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Recent approach by bounty managers treating newbie as some sort of slaves is alarming, you work and few days to end of bounty they change rules and cancel all newbies on spreadsheet after using them to gain investors, yet admin of bitcontalk and moderators are mute seen their members being used and dump, if you cant stand up for us, we will stand up for ourselves, the future of Twitter and facebook campaign is over, even signature participants are being paid worthless coins,  even merit be like jamb :o >:(

Stay safe son I love you.

  If you read the rules, you will see that scams are not moderated so admins will likely never be sympathetic with "slave" newbies (or they may be sympathetic but they wont take action to save you from that plight).  That being said, the cancellations likely have more to do with the spam associated with these bounty campaigns which is something that admins do moderate.  You really should stand up for yourselves; I'd like to see that but I'm not on twitter or facebook - too much bounty spam!  Maybe you can report back here on the how the revolution is going?

Bitcointalk admins and moderators have nothing to do with bounties. This isn't a fiverr or some other gig site. This is a forum where you talk to people. Getting paid for posting twitter and facebook links is too good to be true anyway so not surprising if that's gonna end one way or another.

If a bounty campaign scammed - you can bring up a scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0).

The world is ending

With this moves signature campaign is also at risk of extinction

You opened a similar topic here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192022.0
I would suggest to stop opening multiple threads when you can talk about the same in the same thread.  You should lock one of the topic to prevent the spam.

And you already told bounty is worthless, so why care ?

If the rules says that newbie is allowed to join then you have the rights to claim your share but if it's written that newbies is not allowed then you cannot do nothing with it since it's part of the rules so better to read the rules before joining on any sig campaigns so that your effort will be counted, and also you should understand that there are less opportunities for newbies here since they have a limited capacity which is not good for advertising, much better if you wouldn't focus on bounties and try different things which doesn't need a rank requirement so that you can earn and example for that is seek a community management job or do any technical related.

I don't see how it relates. Newbies are not able to have signatures anyway. If you're saying that the whole bounty/campaign business is going to collapse - that's possible but unlikely. Signatures have been around for a long time, well before the altcoin/token boom. There might be fewer campaigns, lower payments, that's fine, that's just business.

I see that you often make posts in bad mouthing the Bounty Campaign. I think it's not good, if there are deficiencies in yourself please correct and improve yourself. One of the reasons newbies are banned from participating in bounties is because they mostly spam their activities. In addition, there are still many bounties provided for newbies. You must be able to select which bounties have integrity in respecting their participants. Choose a bounty manager who has experience in managing bounties, not amateur bounty managers who often change the rules arbitrarily.

at first he said that the bounty he joined accept newbie rank but at then of the bounty they just changed the rules with no newbie accepted
maybe you can make a thread in scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) and explain it your problem with SS

Nope.

Signature campaigns are still playing well if you look at the average earning of a senior to hero member of this forum. You are just delusional that everything ends with being paid here. It does not.

You all need to clear your minds and decide what is good for you. If you want to reach a higher rank then you need to earn merits. There is no other way to clear that hurdle. You have to work on it.

And boycott bounties. They are worthless since the days ICOs started except those who sold at pumps and got out. Again I reiterate the fact that this forum is not your workplace and should not be treated like one. Get a job in real life if you are in need of money.

People enrol voluntarily in campaigns, being the Forum a media where they coexists, but in no way does it get involved other than by providing some tools to the community, to help create a layer of vigilance and alert through the Trust System and Scam accusations (+ community posts).

Comparing a person that voluntarily takes-up on a campaign, with a slave is pretty cynical. One can opt-in and opt-out at any moment, move on to the next, and even call out whatever names on wishes to the campaign’s “masters”. Pretty far from slavery I’d say.

Anyhow, what is likely more frequent is the campaign not paying any member at all, or doing so in a token that is pretty much worthless when and if it hits the market. It’s not just a Newbie thingy.

I often wonder who are the real recipients of all these social media campaigns. I mean who would send this sort of (mis)information to friends and relatives beats me. Most likely one ends up sending the Tweets and such to other people who are immune to that sort of spam, being probably into the same game themselves. It’s probably a pretty endogenous experience with a lot of ignore on the incoming messages in the spirit of keeping up the number of required followers.

I must confess I gave it a go once to try to understand the basics of what is was about. I found it pretty much belittling and uncanny, sending Tweets and such to a bunch of people I followed with a dummy account, whom I did not know not care for. Not my piece of cake.

Having said all that, yes, people should stand up to those campaigns that play with foul manners, and the more that do so the better. Ideally, Campaigns should have something to loose, and for the most, it’s not prestige that they are after but rather extensive visibility paid with a token that cost them a few dollars to create. If real cash (or better still BTC) was at stake, things would probably be dealt with in a more professional manner, being more cualitative than quantitative in the communication, and aiming at a real target audience and not just a circle-jerk tweeting spam circus.

Campaigns aren't in the brink of extinction like what you're trying to imply. Campaigns just got very competitive due to the new merit system, which is a very good move in my opinion. Now, the more deserving people now have better opportunities of earning, in contrast to how it used to be whereas almost everything was flooded by bots and spam accounts. Well, unfortunately for you, you now have to try to put some effort on your posts to actually get into the campaigns.

Also, don't act like you were robbed of opportunities. If you actually deserve to earn here, you will be able to. Best of luck. :P

Twitter and Facebook campaign are one of the things that do generate up some spam so its being highly moderated.
You can read up the campaign rules on first place if newbies are accepted or not on such campaign because most of the times
newbies doesnt really read up further instructions which doing jobs which arent that counted since they arent qualified.
Bounties arent on the brink of extinction same as said above.I had tried to look the bounty section where its still being flooded by crappy ICO bounties.

For now the best thing to do is established up your account and focus on how to get up some merits for you to
open wide opportunities as your rank goes up.

It's really alarming but you cannot make all the bounty hunters to agree not to be a part of the bounty campaign, unless you create a telegram channel for newbies here so they can unite to fight oppression in the bounty campaign, bounty campaign has gone from bad to worse, these bounty managers know that newbies will accept any rules, it's up to you to ignore it.

OP is looking quite confused here and he is unable to express his point of view clearly. He is talking in general and i do not think he would start any scam accusation against any particular campaign.



Even then the bounty hunters won't agree to boycott the bounties. No matter how bad the rules are, how much less the rewards are, these people will still keep on working for the bounties because they think that any one of them may get hit and change their fortune.

First of all, please check out the rules of bounty campaigns. Some bounty managers are not accepting newbies. The next thing is you have to check out the spreadsheet updates weekly. If you have any problem, you can contact the bounty manager. Another thing is the profits will be depending on project quality, bounty allocation, number of participants, future updates etc. Do your own research about that project before starting in any bounty campaign.

Been there, done that. I used to join bounties, signature campaigns and the like before. I earned a fair amount until I got a real job.

I'm not against to signature campaigners and bounty hunters. In fact, I really admire them for having a lot of time to post to get at least the minimum required. They've work hard for it, so they deserve it.

As for you fella, don't focus too much on joining bounties and the like. As you say, you are a newbie, or should I say, a level above newbie. You should focus on learning first. Work your up and for all you know you'll br able to join bounties and earning like others do.

Good luck mate.

Yeah, you can talk about some shitty campaigns but if you’re observant enough, you can see that serious campaigns just leveled-up their game. A lot of newbie - member rank peeps were just duped account used to hoard bounty prizes. To prevent this, and maintain the forum’s cleanliness, bounty managers improved their standard on choosing their participants.

Win - win situation for the forum and campaign.

Forum - less trash
Campaign - better integrity and participant looks more credible

That’s how they see it  

Now, what I can advise is to work hard and get to Sr Mr and up if you want a good paying campaign.

Thanks for advice mate

Thanks...  Enlighten me

Moderators and admins are not mute only this is not their task to watch after scammed newbies. You are the only one here who is responsible for that.

Every bounty hunter should carefully choose the campaign he is willing to participate in. I am not talking here about the stakes and posting requirements only the project itself.

After all, scams still happen and if you have been cheated, then we have a special Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) section, where you can start a thread.

Admins, moderators, and even the whole community will be happy to help you, if you are right and really someone scammed you.

PS
Before you start with bounties you should educate yourself and there are hundreds of threads already with the subject: "How To Bounty?"
Just use the search feature, put How To Bounty phrase and look in the last 1000 days of history.

how to choose a good bounty ?? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2914187.0)
How to Get Started Becoming a Bounty Hunter For a newbie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2353015.0)
How to check bounty legit or scam?? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2989427.0)

While i agree that it is not fair to change rules in the middle of the bounty campaign and exclude newbies, in my opinion Bounty Managers should set Jr.Member rank as minimum to participate in bounty campaigns.
Anyone that is active on this forum for a few months , and is still a newbie, basically doesn't add anything to this forum, and see it only as milking cow, so setting Jr Member as minimum should discourage that kind of behaviour.

If you really want to participate in bounty campaigns, I would suggest you to be active on this forum, reach at least Member rank ( that shouldn't be too hard as it requires only 10 merit) and join some signature campaign that pays in BTC.

come on, do not defend scummy bounty managers (of course they are not all like this)
we all know that sometimes terms and conditions of bounty programs changes.
sometimes changes are moderate and that is ok, but sometimes changes are drastic, for example as the situation OP has described and I think this is wrong.
and moderators should start to act, maybe it is ok to give a mark that this particular bounty manage have no trust and could deceive.
but some kind of reaction from moderator should be, imho
 

We cannot blame bounty managers, moderators and eve low rank bounty hunters. No one's need to be blame, the problem arises based on the performance of each individual, I do think that we shouldn't generalize everything. If bounty managers are requiring member ranks, that needs to be respected, they have their standards, so if a newbie or jr member doesn't met the requirements, they need to work hard for it, it takes time, but the reward is promising. Just remember, the purpose of this forum is to provide knowledge, profit is the bonus.

I feel sorry for the bounty hunter. I find that many projects capitalize on the hunter's bounty and trust. They delay monthly, even for a year and no news. This is a scam.

OP, can you be more specific? About which campaign and manager you're talking about. Accepting Newbies initially and removing them just before the end of campaign doesn't sounds nice. You should start scam accusation.
And you should calm down. Yeah, you've been scammed, but it's not the end of world. Most of use been scammed in crypto world. In general bounties is shit and not only newbies are often scammed there. Meanwhile Bitcoin paying campaigns are still going strong and scams are rare thing there. And merit system - it's one of the best things that ever happened to this forum, there is no reason to complain about it if you're goid member.

I'm not defending bounty managers, I'm defending the new system. Are we really blaming bounty managers for removing signature campaigns for Newbies? Because how are these projects and services make money off publicity off signatures if newbies aren't allowed to use links on their signatures in the first place(which is a great move by the way, lessens a lot of spam)? Think about it for a second.

Who told you to join bounty campaign really? Can you please explain it briefly? Are admin or moderators invited you to join spam campaign? Was this forum created for bounty spammer ? Stop blaming to admin and moderators.  Don't make unrealistic comments about admin and moderators. This forum has been  created for crypto discussion. But we are earning from here by varieties way. Admin isn't related with any of them so we can't blame to him. Admin really not encourage to run any bounty campaign also he don't want to loss his user. That's why still remaining bounty campaign. So you should do your own diligence before join any campaign. Don't act like spammer.

Excluding the merit requirement, a member would be a newbie for no less than 28 days, except on the occasion that they register and start posting close to the end of an activity window.
I don't think this is enough time frame to start jumping into bounties and trying to monetize your account.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with making some bucks from the forum, but you need to have learnt to an extent before contributing and getting paid to posts. This takes time and effort, otherwise it would just lead to a spam fest, reason why the merit requirement was added and updated.

Bounties are not the primary objective, and hence it is not the moderators priority.
My advice is op, should take out time to read through the forum. Stickie threads are a good place to start, you would learn a lot along the way, and would be able to protect yourself from scams.

I think someone brought up them here and told that they can earn passively by just using this forum, but reality strikes at him and now he see that bounty campaigns are not totally paying since some will turn scam and some of them will fail. And it's totally pathetic for blaming someone when they didn't earn and they should learn to set there mindset that it's a luck game and not all the time we can earn specially with newbie ranks where almost no bounty opportunities opening the doors for them since they had limited resources upon promoting in this forum.

Unfortunately it's how Bitcointalk is being advertised by some people.

> Where do you earn bitcoin/crypto?
>> I earn through Bitcointalk!

Hence we frequently see people here solely to earn bucks. The people who go here to actually read and post to ask beginner questions are a minority.

What marvels me most, is seeing a newbie joining many bounty campaign through facebook and twitter without much knowledge of the project. Bounties for newbies worth nothing at the end because crowd do partake in it.
Do newbie expect much from such campaign? Without been scammed at the end

They do and to understand their background you'd have to put yourself in their shoes. I don't know where you're coming from but imagine a teenager from India or Pakistan, or one of the poor African countries. He's looking for something to do online and has no background in programming, design, journalism, nothing. He hears about earning on Bitcointalk and sees that managers are paying a dollar to do this a dollar to do that. Post a few tweets = a dollar, get a referral = a dollar, write a post in ANN =a dollar and this is in the world when his father is earning a dollar per hour in a full time job. Where you can eat in a nice restaurant for $3. We'll keep seeing them spamming the forums as long as there are campaigns to accept them and we'll see them being scammed because they're the perfect victims.

Newbies aren't welcomed by most bounty managers in this forum, and sometimes they accept them just for limited campaigns (especially the social media ones). So it is better that either you wait until you upgrade and get the Junior member rank, or you buy the copper member rank for a cheap cost, and it is already considered by most bounty managers as Junior rank.

I know it feels like that, I understand your feelings, but some campaigns do not accept newbies because they think sorry is spam, there are some campaigns that allow newbies to join the campaign, so be careful before you enter the campaign. This is from my own point of view, sorry if someone is offended.

If the users, especially newbies got scammed, its not the moderator and the OPs responsibilty because no one told them to join bounty campaigns and signature campaigns. As newbies they should be very careful at doing anything here in the forum, think about it multiple times before deciding. And it's not a secret that there people that would take advantage of anyone if had the chance, and their actions are out of our control, what the newbies can control is their actions. So if newbies wants to be accepted by bounty campaigns, its euther they work hard for their ranks to level up or buy it.

This situation definitely doesn't happen in all bounties. It is unfortunate that these situations occur, but the best thing you can do is to tell us where this happened and mark them as spam. I don't think Bitcointalk moderators are mute on these topics, i believe they still care about all members but it is hard to keep an eye on all scammers.

The forum cannot and will not be able to mandate bounty managers and operators to stop using newbies in their schemes. Of course, any advertising is still advertisement nonetheless, so using newbies as some sort of an advertisement media to further their interests and intent to penetrate the market is a no-brainer, considering that most newbies would accept pennies in exchange of a hard day's work.

Well at the least, this forum does not allow newbies to have signatures like higher-ranking members have, else this will be a much more abused area for the managers and operators alike.

Bitcointalk admin and mods nothing to do.if see the rules before joining any bounty,you can see that manager have right to change the rules or take any decision. So you have nothing to do if they Change the rules.but most of the bounty campaign accept newbie for social media campaign, only for sig need high rank profile.             

Rules stems from the beginning of the campaign. Despite the merit program which I've come across being here for a while, I think mostly newbies should learn about the forum for a while before being part of campaigns in here.

You can only pick the campaigns that are really from a good team, identifying which team is good is just not easy though. Rules in most cases are just not fair for bounty hunters specially when it says they can change the rules as they see fit. So when they say they allow Jr member for now, it could be different in the middle of the campaign. Just as they will tell us to distribute the tokens right after the campaign but later be changed to after 3 months.

The only rules that may not change here is that bounty campaigns are not moderated. Its better not join at all and find another opportunity somewhere, probably in the job sites.

I'm a bounty hunter, the victim of many scam projects, after a long period of work, they pay rewards that are tokens of no value or nothing happens. This is alarming and needs the help of the community to evaluate good and bad projects

Don't expect for the community to evaluate which projects are scam and which are not because they don't have time to do it. That is the risk of being a bounty hunter. Take note that there are risks in being a bounty hunter like getting scammed. Treat yourself like a hunter in a forest :). Not all the times, you can catch an animal. Same with bounty hunting, not all the times you will participate in a legit campaign that will pay you tokens and will have a value in the future. :)

Evaluating projects is not easy. You can read all the documentation and reviews, but the former can be cloned and altered, whilst the latter paid for a decent review. Likely you need to enter hefty one-on-one Q&As sessions with the project team itself, but who has enough knowledge to discern what’s what ? I mean, it’s not like they were being audited by PwC throughout the project.

Imagine that, but from the investor’s perspective, where people pour in money into these so called projects, only to find out that they were scams or worthless revenue adventured (for the investor). Part of those probably were redirected there by traffic originated precisely by participants in these bounties.

Imagine that you have a campaign, how will you manage it by getting a participants? If you get a newbie, they have a lot of information that they didn't know, especially the rules. How will the investor see the project do you have if your worker doesn't give some good ideas to get some investors? Right?

Newbies literally need to learn things not to chase the bounty rewards so better no newbie bounties,facebook and twitter campaigns are worthless because thousands of participants will join so on stake based you may get a penny or two for 6 months patience,learn the things you may become high ranked in the mean while and can make more money than you could on bounty hunting.

You can do nothing about it and it will continue the way it is. All the ICO claim to be worth investing and we cannot perfectly conclude if the ico will fail in later stages or not. This is a sort of gamble or risk whereby you spend some of your time in the bounty task with the hope to get good returns.
Hope is the only factor which makes the people keep on hunting the projects.

This is a serious accusation you better name those bounties campaign and bounty manager that does this, they can change the rules but not to the point that they cancel and wasted newbies contribution to the promotion of the project.
Only in signature campaign that we are not all equal, but when it comes to social media campaign you can work to add more followers, there is no merit or time to accomplish.
Bounty campaign is now wasted to many wasted effort and time, you want to give up but still hoping for a good project to come.

Perhaps they aren't aware of that. All they knew is just share everything on social media then they're good. Days are gone when bounty is somehow profitable thus the only person benefited is the team behind every project. Better yet move on and don't blame the community, besides no one is forcing you to join such bounty campaigns.

If you're after the rules, I think some rules clearly indicated that the manager can change the rules when they deem necessary.

Therefore you must be smart in choosing a bounty campaign, the fraud project is increasingly rampant if we just join in the bounty we will be trapped by fraud, the community cannot evaluate because it is from ourselves who determine the right direction so as not to be cheated again.

This a common mistake by both managers and bounty participants. Some managers will tell something like "they have the rights to change rules anytime" we cant do anything about it. If youre a newbie better not join a campaign like that or else you will waste your time. But some managers are aggressive too they only change rules at the end of the canpaign which is unforgivable, they want to only use you for promotion for free. So you better rank up and do good stuff in the forum.
Anyways theymos is having an ART contest he is giving some merits to your genuine creations, no matter how it looks as long as youve done it yourself.

Here is the link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.0

First, page 3 is too many pieces of information for you OP and I think you need to lock this thread to avoid redundant answers/replies.

Here is my opinion regarding the newbie rank. They are a newbie and they should need to study and learn more in forum guidelines and rules. Forum is not about bounty hunting, you should do something to contribute a good topic/reply. If you did not get even single merit that you can able to rank in a Jr. member rank, then probably your account is garbage. Another reason is probably newbie rank may use to abuse some projects by joining and collecting freebies.

There are too many new accounts created every day and many posts are used every day to participate in bounty. I think the bonus managers should take measures to restrict these people! Do not allow newbie to participate in the campaign, this is my opinion, it takes at least 1 merit to be able to participate in bounty programs!

Wow wow wow
What serious statements
Or can someone explain what is generally bounty for newbies in this forum?
do you have any programs?

The only course of action that you can do is to report bounty manager and bounty campaign, how are you going to go to war when there is no regulation on bounty campaign and ICO, this is the risk that you have to take when you are participating in the bounty campaign, you have been warned if you have been reading all the complaints here about bounty campaign, you know that you are participating at your own risk.
You have the option to leave or bear this.

At the moment it is rather difficult to find a bounty that is eligible for a newbie. Because the forum rules are strict, many people deliberately make multiple accounts on this forum to cheat the bounty program. Therefore at this time the rank Jr.Member must have at least 1 merit. My advice if you are still a newbie, it is better to focus on building a reputation in this forum first and afterwards you can enjoy the results that you have built.

A Bligh (sic) on the bounties, it sounds as if there is mutiny afoot.

I sometime asked about other plans by the moderators and Admin of this forum in making the forum some what rewarding to post other than signatures. Signatures has had their time and seem to be restricted/rewarding to only a few (lucky) members.
With this continued, forum growth might also be at risk.
Can’t compare the activity on the forum in 2017 (ICO craze) to today.

Well that was a short led war …

OP was banned around the 21/10/2019:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1917921

Time to find another rebellious leader, ideally with more stamina and stance  …