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I was reading the news this morning and one of the headlines was about a terrible stealing incident involving an alleged gambling addict. The man is an employee of R&L Investments, one of the Philippines' oldest stock brokerage firms. He was able to orchestrate a way to suck at least ₱700-million worth of stocks from the company to support his gambling addiction. This is around 14 million USD, huge enough for the company to decide its closure after 5 decades of operation.^[1]

This case made me remember another news that shocked the country and beyond more than a couple of years ago. This incident involved another gambling addict who tried to burn down the casino inside Resorts World Manila. The man entered the casino fully armed and attempted to steal chips. It went awry and much worse from there, and ended up burning himself alive. The gambling addiction of the perpetrator had reached its worst end after initially causing separation from his family, selling of properties including his home and car, incurring huge debts, and so on. The incident claimed dozens of lives.^[2]

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I want to ask my fellow gamblers here, what is the worst thing you have done for your gambling hobby or habit? Have you come to the point of getting addicted to it and how did you counter it?

Sources:

[1] https://www.rappler.com/business/244378-philippine-stock-exchange-pushes-audit-white-collar-scandal-rl-investments?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1x-wyi3G8i19_o5Hw37UzaYLnA0_jpzxVw_V7KOEXr5Fz0n5DmllJMu-Y#Echobox=1573401216

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Resorts_World_Manila_attack
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3702217/manila-attack-resorts-world-casino-shooting-fire-36-dead-philippines/

I think gambling addiction should be treated like other forms of addictions, and those affected should get medical care. Also gambling websites as well as casinos should have a bold sign advising people to 'gamble responsibly', similar to what alcohol beverage companies do. Not just as a measure to absolve themselves from blame but to protect those that patronize their services.
Personally, I have never been addicted to gambling.

I have not done anything of this level and I don’t think I will ever do such things.These things are made by ill people who have the addiction as their illness.They will do anything to achieve their goals just like a drug addict would.I think that some years in jail would be the right punishment for such persons and also there to be treated for their illness.

Gambling addiction is very similar with drug addiction, both have psychological effects once an individual becomes stressed out due to massive loss of funds.
I think It's time for the government to take actions in controlling the gambling addiction. Put up a rehab for excessive gamblers (I'm not sure if It already has in existence, specifically in the Philippines).

The worst thing I have done in gambling so far, is to hide my total monthly income to my wife so I could set aside some funds to gamble in sports betting  ;D. Is this a sign of addiction? ? Lol

I did see this news a few days ago with regards to an investment firm, but what I didn't know is that the funds stolen from that stock have been used in gambling. It's saddening that one should have been trusted person was behind all of this, and it cost $13 million+ USD almost all the inventory of the firmed virtually zero. I hope it doesn't happen between any other brokerage firms in the Philippines.

You could see that in the articles, it started eight years ago with small amounts, and it lead to millions. Imagine that person who just started saying, "It's just gambling, it's entertainment, I would only use a little amount of my salary/wage" and making that an addiction.

Beware to everyone who is starting to gamble and may not make it back. It served as a gateway to the addiction. I hope no one suffers something like this anymore.

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A recent article for reference: https://business.inquirer.net/282716/50-year-old-ph-stock-brokerage-shuts-down

"Addiction has many forms".
Any kind of prolong involvement for anything is injurious to health.

I do not have a gambling addiction but one of my friends is a regular to this.
We usually play with low stakes in a group just to have fun but this guy takes it a bit far.
I've heard he lost his expensive smartphone in one of his bets in poker which won't seem much at the time but it's not a huge leap from betting his smartphone to betting other valuables.
It's not worth it to bet on things that you can't afford to lose because it's going to affect one's life drastically.
We made him understand the cons if he continued doing this as there is no light in this path.

I am sorry to hear that sad news.

That is the worst thing that can happen to a gambler. Isolating yourself from friends and family and then committing crimes. Gambling addicts have no control over their actions. So, it is up to us, their friends, to intervene whenever we notice that our friends are already too deep into gambling. If we caught it early, we can still save gambling addicts.


They have to face the consequence of their criminal acts but I do not think jail is the right place for them to fix their addiction. They need psychological help.

Well, gambling addiction may have been a factor but I suppose there were still quite a lot of problems with the mans life that resulted in such a situation to occur.

Also, I doubt anyone would do anything over the line IF it wasn't addiction. Addiction could bring the worst out of someone after all. Or rather, well, in this case, money could bring the worst of someone.

No kind of addiction is good, But I think it's better to be addicted to gambling instead of drugs. At least you are not doing anything against the law, and beside's you are not damaging your health, The only thing that can be damaged is your money! lol
But yeah, any kind of addiction is wrong, but as long as you are not damaging your health or doing something that is against the law, I think you are all good. It's on your self if you want to stop or to do it in moderation.


Mine is after I receive my salary, I go gambling and bet it all in just one bet. The ending is I just lost my 1 month of salary. And after that, I keep on controlling myself when I am betting on something, That bet was a nightmare lol.

That's a huge amount of money loss, this man who steals money from the company might either commit a suicide or just accept this faith that he will end up in the jail maybe for good.

I am not sure how huge the punishment of that crime too but this only tells us a lesson not to spend what we can't afford to lose and always stay discipline when gambling.

I think of all the addiction, gambling is the most dangerous as it could destroy your lives and the lives of the others, especially the people around you.

The 2nd link shared by OP was in the year 2017, that was a bloody incident and a gunman was killed 36 people on the casino. But first, they thought that was Islamic State claimed the attack, but the fact a police officer who was addicted to gambling. Because of heavily indebted he's out of his mind because of addiction.

All forms of addictions are not good, while at an early stage much better we avoid this and as much as possible just control your self and set a limit on it. Self-discipline is a must while you are in gambling, once you have been hooked in gambling, you are no longer in your right mind when you are addicted. This is may cause serious mental illness.

Gambling addiction can give the worst thing in our life, and we already saw so many examples in real life. No matter what, gambling addiction is not just sucking our money but our life too, even our family. I don't have the worst thing that I did with my life or my closest family or even friends because I really realize that when I get an addiction to gambling, everything will become terrible, and I will lose everything I had. So we must prevent ourselves from an addiction to gambling, and we need to control ourselves even if we are losing the money, don't get into a deeper situation in gambling otherwise, you will lose everything you have.

Unbelievable! The guy was able to steal 14 million USD and instead of living happily ever after he gambles it away. People really do all kinds of stupid things when they are addicted and blinded.
The father of a friend of mine was recently diagnosed with lung cancer. He says it is God's will that he got cancer. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he has been a passionate smoker for most of his life! NO, NO, it's God's fault.  >:(

It will not reach that big if his purpose is just to steal and enjoy the amount, this is already accumulated due to his long time gambling addiction and it just come to the extent that he cannot cover his activity anymore.


That's just plain stupidity, he can't say that, it wasn't God's will to harm his people, it was us who are abusing ourselves but every action of ours always has a consequence.

Nice one, especially the "I have never been addicted to gambling" comment.
People are unnecessarily complicating life with extreme lifestyle... moderation and self control is the key, but people don't consider.
I don't see anything wrong in creating a great game and charging people to play. It all boils down on responsibility. The gambling owners, as well as the gamblers have to be responsible for their own sakes. We have to be our brothers keeper.

That's way too out of the line, hope I doesn't go that way. Luckily even though I gamble I haven't dome anything that is a crime that goes beyond human action, killing innocent people and stealing such amount of money. That is truly a work of the devil and nothing less, I bet maybe he is also using drugs when he did the crime or even when gambling as the Philippines is one of the world's drug infested place.

To be fair no one cares what's written on cigarettes and alcohol beverages, when you want it, you buy it. Can say the same on gambling. No one knows that you can't win against casino? Just tell me, why aren't casinos going bankrupt? Because mathematically they have higher chance of win than you. But still some people think they are lucky enough to beat casino, yeah, there were really some people who just gambled 1-2 times and won huge amount of money but 1 from 10000 is so lucky, not everyone and it doesn't worth to take part in this competition to my mind.
Just gamble for fun if you can, personally I find live blackjack amazing thing for fun. Can't you get fun and it makes you nervous? Then just stop it.

Very heavy for the fish to be separated from the water.
Most gambling addicts are like possessed by demons, close their eyes to their actions when they lose property and lose in gambling bets.

I am also a gambler, but for all that I can control, when my brain freezes in defeat.

If I read from the source, I can conclude that, that person has a bad factor in gambling betting and justifies any means for betting.

"The problem is very regrettable, the junkie is holding gambling not as entertainment, but as a place to ride his life / try his luck, so that when he loses, his brain is possessed with anger, crime, anarchism, so it is out of control, there is no balance in his life anymore so it is increasingly chaotic, time and money are all dissipated for uncontrolled gambling so as to damage his psyche.
This is someone out of control when addicted to gambling bets,
he forgot everything, this is fatal consequences".

economic factors can make us desperate, so gambling becomes a shortcut and when the addiction is getting worse. as long I gamble, maybe I was lucky to never get a lot of money from gambling, so I'm not addicted to getting worse and ended up disappointed because of too many losses. so in the end, I could stop gambling.

So far I havent done anything foolish that would make it to the front page or even less. I try to discipline my self when it comes to spending my money on online games or casino. I am the type of person who track how much i already spent using a spreadsheet so that at the end of the day I can look at how much I already spent on something like online casino. Thats my way of reminding myself to stop.

I would admit that I become an addicted gambler in my life once, but I will never go that far just to fuel my gambling addiction. Damn, $14 million in the last eight years or so? The worst I did way back is to loan almost half a million of PHP (Philippine Peso) and then go on my gambling spree. My favorite casino is Resorts World, in which the OP also posted about the link above, but by that time the incident happened, I already quit my gambling addiction. Anyways, That guy went overboard and he wasn't check until it's too late.

That's a huge amount mate, I would not allow myself to loan for that huge amount for gambling purposes, but I'm glad you learn your lesson.

That's usually the problem of an employee who have problems, they forget to monitor anymore how much they got already because they keep funding their addiction. I wonder what would be the punishment of this guy, I think this will fall under "qualified theft" right?

I haven't done anything that stupid that would endanger my life or that of anyone else, talk more of taking their life just because of gambling. There was this time I decided to walk a distance that took me close to one hours to reach my destination just so I could save some cash to gamble on a premier league match which I later lost lol. Initially if I had used the cab as intended, it would had taken me just 10-20minutes to reach my destination.

I have read similar related stories to those highlighted in the OP and if I was to air my views on this matters, I'll consider these individuals to be selfish, foolish and totally unstable. When anything is been misused it becomes dangerous and that's what gambling is turning into this days,  you shouldn't let gambling control you, gambling is fun when you're in control and not the other way round.

Just like i said before that gambling addiction will attack your brain and it will affect your behavior because their mentally disturbed and it cannot be healed by common medicine so people who became an addicted gamble will do anything to satisfied their hobbies which is in this case was gamble and that's why people repeatable says control yourself during gamble because it can avoid you to being an addicted

Am not a gambling addict and never will be since I usually gamble for fun. Whenever I gamble, I try my best to minimize my risk for maximum profit. This is why I usually focus on techniques like:

- Accumulator betting
- Arbing

I heard many of these stories regarding addicts selling of their properties from a long time though the news regarding the guy burning down the casino is not something you hear everyday. It all comes down to individual control at the end of the day.

I played gambling for 4 years, but I'm not addicted to gambling, because at the beginning I didn't spend any money to play gambling, aka I play gambling from free money, like from giveaway or from my gambling friends.
well, because of that I consider gambling as a hobby or just for fun. so I was very lucky not to get addicted.

I know about this news and the past gambler who tried to burn down a casino as I also live in the same country. Because of their addiction they did a crazy thing and many people became affected.

I was once an addicted gambler and comes to a point that I have to seek for professional help to overcome my addiction because even my family cant stop me. The worst that I did for gambling is to spend my whole salary to sustain my addiction. I did it few times before my partner noticed that im often running out of money and seems depress. We take a vacation to stop my addiction and through the help of my family I managed to get rid this feeling of being addicted. Now I still gamble but with self limitation and discipline as im aware of the consequences if you let yourself become addicted.

Actually, it depends on ourselves. If you think gambling is a good to do then do it as long as you didn't harm other people. But if you think gambling can change yourself even you will be shunned by other people and you just think gambling is your life as whole then I guess it is not health you must be avoid to play gambling.

Or there is another way that you can play gambling and you don't harm other people especially your family and not being an addict to it then you should thinking that gambling just for your entertainment. I mean, gambling can be made as an entertainment as far as I feel. Regarding to your question, I've passed to become an addict a year ago, and I give a judgment that being an addict into gambling is worst.

Addiction is very harful that's why need to set a limit every time we gamble . And i believe being have a discipline is one of the most important also. Because if you dont have that you will become addicted into it and so on if you don't have money that is the time you will attempt to do a crime. So while its late set a limitation and don't use it as a full time job because it's not certain way to make profits.  In fact there's a lot of opportunities out there wherein certain not unlike gambling .

The worst thing I've done, and multiple times actually, was that I was losing 10-12 hours of my precious life daily, playing poker tournaments with $0.10 prize pool. I still continue playing in such tournaments, because I love to play poker, but I never lose more than 2 hours per month on them currently.

Regarding how I fight gambling addiction, I think it's a permanent process. I can get addicted and kill the addiction during the same day. Fortunately, since I play only with small amounts, I never lose so much money to gambling so that it could cause any problems. But no one should ever forget that time is also a very valuable thing in this life. I would say it's the next precious thing after money. So, we shouldn't lose a lot of the time we have on gambling, as well.

The dumbest thing I have ever done was to sell some valuable things to stake. I just thought victory would return what I had sold. But it all ended in failure and until finally I realized that my actions were truly stupid. Will not repeat it.

Worst thing that I've done, pawn some items, borrow money from a friend, spend my salary just to continue to gamble. But I couldn't see myself doing this kind of stuff, I guess the guy was really out of control already and his decisions are obviously clouded.

Maybe he thinks that the can still bounce back and return the money without anyone noticing it. However, he was already deep down and as others have said, he was like possessed and telling him to continue his gambling habits. But this is the consequences now, and he has to deal with it.

I'm not a chronic gambler but I know one when I see one, I have friends who are chronic gamblers and these people cannot stop and will not stop even to the point of lying and stealing if he and his relatives cannot get a professional he will ruin not only himself but also people around them, because they do not respect any kind of logic anymore, just like what all these stories you've posted.

In past maybe when i first know 999dice, and primedice i play both of that sites almost everyday, and worst thing that i do because of addicted to play gambling maybe when i keep play and then always aim to win, i buy strategy for like $5 to an owner of a facebook group i did that maybe at 2015, but still lose. But i already learned that there are no strategy in gambling, no superstition and it is all about luck for now. And don't be addicted.

i think those cases you've mentioned are not only because of gambling addiction but mental issue as well,i have read an article about the one who burnt the Casino together with his body alive and there it is cleared that he has a Mental problem.

and the other one though this happen recently,i think the same issue its mental problem ,this is only my opinion but does a normal person can spend that large amount just to gamble?
he must have a mind problem since he carried that once in a billion case,losing 14$ million just for gambling habits

Simply a result of too much addiction towards gambling where people would really come to a point or path on doing things out of his control.
Specially for those people who do have access or capable when it comes to financial either his own money or on others.As an addicted gambler
you wont really make balanced decisions in life and as long you would able to feed up your addiction then you will surely do things which
aren't really right at all.Im still not going to that extent though and I wont ever come into that kind of situation.

Definitely right, all kinds of addictions are bad on us and if you can't control with it, it will make worst and destroy your brain due to always thinking to gamble and always looking a way to have funds just to gamble and end up robbing money just to continue your habits. The news was really freakish to know that when it becomes worst from gambling even your self will get burnt and also it can harm other people near you. Nevertheless, there's a cure if you surrender our self to any psychiatrist or even psychologist, but it takes time to cured the mental illness.

Gamblers should know their place and should not let other civilians or people get into trouble because he's too frustrated to win or get what he wanted. Due to addiction his mind became block that it didn't cared for his surrounding. Family of those who have gambling addict member should help their family member to surpass addiction since it can be consider sickness. As much as possible let them realize that gambling will only cause him problem.

As you already mention it was dumbest act so would not say more on it but for others very important that one should learn from others mistake and do not repeat it as it can prove very costly and you could lose lot of money as well.

If you can't control yourself and be assertive to limit gambling, you can do or sacrifice anything and just to get money to play gambling.
Act before you become a gambling addict who will endanger yourself in ruin and slowly what you have will be lost in vain.

Addictions has many faces it is not just in gambling or drugs. Alcoholic is an addiction too and lots of terms they used for people whose addicted to something. Addiction is a disease that's hard to cure once you start it there's almost no turning back. That's why if you are planning to stick in a casino for a long time, you better have a disciple to control yourself. So far I haven't experienced the worst in gambling addiction with myself since I know how to control myself in the first place.

I can understand what gambling addiction is and understand what those who go through it can do, so I never doubt stories such as this told by the OP,  I gamble, but I'm still in control of myself when gambling.

I understand gambling addiction because I have a friend in my area who is a gambling addict, he use to good savings before,but the moment he got addicted to gambling, he is always out of money, he goes as far as selling his phone and stealing from his parents, the money he takes to a bet house to play virtual soccer bet and other form of bets. At this point he is always losing more than he gains, could greed be the cause of gambling addiction?

So far myself too haven't done anything worse as this. Most of the time I used to show anger towards others as the loss always gets remembered in mind. This goes worse when we've spend our daily living money and expecting from others for help. Gambling addiction could lead to any extent of harm and to avoid such occasions these days I spend within the room avoiding conversation with others.

Gambling addiction will affect our minds, it attracts stealing, to have loans and etc...just to cope with their needs. The person who been like this can't think good, it keeps bothering them where they could get money in order to sustain their needs.

It for sure I can't be into that level,  cause I definitely know what I am doing and I can control my self in gambling.

That person mentioned by OP is something into the suicide knowing the fact that he can no longer pay his debts anymore. He's totally out of his mind and emotional stress as well bringing him in big troubles and even thinking of evil actions just to solve his problem.

Personally, I have never done anything that would jeapordize myself or my family while playing Poker (semi-retired professional poker player).

However, I've seen some people do some ridiculous things while playing at mid-to-high stakes tables. For example, I've seen people gamble away their entire life savings, go double or nothing at the end and end up bankrupt.

One time I even saw a man lose his Rolex in a game. Behind the scenes, I have seen much worse, but I won't reveal them here.

I took money on parents pocket and I think that's the worst thing that I've done so far. Those incidents that you have mentioned were actually too deep and made those gamblers into the extent that they no longer think about others because they are in extreme addiction.
There's still a solution for those cases but I think the guy that has been arrested and used the company's money, it could also be a setup and he's not the only person that's involved.

He's already out of options in life and so he resort to killing himself.
But the problem is, he included other people to his mess.
He should have killed himself alone.
While the latest news, for sure, jail is waiting for him.
But guess what, he already enjoyed gambling at its finest.
I wonder what he will do in prison, gamble?

On my end, I think the worst thing that I've done was to lost all my entire monthly salary in a physical casino.
So at that point, I told myself to be very cautious with my decisions next time.
I have to limit my spendings and if I already reach to that set point, I need to call it a day and go home.

Yeah, I think this is one of the worst I've done as well. But the amount is that huge though. But stealing money from someone and to continue doing it just so that you can gamble and live your lifestyle? no, I'm not that kind of guy, so now that he is busted, I'm sure that he regrets everything he has done inside a jail.

I remember those news. I'm thankful that I still didn't experienced those kinds or related  tradegy to my gambling life and I hope it will never happen in the future.
Since I only gamble when I have extra money or for leisure time, I am sure that myself will not end like those people.

My experience only was always going all in after for how many losing streak and boom, lost. Hahaha. That is only minor but it really hurts myself.

Sad stories but true. Remember the 2017 Las Vegas shooting - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting). The suspect was also a gambler, though he paid all his debts before the shooting incident but it is a mystery why such deadly action? His mind got lost owed to gambling???
But anyway, I really can't share anything worst that I've done due to gambling because I only gamble with my extra extra money. So I can say, that I have the full control of myself when it comes to gambling. And one more thing, when we were young, we raised not to even touch the gambling cards. So I think, I carried the mentality that gambling is really not good to a person.

This person is very ambitious, he think he can enjoy gambling and make money on it, too bad that he didn't realize early that it was him who is giving money to the casino at the expense of their companies assets, now for sure he will pay the price of his greediness and he will rot in jail if he cannot pay the big amount he stolen, which I doubt he can since he is only an employee, and he is not making that much.

R&L is a good stock broker but they trust so much with their executives and that is why they failed on this. The guy that stole a lot of money from a broker is really an eye opening to all the brokers, because its true that its happening and we still don’t know with other broker. Gambling addiction triggers his emotion to do this kind of crime, spending more time in gambling with big money is really not a good idea, officers of any banks and broker should not be allowed to go to the casinos at the first place.

That is samples of gambling addiction we read that was happening in real life. Perhaps, there are many other samples that we don't know because the media did not expose it. We know that gambling addiction can risk our money, but I guess that gamblers don't take a serious matter on this, so they still playing gambling.


I am trying not to make the worst thing in gambling or other things because that will have an impact on my life, and sometimes it could have an effect on my family too. And related to gambling, I am glad that I can control myself in using the money so I can prevent or avoid to make the worst thing.

I think I am not at the point of getting addicted because I don't have any passion for playing gambling games every day. Besides that, I can hold myself not to spend too long in gambling if somehow, I am playing gambling on that day. So I think I don't have addicted to gambling until now, and I want to prevent myself from being addicted to gambling.

I saw that news back in 2017 about the guy trying to rob the casino. such a sad thing to see, to be desperate that you'd ruin your life and
negatively affect the people around you just for gambling. although it is sad, he's also stupid not just for being too addicted to gambling but
for also trying to steal chips. the chips itself do not have any value outside the casino and can only be exchanged to the casino where you got them.

The worst thing that's happened to me directly as a result of gambling was almost spending money I needed for daily expenses a few years back; fortunately I was able to come to my senses shortly after realizing what I had nearly done and I've never gambled more than I could ever afford to lose since then, but I do know a lot of people don't end up nearly this lucky from my personal experience. I've since only gambled for entertainment every now and then to avoid any sort of serious addiction, and it's been working fine for me.

In my opinion, people become addicted to gambling because they just want money after winning and winning or having the chance to win the game also the winner money is making them addicted and they think that they are always going go win. As a gambler, it is really addicting especially if you are always winning the bet but it is also kinda risky to put your money in the game but it is just a game sometimes you win and sometimes you lose also. I have a lot of friends that become rich because of gambling but don't try your luck to be like him if you don't have any idea it is still risky.

I wonder what kind of control the company employed for them not to detect that big amount of money already stolen, I mean if they have a good internal control, the lose could have been minimize.

But anyway, its done and surely the perpetrator will pay for the damage he has done to the company.

it's an addiction that ruin a life and it will certainly do the same to his, regardless of the amount, addiction is still an addiction but in our law, the figures vary so for sure this offense has a big punishment waiting for him.

You are lucky to be able to remember yourself at that moment. I've even run out of all the money, whereas is very important money for daily needs and even money to eat for a month I spent all to gamble until finally I was in debt.
After that I just realized and now I also play gambling just for fun and slowly can pay off my debt. (my addiction still can't be gone but at least now I can control myself)
my experience is quite bad compared to you.

Gambling usually starts as a little and then slowly grows as an important thing of life which is more than like food for life. Gamblers do allocate very little fund for gambling in the beginning days and then that allocation will occupy the entire budget. It is happening for each and every gambler because there is no limit for everything in gambling. Gambling will influence its player at psychological level so whatever thing happens in gambling will result in continuing it which is the root cause of addictions.

This is really inspiring. I read and saw, even gamblers who touch it periodically and for fun reasons getting addicted but people who retain their ability to stop at willing, getting chances to stay safer. Gambling addiction is always dangerous but controllable when gambler is responsible.

Ah, I knew this one after I heard it in the news few years ago. Actually it made me remember it's counterpart, the Las Vegas shooting. Though Stephen Paddock's (the main suspect in this incident) motive is still unknown or let's say the police authorities don't make clear conclusions yet, he was a gambler after all. Maybe anything regarding this matter could be one of the factors convinced him to do such bloody crime, who knows?
Luckily, my mind is still working properly hahaha ;D. I can say that I never did something horrible until now just because of gambling and I wish it will be the same. My secret? I don't actually know, mabe because of being a close-fisted person when it comes to spending :D.

To err is human, even though we have a grasp of ourselves, sometimes our discipline in gambling and betting in a casino loosen.  There are experiences wherein I become too excited and bet the amount I should have not used because it is budgeted to something else in the future, like the payment for the monthly ammortization of the house I am currently paying and lost it.Al though I have made a way to regain that amount, that incident had given me a huge load of stress but learned my lesson anyway.   Lucky, I realized that gambling without any control is a disaster and set a gameplan to how much and when to play.  Aside from that I always avoid playing gambling when I am stress because it makes me too careless.

its sad to hear such news and very frustrating why things need to end like this when the true intentions of Gambling is to bring FUN and not worst like this.

checking the case of the one who burn himself and with other people died hiding in that same the room.

this must not happening if we only knew how to manage gambling and never let gambling managed you.

and the other one is really bad,but i think this case was only exaggerated maybe by the company to put blame on that person and they can stop operation and escape to pay the investors.yeah the man was gambling addict but never he can manage to spend all that amount without being noticed.it wont reached that amount for sure.

Some people do beat the casinos just like some people win the jackpot on a lottery but it is very rare. And even if the casino has to pay up a big amount to a winner they made even more on those who lost. They remain in profit no matter what. And the chances are high that even those who win will try to win again to double their profit or to earn even more. And instead of leaving the table with their winnings they end up giving 10% or 50% back to the house. That is a gamblers mindset unfortunately. 

I can relate to this, this usually happens because of what we called the adrenaline rush, when we are winning we think we are unbeatable and we think its our lucky day and therefore we need to continue gambling to win more, we only realize to stop when we started to lose and of course we will decided to stop so we can still go away with a profit, that's why we cannot maximize our winning.

sometimes, worst things happen, instead of stopping because we win already, we never did because of greediness and we only stop when we don't have anything to gamble anymore, that's a very bad attitude of a gambler, no discipline at all.

Thanks mate, Yes, I would admit that I'm really out of control that time, 2009-2013 and regularly frequent RW almost every night after my job, even became a VIP member. But the good thing is that I was able to snap about my addiction in time and regain control of myself. Was able to pay everything already and I'm no longer that kind of person, I have matured enough, learn from that bad mistakes in my life and treated it as "learning experience" on my end.

Mind you I still play around, but not like before, I guess family support is the most important thing that get me out of my addiction.  ;D

Any type of addiction may it be gambling or not are all the worst because all addicts can do something horrible to the point that it cost there life and others. I gamble but I made sure to gamble moderately because I don’t want to be addictive to gambling so much and so far I haven’t done anything as stupid as what OP mentioned above. Gambling should only be treated as another way to have fun and enjoy to avoid serious addiction.

I only play gambling using Bitcoin or cryptocurrency, I will be obsessed with continuing to play gambling if saving Bitcoin and in my opinion, it is the worst addiction I feel. So when I get or have more Bitcoin directly exchanges it to fiat. And only play with small capital.

so this means you never hold any bitcoin in your wallet?thats even sadder mate because when almost all of the people here in bitcointalk is saving Bitcoin for their future,yours are being withdrawn and exchange to fiat,but if that's your best way to escape addiction then feel free to continue.


lol that's one in a Billion scenario and only Dead minded human can do such horrible things.

There is no doubt that greed is the main cause of gambling addiction. The question is, how to fight it? I personally don't think that there's something wrong with the people who want to have more money than they have currently. People work hard pursuing this goal, and many of them succeed. But those who are greedy will never stop, even after having more than enough already. I bet that guy from the OP, Marlo Moron, had a pretty good salary, enough for living a happy life. And yet, he thought it wasn't enough for him. Many people have suffered because of his selfish actions, but he was hardly thinking of others. And that's a perfect example of what greed can do to a person.

that was a frightening story you got there op  but that is true , and i actually heard the other one on the news  ( the one that rob the casino with guns  )  . this why i dont play on crowded casinos because they are also hot on the eyes of the robberers  . about the worst thing that i have done , hmmm if i can still remember back then ,  im stealing some coins on my parents wallet just to have a capital on street gambling  but that was only a small amount  . now that im big , i can work and earn money to support my gambling hobby   .

Okay... I'm from the Philippines but I didn't know about this news even the man who burned himself alive. Nonetheless, It's such an awful situation that I don't want to even reach that point of addiction and frustration because of gambling. Personally, I'm not that addict when it comes to gambling. From the start, I always manage and control myself when gambling and only do it when I'm bored. The worst thing I've done for gambling, spending too much money that exceeds my limit. But that's a rare case since I control myself.
I think why there are cases like that is because they got too addicted and it affect their mental state when they had lost a lot of money. That's why it's really advisable to control your emotions and mental state before playing.

Gambling in a moderate way avoid a person to get addicted from this activities. As long as you still understand the risk and you are not surpassing your limitations the enjoyment and entertaining part of this habit will remain controllable. But if one gambler exceed and aggressively forget things that holding him to control his emotions, that serves as the beginning of many worse things that will happen. It's no longer to enjoy but to aim for higher profits.

I remember the time when my father consistently gambles through cockfighting, to the point that it burdens the family with his obligations and duties as the head of the family. There were times that instead of providing for the family, the expenses are focused on his gambling sprees and we were deprived of the essential need that we should have got.

Fortunately and unfortunately, my father came into his senses and realized the mistake when my youngest brother got really sick with an auto-immune disease. Till this day, he still blames himself that the cause of everything was due to his past misdeeds.

Greed is always present on each person the only difference is that each one of us do have different level on how to handle out our greed.

If you cant control it then there would be an equal consequences on it.Be contended on what we have in terms of financial aspect. Dont ask for more
and dont ask for easy money because if you do push it too hard and leading you to gamble and believing on making easy money with it which is really
a very common mistake of most people.

Such sort of things happen in the beginning. Gambling appears to be fun and especially the hope to get money by playing is an attractive one. Majority has same start as yours but the end is different. Ia ma glad that you learnt out of your mistakes and do not play with the initial intentions you had. Gambling is just an activity that can be used to kill spare time. It cannot bring us huge amounts of money by any way.

I'm also not getting a huge amount from their pockets. I'm considerate with the amount although I know that kind of act was bad way back then. But I guess during our teenage days, we all have that kind of naughtiness inside. I don't also like doing that with other people but if it's with the money of my parents way back then, it's acceptable for me because I know how they'll punish me. But gambling with the funds of investors that has built trust on the company, this is really embarassing.

this is normal for everyone  and like you guys i also have done that  . its our parents , we know them and we are not afraid if we have caught because we arent gonna punish us brutally compare to other strangers do if ever you steal something from them  . its not considered worst all but there are more other worst scenarios than this like  , when someone steal from other people  .  they are stealing serious amounts which is risky when they got caught .

That's is called frustrations, Greedy is the cause of addicting, to avoid of these scenario need to be apply self discipline if people didn't know how to control itself as gambler not possible inter their mind make bad thungs idea how to get back their money. But the sad and worse here is the make a lot of troubles for their lives. So I advuse always do not npbe greedy and always apply self discipline and play ganpmbling for just havung fun and enjoy not go make money.

It also must be in place. If we are going to pertain ourselves that gambling will be a way to become a millionaire it gonna be a big problem and could lead to addiction. And the good thing that I'm not like that and if we know our limitations, our position and also our responsibility it surely it can be far from the worse thing to happen in our life. Gambling could be good if we treat it good also but it turns bad when we are out of control and that it addiction which sometimes we might think evil to the others.

I never got addicted to gambling because I am aware of the bad impacts of it. In my point of view, this case depends on how someone can control himself and think logically. If you can control yourself, moreover you understand that no need to expect so much on gambling, then I think you can be free from addiction.

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Anyway, I don't know how people's viewpoints about gambling, but for me, gambling is only about luck. So, why so serious about it..  ;D

the worst thing I did the most was stealing my mother's money under the bed, after that she felt lost and accused me of taking the money.
without clear evidence he knows I took it, because gambling can make people do the same desperation as drugs if it is not met then it will find a shortcut so that desire is fulfilled, from here I learn if gambling must be stopped by yourself by way of away from places and friends who often gambling.

That's one of the most craziest thing that I've heard about gambling addiction. I meant it can be so dangerous to even let people kill themselves. Hopefully, I'm not addicted to gambling, I mean a few months ago I was gambling regularly, but I was at the point to get addicted to be honest, but I just controlled myself because it could be even worse later. Addicted people should start to stay away from gambling slowly and trying to quit this field as soon as possible. It's not even a good field to earn money, because it's all about luck.

it's better to steal money from other people but not your own mother or your parents, that's unacceptable.

I will tell you, that will be in your conscience forever, stealing is not good especially to those who struggle financially.
Look what gambling have made you, that's because of being irresponsible and not doing the right thing to spend only what you can afford to lose.

if you know how to accept your loses, you wouldn't do that big mistake.

Those mentioned scenario was the result of their stress beyond what's happening on them at very worst stage. I couldn't say it's a final conclusion not to be addicted just what you've said mate, but first and foremost I am always trying not to be on that level. With that idealism of luck, I always think of that this gambling cannot be relied on in terms of profit or a daily source of living; this is all about entertainment.

No, there is no such thing as you said. Stealing with other people will never be better. It is something that people should stop doing. It has no difference in stealing money from his own mother.

His conscience after stealing the hard-earned money of his own mother. Even after so many years, his sin will still remain deep in his mind and his heart. Gambling should not be done with addiction, once it was exposed, it should stop right away.
Accepting losses can easily be done, however, the experience will remain and never get back those days even he regrets it.

The problem is more serious than that

You didn't get addicted but not because you knew it was bad. Addicts of whatever variety also know perfectly well that their addiction is bad and potentially ruinous but they can't do anything about it on their own. Also, you think you can control yourself but that's because you probably don't have a gambling mentality (or just a general predisposition to this or that form of addiction), so you find yourself in a position of making a rational decision (what you call control) but this is not always the case and certainly not the case with addicted individuals

Holding your bitcoin can give you so many benefits as it’s saving for your future and also it can give you mental relaxation about the future. Using your bitcoin in gambling is also good but only if you have an online trustworthy casino, converting it into fiat is so wrong so you better keep it the same and use fiat as well if you have amount but don’t panic your coin.

I also think that the best we can do is to save our bitcoins.We can set a part a monthly bankroll to play without touching our bitcoins by buying a few amount monthly to gamble with it.Always stick to the plan and if you ever feel the urge to get more bitcoin stop,think cold headed and try to not to continue anymore.If you still can’t resist is better to call for professional help rather than losing your bitcoins.

Gambling addiction is not like, a cigar or alcohol addiction, but I think it should be clearly emphasized that it plays moderately and at its own risk, as it says in a cigar pack. Gambling addiction occurs if you are a unstable personality, you can easily break your words (eg, go to gamble and spend no more than you planned). People with strong careers have no problem with envy, both with gambling and other addictions. Addiction takes place in a mental disorder, which is not mentally strong and suffers from gambling addiction, it has a difficult problem.

That is why we must have control for ourselves because once we become addicting, we will lose what we have, and it is hard to get it back. With having good control and self prevention from addicting, we will not become addicting like other people, and even we can teach them how to avoid addicting. Yes, addicting is worst because that will make us lose control, and it is hard to cure the addicting if we don't have a strong mind to get out of the addicted.

I know few people with "gambling addiction".

In few words, they just can't stop losing. Losing one, they try to get it back by betting another round, they lose again. And so on, it goes in the circle. Ofc, they win here and there, but their common sense doesn't let them think in a proper way.

Actually, people cannot get away from gambling. Once you become addicted to gambling you can do ridiculous things. It is really worst if we will not have discipline and determination to control ourselves. That’s the case in gambling cannot stop in playing, and for some,  they just wanted to borrow money to continue their addiction that mostly aiming to return the amount that has lose.

I have heard of that news and that news because my uncle was working at the same casino before. It's sad to hear that there are people who can't control themselves and even commit crimes just to pursue gambling. As for me, gambling is just for entertainment and it could ruin our lives if we'll not control our emotions. Greediness could result in losses so we have to know our limits when it comes to gambling.

but he admitted that he cant help it,whenever he has Bitcoin what comes first to his mind is to gamble so thats why i told him to just continue on his way of treating crypto gambling.

but ofcourse theres always a good way but if can control our self and we have no greediness in character because if does then its impossible for this to apply

I'm from Philippines so I'm aware of this two news and at that time i also a little bit of addicted in gambling particularly in online gambling i admit i did small bad things just to find a way to play and hoping to recover my lose money but back to the main topic, after i heard about that kind of news that the person involve is a gambling addict and i got sad how people do far things just to sustain their adiction, so as i was saying after that i made a realization on myself what if i become like that man? What if without realization, I did injustice things, so I changed and got woke up before it gets worst.

If you've said this sarcastically, I would agree with you, but if not, then I strongly disagree with this.

There are good addiction and bad addiction, in simpler terms, "good habits" and "bad habits".


They are both bad habits, and if you think you are not doing anything against the law when you are gambling, think again, I bet you are not going into a casino and just playing gambling online which is against the law, just so you know. Also about the health thing, you could technically get yourself at risk by playing gambling online, if you are addicted on it, spend a lot of time in front of your computer and don't get any enough sleep everyday, your brain is at risk.

I was gambling too much for a period. I made good money for the first time. I got a little carried away with this. I realized I was getting addicted back then.

Then I thought the right thing was controlled betting and gambling. And I made some rules for myself. Obviously, the degree of dependence, and I think it is in everyone's hands to overcome. I made it. I'm still betting and gambling right now, but I think I'm in control.

It's mostly part of our childhood and when we've became an adult, we have understood that doing other things that will affect and harm other people is a frustrating act. Becoming extreme and coming to that point, stealing others money, this is shameful.
Not just on the part of the guy but to his family too.

Realize it first before its too late and if you dont like to have the same situation of those people which are on the news then better to
lessen up your gambling activity.It isnt bad to play though but be sure you are playing on the amounts that you can afford to lose.Dont chase up your losses
because this is one of the main reason why people got addicted or attached too much on gambling.People do really comes to a point where they do decide up things
which is way too overboard.

sometimes people have difficulty controlling themselves when in the game, but they will realize it after losing everything. when we are addicted, we need a companion, whoever it is in order to make us aware. gambling is indeed easy to make people addicted, because at this time how difficult it is to find a job, whereas gambling can be a shortcut to get money because the results are instant and do not have to work hard.

Based on my experienced, I also have encounter being greedy and addicted in gambling, since I won a huge amount of profit from playing poker and slots that every night I always experienced go at the casino just to trying to earn a huge amount of profit, but I ended up losing a lot of money and bankrupt. Today, I still gamble at the casino and on gambling sites, but i can now limit myself from playing gambling for leisure time only.

In the issue from the previous year about the goes to the resorts world manila, he is just a regular person who wants to play gambling. Still, after he loses many times, he cannot control himself self make a terrible action, stole a million casino chips on the and let other people die in smoke inhalation, and then he commits suicide.
One of the worst things I've done in playing gambling is to wage all of my money in just in a single game, I already got a lose streak and one of the things that I can do to get my fails is to max the wage to make my money, but even it is very risky. Still, I continue to play this kind of strategy. It works for just two games and again lose my money and go home regrets all of my decisions.

There was a point of time where I become addicted because I was winning, I have a good run of winning back then, I bet all my salary back then, I thought it will not end, but after a week the table was turn, I suffered a lot of losses, and lose all my savings, until i realized that I am losing grip and losing control I'm glad helped to overcome my addiction but it was a worse experience.

This is really scary. They have gone wild to the point they are not able to think right at the moment. Surely such events is possible at every kind of addiction might be gambling or not. Worst thing I have done so far is that I tried to jump out from my set of plan of what I can afford to lose. I tried to borrow money just to fulfill my addiction. Well, I am glad that I was able on not doing it anymore. Maybe if I continue doing I will be probably one of the criminals out there trying to do unlawful acts.

Everyone has got some point that makes them get into addiction. Some succeed out of the addiction profiting big while majority of the gamblers loss big out of the same. Using the funds for living on gambling is a worst decision, somehow you've known it at the right time and overcame it. Gambling is all about an entertainment and when taken this as a source for earning loss will be much experienced than winning.

The guy just lost his mind this is an example a chronic gambler went berserk or crazy, he will have to spend the rest of his life in jail with the huger amount or worse people will just liquidate him, because this is company money and there are a lot of shareholders on it, the problem on this one is they delegate everything to one person, they should break it down to several people to avoid this scenario this is a bad business decision that should be avoided.

I heard recently an interesting thought about alcohol addiction. It was said that from birth one can say about a person whether he is predisposed to alcoholism or not. The whole secret is allegedly how well the body produces an enzyme that raps alcohol https://www.mydr.com.au/gastrointestinal-health/liver-and-alcohol-breakdown (https://www.mydr.com.au/gastrointestinal-health/liver-and-alcohol-breakdown). And if this enzyme is produced well, then a person does not appear addicted to an alcoholic.
Perhaps this idea makes sense.
And perhaps the same approach can be outstripped regarding gaming addiction. Someone has developed excitement in a greater degree, and someone can play at least for days, but without excitement and not feeling any influence. The question is very individual.

A big fault for a broker for allowing their employees to steal money for almost a decade, they must prevented this one if they have a good security. He becomes addict because of having an unlimited source of money but now he sucks and will face a big trial of his life. Addiction on its finest, and a biggest fraud in Philippine Stockmarket casinos must strictly implement their KYC program and alarm the companies about it.

theres something wrong with this post,you have mentioned of having a "Good Run Winning"but how come that even your salary is being spent for betting?supposedly the salary was safe because of constant winning right?

theres not true on that statement mate.

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but its your statement who am i to disagree right?

but what if the employee dont really got all that money?but he was only famed up?we know nothing inside the company because what we have are the news from the media that we also knew are payable lol.

Personally, it is really hard to control ourself especially if we were on our surge of our emotion. For instance, we keep winning and winning we tend to forget to control our emotion because of joy and same if we keep losing we tend to forget as well because we were annoyed. It is easily to be said that you can control your emotions but hard to be done, once you get addicted into something it is hard to leave this aside.

These act you mentioned are the worst I have ever seen because it is really silly and I think those kind of people needs to be rehabilitated because there is something else that has taken over them. Why am I gambling, isn't it to make money and if I have the opportunity to steal $14 million, why on earth would I still continue with gambling, I think those ones are being ruled by marine spirit or any demonic spirit.

I love gambling, most especially for game, but the moment that I saw that it was beginning to affect my children’s education and I find it hard helping them out on their assignment, I had to stop gambling immediately because family comes for me and anything that will take that away will be dealt with completely.

I think the worst case that I have done for gambling is betting my last money on a game,
And I end up losing the match so in the end I didn't have enough money to have a decent dinner for my family.
But it was the last time that I made anything stupid for gambling.

Actually I have been there before in which I am already getting loans to my friends and family in order to support my vices in gambling so that I can play and go to casino to play poker and any gambling games, I have also even steal to my father and mother's pocket in order to go and play to the casino or even getting the money that to be paid for our electricity and water consumption. I have experience and done all of that just because of the addiction to gambling to be able to play and earn money and maybe I can call it an addiction. How I overcome this is one day my father talks to me about stopping it because we are already down on debts because of what I am doing, and one day I even stop going to the casino to play and that would be the time that I've been able to control my addiction in gambling.

i believe you that it was very,so so so stupid.how can a person afford to Bet in Gambling even the money that must be deserve for food?how can you afford to let your family starved while you are stupidly playing for fortune?you must be right that it is the last thing you will ever do such foolishness because if not?surely your family will leave you alone.

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i have done something stupid as well for gambling in past but not to the extent that even the food will be at stake because more than everything ?my family is first in my life so better not to do that again.

I've also experienced this once, it can't be help and hard to resist once we won even if it is just a couple of times, that gives us courage every time and we are always in control by the house because of that bait, in the end, we are all crybabies or a mad grandma, ranting about the money she lost because of herself.

And the other thing is, gambling is never a decent way to give your family a decent dinner.


If you are still playing gambling, you're still making stupid things.

I see my neighbor doing this. So disgusted to think about it but that's their life and they choose to be like that.
I appreciate gambling but not to the point that it drags me to the hell and do stupid things and sacrificing the needs of my family just to fulfill my pleasure playing in casinos.  It is important to know our limitations and don't get tempted to what people say's high gains in gambling.

I don’t want to accept everyone gets into a point of addiction in gambling. I have always seen gambling addition stories unbelievable because it is weird to me. There is timing for everything, I feel it is easy to stop. The people who get addicted to gambling are those who are extremely greedy. Everyone has an iota of greed when gambling when it is taken to the extreme then it’s definitely going to result in crisis.

The story shared by the OP is still very unimaginable to me and I must confess that I am amazed on how far addicted gamblers can go to satisfy their unhealthy urge. Well, I hope a lot of addicted and yet to be addicted gamblers would learn from this and this would definitely make a lot of people seek help as soon as possible.

Of course Gambling can be really a form of addiction because we all know that this is a vices in which we are playing or gamble our money in order for it to grow huge, but what if you've been done the most scariest thing in your life for you to just supply your needs in order to gamble money? Just for example stealing, cheating other people and etc. I hope before we get there we must change our life in order for us to not experience those kind of bad habits. We can gamble sometimes for fun, but doing such bad things in order to gamble, then it is bad.

I doubt majority of the stories posted here are just stories and not real life things. The person's life would be pretty messed up if that was the case. Not being able to feed their family would mean immediate scolding from the spouse and that is indeed a embarrassing situation for any human.

One should not let their addiction get the better side of them. There are people who gamble and handle their savings carefully. Being responsible is not possible for many who are recklessly trying to chase losses and make up their losses but moral values should be kept in mind.

There is no denial in that. Humans are greedy by nature and if someone denies this, then he is not human. Controlling the temptation and money love is not like not having them at the first place.
There existence within us is the whole reason why we are taught patience and self control. Losing one’s sense can bring big harms in games like gambling where money is at stake. The best is to play only for fun.

Personally, I don't think it works on this level

And as I'm inclined to think, it has more to do with brain chemistry rather than some enzymes in the liver. Why? The logic is pretty simple. It is not consumption of alcohol itself just like not gambling per se which turns people into alcohol and gambling addicts. It is the urge that they feel after they have not drunk or played for some time that drives them insane and makes they come back for more. Obviously, all this happens in the brain, not in the liver

Maybe what he was trying to say is that if it is in your blood (family) that loves to drink alcohol, then you're also going to be immune to alcoholics drinks, you would never get drunk, and in gambling, you are playing gambling but you have the resistance to gambling addiction.

But yes, I agree to you that it is all happening to the brain, since it is the one who controls our entire nervous system who commands every parts of our body what to do, and gambling addiction is also included.

After grabbing fourteen million dollars, playing gambling with the intention of getting money does not make any sense at all. But neither stealing that much big amount is easy task nor making income from gambling is possible. If someone claims to done any of these, I will not believe him. You made my day by saying that family comes first. All the gamblers should get some lesson from you and reset their priorities.

Well, I doubt that you can't get drunk if you drink enough

But I agree that some people can drink regularly and sometimes quite heavily (e.g. when external circumstances require it) but without developing an addiction at all. As I have written earlier, it is all in our mental or psychological makeup and character. Some people are more prone to become an addict of something, some less, and that definitely has everything to do with our brains, whether it is familial and hereditary (i.e. occurring in the members of a family) or entirely individual and thus not tied to one's ancestry


The interesting part is what should be done to prevent people from developing an addiction for something when they are already internally predisposed to it, i.e. how to make them immune to it

Everyone try to get the best out of gambling. This is not to make themselves happy, most of the gamblers always look for the sophistication of their family. Myself is a failed experiment of the same, because if I've made my living with what I had now I could've been living very happily. To give more sophistication to my family I tried and failed losing what I had in my wallet.

14 million  :o that is sooo huge.
They keep saying it but they won't listen, gambling is not for everyone, because many gamblers can't handle it addiction.
The only part where gambling addiction almost got me was when I used the money for an important stuff to gamble and I was prone to gambling everyday. I worked hard to recover the money but I can't be foolish enough to use millions for it. I'm glad I am free now.

Yeah, that is really weird. A person stealing money and the company does not even realize it. Like I mean all those annual auditing, journal and trial balance and they didn't see any anomaly? Looks like someone has been performing a shit job.
Just one time incident does mean you "almost" became an addict. You aren't "foolish" enough now, but trust me, when you become an addict you won't even realize what you are doing or using to gamble.

That's a very sad of you right now, you must be feeling a little awkward upon facing with your wife when come home after you lost those money in gambling without telling it to her. I know we all have been doing some bad deeds in our lives once in a while but it is important that we should learn from those mistakes and never do it again.

If self realizations could really be put up on ones mind and heart then committing the same mistakes wont really be that on high chances yet people or a certain
gambler would already be keen on his next move to make since he know on what are the possible things that would happen ahead.Living in a life which does have full or secrets
and anxiety since you know that you're hiding something to someone wont really give out a very peaceful life since you've been bothered every now and then.
If you dont like on having that kind of depression or worries then better to completely stop on everything.

I have seen this news on the social media already days ago but what I didn't expect that it is because he became an gambling addict and it forced the company into its closure. What a huge loss for the investors who used that broker and many are hoping that it will not happen to other online brokers in the future.


I think it is around last year when I almost gambled everyday in an NBA game. I'm gambling a small amount only everyday but it took me around one month of non stop gambling and as usual, I end up losing my money. I countered it by just playing online games to be honest since I always play and that is how I countered it. Now I don't gamble too much, around 1-2 times every 2-3 weeks only.

Great. At least you don't have to do the same thing in the future because you already got an important lesson before. That will help you to understand that most people cannot rely on themselves in gambling because they can lose control in the middle of gambling.

Gambling addiction is worse, but still, many people playing gambling in their free time or every day. Perhaps, if they can have a strong control inside of themselves, they will not worry about becoming addicting. They can prevent the addiction even if the situations become worst, so they will decide to leave the gambling places without taking a look back.

This is the actual outcome if people do get addicted and cannot control themself from taking break from gambling and end up losing lot of money, relationship is spoilt, it effects the health etc . So it is important to have a self discipline in life .

It can destroy everything you had thats the consequences if you let yourself become addicted. But why it is hard to refrain ourselves to gamble even we often lose? We know how hard to win in gambling and the chances to win is not quite but there are still people trying their luck to double their money or hit the jackpot (like in lottery) to become rich. The worst that I did for gambling is to spend the money that is meant for our daily expenses its my salary, but I chose gambling than to think what might be the outcome of my action.

Gambling and being out of control is a very bad thing. Many things can happen if someone has reached the stage of intense addiction, family relationships that are not harmonious, mental health, social and other disorders.
I am not sure that someone who is lucky in gambling will be happy to let go of his love for gambling, because in my opinion gambling gives us great hope of winning even though we cannot achieve it at all.

I do not see any difference between you and the referred person on the post that stole the company’s money because stealing is stealing regardless whom it is stolen from. The only problem I have with addicted gamblers is that they do not consider it as addiction until it gets out of control because to be realistic, I can’t comprehend how a sane man would go as far as stealing just to gamble.

I don’t know if you still have this habit bro but will advice you seek help as soon as possible if you do bro because gambling addiction can be disastrous and it all begins with little actions of doing everything possible to satisfy the desire which also includes stealing.

I sincerely wish the government of each countries could see gambling as a very terrible and dangerous illness because that’s exactly what it is and anyone seen or suspected to be addicted should be given urgent attention because at the end of the day, the destruction does not only end at the victim but the general public at large. You can imagine what huge debt the company has gone into as a result of one man’s mistake. Really terrible.

The worst thing I have done to feed my gambling habit was probably skip 2 months of my own personal savings and spend it all on booze and gambling in a night, and this happened in Macau. Obviously not my proudest moment nor fondest memory but it opened my eye into something that would help me a lot. I know I wouldn't do such a dumb thing knowing that I still love being free and just getting some things done day by done and my addictions, or should I say "attraction" to gambling isn't that worrisome and I have effectively stopped gambling large amounts of money for years now. Problems such as these are more into the psychological behavior of the person in question and they really need to seek help, else they would do such stupid things mentioned by OP or worse, physically harm someone in order to achieve their goals.

If it has been addicted to gambling it will be hard to heal his soul, anything he can do to earn money to play gambling, yes suppose by borrowing money to people or doing other worst things as you say, for example by Do theft. Until now I was not addicted to gambling, although occasionally likes to gamble.

Well, i didn't consider myself being too addicted when I played gambling games just quite a little because I manage to stop myself before it's too late but I remember when I still playing I often skip in eating in the right time and used most of my earnings from postings and my saved money and my family notice that changes in me and confront me, and thankfully they understand me and guide and help me to get rid of addiction. Gambling is just a habit, but it depends on the person on how will it affect itself for better or for worst.

we can say that our body and brain start treating such addictions as something compulsory to survive. For them, it becomes a need to live and work. This is how addictions actually work. They fool our brains and train it to believe that some actions are necessary for staying alive. It is not easy to work against your  own brain. That is why the treatments to shake off such habits put a great mental pressure on victim.

I have seen worse scenario. Addicted gamblers in my opinion should be seen as mentally unstable patients and their actions can be frightening. Sometime back I heard the story of a man that killed himself, wife and kids because he lost a game and felt terrible,didn’t know how to stand the shame and loss and the best he felt he could do was to eradicate his total family, it’s that Bad.

If there is anything we can do to safe ourselves from becoming victims is for us to be careful on how much time we spend on gambling since by research any gambler has a tendency of falling into addiction as long as they spend a lot of time gambling. This is the reason I try to pick the days I play games. I have successfully trained myself that I do not visit a casino house more than 2 times in a week. Those suffering from addiction today never envisaged they would become that. Being careful is absolutely very important.

Most of us are enjoying playing gambling and think just for fun, and if we got lucky, we could gain an extra profit. But some of the other players take it seriously because they invest knowledge, time, and effort to study gambling and also to win those every game. There are a lot of people obsessed with playing gambling even they are already losing many times still they want to play, and this may cause an uncontrolled mindset because you are unstable, you want to earn back your money or earn more profit, not to lose. By these, they make some mistakes or decisions, just improper self-control in playing.

I don't think the people that the OP is talking about as examples of gambling addicts at the worst level are after the money. They are already rich if we consider how much money they have already burned in the gambling tables. Imagine you already have millions of USD. Would you still gamble for money if you are already a multi-millionaire? I think the problem here is much worse. They are already not in their sane minds.

By and large, all addictions come primarily from what type of personality you have. I mean, if you have “addictive” of personality type, then you will be much more likely to be addicted of any kind, whether it is an unhealthy love of sweets or a game addiction, it doesn’t matter. Having this type of personality, in any case, you run the risk of being dependent on something. Unfortunately, this can only be eradicated through work with you, because the roots of this problem are from a deep childhood. The first step is recognition.

I agree, it's not only about money, but about time also. I'm sure one can get addicted to gambling, when playing from faucets only. That's why it is very important, if you gamble online, to have at least 2 days off, and to never play more than 4 hours, in total, during a single day. I mean, it's better to play less than that, of course, but if you see that you play more, it's a sign for starting to get concerned.

I don't think that it will happen to myself since i am not a person who is not comfortable not having any money that I can use when I want to buy something I like but I know someone that always go to casino and even sold his car just to have money to gamble in the casino.

in my opinion gambling is best done only when we want to play and when I'm bored, but don't get addicted, have to apply 1-5 pairs and then just leave for other activities.

I feel the same. I've never done anything I should be ashamed of when it comes to money, gambling, borrowing, whatever. I'm not and have never been in debt and I don't feel like I'll ever be addicted to gambling. I just don't feel it and know that I can stop at any time. It doesn't draw me in and I don't think about it when I'm doing other things.

The stories from OP's links are tragic but they don't happen often. Think of how many people get mugged everyday and how many employees steal from their employers. These things happen and gambling related crimes are a very small piece of the pie.

Damn!
crazy story.

I wish people opened up more for therapy and had more empathy with other beings and more love to themselves.

Definitely only art and love can save the world.

No I think you're wrong, you can becoming a professional gambler if you have a good money management and apply some basic strategies like only betting your profits. If you lose while you have only bet some gains, you won't lose any own money at the end.

Even if you have a good money management - gambling is based on randomness or at least some randomness so even if you are strict about how you spend your money - say you start with 11 losses before you get your 1st win - what good would come out of it? And can anyone guarantee you would ever "recover" those 11 losses even with proper money management?

Gambling is based on randomness, the house makes the profits based on house edge - house edge is not based on randomness, the bet you place however is ... so your suggestion has lots of flaws or is lacking some considerations of how gambling really works - and that's assuming you even bet with proper money management - without it after 11 losses you can go broke.

Good for you if you can manage to facilitate that way, many gamblers are unable to control and what manifest them is to keep losing their money.
Better to be safe than being sorry after you suffer from those worse outcomes from being addicted gambler. Never to think that you can always
recover your losses, it's best to accept your fate and quit don't push it harder it will results to lose everything.

As I said above if you only play with your gains you can't lose anything at the end, moreover the prime goal of a good money management is not to make big gains but to limit your losses. It's perfectly adapted to the gambling if you're able to evaluate the probabilities rightly.

today I've got $ 200 start with $ 5 yes already withdrawn 2 hours ago
but when you have no other activities, gambling is like continuing to call to try again.

and what do I get after that?
Yesss I lost everything in just minutes  >:( greddy and addict its totally worst !

yes that's because I already understand the consequences of addiction itself, rather than having to be addicted to gambling is better to spend money with family.  because addiction itself makes us more emotional to want to continue playing and playing even though it is not good for our finances.

Strongly support this view

Good money management has nothing to do with gambling unless you can overcome the house edge somehow. It is possible in things like daily races and jackpots when you can in fact beat the house edge, but these opportunities are few and far in between. Like an arbitrage window in trading they exist only for a short amount of time as everyone is quick to exploit them. To sum it up, proper money management would dictate you to stay away from gambling altogether in practically all cases

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So you learned that gambling is about greedy and addict. That makes you lose the money. Next time, if you win $200, you better leave the place as soon as possible. Otherwise, you will end up losing all the money like what you got before. Maybe you need to learn about controlling yourself so that it will give you a chance to prevent continuing gambling. I am sure you can do that if you have an effort to reduce your time in gambling.

It simply reminds everyone that we can't be a lucky person all the time or even the whole day. There is too much temptation in gambling and it fuels our mind to think for more and more until we've got nothing. I give sympathy to that person cause it also happens to me before, though we think that would be a sort of learning and exactly yes but can't deny that we can befall into that back again.

For sure that we can't promise and learned from our mistakes cause for being out from the hell of greediness is a long term commitment, it can't be done instantly nor to change our mindset in just a week or month for sure. Cause I know that we can't escape from this.

Problem with heavy gamers they will keep listening to the lust of gambling. Even getting the chance to win and make a good use of the money, but instead they will keep coming back and play thinking that luck will always be there to help them win. Only people who have a good balance with their emotions can quit with good benefits. Controlling greed is a tough job but once you get over it then you will have the chance to earned decent profits.

Yes agreed duee but trying to control yourself is not as easy as you think
my mistake was probably because I didn't know what my winning target was to stop enough.

today I play again and try to invite my friends to watch by my side, I told my friend if I had made a $50 profit he had to turn off my computer no matter what. and finally it worked well enough

When I just starting out to gamble I lost a lot of time money, then I realized I cannot keep up anymore if I don't find  a way to stop myself from this addiction, gambling is like quicksilver you really can't hold of it or even totally control it all the times, I'm glad I'm fast that stage now I'm totally in control of my time and gambling.

Why would you put yourself inside a system where you need to limit your losses as if you take for granted you would lose something in the first place? In that case it's best if you don't play in the first place ... as deisik said after you as follows:


Well said.
The best money management you can have with gambling is not gambling at all in the first place.
Very well said.

I have not been addicted to gambling, because I can control it when I play gambling. Maybe this is not the worst thing for me.
It's just that I feel when I gamble, I feel enjoy at home and do not want to do other activities, such as working to make money. Really this I have ever experienced. But for addiction, maybe I haven't got the status like that.

But he did that this time already, or am I missing something?

I think this is an interesting case, when gambler, bobyhodob, did the first move right, he did what many of us here suggest to do when you won big, he withdrawn his winnings right away. So, I think, we can say that bobyhodob has the ability to control his actions, but what failed him was the lack of other interesting activities that could replace gambling, at least during that day.

I'd suggest bobyhodob and others, who have the strength to stop playing after big win and withdraw, to invite someone to a good restaurant right away. Thus you'll have something interesting to do instead of losing your money behind the computer screen.

Then you're living in denial if you call it normal.
The fact you don't want to do any other activities and you don't want to work (hard) for yourself only proves what the gambling activity is causing you - isolation. Like it or not, it's a fact.



That's a bad advice, it won't help neither.
How many times I've heard of stories of gamblers who won, big, really big, 5-6 or even 7 figures ... they kept the money, they didn't spend it, they didn't "re-deposit" the money but nonetheless they spent more than they could afford after a while ....

Even those who won the lottery have proven that "what goes around comes around" - if you win too quickly - you would lose that money too quickly, at least the highest chances are that you would lose it ... Ashley Revell perhaps is an example to someone who won a single spin of a roulette and used the money for business instead of losing it however I have no idea how his personal life is now, and like it or not - what goes around comes around.

So by all means, go a nice restaurant, "enjoy" your winnings - but just be aware that tomorrow, next week, next month or even next year - you might lose more than you actually gained on that night when you won big. Just be aware of it that if you haven't stopped - then you will always be at risk of losing more than you would even imagine.

We cannot blame them for such behavior. These people either hold the belief that gambling can make them rich or they want to make money without putting real efforts ever. Once they will understand how impossible and unreal this approach is, naturally they wont play gambling a lot. Then they wont have any difficulty in taking control of their emotions and greed, in this matter.

There is always a temptation in gambling, and that makes people attracted to play the games more and more. We feel that it will be difficult to stop gambling because of the temptation. But we need to learn from our mistakes because if we don't learn, then we will make another mistake in the future. We need to prevent that thing so we can get something from the learning.

Yes, control ourselves will not easy, but if we keep trying, I am sure one day we can easily stop gambling anytime. The important thing is we don't stop to control ourselves because practicing to control ourselves will give us a chance to stop anytime.

That is great. Finally, you got the point. It is better to have someone that can watch us and always remind us not to lose control. You've done a great thing, and I hope you can keep it in the gambling games so you can prevent the big lose.

No, you don't miss anything. Yes, he already withdrew, but he continued playing gambling, and he loses his money. That is what I got from his story. That is why I suggest him to leave the gambling games after he gets his $200 and don't play gambling again.

He already said it

This is the addiction syndrome, it is like our passion's in life, we love to do it amongst other passion that we have in ourselves, because that is what more fun to us and that gives us the satisfaction that we need to forget things that makes us sad, or to have a pastime, and other personal reasons, that is why it is important for all of us to have a social life, and not a shut it where we limit ourselves on doing other things that will not gives us a bad addiction like what gambling does.

I know it is hard to leave the life that you've been used to, but guys, it is all worth it if you will quit gambling and explore the world, it's much prettier and beneficial to us.

I'm not sure how this is relevant to the advice given

Note that I don't say that this advice is going to halt your gambling addiction (if you have one). I just want to point out that people waste big and unexpected money not because they are addicted to gambling or anything to that effect but primarily because they don't know what to do with all this sudden wealth ("big, really big, 5-6 or even 7 figures") as they are simply not used to it. However, they understand they should do something with their new riches but whatever they do turns out only wasteful and reckless spending

You are 1000% right.

will be very lucky for those of you who like to play gambling but do not get addicted, it would be nice if gambling was only for entertainment only but not to the level of addiction.  because most people if they gamble instead want to gamble continuously.

Those are events out of the ordinary and probably reflect some kind of psychological issue or even the abuse of drugs besides being addicted to gambling, however those incidents should tell us how dangerous is to get any kind of addiction and at the first sign that things could be getting out of your control it is important to look for help, many people think they can control their addiction but we know that is not true so it is important to get professional help so you can overcome those demons.

Well, that is good advice or don't think seriously about gambling in your life. Even you gambling once a week or even twice that won't affect you. How I wish I can travel around the world and explore all gambling live casino. I just want to see people gamble or those rich people placing their bets. I just want to know people there but I not going to gamble. Indeed, in gambling addiction, that depended on ourselves how to manage with it and not become to the point of addiction.

This is really bad, what would you do with that kind of money [1], the obvious answer is to have fun with friends and family (for normal people) so I consider this to be abnormal and must be handled appropriately.

The worst thing, I continued to make deposits even though I finally lost everything, realizing it after everything was gone.

No gambler is "lucky" or immune from being addicted.

Many people who started with just a $5 bet - ended up losing millions - for example Justyn Larcombe - read his story.

I also get addicted to gambling since my friends introduced me about it, and i started losing a lot of money that i also ended up getiing bankrupt. I rid of my addiction in gambling by changing my habit, which i change it by playing sports and going to the gym for me to lose my focus about gambling kr gking at the casino.

Gambling itself is so much addictive or say humans greedy behaviour make them lose millions of dollars just to win one big amount in anticipation which may just not happen every time they gamble . Hope people learn from their mistakes .

Being greedy is what makes a human being addictive to gambling. We always think of instant money and we always set aside the enjoyment of playing.
Most gamblers lose more than a million dollars because of their mindset, thinking of winning a big amount all the time which is impossible. As you said, gamblers anticipated that they will win one big amount, but for that to happen you need pure luck which is really impossible.

I'm trying to be as rational as possible, so, this text looks too metaphysical to me. Imo, the chances of losing something have no relation to how that "something" was acquired, quickly, won in a lottery, or slowly, with years of hard everyday labour.


Actually, Ashley Revell did well after that:


But even if he'd lose everything the next day, it wouldn't prove anything, as well as it would be wrong to say that what happened to him proves that acting like he did, sold all his possessions and gambled US$135,300 on a single spin of a roulette, is the right pattern of behaviour.

Also, I think you imply the wrong meaning to the proverb "what goes around comes around".

He is damn true. This is world is full of things that need to be explored. If you ask me, human life is very short one to experience and know everything. Still, we should try to taste as many flavors of life as we can. Gambling is just one small portion of what world has for us. It is a game and must be played with this mindset. Majority of the gamblers develop hopes to make money from such an unpredictable activity, which is totally wrong.

Life should be explore and we need to see other things we shouldn't lock ourselves to engaged too much with something that causes problem. Gambling should treat as source of entertainment exceeding to anything surely will not bring good to you. Don't focus too much with this activities and better to quit if you already suffered from huge loses, take it as a learning experience and forget about coming back if possible.

No, I know what I've said:

https://i.imgur.com/ERZfXH8.png

And please if you want to correct grammar or vocabulary mistakes or typos - look at other members in the forum, I don't think my English is the one that needs amendments.
For example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201442.msg53126907#msg53126907

traffics?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202958.0

First (thing) you know about online gambling?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202622.0

What's really good have you received from the results of the gambling bounty  ???

Feel free to drop any Grammar/Vocabulary/Typo whatever comments in those threads, I don't wanna sound too cocky but those users need it much more than me.



Life shouldn't be explore ... life should be explored ... !

I felt the need to correct you because from all the typos/grammar comments or whatever I've seen here - Betwrong felt the need to criticize someone whose English is his mother tongue, whilst ignoring posts like this that definitely need their English to be explored.

For betting you should be careful that being addicted will make you suffer so in gambling make sure you have control over yourself and you can stop gambling if you think you are going to lose more than you can afford to lose. It’s all about control one should manage before gambling. Even if you are gambling for fun make sure you can stop when needed.

Oh man, I'm sorry if I offended you. Your English is great. It's just we all make mistakes sometimes. I still think that in 99% of cases "what goes around comes around" means “as you sow, so shall you reap”, but whatever. At least, thanks to you, now I know that it has another meaning too.

Let's stay on topic, though. Can you explain, why do you think that "if you win too quickly - you would lose that money too quickly, at least the highest chances are that you would lose it"?

Really? It's a psychological issue if you can't control the way you gamble. Being addicted to gambling is a choice and not by coincidence nor a chance that you get addicted to it. At the end of the day, it's you who control your greed on gambling whether or not you wanna get addicted.

In theory you are right,in practice you are not.It is easy to judge from the outside if a person is greedy or not but when you are gambling you do not think with a cool head and you don’t understand that you have become addicted until a big level of addiction is achieved.Therefore saying it is you who are responsible for your choice we would not have any addicted gamblers but the actual fact is that we have many.

Well, that's right, it's actually emotional that forgets our choices when gambling so thinking coldly is not possible. But also not all people make their choices when gambling, whether they should be addicted or not because most beginners only realize this when they have been addicted.

When the limits of gambling have been made and we choose not to become addicted, the biggest problem is our own emotions. We cannot deny emotions when playing but we are able to manage slowly.

Well I agree, its our choice how we treat gambling since we are the only one who can control ourselves. If you let yourself out of control and greedy to win/earn you might really end up an addicted gambler. So before you play think of the reason why you gamble, is it for fun or to earn? If the latter is your answer then refrain yourself from playing because only few people can do this using their skills and not relying alone on their luck.

I don't judge those people mostly because I've been in their shoes many times, and I'm no better than they are in this regard, but I can judge myself, right? So, I think, it was extremely stupid of me to bet again and again, until my balance was zero, waiting for a big win, like I did the other day. In fact what I lost was a little bit more than what I previously won on the same site, but still I feel like I was addicted for more than an hour, and being addicted is a bad thing. But who's fault was that apart from my own? No one was forcing me to continue, so it was completely my fault.

That's what exactly everyone should do. Instead of judging a person, it is better to think of yourself in the same situation to realize that it is not easy to overcome.
It is not stupidity, it is just an action to satisfy your curiousity. The curiousity and possibility of thinking of earning if you play again. It is not easy to overcome these feelings.
It is no ones fault actually. You cannot blame youself just because you still play, you just wanted to play for your own reason.

of course we can blame no one but ourselves because no one forces us to play and lose.the sad part is sometimes we are already winning but since our greed took place we turns out as loser and regret after.
in this the self control must be in the scene and should be applied but the baddest thing is we cannot do it right away,and will take time before achieving .

but whats important is we will never risk the money that must be for our family and only the extra amount we have.

All of us had their personal reasons, and we should respect that in order to show support to every gambler. Responsible gamble always gives a moral support to their fellow players, no blaming or shaming because that's our desire to enjoy money with lucky chances of winning.
Addiction will only dominate a person when he's out of control, but if you're going to be on that stage, you really need to overcome it on your own without seeking other's responsibility.

Each of us has a different reason why do we gambling, commonly they play just for fun and want some excitement while playing. Some people want to gamble because they want to earn extra money while enjoying the game, and that was good because you will not experience any stress by just playing. But there is an unfortunate side in too much addiction we cannot avoid losing, and by this may cause of debt that too hard to pay. It is better to control your self even you love playing gambling.

Drug addict doesn't have a goal. They just want to destroy their lives because they want to. That's their own will and once they started, they don't know how to stop. It's the same in gambling, once you started to lose a lot of money, the determined you want to recover it all. That's when greed will allow you to waste all your money in betting.

To avoid those addictions, at first you should know the possibilities of betting before doing it. Do some research about the advantages and disadvantages of gambling. Also learn how to control emotions in urge of winning more money or recovering all your losses. Learn how to save yourself from greed. If you learned all of that before betting, now you'll prevent loss and addictions

Greed is one of the big factors that gamblers turn to addiction because they aren't able to control themselves. Others might ruin themself and make the worst thing happen. Consequences and outcomes should know gamblers before they will step in into main door of gambling. All forms of addictions are bad so better to stay away while earlier.

The reason behind our gambling does not matter but the thing which is important is our self-control. We should have good control of our emotions and not spend your money if you see you are loosing. People lose more when they invest blindly just to recover the lost. Being an investor we must keep control on emotions and Greed.

I don't know what the statistics are about people who gamble and who become addicted to gambling. But I can talk about the case of my country, so what I follow in my country are very rare cases of people who have become addicted to gambling. That's why I believe the number of people who are addicted to gambling is very small.

Sure.
Money that you don't work hard for is something that you don't appreciate.

Throughout history it has been proven that lottery winners who won the big jackpot have turned their lives to become more miserable than its previous state ... it doesn't imply that people can't be happier with money, of course not - but "easy money" that comes all of a sudden into your life is something that comes with consequences, some of which are ones you cannot imagine before being in that state that has changed your life.

Once you cross that bridge you would see what I'm referring to.

So far I'm good and I like to keep it that way, it's safe and you will not encounter any problem, I don't want to add misery to my life so I'm not putting more money more than what I can afford to lose, once it happens I will be tempted to do it, given the past bad experiences I've had.

Indeed. We cannot eliminate greed, but we can prevent greed before it's become bigger and influence us to continue playing gambling. We know that controlling ourselves will be the way to avoid greed, using too much money, but the problem is that is work for temporary because many people will lose control in a long time in gambling games. So when a gambler still playing gambling more than the usual, then that it's time he should be ready for losing more money. And soon or later, he will become addicted to gambling.

Unfortunately, this eats many gamblers' money when they are gambling and I'm thinking too that controlling yourself when you are gambling is that hard to do.

The best thing to do is to not to gamble at all so that your money will not be lose and you will not be addicted into it but if you really want to, you must know the consequences and risks that you may face if the worst situation happens.

OP is asking about the worst thing you've done about gambling and not your status now,i think you should have mentioned that "Past Bad Experiences" that you had before.anyway its yours if you wanna tell us or not.

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but for me i am always open to tell that i am a former addicted and almost done every stupid addicted gamblers do,but not to the extent that i make bad things to others because i only disturb my family and not from outside the house.

Maybe the worst is when you starts to ask people to have funds in gambling for your own. It doesn't help actually, even if we are certain to have profits or to win, as long as we are exceeding on our limits in gambling or basically to gamble fund that aren't from our own pocket is considered a worst thing to do. I had that one instance in my experience and after losing that money I already realized how bad that decision was so I don't do it again and just share my experience with others.

Very far from being the worst. Asking other people for money to fund one's personal gambling habit is bad enough already but certainly not yet the worst. It could be the start, though. If the gambler cannot have the money by properly asking, it could easily lead to pawning or selling one's properties or assets, or worse stealing or robbing, just like the people involved in the news posted on the OP. This could still grow on a larger scale if not checked. Hell, it could even bring down an entire company, as the OP cited.

It does matter. Because how can you have a better self control if you even disregard the reason behind why you gamble.
It is really hard to have a self control, it is something that we can't achieve overnight or when we said it. So, if you said that we need to have a self control, it is something that we work hard to achieve.

I've read many reports on gambling addiction from various countries, and I can say that you are right in this regard. The number of gamblers who have some type of gambling issue is below 5% almost anywhere, and it is below 3% in many places. So, there is no wonder that if you know 10-20 gamblers, none of them is addicted. That is not to say that it's still a big issue, because millions of people in the world are addicted to gambling.


Everyone of us hopes to cross that bridge one day, and, of course, to not lose all the money quickly afterwards. :) Indeed, I've noticed that too, many people after getting big money (not necessarily form gambling) lose it faster than one would expect. Let's just hope that we can be wiser than that.

Correct, the chance of getting too much involve will happen once you use larger amount of money that you can't afford to lose, the chance of chasing it back when you lose it will start the misery in your life. Gamblers loses controlled when they start betting huge amount and lose it inside the house, thye will keep on trying to win it back which is very difficult to stop when you are already engaged.

Exactly, that's gonna be the worst thing when you're even own money for gambling. I meant how can you handle to lose money that's not yours? Indeed, it will be the worst thing and you'll be even risked your life to go to the jail or even risking your family and house.

Gambling addiction is a serious problem. I know some people who had become really poor from rich due to addiction. My aunt's friend had sold everything, house, car, all of his belongings as a capital for a loan due to gambling addiction. If you can't control your self when gambling, you should not gamble at all. It can break your life and make it miserable.

From where I live... you can hear dozens of similar stories every month. Here the people are not that educated and they get addicted with all sort of things. And it is not just gambling addiction. Some are addicted to alcohol, drugs or even tobacco. The problem occurs when they take loans to cover their debt, mostly from the loan sharks. The individuals in most cases are unable to pay the amount, and in the end the loan sharks start targeting their family members.

It is already a different matter because drugs and alcohol are very influential on health, body, and mind, need to be distinguished between habits and addictions. The consequences of gambling are not more severe because it is more psychological with material and objective thoughts, this can still be cured naturally, especially when they realize they have nothing to facilitate their gambling addiction anymore. Some of them will fall, but most will succeed in recovery, all they do in a conscious state even though sometimes without control.

There are different stories on how a gambler get addicted, but this one might not be like what you have mentioned that happens every month.

its a huge amount of money, I guess only few gamblers can do that and they know they will face serious consequences after that.
if the funds loss were only manageable, the problem might not be that too big, but this is millions of dollars.

Both of them will affect our life the same. Being in addiction will consider it also as habitual actions that a person will do. They are totally out of control and ruining their lives and their family. Drugs and gambling addiction will give nothing to us. Yes, they are of different sources but the result will be the same and lead to us mental disorder of not given a cure. But to think which one is the worst, it probably drugs addiction...it won't give anything in return unlike what will happen to gambling which we could still have a chance to win and make some money.

Even if a person who has never played gambling should never judge gamblers on the basis of this habit only because definitely they are a lot more than this. Indeed it is not wise to do anything in excessive amount because even the right acts can hurt one way or the other when not done in limited amount. The only reason why it is advised to play in limits is to keep oneself safe from destroying.

When we do something excessively, especially in gambling, we will not get a better result because the result can lose the money. It will hurt to feel the loss, but that is what we will get if we are late to stop. Gambling will give you a worse experience if you don't know what you should do in gambling or you don't know how to enjoy it. The result from gambling for a long time will be addicting.

I also had a very close relative who is a gambling addict he majors in playing pools which eventually lead his disastrous state of living having used his pension and sold some of his properties like car and a house to play  pool expecting to win millions of dollars but eventually loss I had really learnt some lessons from their ways of life thus to desist from any form of gambling addictions which can ruin ones life and lead to an addict leaving in a miserable life.  Although I do gamble but I only spend the money I can afford to lose thus it's doesn't hurt me an inch if I lose.

For a gambler to reach this point is really worst, they really need some medication or support from their friends and family. Losing money and your temper in gambling is natural but doing this kind of stuff is out of this world because for me it looks like that the gambler worship gambling too much that leads him to come this far.

I rarely watch news that's why I haven't seen or read this. Any kind of addiction if not treated as soon as possible will lead into insane doing. That's a lot of money he stole especially in 3rd world country. That's the worst i've ever seen. One of the reason why I don't want to go in physical casino is because of this effect. The addiction or effect of playing physically is on another level. You're going to feel it more emotionally and you are more eager to comeback.

This incident could be regarded as one of the worst situations that have ever occurred in the history of gambling. I agree to your decision of avoiding physical casinos because it always includes a risk of one’s life. Hence to play safe and ensure your personal safety must be a priority for all who are involved in it. Gambling addiction has become common nowadays therefore one should remain careful before getting into any of the available streams.

That's a fact, if you are playing with the tangible things such as real casino, and with real people, you could feel worse if you lose, and you could feel so much happiness but with fear as well, because you need to put yourself into safety with huge amount that you could win.

Though, the problem is the addiction. If you play and you lose, then stop, if you play and you win, then stop as well. That principle is what we can consider to save your money at the same time, could help you be disciplined.

I like this principle and I hope all gamblers are like this. You should know when to stop and should have a limitation. Gambling addictions are the worst part of your life if you have this. The fact that there are gamblers who are very greedy and they don't stop unless they can't cover their losses but instead of chasing money, it will end up losing everything. Because as what I have noticed, the more you stay on gambling site the more of chances that you probably lose.

Sometimes they are beyond saving, an addicted gambler that reached this part of his life is where they are angry whenever they are in control with someone, even if it is their family, they don't want to be save, they just want to express how frustrated they are and they don't know anymore what to do because of their losses that's getting on their head every time.

They could be rehabilitated but it is going to take a lot of time, the worst thing that could happen is if they already gave up fighting for themselves.

Gambling addiction is not a simple issue. There are many gambler who became addicted in gambling because they do not have self control. They do not know what they are doing and also they are no limitation in playing. Not controlling your feelings and your emotions very well can lead to addiction. Many gambler who addicted to gambling are now bankrupt because they cannot stop playing in gambling sites.

That means if you gamble there's a possibility to become addicted if you cant control yourself when playing or you dont have limit in money and time to spend when you gamble. So how to prevent this from happening? Knowing the risk and possible consequences are important then apply it when you gamble.

The more one stays on gambling sites, the more false opportunities he sees for making money in short time and all those opportunities are simply temptations. They are there to make him play more and lose more money to the owners. As you said, gambling shall be played only when you want to kill your time or enjoy the game. It shall never be played with intentions of making money because easily earn money goes easily.

That's not the main problem, the problem is how can you make easy money in gambling, and the problem with us is that we assume gambling gives easy money where in fact we are the ones who are giving them easy money, its quite the opposite TBH.

The main reason why he tried to do that is because of the losses he got from the casino itself and he want to do a revenge thru burning it which is a bad move for him. This is what a gambler can do if they are severely addicted into gambling.

The gambler needs help from psychiatrist and his relatives too because his gambling addiction is at its worst right now. This is why I don't want to gamble because I don't want that gamble will eat my mind and will do bad things around me.

And the fact that people hide the truth because they dont want to be judged. Just ask yourself, if someone was an addicted gamblers running through debts, would they want this reality to known to their friends? No. They would want to seem rich and famous. So their friends who are less informed would take it that gambling is worth the time and profitable giving them a false conclusion.

However this does not mean that there are people who only fake the truth. Many realize that gambling in the long term has got very less good effects on your bankroll and health. They preach that to those they care about too.

Gambling addiction is very bad and very difficult to get rid of. We can easily say that it is the worst type of addiction, especially when it is necessary to compare with other addiction types. On the other hand, this type of addiction, which has a very serious damage effect, not only materially but also morally, has unfortunately survived many people's lives. Due to this addiction, there are various bad events such as separation, rejection from adoption, friendship deterioration and being a thief, causing many people to find suicide in some cases. Gambling should only be played for fun and one must protect himself from addiction.

The real issue is that you never know exactly the time when you are getting addicted to gambling. Everyone tries to gamble in the beginning just for fun but end up in getting addicted. Of course people don’t want to waste their energies on an addict to make him or her normal person. They need therapies and even their families support them only in the start. No one is ready to pay for their therapies. This is why separations happen.

Well, that is tough, imagine you're pretending that you have no intentions of making money but you are playing gambling, and it's not like the house could see through your mind, so what is the point, right?


I agree, though that is very lame mindset, thinking that you could make money in gambling and using the word "easy" is so inappropriate when we are talking gambling. In my part, I am not a gambler but of course I already tried playing DICE, after few rolls, we are really going to think it that way, that we could make money out of it, then we raise our bets, we doubled it, maybe even tripled, and we lost.

The problem is that we make decisions in the wrong time, because we bet small and we win, we bet big, but we lost, so annoying, and it is because the randomness of the house edge, can't predict it.

There is no such time. More like a period. There are some signs, like taking time out from friends and family to gamble, taking money from savings and emergency funds to spend on gambling, fights with spouse for gambling etc. :D

Not all of them. Some understand that it is making them addicted and stop gambling. Its rare but it can happen if you have the willpower.

During the first stages of addiction friends and family can play an active role in the de-addiction process but the person needs to use their own willpower and determination too. However in later stages rehab becomes necessary.

Therefore it's really necessary that as a gambler we should let our family aware of what we are doing as in the end if we face some problem, they are the first that we can call and willing to help us without any condition.

gambling addiction could become worst like what OP put as an example, but we should avoid that, we are gambling to enjoy, win some money and not to ruin our financials just because of our stupid action which is gambling without discipline.

My family is strict so I do not let know what I am doing. My family see gambling as bad activity or a vices so they will let me stop if I will let them know what I am doing. I do not know why for me it is better if I will hide to then that I mostly playing in many gambling sites. I fully control my emotions and my feelings and I do not have any intention to become a gambing addict.

No contact in gambling would help, to be in prison is a big suffering of anyone who commit a big offense and maybe that would help for him to realize that he have done a big mistake due to gambling addiction. However, being in prison is different compared to being in a rehab that the purpose is to help people with gambling addiction to get out from it, in prison, you just serve in years and it depends on a person if he will change or not. 

We cannot make easy money in gambling, and even we can get addicted to gambling. We should know the risk so we can think not to use gambling to search for easy money because we never found that. If you think that gambling can give you easy money and you still playing gambling, you can see that in the end, you will be addicted to gambling. And once you addicted to gambling, you will realize that it is the worst thing that you should find a way to solve the problem.

and that is the bad concept of people for gambling,they always looking as the last resort to make double their money so in the end?they are failing and instead of gaining they are losing everything.

sometimes losing their money and at worst losing their family and friends because gambling can change our attitude and behavior,from a good person to a shit one.so yeah never look for gambling as money machine instead look at this as robber that can take your money at any time.

They have psychological issues not behavior ones that prison will serve them for the right purpose. Prison will rather as you mentioned escalate the addiction. They need to be in some rehabilitation center where their addiction is analyzed and they are given treatments along with therapies that could help them in overcoming the bad thoughts they have. They are not criminals rather they shall be treated as mental patients.

I agree,  but somehow, putting them in jail while they are being rehabilitate is also a good thing for them to know their limits. They need help but also they need to be discipline in the right way and in the most humane ways, instead of torturing them alone by sending them in jail with their respective punishment, it will just makes things worst that could result in more addiction and rebellion phase of a person.

For them, everywhere is a prison if they can't freely do whatever they wanted to do, but it is the best for them so I would also suggest sending them in mental hospital instead of being imprison in years without any help of medication and therapy.

But we see that many people to do that even if they realize the risk or the consequences. They want to make money from gambling, but that will not easy as they thought because they will lose more and even everything. The losing of their money will bigger than before because they will spend more money without thinking of limiting money. We should stop playing gambling before we are late to realize, and we can stop from losing the money.

It's rare to treat patients that has gambling addiction issue. Usually, those who are addicted in gambling in which they have nothing left to gamble due to their lack of control became miserable already and they have no money to pay for the treatment then. Also, the problem in ascertaining that is people who have that issue doesn't act suspicously. Usually the keep secret for themselves which makes person who are valuable or close to them difficult to know their siutation. I think with just keeping do other things can help more for them rather than putting them in facilities. It's a difficult task but still doable at the end.

I wonder what specifically the person gamble on? The article did not mention it unfortunately. I guess he gambled on stock hoping to make quick profits and return back what he took. Both Op post and the article sound like he took the  huge sums of money and spent it in a casino or something. Taking any kind of risk could be described as gambling, I guess.

Well yes not knowing the result of your actions are sort of gambling too because you take a risk. I consider investing as gambling as well for the reason there's no assurance if you will earn though its an edge if you have knowledge about it.

If we gamble its a must to know the possible consequences after playing because most of the time gamblers are losing more than winning. Its hard to lose but if you're already prepared for the risk of losing then you wont think of chasing your money back.

My wild guess is that the person gamble on a casino in the Philippines. Three big casino's are within Manila and I'm sure he played on three of them.

The gambler took money throughout the years and no one new about it because he is clearly manipulating the books and it's already too late with them found out thru audit.

It hurts when we read this type of things as that person would be now busted and would not have anything left or would have lost huge amount of money. He forgot the basic rules itself that never bet or borrow money from others for such stuff and he did exactly the same thing. Also going big on such things can lead to heavy losses unless you can afford such loss never do such kind of things.

It was actually a casino, according to his confession. Found that on another site:
https://business.inquirer.net/282716/50-year-old-ph-stock-brokerage-shuts-down

Well, I am surprised someone in his position  would do such thing. He started siphoning things gradually since 2011. It definitely sounds like addiction.

Every gambling player I think is aware of what risks they will get. The biggest risk in gambling is defeat, the greater the loss, the greater the cause they become financially worse. Many people are too optimistic to take advantage when playing gambling, but they will forget that the biggest gambling secret is defeat. Play well, but we also have to be good at managing finances, because losing & winning is a must in gambling.

Yes, they are aware of the risk, but after they play another round, they forget to that risk, and they spend too much money without thinking about the chance to get lost. The big risk in gambling is hard to defeat, but we can prevent another loss if we don't stop. So before you lose more money, it is better you can stop yourself from playing gambling, and you will have a chance to save your money.

From the very start they are already aware of the risk but they are not afraid of taking risk that is why they are gamblers.
When they gamble more and more and they keep losing most of the time, that' gives a challenge to them and they don't give up, that makes them addicted because they are up to the challenge and failed to use their mind and let their emotion take control on them.

Exactly. And when emotion is left to dominate within a person for a long time, he will go crazy. His sense of reason will die and he will commit unimaginable atrocities just like what the OP has mentioned in this post. Those people are dead crazy already. There is no single reason within them probably. A reasonable person cannot commit those crimes.

Indeed, they are having some psychological problems, and needed to be asess by professionals , gambling is good for fun, and for creating money, but in moderation because if not, it will only lead to a bigger problem that can affect not only themselves, but also to those people who are in their environment. Addiction is too hard to stop, especially if it is too long before that person is aware that he is addict. Family and friends should help him and distract him with other things.

Gambling addiction is worse and it also hard to control but I'm the type of person that believes prevention is always better than cure because if a gambler is aware of addiction consequences such gambler won't dare put what he/she precious most on the line. Therefore, i think gambling company needs to showcase on their site proper awareness to their users.

They feel it's too difficult to control themselves, and the passion for playing gambling will always be there. That makes them play more and more without thinking about what will happen later. They accept the risk, they use more money, and in the end, they lose their money, but they will difficult to recover the lost. If they lose, they feel that it is a challenge how they can get the money back.

There are many other types of patients in rehabilitation centers but gambling addicts are damn less in numbers. Those who basically are under the supervision of families or are dependent on their families for financial supports, they cannot hide their addiction because families do take report of their expenses but those who are themselves the heads of family, they are the ones whose addiction make things worse and they are rarely taken to doctor.

What do you mean by that, gambling company needs to do the same with cigarettes business where they've place pictures of sick person and an slogans that's said "cigarettes smoking is not good for your health" not sure if that will happen, as casino house wanted gamblers to keep playing and keep chasing for their lucky day. It's people's mindset that needs to be changed to avoid heavy addiction.

That's an example of addiction we should all avoid.
He didn't just risk his money but also he stole money from the company that he is working and this is even worse... But those people who are working in Stock and trading companies are the biggest gamblers of all...

Without emotions, the game and spent time don't become enjoyable, from my experience. People should walk to the casino with the idea of having fun, thinking strategies on the mind and applying money management will take the energy which can be used for spending a good time. Some online gambling sites have a time-limit function, if the gambler wants to limit his spent time, adjusting the time will be enough to block the account's access to site temporarily.

Yes addiction is in our hands but in the initial stage as in the start we can have control on our games our emotions and on our money if in the start we decide the timing of our games and we decide that how much will we spend and will not spend any other amount of money which will harm us then we can do while if we get the start without any planning and limits then we will continue like that and a time will come when we will continue to play without any control and will be fully addicted.

gambling addiction is not a severe mental illness that must be entered into a psychiatric facility, the best way to cure gambling addicts is to do hypnotherapy.  I have personally visited hypnotherapy to reduce my addiction to smoking, and there I saw many patients who have other illnesses (phobias, game addiction, hypersexual, and others) that are being treated or are almost cured.

Indeed, it is the worst gambling addiction and is very blind to using his common sense amid the pressures that occur. Anyway, when gambling has become the main source of income then of course it is the wrong choice and gambling addicts should still prioritize wiser and more reasonable mindset so that whatever pressure is received at least the addict still has good control with a healthy mindset.

I think hypnotherapy can solve the addicting problem because that method is working in the subconscious mind, so it will give a command to our mind, body, and soul that gambling is not good for our life. Maybe people who have an addict to gambling can try this method, and they need to trust the psychiatric that they will help that person to solve the problem. I think that it is worth to try if they really want to have a good mind, and they want to cure addicted to gambling.

hypno ? it means that you will be hypnotize by some things like for example pendulum  ? 

but did the effect only good for short term only   ?  later on you will be awaken from being hypnotize so i dont think that its a good way to cut your addiction  . i think medication is still the best or by taking prescribe drugs that are specifically formulated to cure mental illness such as addiction   .  gambling addiction can be severe or not depending on the patient  .

Luckily I or my close people have not faced such gambling addictions, nothing I have heard of but there was an uncle in my neighborhood, must be around early 50 years who lost most of his savings on gamble. He got so addicted to the the gains & overspending that he could not foresee what he is getting into. Eventually, he lost his family too.

That is sad to hear but that not happened only to him I have heard and saw a number of people like that. They do not care for their family and they lose all of their money in gambling and they even lose that money which will make the future of their family so if he will lose the base of their family then their family members are not at wrong to leave that place and to find another strong support.

Gamblers are not only the ones whom we see in land casinos or on online casinos rather there are many other professions which do much similar to gambling. Stock exchange controllers also act like gamblers and are even worse than gamblers. They have greed that is never satisfied and they don’t fear exploiting anyone. This person needs to stay at rehabilitation center if he is involved in stealing money for gambling.

Yes if you are having gambling as your main source of income you will have to play it accordingly.  There are some people who become addicted from gambling they may lose money in this addition so better keep control of your emotions and don’t bother to invest uncountable money For gambling, just control yourself when you feel the addiction to gambling.

You both might be right with your statement but i still believe you both underestimated gambling addiction spirit cause it can't be control that easy unless the person who's addict is help by someone he love. However, there's nothing bad in having gambling as ones main income if gambler is totally maintain his gambling limit and take a break when gambling either..

This is not that easy as you've thought. Control yourself when you feel that you addicted to it? No, you can't tell that, other people do. When you are addicted to someone, you can't feel anything but pleasure to your addiction, you can't stop it that easily. If you can control yourself, you will never be addicted in the first place.

This is quite hilarious,.. how can anyone control himself when he is already addicted.

The thing to do here is to control ourselves for us not to get addicted because when we are in the situation that we are already addicted, the read problem will come and we won't be able to control anymore. That situation, we need some help from people who truly cares for us to eliminate that addiction.

I would like to share story of my younger brother who got hooked on Texas Hold ‘Em when we were growing up, playing online from the age of about 17. He also signed up with a fake profile, to get around the over-18 rule. I saw him sink countless hours and dollars into that game, all with the unwavering belief that he could win it back. During that time, a real breakdown in communication developed between us and I noticed a personality change in him.
He soon started asking mother for the money, saying that he’d pay her back, then we realized he’d been losing more than he could afford.

But before we already got addicted, we can't know if we will

The meaning is that as far as controlling our actions and behavior is concerned, we should avoid gambling altogether (if we don't want to find out). To put it differently, if we started to gamble and have a propensity and natural tendency to turn into a gambling addict sooner or later, it can be too late to try to exert that control. On the other hand, if we are not to become a compulsive gambler, what is to control here as we are already always in control by default?

I think it is better to say that “we must control our emotion,and limit our desire” on this way we will prevent our self from becoming addicted .

And also the quotation that “Prevention is better than Cure” ,if we know about this then maybe in more appropriate way we can survive sustaining our gambling habit without becoming addicted.

So let us be preventive that desiring for our own safeties .

@Russlenat, the power of gambling buzz is big and hard to control more than you can ever imagine and allow gamblers who take their time to study and understand the genuinely concept of gambling usually take the right cautions in controlling their buzz.
@deisik, gambling is not made for everyone especially people that can't control emotion, accept fate and can't view gambling as a game of chance.
I don't understand what you mean by in control by default, the game or fund?

I think something like that because I never see the real Hypnotherapy before. Maybe you can search and watch on Youtube. But it works in the subconscious mind, so the therapist needs to meet the addicted gamblers, and that person could be hypnotized. I think if that can solve the problem, then that person could try to cure his addicted forever. Medication can also a way to prevent the addicting, but he needs to have a teacher who can teach him to meditate.

Indeed, we should put all things in moderation so that, it would not be result to addiction, addiction is too much and it can be so hardly to control but if we want we can avoid that and also we need to enjoy our gamble, we should balance our expenses also, do not put all your asset in gambling and do not be frustrated by loses in our game.

That is the bad thing for which people are saying that gambling addiction is not good. Just think a person do not do much bad if he is spending more time of his day in gambling because of his love to it while if he continue to lose the money of his family and after that he start to steal the money of other people and getting money using other bad habits then it create a bad society around him and result in crimes which comes due to worst addiction.

Let’s not compare gambling and investing which are in no way similar to each other, according to the news he was part of an investment company that has been around for 5 decades and you do not get to be in the market for that long unless you are making money for your clients, while this is a story about the dangers of gambling and becoming addicted to it, it should also be a reminder of being very careful about which person you trust with your money and that is even more true in the market of cryptocurrencies.

And don't be desperate to attain huge profits as you gamble. This will lead somebody to have that desperate call and also if he's losing much. Addiction starts with the urge of what you want to get back and achieve and that's happening in gambling.

Achievement that you want to get in such furious manner will trigger you with the wrong way. Balancing and knowing your boundaries, if the money doesn't belong to you then don't show any interest of using it or even borrowing it. Gamble with your money, not with others.

And yes! Frustrations and desperations are the starting cause of this things , the result of it is addiction, some of us may say that they are not gambling addict they are just want to play and get back what they have been losing , continuing to play just for you to get what you've lost is addiction , we should accept any result of our game and make a good strategy in the next  game.

Gambling addicts are most likely the people who often lose money in gambling. Sometimes they win but the losses that they experiencing are massive. They so desperate to regain the losses that they did and that is why they are became gambling addict. In order to overcome of being gambling addict, a person shouls have commitment in order to lessen and fully stop gambling.

I have seen people who gamble just to make money and lose out money and then again borrow money from others in anticipation that they would be able to recover the lost amount from the gambling. This may not necessary happen and then they find it difficult to return money back to the borrower.

Well, you can't control the game as it is a game of chance (say, dice)

And there is nothing you can control since if you could control the odds, they wouldn't be odds anymore, right? Regardless, what I mean is that if we don't have a pathological inclination for or an incurable obsession with gambling (read, we won't become gambling addicts no matter how long we play or how much we lose in the process), we don't have to consciously control ourselves

In other words, the control which gambling addicts lack is already hard-wired in us, and we don't have to exert it against our feelings or desire. We just stop playing at the right time and it comes off natural, so we don't have to force ourselves to halt. This is likely the best way we should play games of chance, while truly enjoying them and without suffering any dramatic consequences and aftereffects (think hangover here)

It is an addiction when you're trying to retrieve most of your losses and this is the reason why many doesn't seem to be firm with their decision of quitting. It's because when they think of their losses, they are feeling sorry of how big they've made.

Accepting is a must and if there's a struggle on that part, think of something that you can do to avoid or stop yourself from going into addiction.

Its very hard to control our self once we get addicted on gambling because addicted is the one i know that is getting worse when getting addicted in gambling. So many people are getting addicted in gambling because they want to get more money and some are enjoying play even they are losing there money.

In the start it is not hard for any person to control our self if any person who will start gambling will think for their family members and they will also think for their money and will make a planner for their gambling then they will not be addicted and whenever they will play they will care to not lose too much money and will not spend the whole day in gambling.

If gambling experience is worst people who feeling such thing they should move from gambling field and search for different option to make the profit with their investment.
Most of the investors in gambling field are very greedy or make fun with their investment.

Gambling as investment needs a lot more skills in controlling your emotions, best to engaged with other kinds of business instead of keeping yourself
being stressed each time you losses your money. Greed is the number one killer of each gamblers, people who doesn't know how to act accordngly
always find themselves being addicted and loses much of their savings.

I have seen one of relative succumbing to his gambling addiction. His addiction got so worst that he started taking loan , left his job and also started going away from home for days to chase his luck to win. Later all he was left with was debt and dues. Fortunately his kids were settled enough to support their mom and protect their properties else the bank would have siezed that too

Although many fall prey to gambling platforms based on their greediness. Having gambling addiction is the most dangerous addiction that could lead to total crash which could lead to a gambler death. Have seen many gamblers that died because of their careless attitudinal approach to gambling. Gambling is one of the investment that could produce fast and reliable prohrams. Gambling can bring a good ROI.

In some cases that we ask loans in order to have funds for gambling. It gonna be worsened the situation having like this and it sometimes they commit illegalities, robbery in order to sustain their needs. Gambling addiction could ruin everything your self and it happens already.
For we still have time to change it, better do it now seriously not just by talks but it need immediate action.

Gambling is for entertainment and fun, yes. Gambling isn't really for some normal persons 'cause probably they will get addicted to it and most likely, their lives will be ruined. Actually, you're lucky enough to have relatives that knows the reality inside a casino so you and your family will be aware of it. It is true that most of the time, people always getting addicted when they feel satisfaction.

They should have control and have limitations on each thing to avoid addiction. There are many things where we can feel satisfaction, not only in gambling so I hope they learn it early.

Addiction is very severe, and needed to be stop. We should control ourselves on everything, if we will be addicted expect that other lives will be affected as well. We need to control our money and also our emotion. That is the best thing to do, if we lose accept that fact that not all day we will win, as what other says win some, lose some.

If you are already in the situation of being addicted, saying controlling yourself is too hard.
You will need professional help on this matter if you want to change for the better.
Because if you will act alone, the temptations will always be there and you will find yourself coming back again and again to what you are.
You should not be ashamed of asking for help if you think you need to overhaul your lifestyle.

That is right. Once we become addicted, we will hard to leave gambling because our mind will always think about gambling, and we will play even if we only have little money. Addicted to gambling can make us borrow some money from other people because we can feel that our luck comes, and that makes us play every time. And in the long term, we will not have a chance to get out of gambling, we will want to play more and more, and even if we win, we want to play again because sometimes winning is not stop us from playing gambling.

only when there is no more capital that can be used to play gambling, and facts that force to get money only for family needs. this is enough for shock therapy and aroused common sense in uncomfortable situations that can get rid of my addiction instantly. many lessons to be taken where must always prepare a separate capital in various purposes, including gambling.

I agree with this.

Becoming addicted in gambling is the one of the worst addictions out there because if you are addicted into it, it will be very hard for you to stop it and the risks that you can face keeps growing. This is the main reason why I don't gamble too much and I'd spend more of my time playing online games rather than gambling because I don't want to get addicted into it. Once or twice every 1 to 2 weeks is enough for me for gambling. For those gamblers out there, just stop gambling and focus on your family.

Rather than asking for help, better find a person who is close to you. Myself suffered big out of gambling, finally out of more confusion requested for help. By then shared my worst experience with my Girl friend. She asked me to start from the beginning, and I shared each and everything with her. This gave me relaxation, and slowly I recovered.

Addiction to things that are unprofitable is actually not a good thing. People should rather choose to be "addicted" to things without "side effects". Do such things even exist in our world? Well, I know one thing that has no side effects if done in excess: serving the CREATOR.
So, we should be more engaged in things that have lesser/no side effects.. and engage less in things with more side effects.

Counseling is the best way to overcome the addiction in gambling, seek for help in help that have profession in psychology. But if you are afraid to go in psychiatrist then it is better if you will share your problems in your relatives and friends. I also experience addiction in gambling, but I overcome it because my family and my friends helped me.

More like he has some kind of mental thing killing is more of different aspects. Gambling addiction is more like going for it and losing all of your money in the game.
Also, I think it was the cause of depression or maybe he already loses everything this kind of thing is what makes a lot of people to do crime more likely.

If we think that it could be taken out easily, maybe we are wrong. Even if we have some rehabilitiation projects for gambling addicts, they might still end up even selling their families furniture and appliances to have something to bet on because their addiction is now on the top. I think to make it stop, we need to make them suffer in a sense that they could feel there's no one they could rely into but we secretly still there to help them to change.

This is a dangerous move. To let the addict suffer is to push him into a more desperate situation. And to push an addict into the corner is to make the situation much worse. Remember that an addict is already suffering enough. We need to respond to it accordingly. We need to ask the help or assistance of a professional to intervene. There is of course a professional way of rehabilitating a gambling addict.

Addiction works kind of the same way for everything, not just gambling. If you study the science it is actually chemistry. When we gamble, something in our brain is released that makes us feel happy and excited (and when we lose it makes us panic and loses rationale).

Like any addiction, we need help from others to help prevent us from falling back into the bad habit. Friends and family. Cold turkey works only if you really have a support system around you.

Those are just a couple of very extreme examples and it's like comparing the very few maniacs who get in a car and mow people down or the idiots who get insanely drunk or have a drug-bender and then kill their wife or something and then holding them up as examples of how bad cars or alcohol/drugs are. The key with anything potentially addictive is moderation. If you do something that is potentially addictive everyday and it starts to consume your life then you're probably going to develop a problem at some point and you're probably engaging in such behaviour to try numb out some sort of personal issue you have or lack of enjoyment or purpose in life much like drug addicts do as they're self-medicating for their problems. People who get addicted to gambling are probably also constantly chasing that buzz of the adrenaline of winning. The guy who bankrupted his employer's company by stealing millions is just insane to me and it must just be the buzz of winning that he craves rather than actually wanting to acquire wealth because instead of gambling it away he could have just kept the millions he stole and ran off with that and lived a happy - or at the very least a comfortable - life. Gambling has always just been a form of entertainment to me and makes sports much more interesting. I only really gamble on the weekend on the football and I always stick to my limits and when the seasons over I stop until the next one. I don't really bet that much but I keep a track of my wins/losses and am actually a few thousand pounds in profit since I started. Only about £240 this year though:

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but I was well over £1000 last year:



I've never felt like I was not in control but just treat gambling as a bit of fun, stick to your limits and don't chase your losses. If you feel like you're starting to get pulled in to a habit then take a break and go find something productive to do to occupy your mind so you're not thinking about gambling. Same with drink or drugs really. If you do them once in a while or just on the weekend then you're unlikely to develop a problem but when you start to do them more and more and they start to take over your life then that's when it starts to become a habit and you should quit before it does.

Yes, I already did that. And even I tried to play once a month before, and that work for me. I tried to look up my family, and see that they need me in the circle of the family, so that makes me decide to reduce my time in gambling. So far, I am okay with playing gambling or leave gambling for a while because gambling is not the important thing for me. Gambling is for having fun and play some bet if I want to know my luck.


Those things exist in our world without we realize. The side effect will appear after we decide, and that effect will give you negative effects in the long term. Serving the CREATOR will be an exception because he is our CREATOR. At least, we can search for a positive impact than to get a negative effect, so we do not get the bad thing too.


We must realize that gambling addiction will not help our life, and it will give the worst thing, not just for us but also for our family. When someone addict to gambling, his brain will let him think about how to win gambling over and over. But the truth, he cannot get that win without help from the luck. If we can get support whenever we played gambling, I guess that we can avoid the addicting to gambling.

If only gamblers can do their individual win/loss tracking also, they might start to realize how much money they've already burned on the table.

I assume you are gambling on a single site only?

I cannot do the tracking myself because I am gambling here and there. A little online bet here, another on a lottery outlet there, another on a scratch to win stub, one NBA bet against a workmate, etc. Win/loss tracking is now impossible to do.

if only we will realized earlier?but the thing is we need to lose too much first before we finally accept the fact that gambling is not reliable if we are seeking for profit.
you dont need to track your win or loss,instead you have to find out how much you can afford to lose that wont affect your real life,or your future.

My point is that the accumulated amount has more impact than the smaller ones that you can easily burn at the gambling table. 100$ is an amount you can easily afford to lose. But the point is that how many 100$ have you been burning away because of your gambling losses? If you go home knowing that on that day you only lost 80$, you will not be going home in pain. But if you add everything up in the past 5 months and you will see 2,500$ in gambling losses, then perhaps that will remind you to moderate more your gambling expenses.

Arguably an addict, but I can control myself. I do not know if I am a gambling addict, for sure I sometimes like gambling because it increases adrenaline, and even then I do if I have some leftover money and I do not dare to do things like what you demonstrated where to sell my property and shares.

Or won  :D. Keeping track of your profit/loss would be advisable, though if you've lost a lot it might be depressing to think about, though perhaps also a wake up call that you should change your habbits or quit. I think a good rule of thumb is just to work out how much you are ok with on spending on entertainment. A football match in the UK probably costs £30+ as does an average meal out at a restaurant. Are you ok with risking/losing £30 a week? If so, then maybe stick to that as your weekly bankroll. If you lose it's no biggie but win or lose hopefully the entertainment value is worth it.


Yeah, I only use Skybet. It's easier to keep track of things that way. Some bookies do have better odds but they're pretty much one of the only sportsbooks I've found that give you a free bet every week (£5 free bet if you stake £25 in bets and £25 is usually my limit every week). Skybet also do great 3 fold accumulator price boosts on the 3'o clock Premier League kick offs which is what tend to bet on so I often put them on.


It's not impossible, but takes a little effort. You could just use a spreadsheet to keep track of your expenditure/earnings. I keep my balance on the site so I can always see how much I'm up or down easily. I used to put my bankroll for the entire season in my account at the start with the logic that if I lost it then I'd just cut my loses and quit. Luckily that never happened and I've just kept the money in my account and used that as my bankroll for the next season and so on. For some this might not be possible if they need the money but if you use a bookies that shows you your profit/loss then you wouldn't need to do this anyway.



True, but you could also do the same with many other things in life. How much money do people waste on clothes, pizzas, coffee, subscriptions, trinkets, accessories, games and so on? I think the key is whether the behavior becomes toxic or not and whether it adds enjoyment to your life without breaking the bank.

addiction is bad , people get addicted fast to which they get instant fun and enjoyment and they want to repeat them because its easy to repeat and if they win they think of doing it more , we should control our addiction before it makes things worst

addiction is actually good if done on positive things, but when addicted to negative things will eventually be broken, even though there is a chance to get more money, but still we will be miserable in the end. actually we can still enjoy playing gambling without having to get addicted, changing the mindset can be done so that we are not addicted.

I believe that anything that has an addiction word in it is bad because even you know that addiction can be in a positive way if it's too much it is still bad in the end and of course gambling also I personally witness and experience the addiction in gambling, way back 2017 my friend and I discover a gambling game in internet that has crypto services, and we invite more of our friends and to tell you I regret doing that thing because we all become addicted and end up regretting everything because of losing many things in our life luckily I get through to it, but my other friends didn't they continue and eventually gone broke. So my point is yes, gambling is entertaining, especially if a person has a discipline and good control, but for those who dont, it will be bad, so if we know someone, then we must do everything we can to pull them on that addiction.

Agree with you it’s not good to get addicted to anything in this world because everything gives profit and benefit in the limit. If you are earning from gambling then it’s a good thing but you must have emotions strength so whenever you want you can stop gambling. We should better give time to our family or in useful natural activities as you said like planting or saving creators.

You think that those who are addicted to gambling must be left alone so that they would suffer all the damage that they have brought .But it is not applicable for everyone because each person has his or her own emotional limits. There are people who are easy to be tackle or rehabilitated through sympathy .Hardships of life are not easy to be eradicated but it is possible through the support of family and friends .So I think that the addicts must be handed with love.

When people can distract their addiction to positive things, then that will bring a positive result too, and I guess that can have a good impact on other people. But addiction to negative thoughts will give us a bad result, and addicting to gambling is one of the examples.

Changing the mindset will be necessary if that person can open his mind to think about the effect of playing gambling in the long term so he can conclude that he will spend more money without a small chance to make money.

When people are getting enjoyed in what they are doing, tendencies are they are repeating it over and over again because people always to get enjoyed in what they are doing. In gambling, if you are having fun in doing it there is a chance that you are getting addicted into it since you want to do it again.

There are many ways for a person to be enjoyed and gambling is just one. Why don't we spend our time in different activities where it can also give fun too. Spending time with families and travelling is one, playing online games with your friends is another one. There are many ways to be happy :D. Don't spend your time and money in gambling because you can get addicted into it.

Thanks for sharing this. It sounds a nice betting site for me. I was thinking you are using the site your avatar is promoting. ;)


Sounds smooth and cool and a little geeky. But that's definitely the right way of doing it. Which may not really be my cup of tea.


I guess moderation is the key. Gambling will not be an exception, just like beer and shoes. ;)

Gambling addicts are not easy to be handled .I have witnessed such cases where a person is always ready to sale his house just to ensure a recovery of the loss he has faced in the past through big win. But unfortunately it does not become possible most of the time just because of depression .Addicts could survive if they are provided the paths for monetary benefits.

selling house ? lol wtf . i cant imagine if what he will end up when he loose . where will he live  ? its okay if he is alone and dont have a family because he can go anywhere but if he had a family thats a hassel  . i tried to become addicted on gambling once and it comes to my mind that what if i sell my phone or other gadgets so that i can gamble again  ? but luckily i didnt do it because i still think about the risk of loosing them all and the cycle will only repeat until i sell all what i got . that is the addiction at it worst   .

Gambling addiction can make someone don't want to leave the games, and he wants to play more and more. He can lose everything he has, and he will not have a chance to recover his losses because gambling is not a way to make money or recovering his money. Gambling will not just make someone go to death, but his family will also feel the pain from that person. His family will be sad if they know that they lose that person too. Only a few people can get benefits of gambling, and that people will have good control for themselves.

Indeed, addiction is very severe, it really affects the life of each user so much, and it will affect others too, gambling is not really bad, it is depends on the gambler on how we interact and how we dealt with every winning and losing of our game, we need to put all in moderation and make all things be in our control, most espcially ourselves in which we need to take care , our emotions can affect our gameplay.

It is not just about the gambler himself

After all, everyone decides for himself what to do with their life. But with gambling and being addicted to it, it is more like heavy drug addiction as the junkie doesn't just make his own life miserable but also the lives of people around him (family, friends, colleagues if there are any)

And it can be in the same vein with gambling addiction, but gambling addiction is still somewhat better as it doesn't damage the body and the brain as much as a heavy use of drugs does, physically destroying the person and his character. It is fully reversible, and there is a way back in case of gambling even if it requires a lot of effort

Every thing remains good if we use it moderately but if we will start access use it can harm us and we can become addicted that’s why we should use gambling  but in limit and try not to be affected as a gambling addicted spend limited time in gambling and spend other for other activities. When you think you can control yourself only then jump in gambling.

In gambling, the word addiction could either be bad or good for a certain person, if he is making profits then it is good, but if don't, then it is bad, to make your story short, I'm going to give a summarized opinion of mine.

The word addiction is not entirely a bad thing, it depends on where you are going to use it, since there are bad and good addiction. The difference is that, the term "addiction" will only be called literally addiction that cause bad to people is when they are doing things that are not benefiting them, like for example is continuously playin gambling even though they are losing, that is addiction, but, the using it in a positive way in playing gambling is called a profession, not an addiction if you are making money out of it.

After death his family really feel extreme pain but gambling addiction at worst is a thing which also create the issues for the gambler family and he continuously give pain to his family by spending their money on gambler. Many times he steal money from his home and the bad situation comes to the family when he start to steal money from other people.

You examined the mind set of the real gamblers I believe because I don't see that much heavy screwed and Crooked mind cryptocurrency gamblers ever here in this forum or elsewhere.
If we want to skip the gambling industry it is purely based on the mindset and mental power of that person.
I simply suggest other play gambling until get bored when you have more money if you don't have simply ridoff from that.

It will be a must , we need to put everything in moderation , I experienced it myself,last year I gamble and I've lose to many money, I push myself to get back what I already been lost  ,but it only worsten the situation , gladly I did not end up being an addict, because I still have a control in every game and in every budget that I have.

It always depends on the gambler if how they treat the gambling casinos there are some people are addicted to gambling but why they still stand like a normal player. If you can control your addiction it won't become worst.

People who treat gambling as a source of income well that's different it is not a part of addiction because they can control their self to bet large or of they win they will stop to take the profit but for those people treat gambling as a game(Just like a child who addicted on the game) well, those people are addicted and day by day they have become worst that could bet a large amount of money in a single bet/game. If you are in this case it can lead to losing so much money that will end up selling things and property. That's the worst thing for an addicted gambler that treating it as a game.

Then they are probably not addicted to it. They just love gambling because of whatever reasons they've got. They are just there because they can afford to or are having fun or probably have a lot of time to kill.

An addict gambler is not anymore a normal player. You cannot control your addiction. Addiction in the first place is already a disease which renders the victim unable to control his urges. The vice or whatever it is that the victim is addicted to is the one controlling the brain and the body of the victim.

One thing about the gambling addiction that you would not have any consciousness about how you got addicted to it. Many of the players used to come just for fun but the ultimate gambling becomes their addiction. Like all other addiction, it is too much harmful too. When a gambler is gambling with lots of money he is risking his economical status and even of his family. His mind is so diversed by the gambling that his mood becomes very much arrogant.

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That money you've lost can be recovered if you will just focus on your job or work. If you get addicted in gambling? There is no way that it would be easily recovered or even you experiencing any wins at all. Keep gambling in moderation and keep yourself from getting addicted in gambling.

but how can he focus on work when he always wanted is to gamble?lucky that he did not end up addiction and recovers from the mistakes.

mostly it is easy for us to say a word because we are not on the situation but if we will put our feet on their shoes?we will find the hard reality that gambling is really addicting and always had negative effect in everybody's life if we dont manage to control the call of betting.

A person who became curious and hooked into gambling and repeatedly spend his money for gambling can't feel that he is addicted into it because he is having fun gambling. This is the reason why I don't want to gamble too much. I can't control myself when it comes to things like this and I don't want to spend many money into something that is very risky like gambling.

An addicted gambler is more likely spending approximately more than half of his monthly income for gambling. An addicted gambler's priority is gambling and not family or other things. We can't blame them but I hope that they can face the risks in what they are into right now.

Realizing that there's no easy way once you already lose your money and try to recover it back the possible outcome will be another loss.
Keep in mind that in gambling emotions are very important knowing to set your limits and keeps thinking that you can never empty the
house bankroll so better to play to enjoy rather than to play and think for big profits.

Indeed, many people fall into gambling addiction that they don't even feel, their actions always show that they are addicted to gambling but their instincts say they are not addicted and the cause probably always starts from being too confident before starting to gamble, regardless of the consequences and the story being disseminated, many still believe they will be in control. Perhaps people are still not aware of the frightening from gambling, it's not an ordinary game, it is a game of darkness, the more we play, the more we will stick to the dark

Yes, gambling unwittingly will make us addicted, even though what is felt is still in normal circumstances but will trigger to play again which makes him addicted.
because I feel it and try to control it to not play again, but it becomes nonsense and when there is an opportunity will trigger the desire to play again.

Easy for you to say but in reality, you will have a hard time recovering you loss in gambling by focusing on something that you don't want, it will act like a diversion for a while but trust me, if you have a great loss in gambling, you will find yourself playing gambling again and trying to win back your losses, because you can't focus on your work if you are thinking about how you could win in gambling even for once, something like that.

A close uncle of mine used to gamble frequently and soon enough got soo addicted to it that he started taking debt to support his gambling . He even started taking support from his peers without letting them know where he going to put in that money. Soon enough he lost his house , family and moved away without telling anybody around. The family is still looking for him. 

Anyone that shows the sign of arrogance just because they start gambling is specifically arrogant by personality. It may be funny to say, but gambling can also bring out the true character of some people. Some people may be greedy, once they start gambling they display they greedy lifestyle in the game. Same goes with an arrogant person.

This is one of the worst effect of gambling addiction that I've seen.


This is sad.

I hope that one day you'll find your uncle again, I think he's very frustrated of what happened to him and realized that there's nothing for him to show anymore to his family.

I was once invited to a gambling tournament by my friend and went to use his luxury car, we went to the casino at that time. An unexpected thing happened when he lost and got out at the first stage, there were no significant problems until we finally returned home, I was just surprised when finally returning home using the taxi service, it turns out he sold his car to someone because he lost a lot in regular gambling when I continue the tournament. that was the first time I saw a friend with a very acute gambling addiction.

Those arrogant gamblers are most likely prone to losses. They thought that they know all of the information and also the strategies. As a gambler, we should always be humble and not be a arrogant person. A gambler can become arrogant if they got what they desired where they thought that they understand everything. Being a arrogant in gambling can also lead in addiction so we should not become one of those arrogant gambler.

I guess that if you have good control for yourself, you will have a chance to avoid the addicting so you can gamble without worry if you are addicted to gambling. But most people in out there will become to the addicting without they realize, and sometimes they are only playing the games and spend the money, but then they get into deeper into the gambling games. After they realize that they are in the deep of gambling, they will see that the chance for them to get out of gambling will be difficult.

But if they know that they must stop the addicting, they will use many ways to let them free from the addicting, and they will try to ask for help from other people to solve their addicting.

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I'm not sure if arrogance as such has anything to do with either losses or wins

What has, though, is how risky you are. Yeah, I understand that you imply arrogant as synonymous with risky. But, first, you can be risky and reckless as hell without being arrogant (read, as shy as a mouse outside gambling) and, second, you can be arrogant and uppity as fuck but still smart enough to know your real odds. And then, after all, it is the risky ones who win big time, not those who avoid taking risky steps and bets

Gambling addiction is just like other addictions. There are situations that trigger your addiction and in case of gambling, it is mostly the money you have. If you have some extra money, your mind pushes you to play it. In order to avoid getting addicted, we shall plan out time for gambling. Plan your time that you will give to gambling in a week. Controlled involvement in this game will make it fun for the player.

Very well said, as always.

People always judge other people by their negative attitude, without knowing the whole package of a certain person, like if you are a drinker, people will assume that you are a bad person, which is not true, they only see your bad habits but don't see what you are really inside, just like what you have said Sir, being arrogant can't define your losses in gambling, there are "disciplined" gamblers who play gambling yet they still lost.

Gambling doesn't care what kind of person are you, you will lose your money most of the time because it is needed for their bankroll, or you just suck, either of that.

If you say like that it's like the system of that site has been rigged. The reason because you lose is due to House edge. You are playing too long until the house edge catch you and that's why you will likely lose in long run. As long as there is house edge, you can't win in long run

That will be commong for those gamblers who are already an addict , they will find a way to have money, and to create one, but since they are to frustrated they are easily to lose those money , probably in just 1 game, it is needed to be stop and they are needed to be guided in order for them to have a moderation of their losses and stop them being an addict.

I heard about that story and the news because my uncle had previously worked in the same casino. It's sad to hear people being unable to control themselves and even commit crimes just to try gambling. As for me, gambling is only for fun, and if we don't regulate our impulses, it could ruin our lives. Greed could result in losses, so when it comes to gambling, we have to know our limits.