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well, i dont believe that .
i just think with my logic, how people, or whales or big investor or whatever their name, will put their money to the crypto market easily without think first, or even if they think first, did they will think about consequence from their action ?
maybe mass sell will come from another side who have been waiting that moment.
just because end of the year will come and u think bull will comes too ?
or someone can explain me about bull run signal or whatever u call that, because i totaly think that just no more than wishfull think.

Mass selling usually happens so you should expect that it will come. About the year end bull run, I think that impression already built because of the 2017 bull run. It came to pass before the end of the year so basically the pattern and idea started with that.

The last bull run it could be the last time that we've saw bitcoin hit $13,000 but afterwards it moved down. It's okay to be wishful about the bull run but it won't change the result if it will come again or not.

Nobody knows when it will happen again the bull run only good news and bad news we can gathered a good basis of mass selling and buying with regards in tracking of charts daily. This is a common strategy used by most successful holders and investors before it happen the bull run.

Whales can make hype to trigger a bull run but it's just one of the factors which affects the entire market. It's a chain effect because it could attracting someone to buy because it's rising. If whales dumps their coins it makes fear so people will sell as fast as they can before they will lose money. There's no absolute way to predict when bull run happen. Just buy when the price hits the bottom and sell when you think the price is up the ceiling of the price you're comfortable of. Bull run comes unexpectedly. Even analysts find it hard to predict.

IMO most of the BTC movements are pure speculations and I'm usually avoiding prognoses.

But currently, I have the feeling of bearish moods all day long. This is why I'm sticking to BTC <> Alt trades and I'm avoiding Fiat pairs. Except that I moved some of my coins into TUSD, as insurance against in case of strong bear move.

remember, history repeat itself my friend
maybe you think this is just no more than wishfull think
but, i'm sure next year after bitcoin halving, a huge demands will coming to crypto world again mate, and will push the price of bitcoin and other good alts increase
just like the past mate

well, i agree with that , since after it, no more bull run comes.


yes, that why i asking, because i cant imagine that came suddenly, at least some good news can be,hmm.. u know like a special signal,before that really came.
so the point, its came from speculation and prediction.

well, so it's totally because speculation and prediction ,
based on previous btc halving it can be a reference for making speculations and predictions.
but i dont think it will be make some good affect to alts, i just think,it make btc more dominant on market.

Investors are smart and intelligent, but I would agree that there are also irrational buyers here in crypto, specially newbies who thought that they can get rich very quickly.


I wouldn't say that this is a wishful thinking, what can you say when the price suddenly shoots up to $20,000 in 2017? Eventually we will get there and even more, just a matter of time. Everything here is timing, market works in cycle so you have to wait for it to happen at the right moment and see new all time high again for the altcoin market.

Yeah, very wishful thinking when Bakkt has barely made any big volumes and I dont think that the bullrun might even happen very soon, It could possibly take another 3-4 years before it gets traction because regulations and restrictions are still being faced ATM.

I personally think that the alt market will continue to recovery from losses earlier on within the year.

However, the crypto market overall I'm not as long on. I think that due to how hard Bakkt flopped and how there is extremely strong resistance at around the $10k level, there is a lack of bullish momentum for at least until the end of this year for total market cap to increase drastically.

Individual alts can still rally relative to BTC, like what DOGE is doing right now. But in terms of fiat returns, I doubt that there will be anything major.

Bull run will eventually happened, however, we need to have some kind of catalyst, that so far we haven't seen or heard as of yet. But when it come though, no one can really stop it from happening just like we have seen in 2017.

Maybe the only catalyst is the bitcoin halving in 2020, but it is like months from now. So if I'm in your shoes, just keep holding and wait till your wishful thinking become a reality. And I'm sure that you are not the only one who's dreaming like that, every one does.

It's true and the price plunged down to $8,000 and there's a threat that it can go lower again up to $5,000. But, I'm not worrying at all because the next bull run has to get ready and it needs to step down a bit to open a new high.

I have also that on my mind that it can be the same as 2017 or more than that. Base on the movement that it's showing today, it's stabilizing and this pattern is likely the same like it was going out of $3k level.

Wishful thinking or not, I believe that the perceived bull run in 2020 can be a self-fulfilling prophecy as the market sentiment is agreeing with this projection. You see, market sentiment can be the force that can push any coin up or down. As far as Bitcoin is concerned, it would be easy to conclude that a growing number of people are looking at 2020 as the year when Bitcoin can go "to the moon" experiencing some good jump. We actually need this break otherwise there can be a wide negative reaction to Bitcoin. As to whales, it is within their own right as the owners of those Bitcoin to move, to sell, to buy more if they want to.

In other words, we don't have any business whatsoever trying to intervene and influence to do the opposite of what they think good for them. How would you feel if there will other people telling you on what to do, when to do things and trying to make you explain why you are doing it? That would be disgusting, in my opinion. Don't' worry though, I am not yet a whale and I am just a small shrimp in the water pond left by the rising tide.

Then what we call last 2017 bull run? A wishful think that happened? I think it's not. Investors and Traders have their indicators that can decide them when to buy or sell like economic issues and new in cryptos here. I know bullrun will happen again soon, it may take a longer time since many regulation and scam or failed projects ruined it's name that getting new investors are too hard to do now. But soon it can be resolve that can cause another bull run.

Bull runs do tend to happen around that time, it is a psychological effect that the end of the year has. The whales expect it, which is why they often make their move beforehand, thus starting the bull run. Psychology plays a big part in investing, which impacts the prices.

I am inclined to believe that the bullish rally this year has already been, this is an increase in the value of Bitcoin from 3K dollars to almost 15K. There Are less than three months until the end of the year and Bitcoin can not consolidate above 8500 dollars. Sentiment is mostly pessimistic and I think the price could fall by 2020.

The investor or the big whales buy bitcoin when the price is down deeper. They will not think twice about buying bitcoin because they believe that bitcoin prices will increase higher. So if they see bitcoin price can down deeper, they will place a large amount of money to buy bitcoin. They also believe bitcoin will reach the highest price, no matter if they need to wait for a long time. But they will sell some of bitcoin to make money first and save the rest of bitcoin for another day. The bull run will come, and that is the best time for them to sell all of bitcoin they have to make money.

In 2017 there were so many things promoting crypto. For instance ICOs alone brought so many people around the game. For the next bull run, we certainly need something to trigger it. Adoption is really getting slow, institutions are not moving in as we expected. Do the only thing to do is be optimistic that it will certainly, maybe sooner or later.

The next trend will arrive very soon, i have seen the result of BAKKT and it brings us to the bottom place of bitcoin price. The bullrun can happen anytime, what is really needed by crypto to see bitcoin to get the next FOMO from the bitcoin halving and that's enough to bring bitcoin to the top or at least prevent the next drop that will be made by the trend itself.
It doesn't even need to take other years.

Thing i see people speculating is the market cycle. Bull run will happen based on the previous behavior if the volatility, but people are just debating over in what phase we are on that market cycle, and they have been doing that since the ath now. I am using btc dominance as my signal as it really low near the top and i am assuming it's so high because we are near the bottom.

A sign could be different for every person because the result varies and based on their research, as for me the sign to see the market has turned better is by looking at flow of money.
if we are hearing about a fresh money coming in into the market, that might be the time for cryptocurrency to turn better from its current situation.
and the bull run itself will happen after the market making a continued upward movement once the market turned better.

no, we are not talking about the end of the year. bull run comes because of what will happen next year. ethereum 2.0 and halving, these two things will trigger Bullrun. Big investors will definitely buy because they know they will rise.

Maybe this is different from what you imagine, but know this bullrun only for a few coins. so there is no other altcoin season, only for bitcoin and ethereum.

Better not to be wishful because it will just stress you out.Just compare on whats last year hopes on the last quarter of 2018
which majority of people do think that the 2017 bull run would happen again on 2018 but we have seen that it isnt the case.
Lots of hopes being crushed but people doesnt still give up on thinking that there would be an another run and presuming on this year
will be included but same as yours i dont already have that wishful thinking.

all bullrun speculation starts with halving, because many think that the end of this year will happen. if asked if halving can make Whales want to buy, I'm sure you can. because they must have looked back a few years. where every time halving, bitcoin is always pumped.

when bitcoin rises, it will have an impact on all altcoin. so the bullrun will be created. maybe there will be a sell wave later, but that won't make the bullrun stop.

remember halving bitcoin will occur in May 2020 it will happen 7 months to come. we know that in the year before halving bitcoin went up 5 months before halving. this possibility triggers new investors to invest in bitcoin at the end of the year.

I also want to share why the bull happened
watch video here
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7S9sRXUBrtF0nKTvLY3fwg

I' am still optimistic that it will come. Many of the users are just waiting for the right time. I think before the end of the year bitcoin price will go high again because of the many uses of it this coming christmas season.

bullrun not only in 2017 and we all know that when bitcoin is only a few dollars to thousands right ,its definitely happening and not just wishful thinking but not at the end of the year I think or alternating a few years ,in my opinion it will exist without being able to predicted

I think the influence of whales is often over-stated. If prices start to plummet, I think this is often because a small drop has triggered a mass panic, and a lot of people are selling small amounts. It's not the case that every time crypto drops in price the cause is some nefarious billionaire. Of course crypto markets can be manipulated, particularly with low volume coins, but I think actual reasons for price changes are more mundane and more due to a herd mentality and to people being understandably jittery and trigger-happy given what has happened with previous crashes.

You mean it, the history already proved it in a very outstanding situations. Many people was luckily enjoying their profit during that time, other than that this was an opposite scenario if you compared last 2018 until present. The profit expectations has been totally disrupted due to bad market situation, and you're partly certain that there could be a random time bullrun will happen alternately. Because we're currently in an unpredicatable market behavior, so have the consideration that it was only a future surprise.

Yes market movement or bull run is really happen at random time. Chart and fundamental analysis cannot predict a long bull run. There must be a group of people who holds thousands bitcoin were moving it. So, we have to always ready when the time come again and make bitcoin as a world trend.

In the last years Bitcoin had a tendency to increase in the latter part of the year, but that backfired hard in 2018 with how we were going through a bear market, and chances are that we replicate the same scenario also this year.

We're still up this year, but we're not far from a 50% drop from where we were some months ago.... knowing Bitcoin, it's kinda safe to say that we have more room to the downside, and that in a much more brutal way.

We have had a large dump the moment we broke out of the descending triangle, but it wasn't as severe/brutal as the one we broke out of in 2018 after a very long period of sideways consolidation above the $6k mark.

Well there is always be something like that ,
I mean when the bull run there would be some people who would sell but that is just how the market works.
There would always be a massive buy or sell order everytime and for me you might be right bull run or even the price drop could just be a wishful thinking.
Surely you've understand that the huge sell could happen in the bull run and it could slow it down but that could also happen in the price drop,
People could always take advantage of the market movement so it is all up to us .

I entered the market October 2017 because of an article about Ripple by Android Authority on Facebook, read it and my first thought literally was: Maybe I have Found the ticket to my financial freedom. Rode the bull run, pretty crazy one. I didn't sell any XRP and as the price was going down. I was deep down researching XRP/Ripple, Cross border payments, liquidity, counter party risks and of course buying more XRP.

During the bear market my knowledge kept increasing not only about XRP, but for many other projects and Cryptocurrency in General, there are some other great project out there, but non of them has a scenario in which the price is going to increase based on utility, none. 2018 has been a very bad year for the price, but an excellent year for Cryptocurrency in general and XRP in particular. Once regulations and liquidity are there, then all these partnerships are going to blow up.

If someone would say me that I would buy cryptocurrency and be knowledgeable about it in 2017, i would have said that you are crazy, but here we are today. there is an opportunity that comes once in life and for me it's get rich or hold till Zero, literally. god bless you all in this community with so much hatred for XRP who are doing something that could be life changing.

Utility will rule!

maybe halving bitcoin will only increase the dominance of bitcoin in the crypto market. but halving will create a pump for bitcoin. and after the pump it might be altcoin's turn to go up, especially for large altcoins like ethereum.
so the scenario that I'm thinking of is when halving bitcoin, altcoin might be red because there will be a wave of sell altcoin to buy btc. after that those who have already made a profit will sell btc and buy altcoin.

well , indicator what ?
the only logic reason i know behind 2017 party is because crypto have new technology to bring ecosystem more better, and that called smartcontract.
demand for altcoins on that time really really over massive.
no wonder prices for every altcoins really really crazy.
and for now, i dont see anything who can create waves like that come again.

Every bull run is just speculations. We really dont know what will happen or when it will be.
This halving might be the reason but how sure are we that it will start there? It might also start dumping on that event and pump later. We are looking on what we had last 2017 and expecting to happen this last quarter?
Demands! This is what we need to give again the big demand like what we had before.

It's been slowed since investors are wiser now, they think before they've act. Maybe we won't see the kind of bull that we all expecting but a slow pace of momentum that will give some lift to the entire market. Halving is incoming and from past experiences this triggers the bull, but again that's speculative guess where bag holders can kill the party and start pulling down the market, for now, everything is just a wishful thinking as there's no clear directions for having a massive adoptions that will bring the whole market to much higher level.

Look at bitcoin dominance and altcoin charts, my friend. In my opinion this is just another pull up before resuming the trend. I believe we won't have an altcoin season soon. I expect more money to pour into Bitcoin and after we reach a new ATH it might be a possibility for legitimate altcoin projects to follow its footsteps.

I understand your desperation about of the market since it's over a year there is still no bull run but instead the market keep on dropping last year. Luckily this year after almost hitting the $3500 bottom, it begun to grow up until now. But the correction try to pull it back to its normal range.

You should trust the market because the halving of Bitcoin is almost coming next year.

to be honest, i am not frustated or something like that because what happen on market.
i just , well lets say make this clear.
because , i totaly confused about many many and many thread about bull run , u know something like prediction from nowhere.because u know exactly market goes with something logical.
"when bull run,when lambo,when moon" even go to the mountain is quite enough for now.

Best bull run signal i can hear off from the forum itself is the halving due the very next year. I think that is practically a good indication of bull run as the supply would squeeze down if such a thing happens while demand will still be aggressive and anyone in the world can tell that in such a situation prices will tend to rise and mathematically there is no explanation as to that people are finding some estimated valuation based on stock to flow models. Let's see what happens.

Well, you won't get frustrated or something if you don't expect too much in the market like you have to believe every story they feed you. Find a reliable sources if you really want to know more about of the market. If you want to know about Bitcoin price, there's a thread for BTC price wall, although I don't know much about of the altcoin prediction wall but there are existing groups that you can find specifically for altcoins only but you have to search them on the internet.

We do not know the next trend of  the market and cryptocurrency has high volatility.   So for sure, no one can tell when the next trend of bulls will appear though in technical analysis, they can see pattern and hint by reading the chart.  You can try to visit tradingviews to check about the current analysis of the market and understand if there will be an upcoming bull run or not and the reason behind it by explaining the trend on the chart.

You describe it very precisely those that believe that a bull market is coming at the end of the year are not really basing their predictions on the reality of the market but on wishful thinking.

It seems there were many investors which did not took advantage of the correction on the bitcoin price and now are losing even more when they compare their altcoins to bitcoin, they do not want to accept they made a mistake and the only way this changes is with a bull run.

Yes for me. Most of them are careless, like not thinking about consequences from their action(common with some newbies entering in crypto without understanding how crypto works). But for those big whales or big time people investing in crypto, for sure they are aware unless they are too much rich just to invest in anything that they don't know, like gambling or whatsoever (because they have lot of money, so whatever they do, does not matter anymore to them).
About the bull run, it's because of the block halving for me, not every end of the year.

It will be hard for you if you just depend on any analysis, for you to understand the market you should know how to read the trend and know where to wait the bull. The exact time for the next bull run is still unknown, but it will happen because the bear market is over and if you have bitcoin you will be good. Wait patiently its hard to recover from a big loss, we know this.

Because of what happened last 2017 we thought the history will repeat itself so many investors are hoping for another bull run since we are in the 3rd quarter of this year.

Learn to analyze the market and dont depend on others speculation, no one can accurately say the next thing for crypto. Bitcoin halving would be next year, few months to go and we'll see if will create an impact to crypto as a whole.

Huge price spikes are not the only indicators of bull markets. Several years of smaller, but consistent annual growth is a bull market too. It may not be as exciting, but these bubbles aren't benefiting anyone except for those lucky enough to time the top and those manipulating the price in the first place.

In my opinion, the cycle repeats with larger and larger populations. There were people saying this exact same thing in 2013/2014/2015 that was a huge crash, it's all over. but I started buying around then, and so I still feel good about today's prices. I guarantee there are still people out there who haven't heard of Bitcoin or Cryptos, or at least don't know what the word refers to. thereby, There will be another bubble. even without a bubble the fact that the price is in anything other than freefall means that people are buying more and more Cryptos every day.

Market movements are unpredictable many are waiting for another cryptocurrencies 2017 like bull run to eagerly unload their crypto assets specially those who bought at all time high. Most people that time don't realize the consequences of their actions and they are blinded by their expected potential income in short term but later shocked due to markets opposite direction and didn't recover as they expected.

Most of the time, a predicted bull run is really a wishful thinking. People are just too eager for their Bitcoin value to increase rapidly. They want to make money as quick as possible. But in all fairness, there are also times when the bull run which is anticipated or happening is something that has a sound fundamentals basis. Bitcoin halving for example is one reason for that. Or a large country opening its doors for crypto payments. These are reasons that might cause a bull run. 

We can't blame people for investing a huge amount and for expecting for the bull market because it already happened before. Most crypto lovers are actually positively expecting for the best market situation by the end of the year. Bitcoin history could repeat itself so no matter how many negative speculations may appear, investors and whales would still expect for the bull run and we can't say that it's just wishful thinking and that it's impossible to happen because Bitcoin has proven us a lot.

it's true that cryptocurrency is very difficult to predict but you can still know a bit about where the price is going because cryptocurrency prices will have price movements up and down so when prices have fallen very deep surely prices will bounce back and can recover again just need support from traders then everything can happen.

We have to wait for a big news that would likely to create a hype.
Whales are smart, they would not invest to move the price if they will enjoy enjoy a good profit in just a short period of time.

That's what we are looking for, we can't just rely to the people as whales until now are still in control of the market.
In short, without them moving the price, we will not see a bull run or we might see but it will take time.

bull run in "altcoin" market is wishful thinking because it has never happened in the past 10 years to want to start now. the reality is that we only have pumping times which people mistake with a bull run and lose money because of that wishful and wrong thinking.

OP is correct, whales and investors will put their money into shitcoins but they won't do it in most of the existing coins. it is always in the newer coins and only those that they can pump and more importantly it will be fo a short time during their pumps not later when it was over!

we all hope that mass adoption will come, but I do not believe in it as well. There were so much signals during the past several years, but none of them has worked. We are still falling and nobody knows when it is going to end.

Big investors also see the momentum to get big profits from altcoin, although in the end they will leave and return to btc. At least every moment that occurs does not make prices go down brutally.

Prices will still be supported by traders who are loyal to the coin, even though the price wave is gradually decreasing. That's where whales will think again to be involved or not at all. Market logic still refers to the logic of earnings, this is not just wishful thinking.

Yes, we will wait for Halving's moment later, if after Halving nothing happens, the price of Crypto is still what it is today, then maybe Bullrun is a wishful thinking. I believe Bullrun will occur a year after Halving Bitcoin happened, it means it will happen in 2021.

There's no certain point in that particular information, we will see things after the halving if there's  any big impact or it won't do anything to the current value and everything is just  a  wishful thinking that won't make any difference from the whole economy of crypto currency.

2017 bull run is what everyone's wanted to witness again, and with expectations, there's a big chance that it will lift and make a pumped just hold and wait.

Bull run is real but the problem is we don't know when it will come.
The fact that people are holding and they even invented the word "HODL", this means they believe a bull run will come at the right time and they will not expect it to happen if it did not happen int he past.

The history will repeat itself, that's what I believe so I am also holding until now, I go with the whales as they have the power to dictate the market.

Actually, all of us are now wishing for another bull run but it seems it might not happen at the end of this year 2019. So, just expect that the bull run comes up after the bitcoin halving and I guess it's around the year 2021. I know some of are always talk about the bull run but still, we do not know when it will happen and but just be prepared if ever there will be a bull run so you will also earn a big profit.

Absolutely the case. The more money people throw around, the more careful they should be with it right? But here's why some crypto whales aren't necessarily the most careful people on earth. One, they got a LOT of money, so a huge chunk of money doesn't mean anything to them. I've seen people gamble money on stocks just because it was extra change to them

Secondly, a lot of bitcoin people got rich from nothing. Imagine if you had 10k BTC and then suddenly it got very expensive and they had 100 million dollars. So what's a few million to them right?

believe me smart money and institutions know how to earn money from these markets
they control much bigger markets for centuries
you dont need to worry about them =]

the best way is just keep buying every month with amount you can afford to lose
and hold it until you have a good opportunity to sell and make some money

Investors are doing everything they can to make the market to go up and we are seeing this in the current growth of bitcoin but the rest of the market stayed more or less the same and since then the price has been going down.

But I doubt we will see a bull run on the final quarter of this year, the conditions are not there and despite the efforts to try to support cryptocurrencies the market is not ready to go up, and we know that if the market does not go up for some time it will eventually begin to go down as investors get their money out of the market.

I beg to disagree with your points. There will be a bull run in the final quarter of this year because there are conditions for it. And not just the existence of such conditions but also the absence of negative air around Bitcoin and the crypto market. Just recently, china has released a very friendly statement that would contribute a lot of confidence for crypto. Another would be the upcoming halving. That is also a huge contributing factor. Bakkt is also gaining momentum. All these factors are creating the bull run condition.

Market is very unpredictable and we don't know when the market will keep going up or down that is why we need to accumulate more token/coins and be ready when to buy or sell also the more altcoins you have the more potential you will gain more bitcoin and it will just depend on how much of amount you have.

And i know the market will rise up in no time and maybe it will happen before the end of this year or after the halving by next year.

Investors always played the key roles in terms of crypto investment. With their support money the market can go up and maintain the strong positions while if they've get bored and begin to sell and withdraw their support the position will surely be dumped in a short period of time. The more investors to keep holding the better the value will stay.

The current bounced can't be declare the bull waking up but can be treated that investors are working, to keep a strong foundations building
another bull.

it's not about buying and selling guys. how they have learned crypto, chose the best coins and put their funds for investment. and of course already understand the risks. Bull run is not only due to the end of the year or the beginning of the year. but about the future of a project for the whole world. because blockchain is the financial future of the world. when good news is on crypto. it will make bullrun. and also the opposite. in addition, bullrun is also determined from chart patterns as a mutual agreement to increase / decrease the price of a coin. so all can be anticipated.

Signal are just based on personal observation. Traders use charts and graph to determine or expect a rise while some people uses news/updates on whats going on with crypto. Wishful thinking is just speculation and many are speculating that this is a bullrun.

Technical analysis from chart and graph would not work if we not aware with fundamental analysis like the source from news or other source. Just like yesterday, bitcoin pumps after the news of china's president Xi announce that they want to develop blockchain. For me, technical analysis only worth for doing scalping at day trading with alts

I don't think about altcoins so much anymore. I believe they just follow the trend of bitcoin dominance. If bitcoin is up, they will follow, but they will be behind.

For bitcoin bull run signals, I'd suggest going to TradingView and reading technical analysis from experts. The bull run is more than wishful thinking, it's due time the true value of crypto is realised. Just hold and be patient.

There are traders who dont read on updates. Ive seen them rely in purely on chart reading, they use past chart to predict the future. I guess thats how they make money.

Most well established coins won't have news all the time. When was the last time anything cool came out for Ethereum? Sure, there's an update coming that adds a lot of new features, but that's something that has been talked about for a while now. You're really not going to get updates every month with anything meaningful from the more well established coins that have been around a while.

Its not only a wishful think! We need to be optimistic, to think positive about crypto future, and we have a good reasons for that. Crypto is around for years, market will grow cause more people are joining, companies, mass adoption started, but for now with small steps. When this train gain some speed we will see another bull run, what more I`m sure that we will see many more bull runs.
Don`t get to confused about everything, just take a look on supply and demand. While supply will go down, demand will rise, that will lead to higher prices. Of course nothing happens over night, so that bull runs I`m talk about will happen in next 10 years, when exactly nobody knows.

bull run can occur when the demand at the exchange place increases so you have to be able to wait for the bull run to occur because there must be a very high demand to be able to do a bull run so it's better now you can buy coins first because the coin price is still cheap, so You can take advantage of the cheap price of coins before the bull run occurs and many coins will become expensive.

Surprise that a Hero member is asking this kind of question. Whales are real and they move market and you need to know that market moves in phases not straight line, it just depends on you to decide if the bull run has started or not because the bull market is inevitable, it is coming, are you pepared

wishful thinking is if you just expect big profits without doing anything, you have been here for a long time at least 4 years but you still don't believe in bull run?
very strange when you ask bull run is something that is impossible, i'm just curious about you all this time, whether you pay attention to the market or you just stay quiet without knowing the market is bullish or bearish. the crypto market continues to move up and down and therefore there will be a period of time for the bull run market and that is not about an empty wish, because the bull run is real

I don't think we will ever get a repeat of the end of 2017 as that was sheer stupidty really.

Hinestly bullrun is the most awaiting moment of the whole crypto currency community ethusiasm, in the positive thinking side ofcourse hoping before end of this as early as well bullrun comes. Hope this sign is not trap for the expecting bullrun of the crypto community.

well mister , listen.
I guess you are wrong in understanding my point,
i mean
bull run / bearish or whatever you call it, it's not something that comes automatically,there must be something behind it,most people consider it like miracles, without any basis,and I want to clarify it.

well,, maybe a significant movements on crypto market, create new happiness and new hope to all crypto believer
i think this is only the beginning because the real bull will not come in this year my friend
just my opinion
regards

bull run and bearish are totally different, man.

of course it needs clear reason. IMO the reason is adoption, new tech, regulation progress, those can trigger people to FOMO
that FOMO makes market going crazy, they buy even without any clear reason lol

Only noob and stupid people will do such investing without thinking?how can you afford to risk your money with this action?no it’s inconsiderate .
How come you reached that Hero ranked but having this mentality?you have been here for years now and yet that’s what run in your mind?why not find Job in real life and just forget being here in crypto market?

If we're talking about whales or big investors, It's kinda impossible that they were just investing their money with a blind eyes.
I believe a lot of us, might be everyone, are hoping for a history to repeat itself just like 2017.
It might be a wishful thinking, but it's not wrong to hope for a bull run, no?
At least, just don't take every signals from individual person 100%, take consideration from every aspects.
Remember, use your own research about the market doing and the altcoins.

I think the pumping is due to the Chinese people wanting to celebrate the government officially supporting cryptocurrency.
a developed country backed by the government, its businesses will soon strengthen and capitalization will certainly increase even more.
so we should be confident bull run by the end of this year. Sharks in China have a lot of money. ;)

No matter if the pump is because of the Chinese people or not, I still say thank you because I can sell some of my bitcoin at the highest price now, and I still waiting for the next highest of bitcoin price. I think people are confident to wait for another bull run that will come to bitcoin, and it will happen with altcoin too.

Now, the market is trying to reach a high price after yesterday, and I hope that we will see $10k soon in the next month, so our chance to see the bull run will come in this year will wide open. People will invest in the crypto market after they learn many things, and they don't invest if they don't know anything. The investor now becomes smart, and they can search for more information from many websites. I don't know what kind of bull run signal, and I don't think other people will know too because we will know if the bull run comes when we see the price can start the rally and increase the rate so high.

I think were in a bullish market right now since the price of bitcoin pumps up from $7K to $9.5k and that's only for bitcoin what if the price go up higher then altcoins will surely follow up. Maybe we can see the price could go hit between the range 16k - 18k.

That's why better to buy more bitcoin and wait until it goes down a little then wait until it rise or do a daytrade but bteer long term hodling.

I think the reason is because of Xi's speech with regards to endorsement of Blockchain technology. However, I cannot tell if this is a bull run already, this could be the starting point and as we can see the chart showing a good flow. Hence, probably next year will see the Bitcoin having a huge price.

Bullrun does not mean bull runs at CMC, of course. If you look at it, we are the one who determines, decreases, raises the price, but price never satisfies us. Technical and fundamental analysis is also something we invented from ourselves. They are just something psychologies accepts together, if you do not think like everyone else, you lose.

my wishful thinking is a possible bull run few months before the halving on 2020
I could say that everybody has the same wish :)

Bull markets are usually filled with wishful thinking, and I think hope is what drives many rallies and other price increases in crypto.  There's nothing else except news and rumor that can make the value of any given coin increase.  It's the same thing as the reverse, where fear causes traders to sell and therefore drive the prices down.

Yeah, but I'll take it now if it's offered (lol).  And we did see a nice little bull...whatever in the past 2 days.  It was more of a quick jump than a sustained bull run, so I don't know how to accurately describe it.  But yes, I do hope the halving produces gains like it did with the last one.

Yes, they do, but sooner or later, altcoins will have more weight on the cryptocurrency market again. I believe that Ethereum can become a new leader. It will not happen in the nearest 5 years, but ETH is so strong that it has this potential for its best future. Bitcoin will be popular for a long time, but due to the fact that it will be no more a hype currency, its volatility can decline.

I think we should recondition our mindset from what it used to be. Cryptocurrency may not witness that sort of bullrun we witnessed in 2017 because the industry has grown two years older. People now know about crypto and I don't expect massive influx anymore. So to me, I think bullrun is a wishful thinking at the moment till real life applications emerge

If we think of a bull run this year, its less likely to happen, a big pump that we witnessed this month is not actually a bull run yet because again it did not stay over $10K and it did not break its high this year so far. We can expect a bull run but we can't predict when it will happen due to this market is very unpredictable, one reason that would prove that is the massive pump this month that we haven't witness for many years already.

well i really believe that there will be a bull run, its just a question of When not a question of If
markets usually behave against what majority of people expect, and unfortunatelly there are many people that expect for a bull run.. thats why it may take few more years and after a lot of FUD - so many people give up and only the ones with the most patience stay.

Mass selling usually occurs if it bull run came to happened in the market. Bull run I don't know any of the hint of when it will come though it is hard to say that every end of the year it might happen just like 2017 did because way back in 2018 it didn't come through like what did happened in 2017. But it could possibly even in the first quarter of the year. Well for those big investors or traders I don't think that they worry about the money they invest or they sell even in bear market specially if it wasn't too big to be worried about.

There will be another bull market. No question about it. The problem is when? Many say it will be happen before the Bitcoin halving or right after the halving. But the best indicator of a possible bull market is continuing innovation of blockchain technology and it doesn't matter where it comes from. 

yep because there's a lot of types of whales  and aside of good whales which the real intention is to make improvements in the market.  there are some bad as well , and indeed they are big problem here in crypto world  .and for me the most annoying investors because of their greediness  . They are the real reason why market growth always back flip after the bump!  They are very selfish because they don't gives an opportunity for some investors who really need money.   

Are you sure that there are whales that concerns about the market aside from profiting?lol there is no such thing because all of them are here just to make money and what will happen in market i their concern because they still want to bag more money
Never trust their intentions because they don’t have other but to gain and mostly trapping small investors to take their money also and we knew that for long
So stop fooling yourself and let’s just go looking for another coins they want to pump for us to gain as well

big players, whales already has a strategy to get a lot of money from a panic trader, because the whale will play dump and pump very well. When they pump and FOMO will happen, this is what the whales are waiting for, taking as much profit as possible. As small players we can only get a small residual profit from whales. Whales will exit the market when the game is over.

This market is formed from wishful thinking. when many people feel strongly about an improving market it can also lead to positive market sentiment. the influence on purchasing power can also increase even though the percentage is very small. but just believe, that in this market many people trade and invest in crypto have the hope of seeing bull happening in the future. it's only a matter of time and patience, and everyone who has it kana parties when the bull greets them.

ahahaha, that funny fact .
as far i know , whales, just a selfish people.but,basically we also have the same nature , itsn't ?
as long we don't get anything loss from every side on market.


oh really ?
as far i try to understand , the market is formed because of the sale and purchase transactions that are absolute , wich means , as long they get what they want, both for investement or for another reason,and that is real, not because of wishful thinking.

this is inversely proportional, it seems .
sentiment about market can lead people to take a action , both negative or positive sentiment.

Actions of the  whales will indeed affect for bitcoin price so that it impacts for altcoin price. After the whales throw away their bitcoins, dump is inevitable, what we need to be aware of is when they enter and leave. Because this is an opportunity for traders or small investors.
Bullrun signals might be detected when whales arrive or maybe when there is good news about support for crypto, but this is only prediction, precisely the market that determines.

   Bull run / wishful think ?

   We can hope! Nobody can stop us from hopping! Will it happen or not, time will show. Each side have argument, valid or
not depends from perspective, but sides are holding to them! I decided to trust in my judgment, I saw what both sides have
to say, my decision is final, bull run is coming!
   Now people can talk whatever, I made my decision, for better or for worse, I`m here. It will take some time, that will test
our patience, like always the strongest will survive.
   Let others do the talking, read what everyone has to say and make your own decision!

In the long run, you'll learn how to keep yourself detached from all these talks of bull runs and FUDs that affect the market. It's always your own decision that matters and as long as you know what you're doing. There hasn't been a major bull run since the 2017 run but that doesn't mean it can't happen again. Bitcoin has seen a big increase ever since dropping to sub 4k. It's not impossible to make a big run, but as always, trust your own research and not others'.

   I`m detached, but I feel a need to be informed about crypto-market, and I like to read what others have to say. Some people are spreading lies and
FUD, and looks like we can`t run away from that, I feel sorry for the people who fall on that!
   I believe that new big increase will happen in upcoming years, next one, or the one after it`s not so important for me. I made my decision as I sad and I`m in it until the end, whatever that end is, moon or bottom. Arguments are on our side, we have more chances for the moon than for bottom!

Activities of people is what will determine if there will be bull run or not, because what bull run needs is influx of money into the market cap and without  that, there is not going to be any magic bull. We need to do more to be able to invite and attract people to cryptocurrency, so that the adoption rate can increase and once those people understand the main usage of bitcoin, they will surely be creating demand that will make the price value of bitcoin to rise.  

Bull run is actually not a wishful thinking, but it all still depends on what we do for us to be able to have it here again. If there are no whales or financial institutions to put money in bitcoin for several reason, will there be any time that we will see this surge, so that is what I am saying, we need to be suing bitcoin for us to see any surge.

There are always reasons for cryptocurrencies to fall: Chinese New Year's, exchange hacking, expert statements or something else. And you don't need anything to grow, everything happens in one night. And the news is already being written for this bullrun.

People are exaggerating the news or hyping it, that's why the market moves significantly.

There's a pump and dump due to FOMO and FUD, it has been normal in the crypto space and we should know its happening so we can do the right action.
It's a battle of strategy here, you have to be smart and clever to survive.

it could be a bull run or just a wishful thinking, we don't know as we all are just speculating based on our analysis.

I remember few years ago when we're heading to Chinese New Year, there's always an impact to the market but these days I don't find that there's a correlation anymore to it. But let's see what will be the impact of it since Xi Jinping has expressed their attention to blockchain.

The news are no longer working today. Before it's a yes but it seems that everyone is no longer buying with any news out there. With negative news, yes we can see an effect but with every positive news, the effect would always be minimal.

End of the year means


1. Companies and individuals have to pay taxes in fiat

2. Companies and individuals have to buy gifts (New year Christmas e.t.c..)

3. Companies and individuals have to sell BTC for fiat

4. BTC price will go down

5. Buy some BTC at the end of December.

if we look at crypto falling history, those are so damn true lol. the reasons are almost same :D

little bit many player in this cryptocurrency will understand about this, they would learn from their mistakes

im still learning how market works too.

in my opininons, this is just a wishful thinking. we arent in bull altcoins, it would be down again. there is flash news about bitmex hacking too lol

it's still not enough to trigger bullrun. we saw last year, and there isn't even a rise at the moment. but despite all that, I still believe there will be bullrun. but it was not triggered by the end of the year, but by halving bitcoin which will soon begin. halving bitcoin never disappoints, and that's why I'm sure when halving there will be many who buy especially people will buy bitcoin.

If you are really worried about the whales manipulating the market make sure you play safe by going in for the long hold and if that happens no manipulation can affect your profits, there might be manipulation in the market as it is a billion dollar market and you can see these kind of manipulation in every market but if you are caught manipulating then you will be fined in the regulated market and that does not happen in this market and hence you should expect those while investing.

i guess , market works is really simple , when some statement come , the affect of it will creating like suggestion to people/even whales to do a action.
or
when some events come , its like suggestion too , i mean events like halving of btc or like upgrade on blockchain , or hashrate suddenly down , all of it create a impact to the market.

Having a wishful thinking doesn't come from no where it came from something let say in crypto - news, evidences, graphs, predictions etc. So meaning to say there is something that shows and can be seen as to why WISHFUL THINKING of bull run is happening on people honestly including me.

We will have to wait to see who was right but personally I do not care about being right, I care about making profits out of my investments, if I am wrong most of the time but I can still get profits I do not have any problem with that.

If you turn out to be right and I am wrong I will have no problem changing my posture and I will become bullish the instant my system tells me there are strong signs of a bull market and this is something not everyone can do since I saw many people that were bullish during 2018 when there were no reasons to be bullish.

Wishful thinking is just like the same as having a prediction or speculation based on the recent news and updates of the market. I could say it is wishful since the halving day is almost coming and we only have two months left before the 2020 and we will surely see new ATH in just a few months.

of course that not.
wishful thinking is no more than stupid hope with leaving a fact,analysis and tend to focus on stupid desire.
wishful thinking is think without logical reason inside,its totaly same like fairy tale for me.
when someone buy a coins/tokens they may think it will become high pump after they buy it , it called wishful think.

The market runs in cycles and sooner or later another green trend will show up. But I hardly believe that altcoins will go so wild as they were back in 2017. BTC dominance is too high and investors are giving up on alts.

make sense, it looks like simple if we use long term view as you said, but in the short term doesnt
there are many good news in crypto, those are such as statement. next halving is near too about half year again, this is event.
those two thing can trigger bitcoin price to increase, the bull run would come but not in the near future. still need time, mate

whales and big investors wont put their money wihtout thinking first -.-
thats a silly question
big investors usually know what they do

no one knows what will happen but if u keep investing a little amount every month and holding u wont be wrong.
thats how this things work for centuries
crypto market is not different than any other market that this world saw