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vlom asked me money to remove a scam accusations this is the evidence https://imgur.com/a/h157fo7

LOL what is going on today? Looks like members are into making money from feedback system :-P

It's really hard to believe however screenshot is not enough. You need to report these messages to one of the mod so that they can verify and you can also give the credential of your account to any DT to check in your account for you.

By the way, move it to the reputation section.

Edit: Just downloaded the images and saved a copy in here: https://imgur.com/a/Sk5lowp
And this is the image where we see the request.
https://i.imgur.com/1WhkRo2.png

Please report the PMs - particularly where he asks for money specifically to remove feedback - to one of the admins. Hopefully they can verify this.

This. Without verification from an admin the screenshot is useless. PMs can easily be manipulated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917456.3420 thanks for your feedback he already admitted publicly on my nvo thread
and if you can review this scam it will be amazing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194276.new#new

I don't know man, but senior members really need to do shit like this--and I agree with your second statement that the screenshot isn't sufficient proof of anything.  Still, I've got a bad feeling about this and that other thread.

I've gotten plenty of PMs from members I've negged asking me how much it would take for me to remove feedback, so I know other members have probably gotten similar offers.  While it might be tempting to some, it's a stupid-ass thing to do 1) morally, and 2) because you get things like this thread, where apparently after the request was made the other member blows the whistle.  Ethics aside, if you care one whit about your reputation on this forum you'd be crazy to try to extort someone via PM.

I'd be interested to hear what vlom has to say.  Has anyone PM'ed him about this?

No need to PM, check the NVO thread:


Considering that vlom is (was) the only DT member with a neg trust on nemgun, this "somebody" excuse doesn't fly.

i asked cyrus to verify my pm hopefully i never get a private discussions with a beautiful girl in btct lol

Agree with you and giving him PM is just a waste of time after seeing this kinda reply. His thinking about trust rating is a clear sign of his aggressive behavior and now i believe he can easily remove his feedback for any amount of money. Isn't it new way of blackmailing by using DT power? All these days we have seen merit trade and account trade but today got another one "feedback trade".

Maybe providing the whole conversation as well as a mod verifying the messages will be enough to get to the whole story for the rest of the members to know what really happened, because from what I see it looks like you are having a negotiation with vlom on what price you have to pay in order for him to remove the negative feedback. Why are you even taking this negative feedback seriously? vlom isn't a DT member so his tag is counted as a untrusted feedback towards you, this won't really damage your reputation. In my opinion on matters like this you are just making the whole situation big and  you are just letting everyone know you have a negative feedback from him which I'm not even aware of in the first place.

totally agreed with you when i come back to btct and isaw this new dt members i was a little bit worried we lost team ognasty vs team blazed to get some dt without experience in the forum if you take a look of the scam investigation he post he even doesn't t know about he s dt rank

hello everybody.
yes is sent these messages.

two things you have to know:

#1: I did not invest 5 BTC in this ICO.
#2: I just wanted to check what the NVO-scammer will do.


I dont care if you believe or not. I decided to do it because OP is a scammer.

Paint me in red if you want. i dont care because i never did a deal here and dont wear a paid signature.

EDIT:
That this topic here exists shows me that I did the right thing. Now more people know that you should not deal with nemgun again.
ANN of OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189564.msg52632437#msg52632437

ok vlom you amaze me everyday if you don t care about red flag just because you won’t earn money from btct if you are a member of the community and you respect other member you have to care about ethics it s the most important if decided to continue the nvo project after the disaster it s all about ethics because people loosed a lot
and ok you decided to post a scam accusations because i provided an exchange as i promise and as i show you i have all the legal part to be able to provide an exchange services https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/505974?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D250953#teenuse_pakkumise_kohad_ja_teenuse_pakkumise_eest_vastutavad_isikud

i care about "ethics" thats why i care about what you have done and will do in the future.
you dont tell the truth and you know it.

thats all i have to say to you and i wont repeat it again - as i did before. bye bye

edit: one last thing.
Minexpay (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.0) had something like this (https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/505974?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D250953#teenuse_pakkumise_kohad_ja_teenuse_pakkumise_eest_vastutavad_isikud) too.

So you're genuinely arguing that you did the right thing by trying to extort someone to pay you money in return for removing negative feedback on them? Irrelevant of whether they're untrustworthy or not, that just shows that you have weak morals and your trust ratings are completely compromised. You'll definitely be getting negated on my trust list.

man as i know i was one of the co founder of nvo when ton decided to break our agreements just to keep the rest of the money i pushed for the refund ton decided to suggest a partial refund he stole the client and claim that he can build a dex today he is saying he cant because of pos eth it s not secure it s look like rat4 from is stupid when he build this amazing solution with blackcoin
and i suggested the full refund even if i wasted my own fund but the good think to do it s the full refund for my perception we make a vote i loose the vote the escrow lauda balzed minerjones coinpayments submitted the partial refund and for my side i was not convinced and i decided to continue and process an airdrop when i will resolve the problems of the company and the rest where you see me i am a scammer in this history take some evidence ton hired a dev and he also asked me to agreed with a partial refund https://imgur.com/a/oUpZl3y
and for your example i already opened a scam accustion with evidence contract and many think https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194276.new#new
and just take a look of my account i am older than you in bitcointalk how you can think i will pay for a neg trust i don t know how much i am stupid for you and how much you are smart from your side i can understand if people doesn’t like me because i am arrogant some time but i always do my job and my promises

i would have reported nemgun if he had paid me something. believe me or not.
thats all I can say.

vlom was in DT2 at the start of this thread.

for my side i forgive you it will be a good lesson for you don t insulte people when they talk with you and don t use your power to put people in bad situations ,even if it s true what you are saying about reported me if i gave 2 btc it s not the good way to do it scammers never cars about reputation i never see a scammers care about his reputation just because people lose money in nvo i am fighting everyday to improve my self and deliver my promises

First you asked them 5btc then you asked them 2.5btc then you asked them how much they want to pay you for -ve removal. Trying to prove that OP is a scammer but you showed yourself as a criminal to everyone else, good job.
May I ask you why?


So what makes difference between you two then? You are basically saying that you don't approve nemgun's action but you would have done the same thing.

A piece of advice for everyone is that they can make money by this extortion activity one time only and that's it. All the reputation and status which they have gained over the years is ruined because the person can expose the PM anytime to anyone. Greediness is the only reason for this act or you can call it misuse of the authority.

Maybe we see more of these things (Real + Fake) in coming days in an attempt to destroy the reputation for revenge.

totally agreed with you it s hard to build a trust feedback it take a years and with this stupid think people can loose it in few minutes but i think vlom understand what he did it s bad

Is he still DT2? That kind of people should be removed from DT2 and banned !!!! Someone from DT1 list have him on his trust list, but I could not figure out who ?

 http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-16_Sat_05.38h/550439.html

You are looking at the trust list from months ago. You can see the timestamp in your URL: March 16th.

Find the most recent trust list by clicking the highest number in the "History" header on the page, which will take you to this link: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/550439.html

vlom was included by JollyGood, who is DT1, which would make him DT2 except that he also has 4 DT1 exclusions, giving him a net of -3 according at the time of that trust dump.

If you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt which updates live, he actually has a net of -4, and if you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt, you can see that JollyGood has removed his inclusion.

So no, he is not DT2.

Thats my thought, I want to believe the messages can be retrieved even when deleted. I dont think all cases should be dealt with a ban, there should be a way to prosecute without eliminating while monitoring such individuals, he can open a new account again with new victims.

Thank you for that info. I do not know if I shell tag him or not ? Because I have some doubts about screenshots. Why would a legendary and DT member do so obvious extortion attempt ? Any advise from DT members ?

Read the thread... his excuse was that he was testing what the alleged scammer would do when asked for a bribe.

I don't think this warrants neg trust but it's up to you. I just excluded him from my trust list.

That is not an excuse. That is B.S.

Here is my view on the issue.

Last week I noted that vlom has removed several users from his trust list including me. I decided that I would reciprocate so I removed him from trust for that reason alone. I also removed other people from my trust list purely because I added several of them long a go but sadly for one reason or another they did not add me to their trust list therefore vlom was not the only one I removed. Maybe in future things will change.

I read this thread and agree with suchmoon and I would like to expand on my reasons. I would not recommend or advise negative trust for vlom because of previous post history such as this in the Minexcoin scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.0

As for not adding vlom to a trust list or removing him from a trust list, that is down to how individual sees things. For example, I see a screenshot where only messages from vlom are displayed but none from nemgun are displayed except for one quoted. I am inclined to ask why the one who is accusing is not showing screenshots of his own posts.

Sure vlom has said he played along with somebody he calls a scammer just to see where the conversation would go and he stated that, he never denied it. On the contrary he explained why he took the course of action he did. From what I see vlom posted in more than one place about the nvo scam so members do not trust and do not believe somebody who was some part of a group that carried out a multi-million USD$ fraud: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917456.0 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189564.msg52680237#msg52680237

Regarding the screenshots, it has been alleged that during the course of a PM conversation which has not been fully published that nemgun (none other than a main protagonist in the nvo scam) exchanged messages with vlom (acting as an investor and victim of the nvo scam). There is no way to currently know who instigated which parts of the alleged conversation and who said what-to-who and what motives were or were not behind various parts of the conversation because the full text has (maybe very conveniently) not been released therefore opinions regarding the context cannot be genuinely concluded.

Now, for example if vlom or any victim was offered on a no-strings attached basis any BTC from the scammed/recovered nvo funds because he was victim of the scam or if vlom or any victim asked on a no-strings attached basis for any BTC which was capped to the equivalent of (or less than) his total losses in the nvo scam while clearly asking if any of the funds that were scammed still remained and if he could get refunded/reimbursed/compensated specifically from those nvo funds - then there is nothing wrong with that in itself.

So, hypothetically speaking.... If during the course of a PM conversation between a scammer and a victim of his scam, the victim asks to be refunded/reimbursed/compensated no more than the amount invested/scammed amount but the scammer says "No". Then, if for some inexplicable reason (or because the scammer incorrectly fears default DT1 negative trust from the victim will hurt his plans for returning back to this forum) the scammer asks the victim to remove the negative trust. The victim at that stage did the right thing and did not agree to remove correct negative trusts but sensing desperation in the messages sent by the scammer he decides to play game to test the scammers resolve.

Whether the scammer is offering a financial payment as a ruse to entrap the victim in the hope to start a thread such as this one with partial conversation screenshots in revenge for the victim leaving negative trust after being scammed or whether the victim demanded or asked to be refunded/reimbursed/compensated no more than the amount scammed in return for removing the negative trust because:

 a) he simply wanted his funds back because he was scammed and thought he should write and ask for them because the victim noted the scammer returned here intermittently (for example between 11th August 2018 and 6th February 2019 the scammer made zero posts in the forum and after 4 interim posts decided to return to this forum from 2nd October 2019 to proclaim innocence as far as the nvo scam was concerned). The victim finally had a chance to think of any way to get his funds back BUT may or may not have had any intention of removing the negative trust if he got paid what he was scammed out of.

 or

 b) finally after many months of not responding to him, the scammer finally starts a conversation in the forum with the victim because he wants to have his negative trust removed and the victim uses the opportunity to ask for the return of his investment. After being told there were no funds the victim believed the scammer is lying and has access to some of the scammed funds but he would not refund/reimburse/compensate him (no more than the amount he was scammed) therefore he lied and offered to remove the negative trust in return for payment or partial payment of those scammed funds because he wanted to see what the scammer would do. If the scammer did make a payment maybe the victim intended to immediately inform the community by starting a thread showing the blockchain proof along with screenshots what happened and would ask other victims to ask for their money too. If he did not make payment maybe it would re-enforce the view of the victim that the scammer is a low-life.

Thanks to the screenshots released which only show a fraction of a much longer conversation, nobody can be sure what really happened but what is clear to see is that the person releasing the screenshots has not released anything that might be deemed as negative to his own reputation so no surprises there.

Having said that, a brief look the way nemgun is posting, the large periods between posts during the time of the nvo scam, his absence when he should have stuck around helping and answering questions - does not bode well with me. Looking at his post history, the words uses and the style he implements especially when at least USD$4 million was invested in the ICO by innocent investors and other investors outside the ICO lost funds too. It does not surprise me that the URL "nvo.io" is dead. It also does not surprise me at all that the "veserus.com" domain is dead at Cloudflare too with the fault being at the host especially after reading through some of the posts by nemgun. Reading through his posts nemgun claimed he was CTO of the nvo project therefore was not responsible for the scam, others alleged other things. Add that along with the manner in which parts of the alleged conversation between vlom and nemgun have been posted raise questions about whether nemgun is as innocent as he claims to be.

So in a nutshell, looking at what both vlom and nemgun have contributed to this wonderful forum of ours over the time they have been members and looking at the allegations made against both of them I am absolutely in no doubt whatsoever that I would believe and support vlom over nemgun any day until or unless something concrete is presented. The positive feedback I left for vlom over 18 months ago on 28th March 2019 for the Minexcoin scam thread he started will stay as I see no reason to remove it and I will consider adding appropriate trust for nemgun in the near future. In this particular incident I completely believe vlom when he says he was testing to see if nemgun would disclose any information about the USD$ millions that were scammed so he could be exposed.

I request members put this issue behind them and do not judge vlom on the basis of what a user with the background of nemgun has stated and alleged and I request it for the reasons I mentioned above. Whatever may or may not have taken place between the two it goes back a long time well beyond the date/timestamp shown in the screenshot and there is not enough evidence to suggest it was extortion. On the contrary with the evidence available it seems like it was a well planned game by nemgun with the aim of starting this thread to get revenge on vlom who ended up being framed by a clever and shrewd instigator. Maybe time will tell.

One final note for all to consider, there is a scam accusation thread in which a prominent and highly respected Legendary member of the community is one of the victims. He claims to have had money scammed and it has been accepted by the scammer and the community the amount quoted is correct though the scammer claims no scam took place even though the victim was not given his money.

The highly respected and very well liked Legendary member who was a victim created a scam flag which was widely supported and still is even today. Here is the interesting part, the highly respected and very well liked Legendary member clearly stated in one of the posts in that thread something like "if the scammer was to hand over the funds the legendary member victim was owed, he would remove his support for the flag even though he was the one who actually created the flag". Nobody batted an eyelid when he wrote that.

Nobody accused the Legendary member of extortion, nobody made allegations against him, nobody removed him from their trust list and rightly so. I am sure if the highly respected and very well liked Legendary member did not make that post publicly and instead sent it in a PM and the scammer posted screenshots hoping to get other members to try to get the same reaction as what is happening in this thread - members would never have abandoned, questioned or attacked the highly respected and very well liked Legendary member because it was clear who contributed more to this forum and who has USD$ millions worth of scam allegations against him and who has never had scam allegations against him.

So at the very worst case scenario if vlom basically said "give me what you owe and I will remove the negative feedback" that is not extortion because that is the same as saying "if the scammer was to hand over the funds the legendary member victim was owed, he would remove his support for the flag even though he was the one who actually created the flag". The only difference is that vlom seems to have tried to help victims of the nvo scam even though he was not a victim himself.

I strongly disagree with "reciprocating" via trust inclusions/exclusions.

I am confused a little bit, because Vlom said that he never invested anything into that scam. So why he was asking for a non existent refund?

No he claims he did not invest and I mentioned in a part of the post "hypothetically speaking"

Well..although all that situation looks strange, I will remove my tag, because nobody except me tagged him. I hope that will be a good lesson for everyone who will try to play such games with scammers. Scammers must be exposed and tagged. No more conversations and games are necessary.

i did invest in NVO. but only 0.1 BTC.
And yes i tried - as i said - to trick negnum. but now i think that I did not play it good enough.

You better stop playing with scammers and just a short question. Is that deeponion avatar on your profile ?

deeponion? no.
it is a https://www.torproject.org onion. the Orbot App-Icon. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.torproject.android&hl=en_US

LOL for some reason I also thought that was deep-onion logo then checked with the tor logo and got the difference.

Deep-onion
https://i.ibb.co/JttW0Mx/52951053.png

By the way vlom, you really massed up man.

i posted the screen me and vlom ,vlom can do it also and for nvo i was the cto i was in charge of dev i t s not my fault if the ceo decided to stop the development to fork waves dex to get the 3 rd millstone with millions of dollars after looking the situations i decided to say full refund even if i used 70 btc for the development i said ok i will give back from my own fund ton the ceo got 600 btc and he spend it for him self  the escrow make a vote for a partial refund and the holders was okey they refund the people and for me it was not good i decided to continue the project with all my promises i removed the plan of maidsafe and built nvo and spendtrack for the echo system
for my opinion nvo it s not a scam and i love my project i spent a lot of time on it
and for the minexcoin i already open a scam accusation against the team with proof paper many think https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194276.new#new
this is the evidence and as i saw you open one against another exchage p2B something like that i think this exchange have the same owner of exmarkets but i am not sure
also i built veserus oü company and a centralized exchange as i promised 2 years ago we already have a social media for crypto this is the testnet www.spendtrack.com  
now if you think i am scammer give me evidence it s simple https://beawareof974655055.wordpress.com/ this article can help you
and vlom was not playing a game i gave him many evidence and proof with court paper to show him what i did after the refund of nvo and i asked him to keep it private than he was sure i won’t be able to post because he got private documents  he asked me to give him money
ps: soon i will send all the document i had and screenshots to cryptodevil i think he is the best person in this forum to make an investigation


edit please jolly i saw you gave me a red flag use this link as a reference this is my scam accusation from vlom and he did the same mistake of you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190554.msg52695559#msg52695559
because posting the thread of nvo doesn’t mean i am a scammer or nvo it s a full of scam people can read it and understand i am still working on it and giving a red flag just because your freind vlom have this thread it s very bad for your reputation also if you want to do it properly open a scam accusation i saw you can write a book with your post i think you will be able to explain all the reason why nvo it s a scam why i am a scammer for your opinion and i will be able to replay

This was the first and last time you sent me a PM.

I did not reply to you by PM, instead I made this post.

Do not send me any more PMs again. Say what you want to say here in the open forum and I will reply or choose to ignore as it is my prerogative.


https://i.postimg.cc/qvxbcxVy/ng1-Copy.png

wow i am so scared lol you will have to ask theymos and satoshi to remove the pm fonction from the forum if i sent you this pm it s just to ask you to open a scam accusation to be able to use it in my redflag as a reference people will not read 177 page to understand the redflag you post you are a sr member but you act like a newbie give me red flag just because vlom made a stupid think and he is maybe your friend i respect your emotional red flag
so i will use that to improve my self in this forum again and again if you open this scam i will be happy because i will be able to show how much you are wrong and i will win more trust and good feedback form the community don t forget i was able to win a dispute against all the maidsafe community me vs all the safe forum and the reason why i won it because i am smart and trustable and i hate scam let see what you can do against me ,for your side you are winning trust with friends relationships and for my side smart response make a good post with a lot of positive info
don t forget you are off topic since you start talking about nvo in this thread because you forget vlom asked me money to remove a feedback and this is not ok because he was a dt member  
i am ready even if i will have some redflag from your team but i am ok you and your team vs me ,at the end you will understand how this forum work

vlom, Jollygood, mosprognoz - all the same. Spammers and shitposters, they don't care about the rules. but you can't do anything with them as they are big friends of this forum administration.

Dude, you are a COMPLETE IDIOT.

I believe you are banned, and you said you were leaving the forum?

The Mod Log does not show his current user name as being banned, I just checked it but his original Vladdirescu87 account was banned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168925.0

How long can he troll and make a tiny nuisance of himself before he finally gives up or is permanently banned?

nemgun/Goodcat49 - I will reply since you PMed me.   I don't see him asking for money to remove trust as you claimed...

Hi vod, I've just seen your post, read the first page of the topic : you will find vlom asking me to remove trust against money... jooly untrested me because of vlom's friendship i think