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Hi all...
I want to ask, which of these two things is more feared by traders, market manipulation or coin dumps. both of these things always make the loss of traders from the beginning of popular crypto until now.

I'm personally very scared when the market is at an uptrend, but suddenly there is a dump that causes prices to fall very deep, even lower than when I bought the coin. that's why when prices go up high (more than 15%) I won't buy it. I better not get profit than get stuck by FOMO. while for market manipulation, this is normal. I'm not surprised by this, because I always trade coins that have a large marketcap. so the risk of manipulation is very low. and when there is manipulation I will definitely know.

how about you guys? which makes you scared?

The dump you are pertaining is a retracement for the price surcharge, This always occur once the buy power was already exhausted and it's nothing to fear about it if you are familiar on technical analysis of chart.
In the other hand. Price manipulation is the most scarier things for trader because you can't have basis for your trading and applying TA will just make your money burn. This always happened on bitmex.
I agree with that market manipulation is normal in crypto, Large marketcap coin is not an Exception. Even BTC(The largest markecap) are being manipulate by whale holders.. That's why crypto trading is risky compared to Forex and SE.

I think those two things are the same. dump occur because of market manipulation. so how can we choose one of them. Market manipulation causes pumps and dumps, this is the scariest. when you think the market is in a good line, but it turns out that waiting ahead is a dump.

What often makes me feel scared is when the price drops dramatically. I don't really understand whether this is a coincidence, it often happens when I want to sell a coin suddenly the market has a overall price decline from bitcoin to altcoin.This made my mind a little annoyed because the coins I wanted to sell had diminished in value. Especially in my condition I needed cash

Till date some belief that bitcoin the grandfather of all crypto can still be manipulated, i don't find it hard to believe because i know how powerful the whales are so we can't escape manipulation, as for coin dumps this mostly happens with not too good coins or tokens, i feared this the most, to avoid been a victim of coin dump i prefer to invest in top altoins

Every seasoned altcoin traders will prefer market manipulations over the price dump.
The price of any coin can still be corrected when manipulated since it is often caused by the whales trying to buy more or sell some of the coin/token in their wallet.
Price dump is often from the weak hands or developer of the coin trying to raise money, which ever way, price dump always keep the market on the low by shedding more than 200% of the actual price.

I prefer price manipulations over the price dump.

You said manipulation caused the pump and dump. and obviously this is different right? Who's afraid when the market experiences pumping because of manipulation? no, they were all happy when they saw the bullrun market even though it was all because of manipulation.

so I ask, which is more frightening when manipulation makes it difficult for the market to make a reversal, and when the market is dumped by the Whales.



No, what I mean is not such a dump. but when people sell to make prices fall very deep. like yesterday when bitcoin. I bought bitcoin at a price of 5K, I thought at that time the price was already at the lowest limit. but the reality is not like that, bitcoin falls deeper even under 3K. isn't that very scary?

The most scary is price dump, but there is assurance that price dumps will only occur on weak projects, pick top altcoins and you won't be in worries over price dumps

That is true, manipulation often occurs in every exchange and we can still minimize losses. But if the price dump has occurred and the cause comes from the developer itself, then we will definitely suffer losses, because everything is over and the developer has left the project.

yes I agree, if it is caused by the development of the project. when a new project has no certainty there will always be a dump on the market, and in the end the coin will be delisted from the exchange. this is very scary for investors who dedicate themselves to the project. they get nothing but losses. manipulation can be compromised, because this is common. every time there is a pump there will always be a dump and vice versa. like now the people in the market are waiting for the pump because in recent years the market is on a bearish trend.

Hacking on the exchange, it makes me afraid because it also affects the overall market price, especially Btc.

Whatever it is, if the price drops so deep that it scares me.

I think your question is just the same, comparing two types of possible scenarios that are happening in the market without realizing that they are just the same. You just do not accept his opinion. For me, it is like asking someone as "Don't you understand?", whether the answer is yes or no, the meaning of the answer is just the same.

Market manipulation is the reason for the price to dump.
So, basically your question is going only in the same point, wherein the reason for the market price to dump is the market manipulation.

Back then in 2016 I have felt the scare when price was dramatically dropping. I remember me call my friends(traders) once that what is up with their bets and to discuss how to save mine from liquidating.

Of course dump, if we can see, manipulation can be pump or dumped coin and when pumped, maybe we can take a little chance to make profit in there. But when price dump happen, nothing that we can do except see and wait for the bottom or maybe good price to buy and hold until price can back increased again and make profit with it. But if dumped, will need longer time to get pumped again.

For me manipulation can create a lot of new investment opportunities for many other investors because it is always a very good time to buy some cheap coins. Maybe people are afraid of pumps and dumps in this market but I have had a long time here and this problem does not affect my psychology much. Every market will have whale manipulation and you should be familiar with it because this is a financial market and they have the right to control or adjust at any time if they want.

I am not afraid of any investment issues because before I joined I spent a lot of time to research and analyze this market every day so any investment issues I can solve in short time.

Dumps happen so fast that i can't be afraid of those, Neither am i afraid of market manipulation, because i know it's constantly happening anyway. Why would i worry about it on the top of it?
Honestly i am more scared when the price is up, so basically any time before the fall, it's like he higher you climb the harder you will fall. Exiting on going to the top is somehow scary too. It feels like a vertigo or fomo will kick in after you do that.
I find my feelings weird anyway, like relics of the real world, that don't apply on the markets, and i have to constantly fight against them

Is not it very clear? traders are looking for profit, no matter what happens with the market as long as they get a profit everything is fine.
a dump is a nightmare not only for traders but also for everyone. nobody wants to see the coin they are holding to get dumped because in most cases when it gets dumped there is a high possibility for the project to get abandoned.

Not part of the list but yeah this is also scarier if you experience it . I experience it my self when my account has been hacked if i remember it correctly its c-cex exchange this exchnage gone already. But he left me with fond memories  not that big amount but its difficult to accept since the price of btc is different from  the price when i experience it.

And for the OP market manipualtion can also be a way to earn you just need to feel the market and sell your coin before whales sell all thier holdings.

I'm more scared with hackers.. In this cryptocurrency world hacker is everywhere moreover if you have more than thousand dollars assets in a wallet you might be targeted by the hackers. So, we have to be careful with visiting any crypto websites or filling forms that might be a phising site from hackers that want to steal you wallet.

Both do not always lead to the same result. Dump is already caused by price manipulation and manipulation does not always cause us to lose. Sometimes it brings a large amount of profit, therefore, dumping the price is less preferred. Sometimes when we want to collect potential coins from the cheap price, dump is useful. Otherwise, we love the increase.

To me dumb is the most scary because traders and investors are dumping for not to buy it again which might result to death of the project but market manipulation is just a tactic used by whales to control and take advantage of the weak in order to retain more power over the project.

what's more frightening is the dump of coins, I often experience losses in trading when the price of coins goes up 20% then falls more than 50%, this is very scary and detrimental if not nimble in determining the time to waste when the opportunity arises.

of course the most frightening is the sudden decline in prices in large quantities. and that happened for quite a long time. I will lose the opportunity to sell and also I have to wait patiently until the price can pump again. and for bitcoin market manipulation i think is a common thing. and I think manipulation affects prices but not so much.
but this is the risk we must take when investing in cryptocurrency we must be patient with it.

Coins that are rapidly falling and rising are being manipulated by the whales in the market and if we have enough knowledge of what these coins are we will not be afraid and we will definitely avoid them. What's even more scary is the large market cap because we don't know what is likely to happen here and what's worse is the collapse of it immediately.

I agree,
We can make a profit by getting along on the market manipulation by buying when the price is falling.
Dump is already the outcome of market manipulation and this is the best time to take advantage of it until their prices will rise.

Market manipulation and coins getting dump is just the same in my opinion, market manipulation will cause the coins to dump but answering your question of which is scary, I would say market manipulation. It is hard to predict using Technical Analysis in market manipulation, you don't know if you could trust the price history that you are seeing on your monitor of a certain coin, because of whales who are believed to be the market manipulators.

I think price manipulation is overstated, at least for big coins. You need a huge amount of money to manipulate BTC price. Sure it can happen under certain circumstances, but when every price move is blamed on it, I think this is a bit overblown.

Coin dumps irritate me because it is often people over-reacting and panic-selling, making a small drop into a huge one.

Both are scary for me. And both could cause me to lose my money. Price dumps sometimes very unpredictable, like buy some alts at xx price, then dump in a seconds, even with the best analysis. And market manipulation, almost every market has a whales that might could have manipulating the price. Especially the alts that doesnt have a big volume. It's easy getting into their trap to buy some coins, then they dump it vice versa. So price manipulation could lead to a price dump.

Yeah, especially if you give your all in but in just one night all the things that you have invested just gone. So, it's really not worth it to invest in crypto, especially in altcoins as it is too risky, just invest what we can afford to lose, so that we won't cry and depressed once we lost, just like what I did way back 2 years ago, when I lost my hardearned money, I listed to those hyper in the telegram community.

The most scary things is that already choose one coin/token for trade and it turns out that the coin/token is what traders choose for dump or pump activities.
Dump or the opposite is also a part of manipulation, but manipulation is harder to knowing (In my opinion) we are in that situation or not, that's why it is necessary to continue monitoring the market and if see an oddity better to get out fast.

both are ordinary things in cryptocurrency, but for me, dump is scarier than manipulation

in my humble opinion, i never think about that. bcz i know how to avoid them

i always use stop loss in my trading, i have plan too. it is important for avoiding those accidents

If for me it is more terrible price dump, very surprised if we miss the news. Moreover, we are trapped FOMO and FUD, this is lessons for new traders like me.

To lose my money because of my emotions, this is more scary than any market situation. On every trend we can make money, its an opportunity for me with the right mindset. FOMO is not bad always sometimes you need to ride the hype early and take profit when FOMO is dying, its about market timing. Keep learning to control your emotion, don’t be scared on every dump its the best price to buy.

Coin dump is normal since crypto market is volatile, prices can either go up or down so it's a two way thing. But market manipulation is a very big problem to crypto market, imagine buying a coin pumped by bot action and next thing you see -200% dump, this happened to me last year on hotbit and I've learnt from that terrible mistake. "Never jump into moving trains" , this is same scenario like buying coins when price is pumping hard.

with use as reference on drawing of market with the chart on movement, trader to defines of one on decision as expecting with limit of returns as the decision to release of parts on possession with resource as covering expense as attaining field of business with the exchange market.

trapped in fomo and fud was more dangerous for us,this thing that caused price manipulation in market and price dumping.in cryptocurrency market,price be the main focus for all investor.they will analize as well as they can tk avoid huge loss.but unfortunately ,whales have much money to influence everyone included crypto media to make people panic with fud .we have to recognized it ,so we will understand which is fud and reality.

I'm not afraid of that because I know that it's all just manipulation. I'm not worried that my funds are stuck in the top cryptocurrency, cause I'm sure that one day it will rise again even though it is waiting a long time to be patient. The point is we must be able to control emotions in our psychological side, patience is the key to success. But there are some cases that I'm really afraid of, that is, if my funds are stuck in a dead project and can't grow anymore, I think this is far more frightening than anything because it will be stuck forever.

If you are a trader, you make profit from the market fluctuations. Coin dumps are also a way to manipulate the market and if you are able to predict the manipulation correctly, you'll have a profit. A real trader should be ready for any market movements and stick with your own plan. With a lot of volatility in crypto price, it would be a wise idea not to sell for a loss as price would come around sooner or later.

I think both market manipulation and coin dump are scary for traders. Both this threat can lead to losses on our investment so I can deny that I fear this two reasons.

I rather think that this is terrible for market manipulation and dumps. both of them make a loss to many people, especially on market manipulation which can disrupt people's investment and to dump usually because of panic sell

Any market manipulation happens, so I'm not afraid of manipulation. Besides, when the market plummets and prices fall, it is also an opportunity for us to buy more favorite coins at low prices.
In my opinion we are not afraid of anything, if you want to develop in the cryptocurrency market, you should get used to and adapt to them.

It's difficult to understand but I still tried.
Market manipulation means whales could dump it or pump. So how could it be different with what you said like "coin dump"?

Market manipulation itself is already scary. If you made the wrong choice then you cannot ride the wave which they have been doing.
It needs research, reading FUD and FOMO and other stuff in social media which could be the sign for a whale to make a wave.
Not all are accurate. But if done right then it might be fastest profit you could ever have.

actually, between market manipulation and the occurrence of coin dumps both are just as frightening, it's just more frightening if there is a coin dump, because I personally experience it also investing in new coins and when listing on the exchange has experienced a sharp price drop. 70% of the initial price. This decline occurred because many bounty hunters/investors  sell directly when there is an opportunity and I am too greedy to wait 3x profit, but in the end I suffered a big loss.

Honestly, hacking is one of the worst thing that can happen to any of us. Thinking about the time and effort that you have worked on to earn those and in one wrong move your funds will be gone, its the reason why we need to be more cautious these days because hackers will always look for some ways to get what they want. I'm really scared and I don't want to experience it that is why I always make sure of things even if its a bit laborious because I know that it can help me to make right decision and it can help me to avoid losing my funds and assets.

All say the same thing, which is the most feared is when there is sudden price manipulation and dump conditions. Market with this situation will be very detrimental, if we are able to sell coins in advance during a pump then we will be safe, but sometimes we are late to sell and prices suddenly drop dramatically. I experienced a lot of things like this, so the altcoin that I have is very cheap and there are some that have no price. to avoid losses you should buy altcoin which is already popular.

there is nothing scary if you already have high confidence in the crypto itself, when there are manipulations and big dumps at least with confidence, then the ups and downs of prices have become something that is common because the crypto market does have high fluctuations so that the pump and a dump is a familiar occurrence and it's not something scary as long as enthusiasm and demand still happen

Honestly coin dumps are the scary ones. Market manipulations is not something we would like to see but compared to coin dumps they are something we live everyday. We are talking about two worlds where in one we have a coin lets say at 10 dollars that goes to 5 to 15 to 8 to 21 to 3 to 9 and so forth which is horrible of course but at least you still have a coin that is moving ups and downs which gives you a chance to make a lot of money but also gives you a chance to lose a lot too.

However, coin dump is when it goes from 10 to 3, that is literally just a dump and I can't really handle that anymore, I am just way too old for caring about another long term holding, I just have bitcoin as long term and I am fine with that, anything else I just want it to stabilize.

The price fall is a good opportunity to collect from the cheaper price, but every time you take the opportunity, you lose money from previous ones. You may have enough money to invest each time, but I'd rather have enough patience instead of enough money. In my opinion, don't engage in manipulation, because collecting from unexpected movements can be scary.

In my opinion there can be nothing more scary than a market manipulation, because if dumps can be predicted, very unlikely, but they could be. A market manipulation can leave you with empty pockets if you met the wrong decision.

Dumping as usual. It doesn't have any specific time when it's done and you will never have an idea when it's coming. And until now, there are traders and investors that never learned about buying at the top.

It's becoming a norm these days that when the market is high, it shouldn't be the best time to buy. But because of the scenario that it can go a little bit higher, there are traders that are chasing for the profits before it goes down but at the end, they'll get stuck.

In this past few years, there are some factors that might affect the price of bitcoin. The scariest thing in the world of crypto is when the price of bitcoin and other currency is when the price of it was dump, and in trading you trade in the wrong time that really makes me afraid of. All of our efforts, money and earnings will be gone because you just merely did it at the wrong time. You need a better knowledge and mindset to have a great profit that will make you better in along the run.

Both are very frightening because they both can create deep losses. Although in price manipulation you can profit if you are really observant in the whales game. On the other hand, what kind of dumps do we understand here? Is the dump of coins unclear or is the price of BTC dumped? Of course, if BTC is a dump, I don't think we need to panic too much because prices will gradually recover and stabilize again.
In my experience, if we enter the whales game when they are manipulating the market price, it is better if you are get profit once, do not continue the game because then you will definitely lose.

Those are just the same.
Manipulating the market is either coin pumping or dumping. As long as there is profit, the whales will do anything for it.
That is why it is difficult to trust new coins specially if the largest part of it is owned by one group of whales.
We as small buyers will be the milking cow.
It is not easy to ride with their flow because we will never know. Unless, you have some connection with one of them.

both are scary, especially the coin dumping place. usually when the price of a coin rises unexpectedly like 20% above the average, chances are the coin is being pumped, as an investor or trader you must focus or continue to monitor on such coins, so you don't lose the chance to sell.

Buy coin with higher volume on exchange market to keep safety your investing and not scare with manipulation price, when you buy shit coin you have ready when price dump more than 300% because shit coin always have moment when have to pump and dump coin price, after you invest with shit coin you have sell soon although price is up.

Market manipulators/manipulations with negative intentions.. . Manipulation does not really scare me, it's just annoying to see it happening while some pretend it does not exist.
Natural coin dumps are OK for me. They are somewhat predictable especially for the established cryptocurrencies

Traders might worried about the market manipulation but I don't think they were afraid of since its an opportunity for them to make money in short or long term.And price manipulation and price dumps lead to the same result right?

Which I fear when prices drop by -20% to -35%. Basically, in my opinion, market manipulation is only a slight decline and even then, for a moment, but it can harm someone so that the trend (bear) comes.

In fact I also hate FUD news, this is included in the category of market manipulation or annoying games. but buying a coin with a high marketcap I think is safe, no need to worry if it happens like this, but if the bad news is really real this is the most feared by investors. Maybe some of these traders are an opportunity to buy, if you feel the right analysis.

There is no such thing as scary if you understand that its normal and you know how to play it.
Market manipulation could result to dump and pump, that is what is happening in the market, therefore you need to make some strategy to benefit on that.

when the price of a coin has increased sharply or (15%) then you immediately sell, if you wait too long, then you will experience a loss. You have to play smart when there is a pump like that, the opportunity won't come 2x.

In this kind of large market it will be difficult to manipulate the price.
You will need hundreds of thousands of bitcoins and millions with altcoins just so to make a big wave.

The sad thing though is whales could make it happen if they will do it at once. (discussed privately)
It could be dumped easily, specially if their share in a certain coin is way to large like 20 percent of it.
Somehow they could really manipulate its market in fast pace.
They love playing with altcoins though, specially the starting ones with cheap prices.
They will not go near bitcoin though for it is expensive.

Its important to understand the market and how it works. Market manipulation and price dump of coins are normal and been happening since before, but in my experience price dump is worse especially if this particular coin is not well-established like other coins that has a possibility to bounce back. But in crypto what matter is you know how to play every situation because there's always a way to take advantage it.

Lack of confidence on this market is the reason why people are panicking and think its scary every pump and dump. The money you are playing in this market should be the buffer cash on your budget so you won't feel any regrets. I'm also scared to lose money, its normal but if you know what you are doing and you are ready to risk money then it will be fine to you because you know that you can earn that later.

Not all the spikes are a result of market manipulation. In case a coin or a token goes up by 15% or 20% suddenly, then you should look for the reasons behind that spike. If there is a solid reason behind that rally, then you can invest in the coin (depending on your risk raking ability). But what you have said is true. In 90% of the cases, pumps are followed by dumps.

Actually both are scary it depends on the situation, you invested on a project and the price dump and does not recover unless it is bitcoin because it will surely recover some altcoins will never recover and leave you in the dust.
Market manipulation is still scary but if you ride on the manipulation you can make it to your advantage if you made the right call but often most traders are rekt and jebaited.

I guess seeing hack news on an exchange you kept huge funds on and when trying to login you were told they have disabled login now till things are put back in place. this will even make one urinate on his body while awake because you don't know if your account was among hacked accounts or not...several thoughts would be revolving around you.

For me I think market manipulation is better because things could still fall back on track rather than the Coin been dump which will make the trader hopeless

Well dumps are actually part of manipulating the market, either to scare people into selling their coins or for big guys to take profit. Market manipulation is a pretty common thing in crypto, so goes with occassional dumps so i think there's no need to be afraid of any of them. As long as there are big whales who own a huge chunk of coins, they can always sway the market to their advantage or whichever way they want. We just have to learn how to adjust and to sway with these changes.

Of the two things, in my opinion the most frightening is market manipulation. Coin dump will be able to recover if coins or tokens have projects that produce good products but tokens whose prices are the result of manipulation, it is difficult to get the trust of investors back

Market manipulation can produce price dump, and not all price dump are as a result of market manipulation. Because some bounty rewards even in this period of price dump are still high because of positive manipulations which is of advantage. The price of the reward will begin to dump if you leave it over time. You rarely have any coin that is rising above the period delivered now. The both could be scary because price dump may last longer but market manipulation can still be countered

I believe it wasn't because of market manipulation cause it rarely to happen right now. The sudden ups and drops it wasn't a thing to worried about cause it normally happen all the time. What makes scary if the market will turn down straight. But surely it never happens which means that there is no need to worry about the current situation we have now. The market will surely recover sooner and see prices move back to the most satisfying price we want.

in the world of trading and investment you must be able to have the courage to take the risks that exist, falling and rising and falling prices are normal and you should not be afraid when trading on cryptocurrency like bitcoin when prices fall in assets that you have only change the estimated numbers and can return when the price is already back up, so just think of it as a long-term investment that can be used for future savings.

the place of disposal of coins, the reason is almost the same as you. when a coin suddenly rises very high, but then falls dramatically beyond the purchase price, of course our hope to get profit, it will get a deep loss. while in the period of disposal of the coin, recover prices will be very slow, even the worst possibility is the coin will sink and we do not get anything from what we bought before.

That's how experienced traders are doing, instead of worrying about this certain dump they manage to accumulate and wait for the time that bounce
back shows and quickly sell out for decent profits. Repeating steps by steps and having a good skills anticipating how the market brings them is the key
in order to place good positioning. Most of the time it's experienced and instinct that helps to make a good decision around this market.

Though I am still looking forward that the cryptomarket would grow huge up to the point that price manipulation by whales would not have this kind of massive impact. I think it is better not to get profit than riding a FOMO that would drag your assets down the drain.

What I’m scared about is that I had invested my time, energy and effort for months and yet I would not get anything being a totally waste of resources since in the end they turn out to be scam even those unexpected ones who are managed by reputed people but sometimes they also fall in this kind of trap.

I have the same fear as you. Trading indicators really matter for a market that is always manipulated as strongly as the crypto market. There, it takes people tens of thousands of dollars to realize the problem and experience.
so even the knowledgeable person will not easily beat the market. Just to be safe, you shouldn't trade here. hold & sell high is the best strategy.

TA is pretty much useless, Most analysts have been wrong and only a few correct predictions.
Market manipulation creates opportunity if you played it well.

it would be more beneficial if we know the whales scenario, because the crypto world is a decentralized system, so manipulation seems to be a close friend of those who are strong. therefore don't be greedy for profit, so we can consistently get the benefits

how do we know that? you might be trapped in this scenario. the market is truly unpredictable now. some sentiments from the celebrities on the market also failed to make the pump. somehow we have to focus on what kind of analysis.

I am not scared, but I am worried if I see the market got dump because that will makes the price is down too deep. That will makes traders will panic because some of them cannot hold longer and they will make fast decision to sell their coin without think that is only for a flash dump. I am worried that the price needs longer to increase again, and sometimes, that will trigger to get another dump. I see that is happening with bitcoin yesterday and make the price down step by step.

Market manipulation can either lead to coin pump or dump. Dumping doesn't just happen, fud and manipulation takes centre stage in the dumping of coins.

It would be hard to determine, getting along on the trend or in the market movement can be risky since the market is really unpredictable. It may become the reason for possible loss.
Deep Analyzation is really needed, as you said, the market is unpredictable, but even if we study the market, we can't still expect the possible outcome that will happen.

I'm scared too because of marketcap situation, still marketcap is under 250 billions. Altcoins season isn't coming yet and Bitcoin dominance isn't over yet. If market move again you can trust top coin. Although why are you waiting for pump, you should wait for plummet and instant you should invest.

Most scary is seeing you bought tokens dumping like hell without reasons.

Even though price fluctuations are normal, market manipulation is still a cringe concept for me. It is so ironic that most of us prefer crypto over fiat because we do not like the long processes of many banks and how they easily control the money. Yet, here we are, letting many big platforms manipulate the market. Well, there is almost nothing we can do. We do not have high impact in the market individually so, even if one wants to go against the tide, he will drown.

there are many traders out there who certainly have different ways, some traders have good patience and of course when a dump occurs they will be better able to control themselves better and remain patient to wait for the market to pump. in potential coin trading i don't think it takes a long time to increase again so there is no reason for you to sell it too fast because prices will at least go down and go up fast, of course good traders will be aware of the situation

At least dumps are more natural and were caused mostly by people on our level unlike market manipulation that only mainly making income for very few people. Market manipulation could do some good in the industry but it does not focus on the welfare of the majority. There are times that there is a need for market manipulation but in mamy cases, it is just being abused.

It's not without any reasons but it simply implies that there's a massive sell out that happens and you're missing the moment because you're just watching the whole scene. I know how it feels to see your most precious altcoins getting burned in value without doing any action. Why is it its like that? because we're believing that the coin that we're holding is going to do something in the near future and we don't want to sell it because if we do, we'll miss that chance of profiting much but instead of that, the opposite happens.

They're both feared, but usually by different traders.

Usually more accomplished traders will be worried about market manipulation, since this will throw all their technical/fundamental analysis, charting and market insight straight out the window.

Coins being dumped usually only affects those that were stupid enough to buy risky cryptocurrencies, such as inexperienced investors. I doubt many truly stellar traders have been affected by these, only noob bag holders.

Yes, market manipulation is very bad. Sometimes it does not allow you to see the full picture of what is happening in the market and it can play a cruel joke.

This is why we need specially the traders to do further more research before engaging up to such news. There is no wrong either with that as long as we can coped up with the situation. What must be understand is that what we need to do before and during such situation in order to lessen further losses and maximize potential earnings. What makes me scared is that the long bear market and then market would still be going down.

Coin dump can cause the price of a coin to fall but can rise again if the project is committed to its investors. While market manipulation is more structured cheating and in my opinion this is more frightening than coin dump

If that is so, traders should understand the movement and the plan of the whales on maneuvering the market trend of a cryptocurrency. Basically we have technical analysis that we can execute, and if it is not effective, we can add the knowledge and updates we can get from various cryptocurrency trading signals and news concerning crypto itself. But I think the best way to make the most of the market is to predict the next move of the whales who indirectly controlling the market.

Crypto markets are often very volatile so it's impossible to predict exactly when that will happen. I think being patient during this time is the best solution to make money because there are not many investment opportunities this year and we are at very bad stage so we need to consider more carefully. Currently you should better manage your assets and limit transactions in the bear market because the current market is not stable so the risk will be very high.

Of course everyone is afraid of the market crash but I believe the market will soon return to the uptrend because in recent months there has been a lot of news supporting this market in the near future.

I am also afraid that the price will experience a dump, because I have lost as much as 75% of assets and took a long time to recover. I also will not buy altcoin if the price is above

for me , manipulation is the biggest fear .
u know why , i have some speculation to some coins, and i am sure maybe 1-2 weeks price will be like my speculation, but when manipulation game happens, i got stuck because it.
of course that happened to HYIP coins such as IEO coins from binance.
even it going high for 10% even 20% , i just have no idea , did i must sell or stay , because another coins seems normal.

Price manipulation is indeed more frightening because manipulation will not continue. When manipulation in the market has stopped, prices will stagnate and there is no real transaction volume. When investors realize this, they will be busy selling and making prices drop dramatically

All coins must have been dumped, but some have risen and the price has recovered and some have been unable to get up and recover. Even though a token is dumped in the market which causes the price to fall, if the developer team is committed to continuing to produce good products, I think investors will still be interested and believe because the coins are not manipulating

My biggest fear is not having my asset grow bigger by the time Bitcoin pumps. I'm more of a holder myself and I seldom trade altcoins so I want to have my asset grow as much as possible to gain more profit when bull run comes. Coin dumps will not make me scared, in fact it will make me happy.

If you study the history of Bitcoin, you would know that there's a pattern on how Bitcoin grows and by using that, you are able to make an assumption that you will profit from holding Bitcoin for a long time. Although we see some price declining this days, remember that Bitcoin is so down at the beginning of this year and look at the price right now.

You should have a strict plan and know exact levels where you buy and where you gonna sell. And don't care about the daily manipulations and dumps. Long-term trading only. And no margin trading at all. That's my strategy.

Yes, it is quite dangerous to enter into a deal when it is not clear where the coin can go next. It is better to protect yourself and buy only when you are confident in such a transaction.

I fear market manipulation aka Pump and Dump.

Pump and dump is a form of microcap fraud in which the price of an asset, often of low market cap and share volume, is manipulated by a group of coordinated actors through a series of high-volume purchases.

This artificially inflated demand triggers a dramatic increase in the price of the aforementioned asset, and is often accompanied by an influx of unknowing investors who are unaware of the manipulated nature of the spike. Often this phase is augmented through the proliferation of misleading positive statements or recommendations by experts, further driving casual traders to market.

Ultimately, the perpetrators dump their shares, flooding the market and overwhelming organic demand. At this point the share price of the asset plummets, leaving ordinary investors holding now heavily devalued shares.

if we are talking about deals with altcoins then here you can not be 100% sure never. there is a stop loss for this. if the coin goes the wrong way, then you do not lose 50 percent but lose a small amount

You already have a strong foundation and strategy to make the best use of opportunities.  The importance of understanding fundamental and technical analysis, so that we have control, so as not to get stuck in an unfortunate situation.  the price drops can only be a correction, do a maximum analysis, do not miss the moment.
The thing I fear the most is a prediction that misses.  We all know that cryptocurrency is very volatile.  Inappropriate analysis, which leads to loss, this often makes me stressed and my trading mentality is a bit chaotic.  It takes some time to restore confidence.

You can still maneuver your way no matter how the market is manipulated, but for dump, I have seen the worse scenarios, most especially the ones I do not pray to experience again. So, talking about which is scary, from my own perspective, it is dump.

Am force to ask you how long you learnt trading before getting involved, it comes with its own risks which must be accepted in good faith while applying all skills to avoid them. Both of the factors you mentioned are feared by almost all traders because they can happen anytime which is why a good trader knows when to exit a trade with or without profit and if care is not taken might get trapped. Therefore, both are scary none is bigger than the other.

Almost the same as you, I'm always afraid to get stuck on FOMO which is too proud of good news that makes us panic instantly if the news just makes some hike and plunges in the way.
Not only that down trend that prolonged makes us very difficult to take profit because we are in the trigger to be more patient from time to time.

I was just thinking, when I read your post, isn't we fear about losing all our funds? Market manipulation in the first place exists and that is related to the price dumps of coins whenever they wanted to. Since there is always a way not to be liquidated in our trades or not to lose all our fund, it did not fear me at all.

Well, typically a dump is due to manipulation, so in a way it's best to be scared of both of them. If referring to price retracement, that's normal ... but that's kind of like a baby-sized dump.

I suppose I'd be more afraid of dumps than manipulation though, as I just assume the entire market is manipulated. And it's possible to time sells before a manipulated dump occurs (as it's typically preceded by a pump). Just a flat out dump ... such as if a dev leaves a coin, or something similar, that's sometimes really difficult to predict.

for those who are experienced like you and understand the risks and investment opportunities of crypto will not be surprised by the pump and dump situation. although there is likely to be 0 for some of the investment assets that we see in the market. but as long as we can choose the right assets and a little risk will be safe.

I think both of them are just as scary as manipulation and dumps can make us lose a lot. therefore I always educate myself not to be greedy when the coins I hold have increased 50% I will sell them and take profits. so that if a dump occurs I won't lose much because I have already made a profit. fluctuating cryptocurrency can provide benefits but can also provide losses so we must be good at seeing every opportunity.

The price will dump because of market manipulation, so that is just the same for me, both are scary and we can never control the market. We lose funds because of those two reasons and prices are dumping because of market manipulation so they are just connected. We cannot control our fear but we can still lessen ours loses if we know how to manage our capital.

There is no need to be afraid of manipulations, you should always know about them and understand what risks there are. For example bitmex with its candles often makes your transactions unprofitable. In general, trading cryptocurrencies is very risky because trading methods like the stock market do not always work here.

We should practice to able read the market manipulator movement and we can follow the wave when they're moving. Because every market has their own whales to control the price moreover market with low volume and we have to read their movement so we don't get trapped

Partly both the things are unpleasant I often encounter when people complain about market, market makers and so forth. Let us assume that market makers are unfair. Are we (as investors) able to revenge them? Probably not. Generally I would not recommend somebody to revenge because usually revenge devastates an initiator. What about market makers, they are qualified market participants and that is why they usually score vs regular investors.

That is a must if we really wanted to trade and to invest in cryptocurrency, as there's a lot of manipulator out there that will do everything just for them to get hype.

For me, the scariest thing aside from that crypto will be gone, I am also scared when Satoshi will sold all of its Bitcoin, in that moment, the Bitcoin will dumped that hard and I doubt if there's still someone who will trust to invest.

these two things are a bit like manipulation aimed at raising and lowering the price of a coin, while the dump is obvious to lower the price of the coin.
So the scariest is the dump.
While the manipulation of some people may be able to take chances and get profit from the price volatility of a coin.

I'm not scared by either market manipulation or coin dumps because i did the right examine before choosing my coin and if an occasion where the coin experience manipulation or dump happen is just for sometime.
Concern the OP question, i believe coin dump is the most fearful because coin usually experience significant downtrend in price when it happen and there's usually nothing to proof the cause of it. Besides, it another it may be because the coin is about to exit the market.

The only way to take revenge is by not investing into that project any further and warn others with your words at a large scale. This, in my opinion is not revenge but a punishment to the fakers for playing with trusts of innocent people. In order to keep yourself safe from such incidents, the best way is to invest in renowned coins like bitcoin or ethereum. At least, the fear of FOMOs gets eradicated.

Hello. both are scary but I think market manipulation is more scary. Investors are losing a lot since popular. Pouring coins can still save but manipulate the market, then surely you are on the verge.

right, by investing in coins that are already trusted there is no room for them to move and deceive investors. so they don't get the money and end up stopping their actions, even though it's hard but it's our hope, they are actually the biggest cause of the bad crypto market

I think   it's a very important to choose our decision what we can do. It's only depend ourself. Because there is no,  knowledge about we can do due to  market conditions when we face dump & pump.

manipulation is a common thing, but about dumping i think this is something that is scary for some or maybe most traders, because when a dump happens at least it will cause a big panic effect which of course when the panic can no longer be controlled then the price drops will continue deeper, but there are still benefits that can be used in every situation and it depends on those who have experience in dealing with every situation that happens

I personally very scary if the market is attacked by hackers ,while for trading I'm not scary because its a natural thing for me anyway worried there is indeed when the market is manipulated because I don't know when that will happen

In my own opinion, the downfall of the particular coin is normal because we all know that the nature of every cryptocurrency is their volatility, meaning it is changing time by time so if we experienced some downfall right now, maybe later or sooner it will come back to its high price. You know what is important? It is the patience that we need to have in this kind of business. Patience is a virtue for us to earn a lot of money we need to have that attribute and not only that, we should have courage to earn and do not painc sell bacause it is maybe one of the reason why a particular coin dumps.

Yeah it is normal and we should not be scared if those coins are becoming stable of they are at top coins, but if they are not even in top 100 and there is no development at all, only false hopes and promises from the core team, then it should be up to us to decide if we still need to wait and hold, or let's move on and sell our coins/tokens in Bitcoin while there is still chance or just risk and just let it.

the two things between market manipulation and coin disposal are indeed detrimental, maybe we should continue to try to be calm in the face of both. for example, if we look at the disposal of coins, the price will definitely be dumped. but in contrast to market manipulation maybe we can quickly get the best price quickly so that when we get the best price we are not stuck in a dump

From what you said its seems as though the dump you referring to is market correction and price retracement. If it is market correction and price retracement you meant then there is nothing to be scared of. As long as crypto market exists there will be definitely be a time after every pump, a time for correction before the next pump. I think traders are more affraid of market manipulation by big whales,  there can be a huge spike in price of crypto token and the next fee minutes its dump heavily this leads to huge loss om the part of traders. Crypto traders are scared of this .

Dump is fine and we learned it in the past that it is going to happen somehow. However this kind of market drifting is very scary. Dont know where it will find a bump and start moving up.

My opinion even we are investing on top altcoin but at the long bearish period it will still not profitable for trader. This will different for long investment. So everything is different depend on which type we are.

Price dump is definitely scary. Even more scary part is when we have invested in that. POroper research alone is not sufficient these days. Crypto is like gambling.

None of the above option is scary to me, because I have learnt to deal with both. It was in the past when I was more of holding alone for long term investment that makes both to scare me when they dump the market and when the market is being manipulated high.

Now that I use my money aside the one kept for long term trading for trading in a shirt term, when the price dumps real high, I see that it is the best time for me to quickly buy the one that I can buy so as to make a big profit when they manipulate the price back up, so it does not matter to me how long they continue to do this, I just keep moving in the same train with them, as they are making their money, I am also making my own money too until bitcoin becomes a stable coins.