and I believe slavery is also illegal in Israel (not sure about polygamy among modern Jews). The status of women in these societies are also more or less equal with men.

These religions have "changed". Islam didn't. It's the newest of the 3 Abrahamic religions and yet it's the one the most "conservative" one.

Before the Islam born the penalties were more agressive like women will be buried with died husband and etc,later widows got life from multiple marriages but there is no necessity for that to happen but still rich fuckers and whores abusing it in the name of Islam.

In fact, i don't like the statement that Islam is the most conservative religion. There do exist conservative groups in every Abrahimic religion. As every society culture has its specifications. Majority of Islamic countries sign the treatement of human rights just after getting their independance, so many things has just changed in few years without anyone noticed it; i mean last slave market in Saudi Arabia for example is backed to 1960th and there is a recorded video of it, try to google it. Many of those countries rejected many practises that was confirmed by religion. But many others are still forcing religious judgements. I would mention Iran and Saudi Arabia but also Mauritanie and Lybie. Recently this year, the Mauritanian govermant fight a slave market in some of its regions.  Yemen has the highest level of marrying child girls.
Yes i agree that islam needs a lot of hard work for new reviews.

All of these religions when followed well brings nothing to this Earth but misery. If you are a real Muslim or Christian you need to convince the other people to follow your belief in order to save them. If they don't follow then you won't be friendly, communicate or help them because they are sinners and they won't be saved. These 2 religions are very dangerous no wonder both have their crusade wars. Lucky that most powerful countries are now nonreligious and tolerant to democracy and respect. Imagine if the US will flex its power and imposes or favoring Christianity in the world?

China and Russia are tolerant but with strict limitations too. The young  and powerful Prince in Saudi is becoming more liberal too.

One day, people will realize that the true religion is humanity and the world we are living. Our resources are starting to deplete and the climate is worsening. These very religious people don't care about these worldly happenings because they believe that their gods made these worsening events for a reason and that there is heaven waiting for them.

I want to make the distinction between Islam the religion and the culture of its follower.

Of course you will find some die-hard muslim from some very radical countries whose follower are not very well educated.
But anyone can be gas-lighted to have their belief distorted.

Muslim in Indonesia don't behave and have the same practice than in Saudi Arabia, same as muslims in America.


Slavery was accepted in Christianity, have you forgotten the slave trade between europe and the USA

Not everywhere, only if the country you live in allows it. Mainly in poor countries where wife could have died in labour and where men would go to war and die, widows would then remarry.
At least a few branches of the christianity allow polygamy (even though it is not the majority). I don't believe reading about American mulsim having multiple wife, nor in any european countries.

Not really, many muslims where against saddam hussein, And trial and court exist, have you heard of a muslim judge saying : you both are muslim so i can't pick one that is guilty, you are both not gulty.

Hum, fuck a dead wife ? i'd like to see the quote. As per marrying children, this has been done in every abrahamic religion. Better not look at what catholic priest nowadays behind closest door ;)

I do respect your point of view, but you (like me) obviously cherry picked the part that you want to see.




It depends where you live, nowadays i would say that most terrorists are white male with supremacist idea - I wouldn't go as far as saying that they wish everybody was a christian (because they very often say that they are NOT doing this for the religion) but it is not hard to imagine their real motive.




Refer to Judaism as well
I didn't see many priest being kicked out of the church for pedophilia

What about the bible, any trace of that big boat where two of each species sailed during the judgment day.
Or about the earth was made in 7  days .... What about that magical cup that changes water in wine ?


I didn't see many stoning in USA or England, are you telling me that NO muslim women was ever raped in England or in the Great U of the SA ?
This is a practice that is country dependant, that most muslim condemn and that is mainly due to poor education of the local communities. 
By the way, back in USA and Europe, 16th -18th century, women were burnt alive because they were suspected to be witches.
Up until the 1960, black people where killed and burnt by white christian supremacist just for being black (but they had the same religion).

I didn't see many young muslim being killed in America after a kiss at school, again written, but just applied by gas-lighted people in poor uneducated country.

Burka : this one is on the most interesting. To be fair, i only did the research about it a few months ago. It blew my mind. So back in the first years of Islam. In the middle eastern region, small town didn't have public restroom (same as europe, and the USA where far from being discovered by a european boats). So women went to the woods or outside of the city at night to go to the bathroom. Back at that time, vile men where lurking outside city to find women to rape (we don't know if they were muslim, agnostic, jew or christians). 
A women wearing a scalf / veil was a free women, she had a husband and could have money, touching her would expose the rapist to hars punishment if they were caught. So women wearing the veil (burka) were safe. Slave however were a free for all. After a while the situation was explained to Mahomet. According to scriptures he consulted with god and god answered that all women should feel safe and that slaves should also be wearing the protective veil. So no rapist would touch them. Free women, gave away they old Burka to their slaves. And there come the story of why most women wear the burka in the old time. Oh by the way, great way to prevent heat stroke before the invention of cap, and suncream.


What about a book about a dude that open the read see so it people can cross (they didn't have boat).
Or the book about the magical cup that changes water in wine with the folk that can run a marathon on water.

Who is in its bubble ? we are all in a bubble of the thing we try to believe in.
People still believe today that the earth is flat and that vaccins cause autism.

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Long story short, Islam, like any other religion is perfect. But i guess it is an easy target since 9-11 (that was probably an inside job).

You guys should look at hindouism, they are the real fanatics, they kill any Indian that converted to other religion because they believe that once an indu  you can't ever be something else.
. source : https://www.newsweek.com/how-hindu-extremists-are-shutting-down-christian-churches-why-are-you-1360934

The OP was about Islam.  So don't change the subject. All religious texts are utter nonsense.  The Quran is one of the latest versions.

If you are so interested in all the nonsense in the Bible, here it is:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

You're goofy. The religious texts known as science theory are not all utter nonsense. You really need to study the religious texts a little more to see how many of them make perfect sense.

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Okay, I understand now then the guy should at least offer a certain amount of money to the parents of his woman that he will marry for the approval?

And if the guy wants to marry another woman, he should get the consent of his first wife? but if the guy marries another woman without the consent of his wife, that's haram/not allowed. Is that correct?

By the way, offering money For wedding  has been the case for centuries in many European countries (not so much lately). Well at least proving that you have money to bring to the pot / buying all the whiteware was the responsibility of the soon to be husband.

yes that's right, you should offer a certain amount of money to a woman's parents, but it's not mandatory. that must be done by a man there must be a marriage contract requested by the prospective wife.

That's right, if the man wants to marry another woman, he must get the approval of his first wife. not allowed, if the man marries another woman, but does not get approval from the first wife.

In Islam you can marry up to 4 women, sin / not permitted if more than that. and a man must be fair & wise to his wives.

I hate their mentality when someone feels that they were aggravated, let’s say verbally, everyone in their community will join even if its their member’s fault. I don’t know if it’s part of the their religious culture but it’s annoying.

One more thing is that, some of them are like ants. They can invade a whole community without you noticing. One day you’ll see 1 - 2 families living in the hood, after 2-6 months, they’ll be more than 5-10 families in the area.

No hates to them. I have muslim friends and I am happy that all of them are beautiful people. Some of them are better than anyone else.  

I am not sure is there approval needed from the first wife or not,but there are some stories where first wife asked husbands to marry another woman because she ca't be able to give birth or she fell into some disease which is not curable.

But if a guy got two wife then he should treat both girl in the same way,if he failed to do then he is doing sin.

Islam allowed multiple marriages but there is no need we have to marry multiple women if we satisfied with one.

I don't hate Muslims at all but I find some of their beliefs so weird. What I can't believe is that they're not allowed to eat pork or any food with pork's blood. I heard that their reason why they are not allowed to eat such kind of food because their Quran says that pigs are filthy animals. Am I right with that?

Another belief they believe in which I can't perceive is that they are ready to die for their Allah. They are so brave for doing it in all fairness but I still think it was idiocy, no offense but it makes no sense to commit suicide just for their god.

I guess this part is only done by Jihad or Extremists and not the whole Islam itself. Still, that is pretty annoying that makes you think why are they wasting their lives.  We only live once, why lose it for some shitty reason.

I don't hate Islam but some of it's teaching are too extreme for me. what I hate is that some Muslims justifies their killings,rape and oppression by saying it is the will of Allah.
other than that most Muslim that I have met are nice and doesn't mock on what you believe.

There are some reasons why we don't have to eat pork which can be related to why in Islam it is not allowed to eat like other harmful things like alcohol,weeds.

Islam didn't teach anyone to commit suicide and even Suicide is Haram as per sharia.

LOL, none. But I would ask all religious people to keep your religion as your private matter.  If I am a skateboarder, I dont go and write a grafiti on school wall skate or die. I take my skateboard and go skate.

If you visit politics section regularly then you may understand why I created this topic.Myself never wanted to show about my religion but here is in need of that so I did.Many other religion people got wrong understanding about Islam even Muslims had that is why they became extremist.

I didn't know about that since I'm not from that continent. Thanks! I thought that this only happens for a few occasions and rituals. Although I'm aware that in history this happens but mostly for specific remoted areas.

It seems that you are into Islam, thank you.

The first wife is the one that suggests to his husband to marry another. So, this really happens but with a valid reason, I guess.  I watched a video of 'Asian Boss' from Indonesia related to the topic and IIRC, most of the women that were interviewed doesn't want their husbands to have another wife although they were aware of the rule.

I don't hate Islam - I have nothing against this religion. But I don't like things which happens in some countries, especially in extreme Islam countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran. One of the main issues is treatment of women. Man and women don't have equal rights there. Few more things that I don't like is polygamy and children marriage. But I don't blame religion for it - it's probably just how people interpret it. Because muslims in Iran, Turkey, Indonesia or Azerbaijan probably aren't same.

There is nothing as hate, the media and the world has given a negative image to the Islam community. This is particularly because of the extremists. Another thing people who have Islam friends circle knew the truth about the same.

As said multiple marriage system is now becoming more and more worse, and came across some incident in Iraq. Here due to the economic situation very small aged girls were married to old men. Another thing is the punishments, those are good at some point as it has reduced the crime rate.

I'm getting more confused because of the jargons both of you used. According to what I have understand, Jihads are the ones who only commit suicides or ready to die for Allah so most probably terrorist groups like ISIS are all Jihads? Then what they are really fighting for? I can't understand why they brutally kill their hostages

People have the image that Arabs are the only Muslims but muslims are Asians,Americans,Africans and more so they have different cultural belief.Arab countries were still ruled by kings where people never treated equal to men that is the reason why they are being like that but it doesn't mean islam taught them to do.

ISIS is terrorist, radical Islam and not real Islam. Islam is actually full of peace, suicide in Islam is forbidden, unless there is a dispute / there is a problem that challenges Islam, we must defend our religion.

even in large Islamic countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Arabia and others. assume that Isis is a terrorist and must be punished according to the regulations in that country.

as explained on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

Have the same hate in particular with that matter in Islam where you can marry multiple and having lots of wives.I do respect on any religion that we do have globally but this is the

main thing which i do heavily oppose on because its very unethical to treat up women this way.In other aspects i dont have hate for muslim people.

Also, majority of terrorist groups do had this religion and i wont really comment to this issue.

the fact that you are not allowed to question certain teachings is where I have problems

I said the reason of why multiple marriage is allowed in Islam,it may look harsh now but no one can marry the cars if they wish oly they have to marry if there is a need and permission from the previous wife or its haram.

Terrorism and Islam,media projected in that way. :D

That's nice. Some people just try to spread hate and more ignorance and they are not able to see themselves as extremists. I'm not sure if there is something worse than a christian extremist in this world... these people are at a similar level of those guys from Islamic State. The difference is that they were raised in a better environment, they had every chance to improve themselves, but are rotten inside.

Similar level as Islamic State?

Really?

Likely he was talking about the people's natural behaviour which is quite different from Asian and Arabs and it changes for every region.

*ehem* Shariah law *coughs*

Seriously, topics such as these are evidences that OP is ignorant with his own religion.


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Go continue with your Female Genital Mutilation you goat *uckers.

Not to mention Islam is easily used as a means for terrorism compared to most religion. Even most of their people, their culture or whatnot are ignorant, backward thinking and stupid. If you are a firm believer of Islam, then I suggest you blow yourselves up before I even stab you in the face.

Here it comes,we found an extremist on forum. :P

Scientifically it has also been proven that pork meat is the filthiest  diet to consume, because they have different harmful agents like parasites, bacteria, toxins,  we all know that pig meat is high in fat and cholesterol which cause heart diseases.  The Quran proves it,  scientifically it has also been proven too why will a good Muslim wanna eat it

As for the case of those who do commit suicide,  and covering their fake believe that Allah sent them,  it's a big lie,  it's in the Quran that anyone who committed suicide will be severely punish on the day of judgement with whatever he or she used in committing suicide. Islam is against committing suicide

When they fight the enemies of Allah and die, they go straight to heaven according to Allah, you ignoramus.

How can you be so ignorant of what Islam teaches, and what Jihadists actually stand for?  They want non-Muslims out of Muslim controlled lands.  That is what Muhammad wanted, and he would be proud of the terrorists flying into buildings in non-Muslim lands.  In their eyes, and the eyes of people like Muhammad, they are defending Islam.

You suffer from cognitive dissonance.

As for pork, it was first mentioned in the Jewish Bible, Leviticus 11:7-8, millennia before 'Allah' copied it into the Quran. LOL.

There is nothing wrong with eating any meat, including pork.  The ideas in the Bible and subsequently in the Quran were brought up by people (Allah, Yehowah etc) who knew nothing about toxicology.  And you are perpetuating this nonsense.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/health/sweating-pig

Next he'll be telling us about those magic toothpicks made from roots that beat modern dentistry.

I think you are being a bit unfair to "traditional lore" relating to something like the hazards of eating improperly cooked pork. Sure it's ridiculous in the modern world, but it had it's time and function. For some to hold such ignorant superstitions today does seem strange.

Yes, I don't deny being an extremist against Islam! I fight fire with fire! If I ever see another piece of shi* muslim in my neighborhood I will skin him alive!
I bet you asshole don't even read the quran! Seems like ignorance finds its way to bliss.

I hate that they are sometimes suckers enough to follow a crypto-jew poser as a leader.  No different than the Catholics and most of the Evangelical Christians these days.

SO what you are actually trying to say,dear mother fuc**rrrr.

What I'm trying to say is that you don't acknowledge that Islam is currently the shittiest religion alive today you goat fuc*er! Well all religions are but this one stands out the most.  ::) ::) :o :o

Multiple marriages aren't allowed in Islam without the permission of the previous wife. If the first wife doesn't give any permission to marry another woman then no one has no rights to marry another woman. Islam doesn't allow multiple marriages without the permission of the previous wife.

No problem; one's wife can be 'lightly beaten' until she comes around and agrees to share, right?

Better come up with a reason rather than trying to say shittiest of every shit.Don't forget everyone belong to human shit before religious thing.

Yes i hate islam because that matter they married multiple i think its good for one person that have many wife.
Its not good to see also that some islam are many wife. And i think there is no love on it.

Perhaps you haven't been reading all the reasons everyone have been posting in your shitty thread. I bet you forgot that I explicitly said some reasons (out of many) in my first reply to this topic.

For the first time I have to agree with you that everyone belong to shit even before that religious thingy. However, religion only made humanity shittier than ever more often than not.  :P

EDIT: Contrary to what everyone hates, the thing that I like the most in islam is multiple marriage.  ::)
When I was younger, I even considered having myself converted to Islam just because of legality for polygamy.  ;D

Is the things you are saying?
Anyone can be terrorist,anyone can be stupid just like you for that blaming a religion is stupidity.

It's really a huge effort explaining to some retard. Do you even understand statistics? Between all religion, which has the most prevalent case of terrorism? Which has the scripture that can easily manipulate goon-minded people like you?

Simply googling the keywords such as "terrorism religion" will already give you Islamic Terrorism in the 3rd search result.

And also, you are saying that religion is not stupidity? Well, do you even know that religion is the greatest factor for conflict, violence, and segregation among humanity? You just don't realize it because you have been hiding inside your mom's basement since the day you were born and pampered by your oil-grubbing rich arab parents.

Yeah, on Zionist owned and controlled media and information platforms.

Who needs statistics,come to the reality,stupids like you still keep the old facts in practice.

Meida portrayed islam as terrorist so there is no wonder if we see that kind of results.

I am not arab,I am just muslim,understand? Islam =/= Arab

Islam is everywhere and not every muslim is rich.

I know a woman who would like to join, assuming that she'd be able to get four or eight husbands.

She would, right?

When I said arab I don't really mean you are an arab. You see, this isn't just statistics (even though statistics can sometimes portray reality). I live in the Philippines and mind you the southern part is infested by Muslims and this isn't just about media manipulating people. The Islamic region in our country (Mindanao) is the most violent. At least once a month I will hear some news such as "Terrorist from Sulu bombed the Catholic church in Davao", "Indonesian suicide bomber raised in Southern Cotabato kills 12".

In the Northern region, I never heard any news relating to suicide bombing. Some cases were perpetrated by ISIS but where did ISIS come from? They are the people who are easily manipulated by Qur'an.

why look for hatred about Islam ??
the purpose if only to blaspheme each other's religion is not worth discussing.
Islam is a religion of love and peace.

Tell me this isn't sarcasm.  ??? :'(

When you say you are hearing then it means from media,they can say what they want and ignore what happened in reality.Why media doesn't cover Muslims harrased in America and other developed countries?If there is a muslim commit bomb blast then media talk about a lot but for other religion its just a small news.

what do you mean ?
""I know a woman who would like to join, assuming that she'd be able to get four or eight husbands.""
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a wife must not have more than 1 husband. Islam forbids a wife from having two / more husbands. Logically, if Islam allows it to be like that, maybe a disease or HIV virus will spread everywhere.

if you are a man you can have up to 4 wives (not more). even then you must be wise and fair to your wife.

Wait, so the guys get four, but the woman doesn't?

That's not at all fair.

When Atheist and/or Zionists of various religious stripes commit a bomb blast, the media talk about it falsely as a Muslim thing a lot.

9/11 is a classic example, but there are many many more.  In fact I don't know of a single bomb blast that is know to be an entirely organically grown Muslim thing.  Under sober analysis there are questionable aspects to almost every incident in almost every country in which it happens.  At least the incidents which get a lot of Western air-play.

Yes sir. so like this, in Islam a wife can only have one husband. Why so ? if a wife has 2 or more it is no different from animals. you think, if in this world a woman has 2 or more partners and what will happen? I say humans on this earth will be extinct / destroyed. it is clear bayaha HIV virus, the source of the HIV virus is caused by women, try to find it on google (Danger of the HIV virus and its causes). that's the logic, sir

A husband may have more than 1 wife, that is, if the first wife allows and the second reason if the wife cannot have children. The responsibility of having more than one wife is very heavy, sir, you must behave fairly and wisely towards your wife. if there is one wife feels disappointed with her husband, then her husband sinned.

Even ISIS might be created by someone who hate islam but using the name islam they can spread more hate to the non muslim community people and make every Muslims to be hated by them.
Like I said I don't like the multiple marriages allowed in my religion but if women don't like a man want a divorce they can leave them which is not allowed at most of the other religion at that time.

We will only understand our Muslim brother if we fully understand their way of like and their religion, they are the most popular religion in the world, and they preach peace and bother hood, on about their allowing multiple marriages, all I know id you cannot do that if you do not have the means to support two wives and the first wife did not agree on the selected second wife.

This statement is wrong, go look it up.

It's not sarcasm, but it is an excellent example of Takkiya, in which a Muslim repeatedly lies to create what he thinks is a positive effect for his religion. In the West we typically consider such things propaganda. But the lying is encouraged by the religion. Quite curious. The actual reality is the Islam has a brutal and violent past, present and future. The first two examples are of an extreme view, the third of a "moderate view."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7571743/Afghan-stabbed-two-American-tourists-Amsterdam-jailed-26-years.html

'He never showed any regret or remorse during his trial, repeatedly saying he would do the same again if his religion was insulted,' the judges said. 'The risk of a repeat offence is therefore very high and the court finds it essential that society is protected against him as long as possible.' During his trial at a heavily-fortified courtroom, Jawed S. said he travelled to the Netherlands from Germany to 'protect the Prophet Mohammed.'

http://www.startribune.com/bangladesh-court-indicts-islamist-militants-for-2015-killing/562979392/

In October 2015, suspected militants hacked Faisal Abedin Deepan of the Jagriti Prokashoni publishing house. On the same day, another publisher, Ahmed Rashid Tutul, survived an attack by suspected militants in Dhaka, Bangladesh's capital. Both victims were publishers of Bangladeshi-American writer and blogger Avijit Roy, who was hacked to death in February 2015.

https://www.memri.org/tv/uk-cleric-usamah-thahabi-liverpool-thief-cut-off-hand-cauterize-oil-sharia-ilhan-omar-gay-pride-flexible/transcript

U.K. Cleric Abu Usamah At-Thahabi: I Support Chopping Off Hands of Thieves, , But Only in the Muslim World, Not Here. Sheikh At-Thahabi went on to say that there is no room for "flexibility" in Islam with regard to homosexuals, lesbians, and transgender people, and he added that Muslims cannot break the law and harm these people.

I don't understand something,when someone with muslim name commited criminal offence their religion will get highlighted but with other religion people this thing is not happening,why like this? It is unfair though?

It's exactly fair, because in the cases cited and thousands more, the Muslims claim at the time of doing their atrocities, and later in Court, that they were doing it in defense of / for their God.

Certainly in the west things are quite imperfect, but in the case of an atrocity happening here it is almost non-existent that someone will claim they did it for their God. (Unless, of course, the perp is a Muslim...)

Anyone can say what they wanted but it doesn't mean the religion wanted to do things.So if someone is doing harmful things for any human they are doing haram which means it is not accepted by God.

"Religion wanted?" The religion is not an AI that speaks in each case.

The best your religion can do is have "experts" issue Fatwas. And you know some of those are batshit crazy. We can go into that subject if you want.

All you really have is imperfect humans reading an old book and interpreting it. You're here only to spread propaganda, practice Takiyya and attempt to handle various anti-Islam arguments (some of which are very unjust).

But meanwhile, your faith has many deep and serious problems. Ignore them if you wish. Makes no difference with me...

Basically I am not an expert in what Islam says,I just expressing what I know and learnt from my fellow Muslims.

I don't think Islam doesn't made any leaders,they were just messengers Isn't it? Some people still out there as saying they are leaders but I never heard what they were saying because I need to live my life for good.

I can tell you one thing, if you want respect in and with Westerners, drop all the Takiyya.

Takiyya? What's that.Google says its pillow. ???

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

Westerners, although they certainly do lie, view it about at the same level as someone pointing the soles of his shoes at you ( I think I have that right).

Islam wasn't toxic in general only few of them. On the other hand, toxic christians also exist. All in all being toxic is not dependent on religion. I dont know what was their reason to marry multiple wives  but most important is that they are not hurting any people. We have a lot of good muslim friends and it doesn't matter if we are different as long as we respect each beliefs.

http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm (http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm)

  "The name of God is not profaned when it is not known by the Goi that the Jew has lied."

It sure is interesting how similar in some way Islam and Talmudic Judism are.  Makes a guy wonder...

Maybe the Koran has as many directly evil and supremacist things in it as does the Talmud, but I've not looked at it as much since obviously Islam is not much of a threat to me here in the U.S..

If there is a condensation of such disgusting teachings from the Christian Bible in the same vein as the above two referenced works, I'd love to see reference to it and would read it with interest.

I have a lot of muslim friends. Sincerely, they are very cool and caring. I dunno if those who kill others by suicide bombing and among others in the name of Allah have their support from Islam. If so, then i believe thats very extreme.

Really! Among various atrocities committed for many years, recently they bombed Afghanistan and Iraq and drove these countries into chaos. Total psychos! And the most incredible thing is... they believe to be heroes! Well, well... the Islamic State thinks the same, but they don't have the media to tell this story  ;)

https://cdn-istoedinheiro-ssl.akamaized.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/2018/08/din1083-cobica2-768x432.jpg

That's what I was going to say. I don't hate Islam nor the Muslims. I just find their willingness to kill others in the name of Allah very violent. When I hear news of terrorism which the Muslim terrorists caused, I get really sad and confused at the same time because I do not know nor understand the reason behind their doings.

GET OUT GRANDMA.

LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE, This isn't just about media spreading propaganda! I visited one of the places that got bombed and it is real. And the suspect that did it is caught in surveillance camera and I am certain that its facebook profile is of a Muslim!

All the suicide bombing that happened in our country, I haven't witnessed anyone that is of a non-Islamic perpetrator. It is evident that the answer to that is because their Unholy book convinces them to do so by manipulating them that they will receive a hefty reward doing so.

As a muslim, you should be well aware of the concept of 'Houri' in islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri

That's the one driving those imbeciles to blow themselves up. Allahu Snackbar MotherF*cker!

And to add, do you even know what happens to muslims who leave islam? Today, apostasy is still a crime in whopping 16 out of 49 Muslim majority countries! Religion of peace indeed! More like religion of bovine excrement!

From your link on Houris ... Personally I find these descriptions weird and offensive...

Muhammad al-Bukhari (810–870):
...everyone will have two wivesF from the houris, (who will be so beautiful, pure and transparent that) the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh.

— Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 54 "The Beginning of Creation", hadith 476)[33]
[People who enter Paradise] will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be of gold, and their sweat will smell like musk. The aloes-wood will be used in their censers. Their wives will be houris. All of them will look alike and will resemble their father Adam (in stature), sixty cubits tall.

— Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 55 "Prophets", hadith 544[34][35]
[note 2]
Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj Nishapuri (821–875):
Muhammad reported that some (persons) stated with a sense of pride and some discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women ... and every person would have two wivesG and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise.

— Al-Tirmidhi, Jami` at-Tirmidhi (Surah Waaqi’ah, 35–37).[38]

A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings.

Here's one which strikes me as 'weird and offensive':


Opps.  Were we only bashing Muslims on this thread?  My bad.

No wonder people are pondering whether some of these 'people of the Sacred Serpent' are genuinely Satanic.

If you expand your knowledge beyond the Abrahamic religions, you will find that the sacred serpent is present worldwide in the most varied cultures. It is a pity that this debate is so limited by ignorance and prejudice.

Indeed it is a pity.  The concept of the 'light bearer', 'bringer of knowledge', etc, probably does have analogs in most other religions.  The basic concepts are ubiquitous to be sure, and various flows of culture (e.g., Hollywood) peddle them in some form constantly.  How honor was paid to such an entity as 'the Serpent' in the various socio-religious instances would be good for most inquisitive people to contemplate.

What we seem to have here is a situation where people realize that 'knowledge is power' and are not keen to share it so the 'secrets of the serpent' tend to go un-derground readily.  There might be other reasons for the secrecy as well.

Nowadays the information is abundant, but each one connects to what resonates with themselves. The occult literature, forbidden in the past, has been available for a century. Blavatsky, Regardie, Crowley... you can find Kabbalistic groups on youtube or facebook. But most people choose the worst and most distorted things on the web, crazy conspiracy blogs... ;D According to Judaism, there are soul levels, Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama... most people are in the first level - Nefesh, the animal level, the lower materialistic one, so they will look for things at this level of understanding. There are Religious and Atheists at this level. They spend a lot of time discussing and looking for "proofs" of scriptures, both ignoring their metaphoric, symbolic meanings. This knowledge is free, for those who are open to receive.

Though it was totally not okay and a sin to kill your fellow human from our point of view, for them that's fine as long as it is for Allah's name. It's okay for them because it is one of their ways to defend their religion against any oppositions.

I agree with you dude because I still believe that LOVE is the greatest power in the world. However, it was so ideal to every person in this planet loves each other because if that's true then there should be no wars at all. I get your point but what if those kind of Muslims do not think the way you think and can't reciprocate the love and compassion you show for them? What would you do?

How can you deicde facebook profile information is real? You didn't knew that anyone can any amount of profile in facebook?

Lets see in this way,someone want to commit crime so they create fake fb profile and add fake muslim name.

AFAIK,I never taught to klll anyone whether they are muslims or not,if we find sins we have to try to stop them if not at least hate them,thats it.

You keep spouting excuses after excuses! Stop being defensive! You don't live in our country so stop acting like you know what is happening here!


This is why my job here is to at least inform people of the atrocious inclination of your ridiculous religion and try to stop and continue to hate them.

It's well understood that certain sects of Islam preach violence, both toward westerners and muslims who do not believe in that sect's particular teachings. One might think of this as building on the basic violence in Islam, and carrying it about three steps further.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb#Al-Qaeda_and_Islamic_Jihad

Three basic themes emerge from Qutb's writings. First, he claimed that the world was beset with barbarism, licentiousness, and unbelief (a condition he called jahiliyya, the religious term for the period of ignorance prior to the revelations given to the Prophet Mohammed). Qutb argued that humans can choose only between Islam and jahiliyya. Second, he warned that more people, including Muslims, were attracted to jahiliyya and its material comforts than to his view of Islam; jahiliyya could therefore triumph over Islam. Third, no middle ground exists in what Qutb conceived as a struggle between God and Satan. All Muslim – as he defined them – therefore must take up arms in this fight. Any Muslim who rejects his ideas is just one more nonbeliever worthy of destruction.[118]

Even if it make me a 'animal' in the eyes of Talmudic Jews I'll happily stay right here at Nefesh level where it ain't cool to pop little kid's kundalini (aka, buttfuck them.)  Must take a fair amount of 'enlightenment' to make that the thing to do.  No thanks.

Speaking of Kabbalists, I do have to wonder when they say that Netanyahu used to "sleep in Jared's bed" when he stayed over at the Kushner residence whether that is code for something.  I mean it's kind of hard to believe that the Kushner clan couldn't afford a house with a guest room.

So its about your country not about the religion? Because for every muslim there is only one Quran. I am not defensive,I just want you to be open mind and see what is happening everywhere other than what you were told by media.

It's all about the zealotry brotha. Many muslims practice willful ignorance to the horrific atrocities their brethren commit in the name of Islam. The same can be said for other religious institutions as well but moreso with Islam in the current politisphere.

Things to do to reduce hate:

- give women equal rights
- stop stoning or beating those women
- children should be treated well too
- stop abusing goats and other animals. This is savagery, not culture
- and the for the love of whatever god you believe in CEASE YOUR VIOLENT CONFLICTS BASED ON RELIGIOUS FERVOR

Why you feel women's don't have equal rights in Islam? I guess they have and when it comes to multiple marriage it is only allowed if the first or previous allows with full heart.

Men have the same punishment but its only practiced in Arab countries not everywhere.

Muslims kill children?

Every religion people eats meat! ::)

I love God and I didn't practice any violence.

You like an idea of 'God'.  You don't know even know what 'God' is.

Possibly no one actually know who(what) is God! ;D

Please stop that particular assertion.

You have NO CLUE what random people on an international forum are told or from what source.

Some of us do not watch any television, for example.

Many are highly distrustful of what the media projects.

I will tell you though, that in most Middle Eastern countries, incoming news is highly filtered, and things you say or write are very much monitored...

I agree because even His picture which came from different religions still varies. There is a girl representation, an animal, a bearded man, a fat man and many more. But whatever or whoever he is, I strongly believe that there is a MIGHTY ONE, though He can't be perceived by our own senses.

Of the little knowledge of Islam I had, it was one of the progressive religion of it's time to start with.
Religion were made as a rule of conduct so that people would do the right things and be afraid to do wrongs. But subsequently it was used by rulers to enforce their power over the citizens. For that, they even misinterpreted the words and traditions to suit them. People revolted and we came up with laws to guide everything and also the religion.
But that didn't happened with Islam, rulers even enforce their rule with the rudimentary religious laws. Christianity was no better in the 17th century.

There are plenty of exceptions in Islam following people and countries. It's also the environment that influence people but still, Islam now is the largest group of brainwashed people in the world, They are obsessed with their god. In 21st century, almost all of people would agree that they'll go with what they feel right than what their religious leaders would say. Not with Islam, who still believes it's good for males to show their face while the females should cover their body.
 

I don't watch television either but what about internet media,the same thing happening.

Only middle east people are Muslim for most of the people here,but they were everywhere and each of them have different culture!

I'm going to have to agree with Spendulus here. If anything, this forum should be more diverse than many other outlets. Many people here are well informed and show a distrust for government (I mean why else would we all be in to blockchain)?

I have heavy doubt that the majority of users here listen to MSM nonsense. On that note, if anything, the MSM would be the ones defending Islam and promoting it as a peaceful religion.

People here seek out information where they see fit. I personally read ZeroHedge often. If you're getting your world news from CNN or similar outlets you almost deserve your own fate.

So the conclusions being drawn about Islam would come primarily from users forming their own opinion, from hundreds or thousands of sources. Not what we are being "told" to believe.

Okay,just leave everything,did you ever been close with someone who is Muslim? Most of the didn't or don't want.I had seen that western people even refuse to sit near Muslims then who is the sinner here?

Are you afraid that they will be a human bomb?

Hell,everyone is human,don't see every Muslim as terrorist.

yes that's what happened buddy. while Muslims themselves accept and consider themselves guests when meeting non-Muslims.

maybe he hates because Islam is synonymous with terrorism. even though in reality it is not true. ISIS problem?
try to learn more, the beginning of ISIS and why it happened. and everyone is provoked by the media so that heats up and hates it.

try to see the news that happened in new zealand, about the shooting of Muslims who are doing Friday prayers. honestly I saw the video directly, before the media deleted it.
and who is the culprit?
Is it Muslim?
and who is a savage?
where is peace?

so now there is nothing to debate, I just want to say "all the goals of religion are the same, namely to create peace and peace in the world".

yeah friend, some of that is what I think.

Yes.

That's a very realistic look at the situation, but I beg to differ in one respect. I think a careful look and comparison will easily show that in the 17th century, Christianity was far, far better than Islam today.

In other words, say at the middle of the Spanish Inquisition, I would argue that the actual practice of Christianity was superior to that of Islam today.

Then how you are still alive,every Muslim supposed to kill non muslims right?

:)

From the western point of view, a Muslim who walks into a cafe and blows himself up along with 100 innocent people of all types is a real coward. Those kinds of Muslims would not mess with me (or anyone who is very likely to shoot back, etc)

Again from the Western point of view, were I to be engaged in fighting world terrorism (I'm not) I would literally be surrounded on all sides by the "good Muslims" who were also fighting world terrorism.

Now, let's look at your assertion. every Muslim supposed to kill non muslims right?

That is not what your books say regarding action toward non muslims. It has various statements about protecting "people of the book" eg Jews and Christians, but also taxing them. Muslims are not to be so tolerant of non-believers, the Kaffers, are they? What is your opinion of that?

Today in the real world Muslims have pretty much driven Christians out of numerous places and countries in the Middle East.

I guess they have dare to do anything because they are going to blowup in the next moment. :)

Am I hearing good Muslims? Wah yeah that is what I am telling Muslims also same like others who fight against terrosirsm so not every muslim is terrorist.

AFAIK,Quran said if you are a muslim try to make others follow the right path by words or action,if you can't convince them then just leave them never told us to kill for doing bad things for that the punishment will be given from God.

Muslims not discriminated anywhere? This is just politics nothing related to religion.

So why do you think that almost all Muslims agree that it is a good idea to kill anyone who insults Islam or its prophet?

What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago?

https://iamiranaware.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/mohammed-tp1.jpg

I see nothing bad about a religion such as Islam except for certain religious practices within a religion. Looking at Islamic religion, I observe most Muslims to show so much love for one another, a lot oneness is expressed by these people but,
Where the problem always sets in is the jihad aspects. Where most people of different religion are regarded as infidels and a stain to the earth.

Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone.

But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam?

It has to do with getting two of your adversaries fighting with one another while you sit back, enjoy, and profit.  Islam and Christianity being the two in this case.

This cartoon seems a really good case study in a couple of propaganda techniques.  The chief one is 'accuse your adversaries of that which you are guilty of.'  We see it all over the place these days.

I actually bothered to look up 'Muslim (8.3311)'.  You'll be unsurprised to learn that the 'to have sex with her' in parens part seems to be fabricated.  Probably the propagandists didn't think anyone would look.

Turns out that Talmudic Judiism speaks in some depth about sex with children.  The modern day apologists for Judaism are quick to point out that there were arranged marriages so because a 'girl of 3' was stated it didn't mean that the Rabbi was boning her (or him.)  While the explanation could apply to the correctly translated Islamic texts, there is trouble in Talmud-land:  The Talmudic debate seemed to specify three as the age when a girl's body was 'ready' which wouldn't make much sense unless sex was involved.

Dovetailing with the Rabbinical texts we have a seemingly never ending stream of certain behaviors among people of a certain background (Allen, Polanski, Weiner, Weinstein, Dershewitz, Barak, Epstein, etc, etc, etc.)

I would take exception to the idea that a 3 year old girl's body is 'ready' for sex, but then I'm just a animilistic goyim who's soul stems from the satanic spheres.  The Rabbis have souls which come from by the divine so who am I to argue that it's pretty fucking awful to be dicking 3-year-olds when the Talmidic Rabbis say it's all good?

This thread is about Islam.

Answer the question I posed.

BTW, go to your mosque and tell it to your Muslim friends that they need to stop threatening to kill people when prophet Muhammad or Allah is insulted.  YOU need to talk to Muslims about this, not the non-Muslims.

Non-Muslims see what Muslims are doing, you don't need to convince us, you need to convince Muslims to do what you preach here on this site.

Huh?  Does it matter who brainwashed them?  If they want to be treated seriously, they need to preach to each other that peace they are so fond of to preach to non-Muslims; reverse this current status quo.

Non-Muslims don't need to hear how peaceful Islam is, Muslims need to hear it.  

Non-Muslims already know that Islam is a bunch of hogwash water, not worth the paper it is written on.

By acting this way, they all look like 7th-century simpletons.  

You want to convince me that Islam is a religion of peace, stop acting like little brats when I tell you what I think about Islam.
And for fuck's sake, stop killing people in the name of your religion.  Just STOP.

That is what Muslims should be doing, not going around denying they have a problem, aka practicing Taqiyya.  We are all grown-ups here.

PS. Truth does not need to be defended. Truth cannot be insulted.

Misquoting someone's religious text then using that to dog on them is not really very 'grown-up'.  In fact it is rather juvenile and desperate.

I don't know jack shit about Islam because I've not studied it.  I'm absolutely not about to get my information from people who have strategic reasons to make me hate them.  As a matter of fact, you asserting that Muslims have violence problems kinda makes me believe that they do not.  Or at least question that it's much of a big deal.  I'm pretty sure I would be about as violent as possible if I were being treated like a Palestinian, Syrian, etc, etc.  I mean if someone attacks me, kills my family, and steals my land I'll certainly be fighting back in any way possible.  It would have nothing to do with religion because I'm an Atheist.

Huh?  Did the non-Muslims who died in the Charlie Hebdo attack have anything to do with Palestine?

Why do you guys constantly divert the conversation to other issues? What about the Jews, what about US military involvement in the Middle East, what about Christianity, they were violent, what about Jesus insults, what about the rash on my ass?  Who the fuck cares?

Deal with the issue.  The majority of Muslims are violent, homophobic, misogynist, religious supremacists who cannot take a hint of criticism.

Muslims have to do something about it.  The issue has NOTHING to do with Palestine, Jews, Middle-East oil, etc.

This thread is about why you hate Islam,it maybe for anyone who hates it.

Whenever I visit mosque I find people with peace and equality even I visited other muslime countries where king and people are same while praying there is no supermacy as you think in general.

But if you found anyone influencing people to kill people then why you blame every muslim? Why people don't even wanted to speak with hijab in country like America?

Isn't obvious? By association.  You believe in the same religion as the crazy wackos, you know, the homophobes, misogynists, Islamists, Jihadists and the terrorists.

No supremacy?  May I remind you: لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله  "There is no God but Allah".  So now you think Islamism is not a thing?

You are full of it.

I don't want to be friends with Muslims for the same reason I don't want to associate with Christians, Jews or mentally retarded. 

misogynists - marrying an young girl doesn't mean misogynists but slaving is also against Islam.

Jihad means extreme love towards something,correct me if I am wrong but if they are killing people for that reason then they are not Muslims.

Terrorists are terrorists no matter which religion they belong to.

homophobes - I see this is something against the nature cycle.AFAIK human is the only animal attracted to same gender.

There is only God and its Allah,other religious people call him with different names.

how can they be not Muslim when they believe in the principle of it? the only difference is how they interpret the meaning, but that doesn't mean they are not Muslim.
true, but in today's society majority of terrorist are Muslims. it makes you wonder why. ( we also have one here in Asia and they are connected to ISIS)
Wrong, there are other animals who attracted to the same gender, not just humans. you can look it up in google.
I agree! I don't understand the reason why most religious people insist that GOD, Allah etc.. should be called the way they call it, the meaning is all the same.

Yes the radical elements are indeed muslims but it is their own version of Islam. Nothing to do with the message followed by the others. Problem here is Islam lacks a supreme clerk. Like Pope in Vatican. If your teacher says something of Christianity, and the pope says something, the world will believe the pope. He's the representative of Christianity. It's not the same in Islam. Since it's so rigid in terms of authority, it leaves open doors to all types of interpretation (and misinterpretions) for people to exploit.

Majority are terrorists. But also majority are from countries with rich oil supply. Majority are from places where getting invaded is normal. All of politics, geo politics and dirty games are in play. You can't really generalise.

It doesn't matter if animals are attracted to same gender or not. What happens between two consensual adults (doesn't matter their gender), is not a business of the state. No Islam or Christianity or any homohating religion has a right to deny them that right to freedom. However, everyone has a right to thought, and unless the thought is out there to harm someone, thoughts cant be prosecuted.

Basically human beings needed God when they were scared. To justify their existence and to answer questions from nature and to justify their purpose of living. Call it by any name, if there is a God, he would love all names.

I did not say anything about Muslims being pedophiles, you brought it up; Freudian slip?  
I know what I said, all Muslims are misogynist pigs. They have discriminated women since the beginning of this cult.

Looks like you did not read the Quran.  But what is new.  You were born into it, you don't need to read it.

BTW, Jihad means struggle.  In the context of Islam, it means the struggle to achieve religious world dominance. 
If you were Arab you would know that.

10% of sheep are gay, 22% are bisexual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Abu bakr Al-baghdadi is dead! The funny thing is, a successor will find its way back again and the cycle continues. The only way to break the cycle is for Islamism to disappear on the face of this world! If not, then muslims will continue to give birth to future potential terrorists and such!

Such patterns of behavior in animals say nothing about the behavior in humans. Good article though, it does go into those distinctions.

Any religion and its not teachings are not bad but the people who manipulate it for their selfish motives make a religion and its followers act extreme at times. I don't hate any religion but few things I don't like about Islam are polygamy, discrimination against women, and diversity in teaching. Kuran, being one of the oldest manuscript has been manipulated by leaders for years for their personal motives. Islam in Africa is completely different from that in Turkey and you can find similar diversity in other nations that follow Islam.

Islam is one of the oldest and most followed religion worldwide. You face islam religion in most of the lanes of any nation but one thing you will notice is difference in rituals and teachings. Kuran for years has been at times manipulated by modern preachers for their personal motives and extremist intentions. Few more things that i dont like about the religion is act of polygamy and other practices which discriminate womanhood. Anyways, things are improving now eg. Saudi women allowed to drive, triple talaq ban in India etc. 

The extremist view of Islam and discrimination against womanhood really turns me off when it comes to teaching of Islam. Being the most followed religion in the world, the manipulation of the its manuscript leads to little extremist which we also call Jihadis. I would like to clear here that Islam does not produce extremist but mental preachers do. I have lot of Islamic friends and trust me they are the most sweetest to have around, also the food during Ramzan is just yum. If you have not tried yet, go make a islamic friend and thank me later.

I don't have any problem with Islam, but I personally don't think that anyone should follow a religion - I won't go into that now though as it is a digression.

Many people in the West hate Islam because they are told to hate it by mainstream media and - probably worse because there is no requirement to adhere to any laws or standards, social media.

The rich elites at the top of society have always kept everyone else in check by making them fight amongst themselves. There is always some concocted 'Other' that we are encouraged to despise. In the UK there is a lot of xenophobia against the immigrants who are supposedly 'coming over here and taking our jobs'. The antipathy towards foreigners extends to Islam because people look at ISIS or Al Qaida and see that Islam is the thread that binds them together. Unfortunately a lot of people are simple-minded bigots who don't realise that this isn't representative of Islam as a whole. Give it a few years and the pendulum will swing away from Islam back to the other common targets.

If you think terrorists groups such as ISIS or Al-Qaeda are the only reason why people hate Islam, then I would say you are a naive person.

What people actually despise from islam is the way their Qur'an teaches their people. Only those who actually read Qur'an will know that this thing can be used for manipulation and horrific interpretations. I judge you as someone who actually knows only 0.5% of what Islam actually is.

islam is

for russians islam is an issue as, it is a form of arab imperialism

and it also orders a certain economic way of life, although its not beneficial for economies that are outside of deserts.

I wouldn't say that media conflation of ISIS and Al Qaida Al-Qaeda with Islam is the only reason for the hatred, just the main reason. Most people who hate Islam know even less about it than I do.

Yes, I'm aware that Islam is regarded as more aggressive than say Christianity (I'm reading a book about it now, Outgrowing God, by Richard Dawkins, which says quite a bit about Mohammed's Medina period and how the circumstances at the time led to a more combative religion).

0.5% is probably generous, I know very little of Islam. My position is based more on media representation of Islam, where I would say I know a bit more (although again I'm hardly an expert).
 

You're right, what your saying here is true. about some fake preachers who turned out to be some extremists who used the name of ISLAM to spread terror in the world. Backed up by the western media, the whole religion of ISLAM became a victim of hatred. But as you can see, Muslims are not like than. You can see it from them if you genuinely know some Muslim friends. Those people are innocent of what the media's claimed. the best way of life you can find is in ISLAM.
If you don't believe me, read this: Great Non-Muslim Quotes on Islam You Need to Read (https://mvslim.com/10-great-non-muslim-quotes-on-islam/)

One more thing, it's not "Ramzan" it's called "Ramadhan".

One thing I see continually that I dislike about Islam is the continual repetition of what, to put it bluntly, is just lies. Then you can count on other Muslims never, ever questioning such statements.

By no measure is "Islam one of the oldest religions."

I do agree with you that there may be emerging a younger Muslim type that understands at least some of the western values concepts.

Yes its true that I didn't even read Quran completely,but it is important to be an Muslim? I am not sure about it.

What I read Jihad means extreme love.Yes I am not an Arab.

Interesting fact about gay animals,something new for me.So humans were allowed to being homosexual in your view? But since the beginning of living organism in this world,we see most important factor of their life is reproduction. :D

We were not 'allowed' to be homosexual.  Some of us just are.  Scientists are still working on it to figure out why that is.

Reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.
This, of course, does not mean much because in the current day and age, with all the technological advancements, we are already interfering with the natural selection. Gay men can be biological fathers and gay women can be biological mothers.  Weaklings that 50,000 years ago would die before the would see their 10th birthday, are running multinational corporations, go through multiple marriages and happily reproduce. So the natural selection is not so natural anymore.

Use google if you are not sure about the meaning of words in English.  Jihad means a struggle.  It can be a physical or spiritual struggle.  In Arabic, it means holy war. Some Muslims recognize it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Whoever told you it is love did not know much about Islam.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jihad

"the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin",This is an another meaning from the google itself,so it means they have to be against the sin not only related to islam.

Google itself man made and can be manipulated as how zuch wants. ;D

There is no sixth pillar,only five pillars were told by messenger,if people thinks it as then they are mislead for human benefits.

Maybe wealthy eugenicists are 'nature's way' of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.  That's actually a justification they use for their activities.

As Bertrand Russell said, 'Diet, Injection, and Injunction will be combined at a very early age to produce the type of individuals that the leaders find desirable.'  As one military whitepaper said, 'promotion of homosexuality can be used to limit population growth.'

Now run along and drink your high fructose corn syrup drink out of the estrogen mimicking plastic bottle, eat your soy based foods, drink your fluoridated water.  Go to public school and learn about Heather's two mommies.  Watch a never ending stream of fagotry on free-to-air mainstream media.  And most importantly, don't forget to get ALL of your government mandated 'vaccinations'.

Just scroll down to Shia Islam, middle of the page, they have 12, Jihad is #6. They call them 'practices'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Do you think you can be turned into a homosexual?  Do you think a homosexual can be turned into a straight man?
If you think there is a way, post it.  I really would like to know.

I think you would be wasting money on such 'promotions'.  It is like pissing in the wind.

It would be nice if it worked, as we need to get the global population growth to near zero. 

Sure.  Babies start out as a single cell and develop from there.  At birth they are highly undeveloped and that development proceeds in various ways well past puberty in into early adulthood.  It is well known that there are many techniques which can manipulate this development process.

A basic understanding of endocrinology (hormones) was obtained around the turn of the century, and the 'leading scientists' of the day were ga-ga about the possibilities.  That's reflected in a lot of the science 'fiction' of the day.  The Huxleys were sort of cross-over between 'fiction' and hard science.  Russell was more on the straight-up science end of the spectrum.

Long before that political/religious leaders figured out if the started fucking kids, the kids would be all fucked up psychologically (and often homosexual, sadistic, etc) and would make good political/religious leaders who would repeat the cycle.

In short, human sexuality is highly malleable in the development phases.  That's not to say that there isn't a fair bit of natural variation as well.  Some guys, for instance, will turn out as queer as a three-dollar-bill no matter what their upbrining.  Others could be molested weekly in church and turn out to be perfectly straight.  Most people are in the mushy middle and infant/childhood experiances have a pretty big influence on how they turn out.


You have scientists actively working on techniques.

You have science fiction writers writing books about it.

You have an abundance of prima fascie evidence that social and biological methods are in use.

You have obvious evidence that the techniques are effective in the numbers which you can see at the street level without even needing to do a data dive into the research.

You have people like yourself who are totally cool with the idea of making people gay to solve the 'overpopulation problem'.

In spite of all that it's a 'tinfoil hat conspiracy theory' that anything like that is actually happening.  I would say that 'sexuality' is hardly the only thing being actively manipulated.  Basic logic and analytical ability has also suffered greatly.

Still, hard to believe that this is actually possible.
But I am open to any evidence.

As a straight guy I can say for certain that the visual sensory perception of female secondary sex characteristics (boob, butt, bush, etc) trigger an instantaneous response of sexual attraction.  I am quite certain that this is fundamentally built in to my brain and was not very much a learned response.  I also have a instinctual response to male characteristics.  It tends to be one of aggression or preparation for such.

My point is that these types of reactions almost certainly stem from physical brain structure.  Such a structure is more likely to develop in a certain way in a normal healthy male (or female) but the structure itself can be manipulated in various ways.  After full adulthood it's probably tricky, but during development that structure probably is quite malleable.

As for evidence, the 'gay frogs' research was quite valid and quite compelling.  That's why they had to present it through some ass-clown like Alex Jones so it could be painted as 'conspiracy theory' and thus most of the peeps would look no further.  Corbett did a piece on this:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-qdxhC6jc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-qdxhC6jc)

Sexuality is something people are born with. It can't be converted or something. It's not religion. It's not your mobile phone that you can change whenever you feel like.

And even, if in future, it's possible to artificially interfere with genes and those, it would be absolute immoral to change someone's fundamental identity.

Really? Turning people into gays using scientific methods to reduce population? Are you a troll and trolling here? You know there are contraceptives which can be used for population control?

Historically much of the opposition to homosexual activity was kings / leaders seeking to increase the number of male babies who would become soldiers in their country or religion. Period. Hence create negatives for homosexual behavior.

Currently  these trends still exist and exist alongside more progressive trends. Thus we see predominantly Catholic low educated hispanic immigrants in the USA with statistically large families. Same with Muslims as they are very fundamentalist.

I think this conversation got way off-topic. 
From the nonsense in the Quran and its homophobia to ways to control the population growth.

I wanted to talk about why people hate (and should hate) Islam, but I was trolled by some of you to homophobia in the animal kingdom, to ways to promote homosexual behaviors, and now you with contraceptives as a solution to the world's population growth. LOL.

Are you sure you are not trolling this thread?

Well it's like this. THEY know the subject of Quran homophobia can't be directly confronted, since THEY will be condemned as the homophobic bigots they are.

So the debate tactics resulting are misdirection, goal shifting, re framing the argument and so forth.

Okay I accept that what is the real intention behind gay and lesbianism is not allowed in Islam but when I tried google it being gay and lesbian might increases the chances of getting AIDS? Is this true?

I would suggest that if you seek to find the truth on a matter such as that, do not look at "Islamic sources." Instead, look at authoritative medical sources, such as WebMD. Generally speaking, AIDS has been transmitted through unprotected sex.

But this is not the only way right? Still people researching on being a gay causes AIDS!

Drug addicts re using needles is another major transmission mode.

Like I said, if you rely on Islamic teachings for information on Aids (or any number of subjects, really) you will be misinformed, period. This is simply because of the huge number of Muslim clerics who although well intentioned, are simply ignorant of medical and scientific facts.

If transmission was the most cause of people getting affected to AIDS but how it was emerged,it was not there when humanity emerged right.

I am not believing on what others said but I thin this could also be a reason why its prohibited.

Nope. The reason why Islam is harsh on homosexuality is because Islam wanted to create a cult which had the largest number possible of male babies, because that would give them the largest armies. Eliminating types of sex that do not produce babies is one obvious way to get to that point, but other means are detailed in your "Holy Books."

Rape, taking of slave women, multiple wives by the rich old men. With all the local women taken by the old rich men force the young men to go to other countries and take women.

It is what it is.

+1

It is self-evident that the Quran was written by military men.  Spreading Islam beyond its borders, rules about capturing slaves, strict Sharia Law, no drinking, no music, severe punishment for disobedience, the death penalty for apostasy (treason), etc.  

That also explains misogyny as male babies where automatically higher on the pecking order based on their utility value.

You needed men to get/capture/enslave women, to make more men, to get more women.  All to make Allah happy, of course.

It's been argued that much of this is similarly in Judeo-Christian religions, but it's counter argued that Judeo-Christian religions and their cultures have gone past those ideas a long time ago, and Islam is still mired in medieval concepts. I think this is fairly accurate.

In turn a likely reason for that is the fact that Islam is both a political and a religious cult. Each enforces the other. No contra-ideas are tolerated. There is no free speech allowed. So new ideas really don't get discussed, and things remain old, stale, and semi-ridiculous.

The term 'Judeo-Christian' is a ridiculous invention promulgated to, among other things. get stupid Christians to fight Israeli wars or conquest for them.

Jesus was arch enemies with the Pharisees who were the so-called 'oral tradition' crowd.  He called them the seed of Satan and they got him killed.  They did the killing indirectly which is a technique they take great pride in to this day.  Jacob (who changed is name to Israel) used deceit and treachery to trick his father and steal his brother's birthright.  Kabbalahists seem to love the guy for it.  This goes to show how far away 'Christian ethics' are from Talmudic Judaism and what a crock the term 'Judeo-Christain values' is.

After Jesus's time these 'oral traditions' were written down as the Talmud.  At the present time the Talmud is nearly synonymous with 'Judaism' since the Karaite Jews who's faith is based on the old testament and rejection of 'Oral Torah' are nearly extinct (at the hand of the Khazar Jews mostly.)


It actually makes a lot more sense to talk about Judeo-Islamic.  Islam forked not all that long ago and a result seem to be that the similarities are much closer.  Examples would be the things about animal sacrifice, slavery, decapitation, genital mutilation, pork, etc, etc.

im white british decent and athiest/agnostic.. but lets deal with some issues fairly

and christians understanding their radicalism.... hmm white supremecy, KuKluxKlan.. need i say anymore
all religions have radicals. theres even political radicals, social radical.


much like american military and government throw around the word 'god' alot too, while travelling thousands of miles away from USA to bomb entire cities and call it 'defense'.. sorry i just dont buy that one bit.
half a dozen middle easterners destroy only a few buildings in america doesnt balance out to the thousands of buildings destroyed in the middle east.

and christians believed womans place was in the kitchen


...
anyway. i would not think of muslims as terrorists just like i dont think of christians as terrorists. i think of the kukluxklan, white supremisists / isis, da'esh, al-qaeda as completely separate from the religions

i think that media just needs to stop bringing up the religion as the title of a terrorist group and just call them
'middleastern psychos/nutcases'
'western psychos/nutcases'

the hypocricy i see is the fact that if an america KKK walkd around with a gun the US defense wont shoot him as its 'expressing their freedoms' yet would travel thousands of miles to shoot muslims.
kinda surprising middle easterners are so angry, when you research the ottoman wars
but not surprising if you google ottoman top results show a furniture brand. where as type in a building 'twin towers' top results show death stats and fearmongering

gotta love the bias
twin tower death toll >2k civilians directly due to invaders (terrorist action)
syrian death toll >4k civilians directly due to invaders (us military weapons)

If you go back and look at the Klu Klux Klan historically, they may have been involved in 86 years in 3000-4000 murders of blacks. Of course any number is tragic, but let's as you say, "Be Fair." This is roughly what we see in the US for six months of black-to-black homicides.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/27/allen-west/allen-west-more-black-black-murders-six-months-86-/

And it's about what the radical extremist Islamists accomplish every three months.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com

By all means let's "Be Fair." We'll leave your assertion as "False."

Now let's consider your interesting assertion that Christians said "A woman's place is in the kitchen." Actually it was, until the inventions of prepackaged bread, and sliced bread, gave them considerable freedom. So this is a known historical case where technology had a direct effect on freeing women from what would be better considered a necessity for that time and age.

ha ha ha
you think bread was the reason for the female revolution

??? Your assertion was that certain cultures (Christian) thought "women should be in the kitchen.

Not only was that assertion wrong in delineating such a belief to Christian, when in fact subjugation of women is far, far more extreme in Islamic than Christian.

BUT it was wrong historically, as I did point out.

So here'ya go!

https://www.thoughtco.com/sliced-bread-invented-1779266

In 1930, Wonder Bread began to commercially produce pre-sliced loaves of bread, popularizing sliced bread and making it a household staple familiar to generations. Soon other brands warmed to the idea, and for decades there has been row upon row of sliced white, rye, wheat, multigrain, rye and raisin bread on grocery store shelves. Very few people living in the 21st century remember a time when there was no sliced bread, the universally-agreed-upon "greatest thing."

Wait... maybe you still don't buy it. No problem!!! Just make all your own bread for a month and report back .... Let us all know if you still hold it as trivial in importance!!!

Islam is not about spreading,its about accepting,in the beginning you know how much people accepted it,which is just in double digit figures after lot of struggle from prophet later only people start accepting that everyone is slave of God (Allah).

Why nobody answering that before Islam women were treated equal to men? Absolutely not after the Islam only women got more rights such as divorce their husbands if they don't want to live with him anymore,etc.

I'm afraid you'll never be able to argue that Islam is pro-woman. Ever. You'll have to go directly against various of your Profit's words to get to that point.

They allowed it because at least they can spread their religion or an Islam. If an Islam do bad things, all the name Islam would be a sinner. I hate Islam also because they want a power to conquer the world by an Islam and I think it was their goal and I am scared if it was happen because I am not an Islam.

Islam didn't made the women equal to men so I never want to argue about that (this also I hate about islam) but its only thing with Islam? Someone can answer that.

RIP Islam he even don't know what wanted to say about Islam. :P :P

im still laughing at sliced bread thing
i mean. think logically.

1.so you think that the 30 seconds to slice a few slices of bread, freed women from spending 12 hours a day 'in the kitchen'
cooked unsliced bread was being sold and created for generations and centuries before 1920
so it not about bread baking, but the slicing innovation of bread being available that you feel changed things

2. the actual revolution was actually the wars.
yep when men were drafted into the army to fight, the military needed to use the women as employee's to work in factories to build the artillery and stuff. yep the wars got women 'out of the kitchen' ... not sliced bread

as for those blaming islam as a whole for a couple dozen terrorists acts
should we hate all christians for the suicide school shooting killers, how about the KKK or whit supremicists or even hitler himself who wanted to take over the world and make it into a 100% christian planet of white skin, blonde hair blue eyed populous

(((ROTFL)))

I am a Christian but I grew up with Muslim neighbours, there was a Muslim school opposite our apartment and I can say with every certainty that Muslims are one of the most peaceful people on earth, it's just that the extremists seem to be giving the religion a bad name all over the world but if you look closely, you would notice that it's not really about the religion but it's just about the perverted desires of some unscrupulous people because some of these extremities still hurt their fellow Muslim brothers and sister and try to cover it all up with religion.

Better read the whole statement than what you wanted to see. :)

I thought about bringing up the Jewish guy who runs DailyStormer or one of those, the Jewish KKK grand dragon, or the number of Jews in Hitler's general staff and the 'transfer agreement' which helped populate 'the promised land with the chosen people', but didn't feel like doing the research.  So I trimmed the message to the more current instances of 'by way of deception we shall do war.'

Anyway, (some of) the goy know.

Edit:  To bad more Muslims won't wise up and start defending themselves against the false flags, the media attacks, and slander designed stir up trouble which nobody except the Zionists need.  My hat is off the that guy who is the president of Malaysia.