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Who has had more success in this crypto market?
1. Traders
2. Investors
You you have any skills? From which you have made enough profit or How much amount you loss??
Welcome to share your skills.

I have a skill of keeping my nerves down without getting greedy. I am able to hold my bitcoins and few other altcoins even at the peak times of late 2017 and altcoin's peak time of early 2018. I was a trader before entering into crypto space and after analyzing the potential of bitcoins, I have turned as a investor and I just keep my bitcoins earned since 2013.

I must agree there could be lots of traders in crypto space must have been successful due to their skill set whereas I am happy with my holding as an investor. Compared to gamblers, I believe both traders and investors must be doing better job in this crypto space.

No special skill is needed for anyone to become rich in crypto space. Just keep investing into few highly reputed coins and keep them for years to find yourself as millionaire in 5 to 10 years. To save/keep all your cryptos intact, you must have another income stream for living. For example, participate in signature campaign and save all your rewards, that's all. Your earning may be from $30 to $60 per week but after 4/5 years it may look like $3000 to $6000 per week. Yes, 100x growth is likely to happen within next 5 years.

I made my first big buck in Feb 2017, at that time bitcoin was still very cheap and i invested just 500$, i was able to triple that in just few months and i never thought that a better bigger bullrun is around the corner, i did blame myself for removing the profit too quickly and at the same time no one saw it coming, glad i was still able to make something out of it though, its only of the reason i still stick around with crypto today as a big altcoin investor, even after bear market shrinked the hell out of every altcoins i am still holding tight

We can't really tell which one has more success though, just consider it 50/50.

Been trading here, but I still consider myself a newbie, lost a lot of money early in my journey in early 2017 but towards the end of, made significant amount as well. But I'm not telling numbers though,  ;D. And I'm sure no traders or investors are going to be comfortable sharing their success/loss in this crypto sphere.

Investors and Traders are equally profitable, some are successful or not,
Investors have a long future to hold, we know that there are risks to investors, so we have to be able to do what is best for you.
Traders, daily or fixed length traders must have good skills in trading analysis techniques and reading price charts must be able to because it can indicate where the direction will be good.
For profit or loss it is relative in each of its users.

The majority of investors are winning on this crypto market. They are major investors in top alts and bitcoins from 2014 and 2015. Most of them hold and believe in a brighter future.
By now they must be much richer than traders.
You should know that signals and knowledge about TA or PA are not always true, so traders have little profit compared to what they lose when they start trading.

Despite the fact that those who earned by holding Bitcoin has become millionaires instantly, but for now I can say that those who are doing day trade or has become experts in trading are the ones earning a lot.

Day trading is really a good thing, good chance to earn money instantly but still it takes a lot of effort,failure and investment, before we become experts, and once we become expert we can do money everyday.

I am not very good in trading so my experience are all flawed, but i just start investing in crypto and i don't have any good news to share for now, i belief that now that market price of all altcoins are so low like they will never recover is the best time to start investing so i am just taking my chances

I think my choice will fall to investors due to a sure profits because the crypto market is growing in 5 years interval. So, if the investors are invested 5 years ago they must be a rich person right now due to growth of cryptocurrency price is so crazy. While the traders are aiming for quick profits and sometimes cannot predict a huge bull run and sometimes also got trapped in a price crashed. Except he's a really good trader or a whale sho can control market price. I'm sure they are same success as the investors if the capital is high and can control the market.

Anyone who expects to make a profit here is an investor. The investment is not only money, but also the time spent by bounty hunters, also it is the energy consumed by miners. I think there are some impropriety.

I do not have a special talent, but I am essentially engaged in trade. And try to add money to my portfolio with bounty.

If you ask for this year, BTC itself was enough. This year the price increased by almost 4x.

In my opinion early investors had more success in the market compared to later entries because those who has invested before mid 2017 have enjoyed a great share of profit where those who have at the end of 2017 and the year 2018 are doomed as they are yet to reach the break even mark for their investment. Traders as usual it depends on their skills which makes them successful or not but I feel early investors gained more than traders.

I have really learnt a lot from your advice. You nailed it by advising us to have extra stream of income aside crypto. I've been doing that and it is really helping me. I'm not tempted to do panic selling because I've no intentions of selling any time soon since I've extra sources of income

The first time i entered into crypto invest i made few wrong choices like trying out trading without actually learning the strategy first, i even blindly went into crypto mining instead of investing the money on bitcoin, till date i have no good news to share about crypto but i do make few hundred bucks from airdrops

I'll answer the first question, the entity that benefited the most in cryptocurrenciy space are the investors. Though we can consider traders as investors as well, as they accumulate more volume of crypto. Investors are those who risk their assets, in return, bigger risk results into bigger income.

For the second questions, I am in e-commerece where I sell prepaid loads for cryptocurrency such as bitcoin and ethereum. Its all fully long distance that it doesn't require that much time for each transactions.

I don't expect anyone will be able to give a definitive answer to that. Both investors and traders make a profit in their own way, and can't really be compared in the same way two traders or two investors could be compared to one another. Sure, an investor can make a few thousand $ by holding a coin for a year. However, a capable trader will make the same amount, only in portions, instead of hodling.

it mainly depends on the person and how much experience they have in riding the market's ups and downs and when it comes to altcoins the knowledge of how to deal with manipulation pump and dumps.
but an altcoin trader has a huge advantage over an altcoin investors because an investor entails a long term holding of that altcoin and since altcoins have always performed poorly in long term they will always be in a loss while a trader who is only getting involved with altcoins for a short period of time has a much higher chance of making profit and getting out before it is too late.

I prefer day trading too as sometimes I was able to earn more than my salary. The way to earn in day trading is not to be greedy, to take chance of that alt increase and considers the news why those alt increases or decline in price. It may take our time but it's good a try especially if were able to trade. If prefer to invest only then make sure that alt have a working product or better hodl bitcoin if fine with waiting for another pump.

investors and traders are equally good in this market because of these factors that make this market come alive.
irrespective which is good between the two depends on the expertise of each, I personally prefer trading because it is faster to get results even though not as much as investors.

traders can be investors and investors can also become traders, so in my opinion they have the same benefits and risks, so to say which is more successful is not there, I have never experienced a large profit in the crypto market, but if asked for losses big, I've lost around thousands of dollars because of necessity, in fact we will never lose being a trader it's just a necessity that forces us to sell losses, the point is don't we ever enter the crypto market without experience and moreover we are just an unemployed person who doesn't have a permanent job

In the early time, Investors were more successful. because they were holding their cryptocurrency while traders were making a lot of trades and getting a small profit from the uptrend while investors were multiplying their investment. But right now they are changing their position, Traders are more successful because they have a chance to get profit while investors are likely to lose their investment because of heavy market.

I made a profit from my investment right now, not much but it is steady. I do not do the trade that much right now because I prefer to hold it for my future. The market is very unpredictable and it is very likely for me to lose my capital instead of gaining something from this market.

I guess it also boils down as to whether we are in a bear/bull market.

In a bull market, obviously investors has the upper hand if I'm not mistaken, because their investment will grow 10x or even 100x. Although traders can still earn, but the bulk will go to the investors, specially early bagholders around.

In a bearish market, traders will have the advantage specially if they know to short the market and they could easily squeeze to gain money even if it is bearish.

when compared to trading or investors I answer is investors, why? we know that crypto is very easy to go up to 5-10x if you choose bitcoin for investment, you just have to be patient to hold it, investors will get huge profits.

This is a difficult choice, for everyday situations, I think traders are more successful. because they move on the market every day, even every hour. so, when there is a green movement regardless of that percentage, they can already profit. and it will be repeated continuously until they get a lot of profit. while investors have to wait a long time, especially for a project. they are waiting for the project to finish and also launch, but the profits will also multiply if prices can go up many times but have to wait for time too.

You can't define success from both ends if the two categories are both successful in their own definition and acceptance. Success won't depend on your career whether you are a trader or an investor because both can be a way to become successful.

I've earned more by just holding. It doesn't have to go with a lot of skill but it's more about patience and your understanding to the market. And the potential loss that I have is during last year, when I did sold during ATH.

I think the ones who are successful are crypto traders, especially bitcoin traders. because bitcoin price movements are carried out by whales (which have a lot of bitcoin). I personally have a regular income from trading. and partly from the bounty. for a loss, maybe about 1/3 of a profit. ;D :D

Both are successful depending on the market they are investing on. I can't tell you the calculated risks of being an investor instead of a trader. But investors sure make good profit in some IEO,  while traders making good profits in some trading.  When there's profit there is also risks. My skills is holding more crypto assets I have and it has worked for me well. I don't earn much being a trader.

What sense of success? success get a lot of profit or those who can get through difficult times in crypto because of good financial management. I think the most financially successful are those who invest in bitcoin and do side jobs to fulfill their daily needs. He remained in the hold for years without touching the investment. He can do work in the real world or can become a bounty hunter. All depends on their interests.

IMO both depend on:
1 market sentiment, in bearish market it is absolutely traders win. bcz if you hold long time youll get big lose
2 skill, no matter the types you are, if your skill isnt good. it means nothing

i am a trader and not good enough to do. but i know stop loss that's i just get small lose in every trade

Both will be profitable if you'll have the skills to do it in the right market situation. You should know how to apply the basics and you must also have the patience. I'm not a perfect trader but I got the skills to apply at least the basic strategy which is to buy low and sell high. Investing is also profitable for me especially when I have chosen Btc last 2017.

I think trader is the one who will earn more profit. As a trader we need to know when to invest more and to stop. We need exact amount of knowledge before we enter in trading. For me having a 20%-25% income from my capital is enough to trade my coin because I believe that it is worth it to have a small profit because too much greed will drive you going to loss.

Both investors and traders make huge profits, but the fact is that traders constantly sit from morning to night and study various cryptocurrencies on which it is best to trade and it takes a lot of time and effort, but it is much easier for investors when IEO appeared, because you can even do not study the project and make investments in it if the project conducts IEO on such top exchanges like binance.

I/ve made a fair amount but I have also got very greedy the once and invested a whooping 0.27 btc and ended up with only 0.07 btc in the end. That was a bad investment I made on an exchange. The exchange is not bad I was just greedy. After all, no one forced me to invest.

I think most people think they traders and fool themselves into believing they are just because they dump some bounty or altcoins. You only a trader if you invest and wait and plan a strategy. I am not really a trader and I do not and will never consider is a means of making that is stable. Some things you can predict that have a higher chance of happening than not happening and then you can risk an amount on it. AS long as you win more then you lose.

As a legendary member you are the first one i see that gives a reality advice to investors and traders on this forum, many i have came across gives misleading information to people on here, no matter how long it takes, holders will still be the ones on top and highest gainers, i never invest a penny but i am ready to hold for years

That is a tough one. They have all had success. From the profit viewpoint, Investors of probably 7-10 years back might have had more profit than traders. But, in recent years, investors have not had as much profit, but good traders have made much. So, even with no statistics to back it up, I would say traders have more profit now.

I would always prefer to be an investor. There might not be much profit now, but in the future, it will be a different story.

It is all subject to change.

By investors you mean those who buy coins for very long term hold right, in my opinion investors in the past have made more gains. There are some pros who combine both trading and long term investment, those category of people should have more advantage. Take for example, I bought ICX when price was 2$ and when it's price moved up to 9$, I sold 70% of my holdings, then held remaining 30% for long term. That strategy usually works for me but in the case of ICX, I made huge gains only by trading it and not for long term investment (price dropped below 1$). Nowadays traders gain more, in the past investors made more gains comparatively.

Well both traders/investors have their own pros and cons
It is really up to people to find out which they are more suitable

In terms of profit
I would say Trader is definitely on edge than Investors
Investors focus more on value investing (Thus, it might be more towards long term since you are buying for future)
Well Trader mainly focus on Technical Analysis (Thus, it reacts fast in price and they can take profit and compound)

However over few years of trading
I would say i am more off an investor type player than a trader
I could still perform TA and trade, but investing does pays off alot in a long run

There is a fine line between traders and investors but I guess traders are earning more than investors, if you are referring to pure HODLers as the investors. I am thinking of the best traders out there, especially those whales who can seem to move the entire market into the direction that they want. HODLers are also earning big if they came earlier. My skills are very limited, not even worth sharing here. I trade sometimes but most of the time, I only HODL.

I am 100% sure that these are traders.

I mostly only participated in bounty programs, so I didn't lose any money.

I think it is rather difficult to judge this, because I play a role in both and have experienced losses and gains. When becoming a trader someone will become very greedy and it actually makes him lose in facing the market situation. And when you become an investor if you are lacking in research then your investment will disappear and be carried away by impostors. However, on the contrary. If you can control your emotions and act carefully and thoroughly it can reduce your failure to get maximum benefit.

both have the potential to succeed. that determines it all from you, funds, and depends on you process it. Investors can get rich quick, if your capital is more dominant enough. Traders can also get rich if their analysis is correct and the amount of capital they support. the conclusion is that both investors and traders alike have the potential to achieve more success, if done with the right analysis and sufficient funds so that you establish your profit target.

if I'm more inclined to investment, analysis, hoard, and release.

My principle is Buy low and Sell high. But it is not easy as just saying it. You should develop skills in reading market trends. Timing is very important in the crypto market. Selling and buying are the right time need skills. So you must first develop that skils in predicting the market price. Start trading low first until your confidence develops and slowly increase as you become aware of all the factors involved in trading.

This depends on whats the best strategy that suits each person. Im a trader and an investor as well but I cant really say which one is better or giving me more profit.

Investing is profitable but there's no specific time where you can take profit since it depends on the movement of the market. While a trader can take advantage the status of the market regardless if its bearish or bullish.  

A success in crypto market doesn't depend on what kind of work you're doing. Regardless if it's trading or investing, if you're good at what you're doing, you can be successful. Not all traders are successful, same goes for investors, if they don't really analyze well the performance of the market. It's the matter of your capability and persistence to be a successful trader or investor.

I think it is the trders who earned more profit in this market. Indeed, investors have earned that much especially when the market value of cryptos broke new barriers and have reached records of high market prices way back 2017, but if it's consistency we are talking bout, traders surely earned more even at this point wherein the market prices are down low.  I have tried trading before and the only problem that I encountered is in the aspect of making the right decisions during tough times in this industry.

Actually I have already tried to do trading and investing, because when I am newbie here in crypto I research a lot and try a lot including bounty hunting and mining.
For me the thing that I have earned a lot and good profit is when I start to invest in crypto and I start buying and holding coins to wait until the boom of the market like what it happens on the year 2017 in which the market becomes a skyrocket in which it almost reach $20,000 and that was also the time where I earned a good profit and that was the experience I cannot forgot at all.
While in trading I am actually bad at this field of crypto because it's very hard to study and hard to trade, it takes a years in order for us to learn how to become a successful trader.

In my opinion, traders are more successful in crypto market, although early investors of Bitcoin and altcoins like ETH, XRP, XLM, TRX have made massive gains already. Actually, I'm a very good trader with at least 70% success in my trading so far (there is no one who is 100% successful though). For trading I usually apply superb TA, stop loss, patience and also reduce greed. During altcoin season for instance, traders use to see up to 100x although right now it's almost impossible looking at the market condition. Now if you see 10x then thank your stars. Personally, 20 to 100% profit is OK for me, I'm not greedy.

Nowadays, it's so difficult to invest in which the market so bearish and not easy to predict the possible value of the kind of crypto currency you choose. I also experienced some losses that makes me learned and will able to correct my mistakes on the next chance of investing. Also, I keep some of crypto currency and I believe that soon it will increase tremendously.

Since am not good in trading my best option is to learn how to hodl, sometimes it is not very easy to establish the patient to hodl your bags for a long period of time, if you intend to succeed in this space, it is important to learn how to exercise patient, even if you are a trader, patient plays a vital role too, because day trading is not easy.

not on the list. its usually the ICO developer who had most of the success. just think about how much they only got when they created their team and website but after the ICO/IEO they can already dumped what they got and all they have are profit. investors may have earned some if they dumped as well but probably lost more if they hold and so are the traders.

Nope. There is much successful than ICO developers.
Whales I think, they can control market circulation if they want to.
They can easily make a profit and it is like money are the one who comes to their wallets.

To share my success here, I wanted to say success only happened in an unexpected time. The impression cannot be a fixed situation, that if you got the profit it wouldn't be for life, you should prepare on times of crucial days that you can't gain good profit. Both of the two characteristics of a trader or an investor, success can be achieved always but not consistent.
In my successful days during bullrun last two years ago, I only made enough profit from small trades which eventually grows bigger. That was from ICO tokens purchases which wen't so highly profitable that time. Also, I experienced losses at around $1000 when I failed to sell my other asset due to neglecting other holdings because I got a good buffer on finances. Unknowingly the market crashes badly, and it made my holdings value so cheap this time.

I don't see the point of these questions, why its so important to know what others are doing to be successful, why to spend time on yourself and finding what suits you instead asking what suits to others. Cause not everything suits everyone! Successful people started somehow, some had huge starting investment (inheritance, properties) and with some start, lot of risking, learning, hard work, sacrifice, they become successful. What that means for all of us? Well simple you need to find your start, to try things, and to find what suits you the most and to risk a lot, to sacrifice a lot and to hope that all that will payout to you.

I think traders become more successful than investors, but both must be seen from ability, capital, and profit calculation. but from my point of view traders are more profitable because profits can be obtained every day if they have the ability

Definitely that large investors, because they manage high capital, can take risks and make long-term bets, which is when in general the greatest benefits are obtained, the trader can also leave considerable profits if strong capital moves.

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I would stick with investing, because trading didn't worked well for me. I tried it a few times in 2017, and incurred heavy losses. Never had the courage to do it again. On the other hand, medium-term and long-term holding worked wonders for me. I purchased BTC when the price was around $900 per coin (if I am not wrong, the purchase was made on January 2017). And now I am sitting in top of 10x gains.

Now for me, the main income in cryptocurrency is medium-term trading and bounty campaigns. I also buy cryptocurrency every month from my salary. for me, this is the ideal accumulation strategy at the moment

Trade and investor both way more success in crypto because you can get profit depen with how increase price after you trade and invest, but if you less knowledge with trading better to invest your money with ICO and IEO coin, you can check which one IEO or ICO look interested with investor and have sold out coin.

Those people that had more success in crypto markets are those people that have the skills in attaining big profits on their trades. Even though you are an investor, you still have a score to settle. Same goes as a trader. By being an investor and got lucky by the coin you bought, you got a lot of bonus since you got a lot from their ICO/IEO. But if you're a wise investor and you set priorities in getting a better position in trading, that's also a great success.

It depend on the way because there are some way that the investor who have success from investing while from trading because some tokens got to rise sometimes by a times ten while from trading they trade so sometimes the token they have was not good as the investor.  But I believe that the trading was better because you can control it from losing too much.

Its a very tough question to answer. However, I am presently not investing in any projects to my expensive lesson which had it in the past. Almost all the projects in which I invested, it is in loss. Those projects were very popular during those days.

I have no special skills yet and my moves in the markets is still subject to being nullified by FA and other related news that affects cryptocurrency in general

You forgot to mention the bounty hunters, there are still bounty hunters who is making a good profit and there's no money involved here, just patient and a piece of knowledge on how to pick the right project, but between the two traders are making good profit although we can consider both as investors, because both are investing money, to invest or trade.

Investors are the real and recent days you can find the traders Also do the same on good project as a investors.
If you want to make the money please look for the good project and become a investors. If you are lucky and good in analytics you will win the big funds as returns with your investment.

Personally, I think that everyone is doing his job whether he is a trader or investor. All cryptography market users receive their rewards. Since all market participants have the opportunity to use this market and receive good income. Yes, it’s absolutely true for a beginner, the cryptocurrency market is very difficult and it’s very difficult to make a good profit, but with experience it is much easier to make a profit.

Truly speaking, being trader I encountered more losses than being an investor. The reason is that for being trader, you should be always upto date with latest news and trend i.e. you should have enough time to do so. Also you need more money so that if you gain losses, you can trade with another position.
And for investor, with small investment, I can hold for long term until I get desire profits.

You probably mean who is more successful from these optons: 1) traders or 2) holders right? Because both are investors. 1) are investors for the short term and second ones are investors for long term. Statistically holders are in much bigger profit, but it is because they bought their cryptocurrencies in the beginning, before year 2017.  8)

This has a pretty difficult answer. Basically, both of them have the same potential because it depends on the number of assets that you spend. I am pretty sure that currently the rich people out there are mostly investors. but, if we talk about these advantages in the short term, I might choose traders.

think carefully, successful investors have benefited every day, week, month, even yearly. it always happens continuously, especially if they are investors who have a popularity. while for traders, maybe today they can get a big profit, but we don't know in the future as tomorrow, next week, next month, or the next year. In this choice, I choose investors, but in reality, it all depends on the strategy and the number of funds used to invest, or trade.

Aha thank you for sharing one good point, yes many bounty hunter here making good profitable. bounty hunter other one point there take more money with good skills right choice real project. but bounty Hunter skills are different and their no need money but like trading and investment you need amount then you can makes profits.

for those who have the skills and want to continue to develop, I think it will not be difficult to find and survive as a bounty hunter. but those who don't want to develop and walk the way they are will disappear from the campaign. just see now choosing a good project is very difficult, if the bounty hunter does not have and update skills, we will miss a large potential project.

Since I don't know much about trading I would say investors have had the most success in the crypto space, I know hardcor traders do make lots of money but only when you have great level of trading knowledge,  investors on the other hand can be anyone,  it doesn't really requires any special kind of skills to be one, all that is required is capital and patience, I think investors have the upper hand here.

They are both successful the difference is that the time range they consumed on a way of getting such profit. Investors are way too long than the trader but the profit in there is like a one time big time while traders are somehow like that but they climb up little by little depending on what is the basis of trading. Well, in terms of the chance of being successful, investing are more riskier than trading because profit depends upon the result while trading depends on how the trader did his/her trading.

Traders have been more successful lately compare to investors especially due to the fact that many ICOs in the last year have failed or turned out as a scam. But right now, the rise of IEOs has given a chance for many investors to have salvation. Though IEO does not guarantee the success of the project, at least the coin is listed on the exchange so, it is more likely that you can minimize your losses. Trading is also difficult because you will not always know what the market will bring today.

As for me, at the moment I'm more successful as a trader. Daily trading allows me to make a profit that suits me perfectly. Of course, I have some altcoins in which I invested for the long term. But are we talking about present day? That's why my answer is trader.

For sure traders, because if you look at the market stats for the past several years, it was extremely hard to make money on investments. Only few big IEOs on major exchanges gave profit, but 95 percent of projects just failed.

Traders and investors can be described in the analogy of weather and climate. Trading is short-term and quick to change or adapt just like weather that can different every day. Meanwhile, investment is like climate, a long term prediction that can still change depending on other factors that is observed on the daily "weather" of the market. Both are profitable and which one is more profitable will depend on which coins are you trading and which projects are you investing. Both are also double edged blades that have risks and can fail.

I think that investors are most porfitable, why? because they are risking high with high amount so the profits are also highest.
They can earn with new projects a profits like x10 x20 ... when traders on that manipulating markets are always a little under or below the line.

Any of them can be successful and their success depend on how vast they are in what they do. A trader who does not know how to effectively traced might recorded more losses than gains. The same is also applicable to an investor, who does not know how to research good projects and analyze critically well before investing

it is depends on the market situation but for now I think the one who will benefited to this market condition are those full time traders because those investments by investors and kept sleeping until the bull wakes up, and it is much riskier putting some funds on coins that is why people wants to invest only on btc.

Not all traders are manipulating the market or always under it. How about those small traders that are also trying their best to get some profit through the volatility of the market.

There are day traders that already treated it as their job and they can also profit without boasting to the rest of the world. I think it's fair to say that any of them can really be successful in different ways.

Conditional, right?  that's why we have to be flexible, don't just focus on one area, but we must try and want to learn to take advantage of every opportunity.  being an investor and trader is equally beneficial if we are able to read the best opportunities.  As a bounty hunter, I often develop rewards by investing and trading.  One of the best opportunities as an investor today is joining IEO on trusted global exchanges.  While others more often end up drama, investors become donors.

I was an investor, trader and bounty hunter. As a result, I realized that it is best to provide various blockchain projects with their services. I started drawing stickers for various chats . Now I have come up with a lot of labels for projects and painted a lot of stickers for cryptocurrency projects in telegram channels. Most likely in the future I will return to trading as there are not enough strong emotions.

in my opinion both are because investors are also traders and of the two there must be a profitable and also will suffer losses because it is not possible both of them will run smoothly

Do not forget that both traders and investors can be in 1 person.I've invested in 2019 exclusively in the IEO.Earned on this not many but all same earned and not is gone in minus.On trading you can also make good money, but I do not think that I want to share this way here).

Investing and trading can be very profitable, but for most people I bet investing works better. I see many newbies complaining about their experience with trading and how they lost money doing this, so they don't go ahead and just invest.
Trading is not for everyone, it demands more time, experience and luck too, as it's a volatile market. Skills don't work at all here and are usually used as a bluff to bring more people into the trading activity, to satisfy the ego of the 'skilled trader' or to encourage people to invest on this 'skilled trader'.
The success in crypto currency, and crypto trading in special, depends on correct predictions and guesses.

When it comes to profit, the traders is the king and followed by investors. I vote for traders because they can easily profit if they know how to trade correctly or professionally and in just a short time their money grow bigger and bigger.

While investors will take some time before their investment to return a profit and sometimes if they got unlucky, all their investment will fade like a dust so investment has a high risk compare to trading if I am going to compare them.

The same both trader and investors can be successful in the crypto market. It is their way of how they can manage to earn during trading. These both can earn and benefit from crypto as long as you know how you can accomplish and face the risks when doing trading. There is always a volatility of price and expect that we might experience loss and can earn a profit.

Both can be successful in the crypto market. And each has its shortcomings and strengths.
Just as their traders need the science to read the graphs of the market where it will go up and down.
Conversely, their investors have large funds but are not very good at trading and growing their money on a long-term project.

Indeed, it depends on the person handling his own fund, if he knows what he is dealing with, he knows how to take risk and doing a research then for sure it will be beneficial for him. Whether you are an investor, trader both has been proven to be profitable, we just need to handle our money well, and how are you going to manage the profit that you have made, as if you made a lot of profit then you just bought things that you don't need much then it is useless for me.

I think longterm invest and short-term trade. Feed your main investments with your trade. Basically sell off the shit coin for better coins or some of the main currencies such as doge, Eth, LTC, Tron and the rest of those.
Shorter-term would be projects you believe in. Ultimately you want to increase your holdings in tokens or coins that you can spend.

So you split your investments into 3. Longterm investment in the main crypto, secondary investment in other crypto and then third is short term trading to feed the investments with the ultimate goal of increasing the coins from the first group.

At the moment I only trade, because to become an investor I need substantial capital and is not used for anything else. I trade only with a little capital and use the scalping method. Take profits quickly HIT and RUN. Every trade I take profits only about 1-5% of each trade and do continuously. For now holding a coin for too long is too risky.

I choose to trade, because investors are more at risk. I have made a good profit from projects that are hot or being discussed (among the new IEO, good airdrop and more) and have a high trading volume, like Klaytn recently.

Everything is volatile when it comes to cryptocurrency earnings and this includes the job needed to earn, if it was in a particular period of time, I would have said that ICO investors were the ones that earn the most, with some ICOs giving over 100x profit after it's listed in an exchange but that time is long gone but it might return again, same applies to trading, but presently, I think it's traders that are making more money that ICO investors because the ICO market is presently in a state of limbo.

No one knows for sure but their roles are actually the same, investors and traders have the opportunity to gain profits and losses so it makes no difference.

I was in both, profit and loss is greater when I trade. My skills might be an investor but for now I am not sure about investing.

investing can also be different. it will all depend on your portfolio strategy. if you invest 95 percent of your money in bad coins, then most likely for you better just trade

You are totally wrong with that and we can't sure if the traders or investors are king of profit making since they both make losses at some point and what justify the profit level of  trader Ir investor is their uniqueness and adequate knowledge they have about the market. However, a single person can be both (trader and investor) and both field require huge risk.
Back to OP questions, no one will ever tell you their real profit level or skills.

Those that invested wary into cryptocurrency are the ones that gain hugely from it avd and I don't this set of people have anything to regret about. Those who made huge money from cryptocurrency are those who have invested in it before 2017 but most of those that invested in 2018 made huge loss from cryptocurrency. Am a trader, so no matter how the market is I always get something tangible out of it.

As a trader I made some money but basically I am a bounty huner. As a bounter hunter I made good money in the late 2017 apart from this I learned trading but as a holder I am in huge loss due to my greed for more and more profit. Anyways bitter lesson learned. But at present its a good time to invest in altcoin as most of the altcoins are at their bottom price.

I think that traders would have had opportunity more than investors because of the number of fluctuations that we have seen since the inception, if the market was to continue growing the way it was in 2017.

I mean not seeing the market dump, I think that the investors would have made money far more than traders, but right now, trader has gotten lots of opportunities to buy at a dip price several times and then sell at a higher price when the price has pumped and sometimes, the market could dip so much that a trader will have the chance of buying so low and then at the same time be able to sell at a very higher price every time it recovers. I remember that there was a time the market fluctuated between $8k and $10k twice in a month giving me profit of $4k within a month per coin.

trading can indeed be done when the pump trend or trend like this, the most important they know how to determine which coins have the potential. the easy view is to buy at a low price and sell at a price that is quite profitable, but must understand the movement of the coin to do it

depends on personal expertise. an investor can be more successful if he can analyze the project well. and a trader can be more successful than an investor if he has trading skills. and which one are we personally? I think that exploring personal skills is more important, because everyone has their own views

I think traders are very suitable to my criteria, and traders are also more profitable for me than I am investing.
I lost a lot of investment, finally I better become a trader and bounty hunter until now.

in current market trends with a small pump that occurs several times on several assets, we use it in trading. of course to choose assets with high trading. not only see the growth in value that occurs but try to see whether trading also supports the coins that we will trade. because many are rising in value but trading in the market is still in a small volume. it will be difficult for a trade. or it could be just a market manipulation.

Traders who knows what they are doing tend to make much more profit than investors, take for example a trader has $100,000 to trade with and makes 1% profit on a daily basis from his daily trading, that means he makes $1000 and sometimes more on a good day and maybe slightly lesser in a bad day.

But for an investor, they might invest in a project and from the time of investment to the time it lists in an exchange, 2 months might have passed and sometimes they make just X2 of their capital, most times it's even lesser and sometimes they even lose, I would pick an experienced trader anytime.

I think trading with that much capital will not always be able to provide benefits if you cannot control the patience you have because you must know that no cryptocurrency trading can always guarantee profit, all cryptocurrency price movements are difficult to predict so that is what make many traders afraid of that much capital if you can generate profits.

Who is more successful depends on their capital and expertise in their fields. Traders or investors are actually the same and have the same goal of getting profits from the coins purchased. The only difference is in the way it is managed. Pure traders trade while investors invest at the beginning of the project and will get results after the project is released and successful.

For the skill I have is a bounty hunter, then I can become a trader and investor if I have capital from the bounty.

During the last couple of years I would say nobody, because investors lost a lot of money by trying their luck in different token sales and traders could have lost their money by taking false decisions or failing to use margin trading in the right way.

I think everyone has their own opinion. Meaning everyone has their own knowledge about everything. In terms of trading, everyone has their own knowledge too but it is not enough because trading is really hard, we cant predict the future, the idea is you dont know when that particular token you are holding are gonna rise up. We all know that cryptocurrency has its nature in terms of price and that is being volatile, meaning the value is changing time by time when there is a transaction happening all around the world. Transaction of crypto.

I earned my first money in crypto for participating in bounty campaigns, and after that I started trading. My first major amount I earned was a reward for participating in the Credits bounty campaign (~ $ 5,000).

a trader is more successful if he is a trader who is able to control his emotional psychology. Because now it's very easy to call himself a trader as long as he can click sell and buy in the market.
Investors are sometimes confused about where to decide which investments to make, whereas professional traders understand better what market conditions are.

I'm just a new trader who makes money for myself, with whatever capital I have.
2017 is a very profitable year for me because it is very easy to analyze almost all the altcoins in the market to be traded.

I think there are more successful traders than investors in the crypto market because they are able to gain profit even the market condition is bad while investors coins are stuck in their wallet and wait for the right time to sell which has no assurance whether it takes months or years. Another reason is that traders are knowledgeable compare to investors so they know what to do.

Traders and investors have had a significant amount of success in this market, this is not about choosing which is the best way to profit from the markets this is about what you can do to earn money from the markets, being an investor is easier since you only need to do most of your work at the beginning when you select the coin in which you want to invest, after that the only thing that you need to do is to keep holding and at some point sell for a profit, trading is a lot harder and it is a constant process but if you are good at it you can obtain more profits than investors.

My dear friend, this is a very good question, but there is no definite answer to it, since everything is constantly changing in this market, but in such a position as it is now, it’s better to go into short trades and be content with good profit, and when the market starts to grow, you just have to investors, it will be safer, because there will be nothing to fall, but on the contrary it will fly to the moon!

Both are equally good and we can make a profit from both. And I personally trade in small amounts and invest in bitcoin and some other coins, you could say 70% I invest in bitcoin and 30% in other coins. The most important thing for me is to not be too greedy and in a hurry in making decisions without considering a few things.

It seems to me from these two categories traders have more profit.As we see many investors only lose their money.But perhaps my statement is not true due to the fact that I make these conclusions looking at short-term investments. Perhaps for long-term holders will be the maximum benefit.

i ever trade little bit in past. and i ever invest in some ico too.
when you have skill in trading and investing, you can get much profit, and trade is the best profit, i mean it will give you a lot of profit than invest. with trading, you can make salary daily, but you cant do it in investing because it take long time to gain it.

Of course being an investor can make you more success than trader. Investor can get huge of profit just doing nothing and go on. In crypto we have many categories of investor, let assume if we are an inveestor on an exchange, there are lot of money we can get with fees of transaction.

I do investing as well as trading a bit. But I have more knowledge in the field of investments. Therefore, I received more profit in this direction.

in my opinion both are able to provide benefits because investors and traders both have the same goal that is looking for profit. but to get the benefits both must have expertise in their fields, if not then they will suffer a loss. investors and traders are 2 professions that have a connection in it. so they must really understand their profession well.and I am currently looking for profit through trading in various markets.

Yes it's true, we can't say which is more profitable because sometimes we can benefit from trading and also investing. And everything we do is certainly not always successful, runs smoothly and can produce benefits for us. Surely everyone has experienced failure with what they do and slowly becomes a learning and experience for them.

There is no way to tell which is more successful than the other and both trading and investing have their losses as well, you have to be very sure of your trading skills before you decide to give a try and a well known enemy called 'greed' will be standing next to you, for investing you need to be very careful too because of scam projects of nowadays, for safer choice invest on old coins

A skilled trader enjoys the market more than an investor. Past graphical history of cryptocurrency market will show you this. A trader has no emotions an investor does have because when in profit they don't take gains except their investment target is met a trader will ride all waves to stay profitable if a trader has been trading Btc since this year he's in profit more than an investment made this year alone.

I prefer to become a trader, which is not affected by trends that are happening, can still make money. besides that I'm the type of person who doesn't like to wait long to make money. even though I have to spend a lot of time and thought, but I enjoy it. maybe if the income until now can not be proud of, but always learn and believe that is my strength

Both are very risky and profitable but as for me, trading is more successful since if they see that they are having losses, they can decide whether to continue or to cut their losses, depends on their decision. Showing as how they can limit their loss and an option of maximizing their profit. While in investing, their investment won't be move or refunded whenever they want, whether it suceed or if not, all the investment will all be in there.

traders are more succesful because there are more succesful traders stories that i read and many people agree that trading is a good way to make money and there are many trading platforms available on the past and the latest is crypto trading but i dont have a skill on trading . i only have a few skill on investing ( crypto investing ) because i know if what coin is good and if what they can do  . im not good at timing but i have some patience on waiting  .

Investors are more into long term, of course. Traders varies in time. Because there are day trading, trend trading, and so on. First I believe that they are both the same however, the risk of having more loses or a same gain is in the end of an investors because their profit depends on what will be the result of the project. However, they may come on time big time in such end. While traders depend on how persevere the person and how knowledgeable on approaching the chart will vary the profit. But in time gap they may end the same.

I more often make a profit by becoming a day trader. since the beginning entered the world of crypto trading through trading has changed my finances. If asked how much the loss is difficult to calculate because it is certain that the loss occurred. but to be honest from the start to trade, I didn't use personal capital/deposit. but got free bitcoin and then I used it for trading where my capital grew so that I could make a profit. And every time I get profit, of course, I don't withdraw it but I develop it first and then I enjoy the results.

If both are professional, it will depends on what kind of investor is it. Because both trader and investor have own way to get profit. If must pick, i think will pick on trader because Investor itself still depends on what kind of investment that investor do. If ICO, maybe it will be very hard to be investor because we can see itself not much project that success, and it is better to make investment like buy stake in a corporate to make it safe. And trader if we can be profesional, that skills we can used to any condition of market so no worry what time, trader will keep do their strategies to make profit.

It depends on how he can make profit from trading and investing. You can make profit in investing altcoins if you are good researcher in the project. In trading if you know the strategy you could also earn profit of it.

I do not understand how you diversified them. The trader is the investor and the investor is the trader. The crypto investor also trades to make a profit (there are other ways, such as staking, but the trade is more preferable one).

I think good traders have more profit than investors in the cryptocurrency market. It is really difficult to get profit for investors on the downtrend while traders can earn on the price decrease.

If we compare investors and traders, then there is no single answer. Top traders have huge profits superior to the profits of the best investors.

However, if you take the middle link, investors benefit from the fact that they do not need to trade and make mistakes, losing money on this,
investors simply wait for the right moment to take profits, while traders have to make huge efforts to have a profit at the current the market.

I think both Investors and Traders can be successful on this crypto space. It depends on how they handle their chosen field on how to earn money.  We'll as for me, I do belong to both field. I am doing the same thing when it is possible. I am patient on doing things that make me good for both investing and trading.

I like both trader and investor because have opportunity to get much profit with crypto world investing, some time you have be on investor position when buying coin still on ICO or IEO where get much profit after ICO coin listing with higher price, maybe if you are expert trader with profit always every day you can keep focus with trading, but when you have holding is best moment to be investors.

Everyone of them can become successful even in different ways, they are just like manager of different companies, both can have the opportunity to earn, but it depends on them how are they going to manage their fund, how much they value their money, how they are maximizing and using their time wisely, although they may working in different firm still up to their hand how they will chase their goal.

investors have a more varied level of analysis along with supporting capital.

they look better, because they don't focus too much on the daily profit target, and target greater profits in detail. for example, when they follow IEO in binance and huobi, their profits can be 4x greater than just trading as usual. Many investors look rash, but they will always learn from the worst experiences.

I think traders can be said to be more successful because they can turn money from trading with more maximum results they can earn every day from trading. and I am very sure investors are very much influenced by capital with a desire to get a sizeable profit and even then with a variety of risks but both do have their positive and negative sides

people who invest in the long term are certainly they are targeting greater profits from daily trading. but it does not rule out the possibility that investors also trade daily. and for mistakes that might have been due to rash conduct of initial research.

It's needed to make a good impression to whatever things that you think would help you finding the right field for your investment. Trading will work if you will focus dedicating your time learning all those specific strategies for the best outcome of your investment. Chasing your fate using your own assessments and observation.

yes, I'd be happy to share my own ideas. In my opinion, investors have more success in this cryptocurrency market. I do not have much skill and have not earned much interest from cryptocurrencies.

I don't have professional skills to earn a lot of coins but before when the time of cryptocurrencies are at good stake which is bitcoin hit the ATH's and at the same time most crypto has also a good value that is only the time when I had a good earning with cryptocurrency. I am just joining some bounties, signature campaigns and sometimes play online gambling (but most of the time I lost in gambling LOL).
In my opinion, traders have more earnings than investors.

The trading timeframe based conversations are endless, there are no concrete answers to these questions. The big players play smart and they prefer to ensure their investment from the market volatility, the endpoint is to gain some percentage at the end of the year. Despite the bear market conditions, the short term traders also trade the daily market volatility but the risks are higher than long term investing.

The only skill I have when it comes to cryptocurrency is trading skill, still trying to improve on it. Now talking about who has made more profit or loss, I would say an investor, here I mean an investor who has done enought
 research before investing not the one who FOMO's and buys without research. He should be on good profit and should have been on more profit.

It is hard to distinguish because, although, there are few projects out there which have done really when in terms of price going up, the majority of other coins have dipped too badly with seemingly no hope of recovery. Some traders still make profits but it cannot be as much as the profits from those few projects whose price went up over the months

Talking about who makes more profit between traders and investors can be quite difficult. This is because, both are operating from different angles, traders might be day trader or otherwise in this case the profit varies. Investors on the other hand can get involved with a scam project and ends up losing, his target will now be to get another project from which he can recover his lost money. So you can see, there are several factors which affects them. Also,there are people who are both investors and traders. Lastly I think both makes profit but in their own way, all that matters is dedication.

My answer is smart people. Smart traders will make money but smart investors will also make money. I don't know if there's more smart investors or smart traders. Nobody knows that. A dumb investor and a dumb trader will both lose money that's for sure.

Trading is more difficult so if you're just starting here I'd recommend to invest in and hold. Don't hold forever though. If it dumps a lot sell it and save yourself some money. Don't lose everything in a scam coin or something. You have to be smart about it.

Right, compared 2 good thing like this with it's own benefit will really help other people which is good for them. I mean, i think perfect ways to make profit is do something that we're really good at it. And since both trading and invest money is something that people can learn, start to learn it early will be better to do.

it's the same type of invest, traders for short term. and holders (which is investors) for long term.
it depends on which time you get money in. kind of hard to say. but in my point of view, holders are likely to get more profit than others

I think Traders no hate about Investors. But I just think when the trader is highly skilled and diligent towards its own work. He may surpass any kind of profit out there except those unimaginable because it takes for about a life time to gain. Well anyway, both are guaranteed to be successful considering the idea that the trader and investors are knowledgeable. It is just that the measurement of the profit between the two is totally different, and I'll go with trader because of time range of profit return.

In last couple of years i saw investors made money by investing in any project. That time was gold age for ICOs. Many people had made huge money by investing in some good projects. But for now i think traders are successful. I saw many people had lost their all money by investing in ICOs.

For me personally, cryptocurrency brought a very good income. I joined different projects and worked in the bounty where I had to put my time in writing promising posts. And it brought me not a bad income. And now I have excellent experience in earning on cryptocurrency. And also now I know in which coin you can invest your money. And now you can learn other types of earnings.

Earned on the topic of crypto mainly in 2017, participants in the bounty. ;D 8) Investors almost all fix losses.About traders I can not say anything because I am not interested in this topic.And the answer of traders in this branch you will not wait because they are currently studying technical analysis and charts(in fact, being a successful trader is very difficult.it takes a lot of work).

I would say that all the people who invested in ICO / IEO since July 2019 received very large losses and they did not see any profit. this is a terrible picture and we are all waiting for changes to come

it seems that in this case, it is very difficult to decide. even Bill Gates is a trader and businessman. but I think people like that come from investors. because of this, I have the idea that traders and investors have the same quality depending on who uses it. some of the richest people in the world come from traders and some from investors.

You cannot really answer this accurately unless you will do a survey of all the traders and investors in the world.

I will just answer it base on what I know and what I feel. Traders (professional) for me are more successful than the investors since investors are just holding a coin and will sell it at their target price while traders are flipping their funds everyday to have more profit. I'm saying that "Professional" Traders are more successful than those investors who are just holding their coins.

To me, every trader is an investor and every investor is also a trader. We all buy, keep and sell with the aim of earning beyond what we invested. Talking about the amount of losses and profits made so far, I believe everyone has a different experience and if we're still all here, it means the loss is yet to be unbearable for us to still keep edging on.

Both earning options are good in their way.  It all depends on the quality and experience of the action.
 Traders should at least not bargain in the red and have iron nerves and cold calculation.  Do not panic and make informed decisions.
 For investments, it is important to choose a promising project and wait until the project begins its development.  Given that a company needs time to release its product, this is a long-term investment.

true, it is very difficult for us to decide who is more successful because they have the skills and their respective ways to success. but I personally prefer to be a trader because traders only trade crypto that is ready in the market, for investors this is their biggest risk because the money they invest may not necessarily be able to reach the market.

I started following a bounty campaign. after I get the capital I start investing but not in the long run. after several times not getting a big profit, finally I concluded that daily trading is the best to get profits in the crypto market.

yes, you alright many investor lose their fund in bad project ... for now the best choice in cryptocurrency is trading or to be trader, because in the few month crypto projects not good and not profitable
if want to invest i choose gold or property because its surely can makes profit for now

There are a lot of kind in investment, maybe like what you said for gold and property and maybe bitcoin are really fit for investor. If we see from ICO side, yes a lot of investor maybe lose a lot of money in it and people maybe will prefer to pick trading. But if we can do both, trading and make an investment in a right thing, it can be better.

Both traders and investors make their gains, it depends how skillful they are, for investors its always wise to invest in coins when their price are down and for traders its always about strategy

The market skills are the main determinant for choosing the timeframe in trading, short term traders have a scalping ability to test the market liquidity while long term traders prefer to buy-hold for the weeks, months. In terms of profitability, the long term investors have a advantage over the short term traders, from my experience.

I think OP comparing between trading and investing. not smart and stupid person.
of course if we compare smart and stupid person, the answer would be "smart". no matter they are trader or investor

An investor is any person or other entity (such as a firm or mutual fund) who commits capital with the expectation of receiving financial returns. Investors utilize investments in order to grow their money and/or provide an income during retirement, such as with an annuity. [1]

So investor means long term. and crypto has high volality, the price can change dramatically.
if you are being investors, you will lose many chance. that's why i'd say trader is better in this case

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investor.asp (https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/investor.asp)

In a large market, there are always losers and successful people. Even on the exchange, they lost money. I made trades and invested in some IEOs and I realized that the risk was equal because instead of you trading at a loss because of the high leverage at the crypto margin there are kill-long and kill-short. As for the projects organized by IEO, ICOs continue to fall in price, altcoins of ICOs in previous years had some capitalization of less than $ 100k. The crypto market is too harsh.

I think that everyone on the market has long understood that if you have a lot of money then you should not try yourself in trading, if only in the long-term, but again this is already investment. I believe that in the crypto market, especially in such as it is now impossible to trade a large amount of money, and if you try, you will only lose, so I think that if you have a lot of money you need to become an investor, but if you have a little money, then it costs become a trader, and in the process of growing into an investor.

Trading is a short term it has high risk and trade for a day full u get immediate benefits whereas in investment, investors  are also smart they are very stronger its a long term investment even though it's not stable people wait for the right time to increase and gain huge profits through it.

Trading is like one day cricket match
Investors are like test match.

For the biggest profit results in the crypto market are investors because investors have a long-term hold system they know what will go up thousands of percent in the future so when compared to traders, traders will lose

Investors and Traders have their unique and different experiences, first the investors most times are long term holders, and this can pose a lot of risk cause the crypto market is unpredictable. Then the traders face risk to on their daily trades, they must be very skilled and experienced to pull through. Most times the investors win

That’s a good suggestion that people should invest when they are sure that the price will pump high this year so they can invest when it will be fallen but the problem is, nobody remain certain if the price will be high enough or not. We should check the market then take any decision about investment. As much as I know the price is going to be so well next year that’s why Better invest right now.

Being an investor IMO is a better choice for people who don't want to take too much risk. Although in our end, there's still a risk that we should be aware of but we're more into looking after the market for a week, a month or more, we're more for the long term.

While the traders, I can't myself to be a trader. I'm mostly failing with each of my traders although there's still profit but I'm more comfortable being an investor.

Maybe those two you mention was make you success if we have that kind of skills doing everyday.
I will choose the number one, Being a traders sometimes it was worth to earn in trading their are time also we loss because of this mistake we make in trading. But for now I have some strategy to a aware of those mistake that I make in a past months.

In principle, everyone can survive in this market. The main thing is to be a professional. If you are a professional, you will be able to earn in any market.

I think both have their success stories and to really point out which is more successful, one needs to be in their shoes. Traders have their own days of profit which can be on daily basis for day traders, and otherwise for long term traders. On the part of investors, most have to wait for a while in search of good projects which might pay well or might not depending on what the team have in mind. But for an investors, when he invests in a good project the profit is always worth it. In my own case I do both, but more of investing than trading and I always experience more success with investing.

Everyone has their own way of success. My message, do not make the success of others as a benchmark for success, but make yourself to be better than before. Being an investor, trader, minner, etc. is of course very beneficial for those who master the field. Your job is to find the potential you have, develop it, then add experience with it. That will be more useful.
I prefer to be a freelancer, in this case becoming a bounty hunter is one way. I love writing so I often join bounty articles and signature campaigners. And I like it very much. There's nothing more fun than paid hobbies, right?

It seems to me that most earn those who have alternative ways of earning except cryptocurrency. Because now not a very productive time.

clearly investors.

maybe ther eare succesfull traders but way more long term investors
i would not suggest anyone to trade
its like playing poker against the best players in the world..

Yes. We should not base our own success from others because we all have our different expertise in life. Becoming an investor or a trader is a way of making a decent income but for me, i also prefer being a bounty hunter because i'm very free to share my own ideas based on my own experience.

Yes you are right here only one man trader can makes profits everyday but holding and investment need long time ever. I always try my best to tech trading as well, I fell back 2017 my investing was good profits but i can't makes now. Because almost long days over the Cryptocurrency market situation is very bad.

For me traders are more successful because they make a profit and they are sure to receive it every day depending on whether the results are good.

Holding now is no longer profitable as this potential atcoin is falling further as time goes on. So for now bitcoin are  profitable in terms of holding because this is the only one that will give us big profit in the future.