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I've been doing this for over five years.  It's gotten to the point where it's ridiculous to sit around and act like everything in the market is ok.  

I've called every single SEC commissioner and left a message on their phone lines as well as their education line specifically directed towards complaints (in addition to my about 20 or more reports previously on this matter).

Whoever is doing this fake buy crap is getting themselves in VERY SERIOUS trouble.  What I'm talking about is what happened two days ago on December 4th, 2019 at 13:14:00 UTC time.  It wouldn't be so bad every now and then but this happens almost everyday now. Bitcoin is not for this "person" or "thing" to get attention but that's obvious that's what it has turned into.  They're literally a danger to themselves and everyone else because they wont stop.


Pretty sure there's a handful of people here who know how wrong it has been.  Forcing the market to go up and constantly stay above the line because you're "angry" or "had a bad day" is a felony.   Bitcoin is a commidity as ruled by the UK and there has been lawsuits regarding commodity manipulation.

I am NOT putting up with this game someone is playing with the community.  I mentioned I was considering starting a lawsuit and now I'm definitely trying. I've contacted over five different attorney's offices in the past three days and I'm not stopping if this continues. If you'd like this to ruin your life go ahead.  This isn't a warning, this is just what is happening.  

Someone out there thinks this is a joke to mess around with but they don't understand the amount of felonies they have been commiting for two years or wont knowledge it.

Go get them!

Not sure if troll or just stupid  ::)

Probably both  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, it's obvious people like you are the troll who don't add anything intelligent to the conversation except an insult without any explanation.  You're welcome to walk away from this conversation.

I just bought bitcoin a few days ago that's why the price went up my good sir, please don't tell my mother.  :'(

I am not sure if I should give you some merits for the entertainment you provided but on the other hand I don't want a make a habit of rewarding stupid people.

I guess I'll pass this time.

Good luck. Say hello to the president for me too.

Well, go get them. Hopefully more people will think the way you do. I would not expect any result from your efforts, crypto is still wild west in terms of legal jurisdiction.

You looking as serious as game-protect, who helps user get back their coins scammed by the Online casinos specially licensed in the Curaçao.
We need more of such users to make crypto world a better place for normal naive investors.

We really needed him when the Mt. Gox went out of business, he would have reinstated everyone's fund with his global chain of lawyers and judges. He would have been useful during the bitconnect scam. It's so sad to see he's just getting scammed now.

oh seriously you gave me merit.  I just noticed.  I had zero before.  You must have been one of them.  lol....thanks buddy.  

also to tsaroz.  I really appreciate your comedic reply.  You seem serious but also funny.  I wish I could give you a merit point but I just sent my only one to someone else a few minutes ago.








and I figure I'd quote this because this is obvious quality memeing even if I'm serious and there's a felony going on.  *wheel chair slide*  yeah haters think im stupid everyday but it just keeps going on yeah....... *continues to slide wheel chair*

Eh, yeah.  I was tempted to merit his post because it's fairly well-written and obviously he put some thought and effort into it, but the content is delusionalerious, plus he's already gotten a few merits and that's enough for now.  

This is probably the type of person who wants to sue the whole world for being a collectively unfair poo-poo head.  Also, didn't he have another thread going with much the same kind of ramblings?  Hopefully this doesn't become a habit.

Big fucking LOL.

actually no my friend.  I'm the person who wants to sue one group of traders,  mainly on Binance.com.  Actually it might be the exchange itself.  Doesn't matter to me if you made 500 dollars yesterday I'm not going to tee-pee your house, but there's a lot of harassment from Binance.com and it has to stop someday.  I think someone is getting themselves into deep legal doo-doo with this one.

Is this serious or you just posted this to amuse us? It's really funny to what ideas some people got and how much efforts they put to convince.the others this is the right thing to do. I guess this is just another proof that human stupidity really has no limits. Good luck.

I had to report you to the admins "my dude."  It does not matter if you are legendary.  You're obviously another troll not taking this seriously and haven't offered anything else other than another random insult and also insulting the entire human race at the same time.  I don't think it's wise if we talk to each other from this point on.

Everyone expects me to believe this kind of crap is normal and sit here and also have to deal with harassment on your forums?

I don't think you understand the severity of the situation.  It just happened again at 17:50:00 December 6, 2019 UTC time on Binance.  Here's a screenshot https://i.imgur.com/9ence1n.png

Someone is going to have to start talking about this and admit this fake buy crap is just for attention and that they're just terrorizing people.  It's not going to make bill gates show up and this is very violent, offensive and is very disgusting that this "problem" has not gotten fixed for nearly two years.

This is not some game for attention and I will continue pursuing my case towards this trader or traders.  This is not ok.  Just because someone has more bitcoin than you expected them to sell doesn't mean you can commit federal crimes trying to force the price and fight them LITERALLY EVERY DAY.

I'm not apart of this drama but it's obvious there's a problem.

You have a problem with flaming people too obviously.  Please check your attitude instead of acting like I'm twelve.

Hot damn. Looks like there's a new sheriff in town. Y'all had better keep your pretty little things and your own righteous asses firmly indoors until this blows over, boys and girls.

https://i.imgur.com/HTI92C9.jpg

That's probably the right attitude to have.  Even though I'm not a police officer, I notice the flaming and trolls and I see what's illegal and what's done just for harassment and even report it to the SEC and CTFC if something happens that seems like it's just to try to piss someone off.  You aren't tricking me  you little piggies (with all due respect if theres any left)

honestly though You should probably take my words seriously.  I didn't get into this yesterday and I'm not trying to piss anyone off.  

Where does 'not enough other people interested enough to counter a couple of assholes batting the price around' cross over into something illegal?

For most of the time it's a pathetically thinly traded market. Movements like that are a consequence of it. It's far from ideal but it is what it is and no more or less 'organic' because of it. At least it's not yet fully drenched in bots like other markets.

Good madam.  It crosses over into the illegal spectrum when one group of "assholes" try to force on a price on the world when the market is obviously going down and or losing volume.  There are constant illegal trades going on.  I only hope you have become more aware of them through this post.  I will have to forgive your ignorance.

Thank you for permitting me to continue to exist. This magnanimity shall not be forgotten.

The question hasn't yet been answered. Where's the illegal part? Is creating a price movement that doesn't match your expectations against the law?

Like I mentioned.  The illegal part lies in forcing the price to stay above the EMA.  Bitcoin is ruled as a "commodity" by the UK recently not a security as some other users suggest and there have been lawsuits over trying to manipulate the prices on commodities.

It's illegal to force the price of a commodity upwards just because you want to if the market isn't ready.  There is information on google you and I can look into but hands down there's something illegal going on if that activity is happening.


This isn't mario my good Princess, this involves real peoples lives and forcing the market to go up when it's not supposed to is a felony.  

I'm not sure how much clearer I can explain it.

Um.

Ok.

https://i.imgur.com/VOJmkfN.jpg?1

You might ask yourself, "why not mention 'big sellers."

It's because this market think's they are a "problem" when in fact they are literally a part of the market and always have been.

I'll forgive your memes because they are funny, but it's literally ruined people's lives turning this into a drama.  It isn't mortal kombat.
These abusive buyers most likely think it's unfair that people have "more bitcoin than they expected" and they can't believe heavy selling has gone on for this long.  I'm not trying to be biased but it's obvious there some abusive attitudes that don't allow honest opinions in bitcoin anymore even if thousands of peoples lives are in danger by trusting the wrong person.

I'm planning to sue Binance.com if I can since I was allowed to trade there as a U.S. citizen and this type of behavior was still going on.  Do you want to flame me more or be an adult and admit there some serious bad shit going on here?  This isn't about karma.

Also: you expect me to believe the the entire world was watching the news feeds and that it was just "ready" for that kind of thing?  I'm not sure how delusional this community has gotten.  It's really uncalled for if you think that sort of thing needs to happen.  This is a repeat of the china article that happened a month or two ago.  Just another excuse to break the law and try to force the price up more as if it's legitimate (in my honest AND experienced opinion)

Almost a genuine response there promoting good knowledge and rationality.  You're welcome to try more.  I think you almost got it now.  Thanks for maybe even jokingly considering what I had to say was legit.  I guess I should give you a cookie or something.  I have screenshots.  Whether or not it's binance there is a problem ON Binance.com which spoofs the market, makes unnecessary buy walls and harasses sellers.  Need I say more?  It's not legal at all.

Please don't bring your legal shit to this. We are happy with the current state of bitcoin.

Why would you even want to trade on binance which is an unregulated exchange btw while there are regulated stock markets in the US?

S&P500 wasn't decent enough for you?

You wanted high risk, you wanted big returns, you wanted adrenaline and that's why you went to binance.

Why are you whining?

You think I'm going to take you seriously when you act like this?  It's obvious you are here to just try and put people down even if they are right.  Consider stopping being an ignorant flamer.

There's a lot of bad stuff going on in bitcoin and you and other people who might be getting paid to act like piles of crap on the internet to everyone should most likely reconsider their attitude

You think anybody here takes you seriously?

You are complaining about the people who put buy/sell walls. Are you for real?

Wake the fuck up.

Maybe you should take this matter to the President. I'm serious with that one.

You're starting to get violent and your responses are not welcome in this thread anymore.  I will report you to the admins if you continue to be violent and harass me.  You are no longer adding anything but just insulting me.

@op if you don't want community members opinion,  you shouldn't have brought the topic here because it looks like you already got it all figured out and whatever anyone says that does not agree with you is not welcome,
Don't you think the best thing is take it to the appropriate platform where you could get support, i hope you succeed in your quest.

To you.  if they didn't want or like my honest opinion they shouldn't have harassed me.  There's a fine line between harassment and opinions.  Some of these people don't seem to understand that.

You're asking me to report you and I don't know the president.  I just sent the admins a notice though regarding your comments.  I'm not sure if I should say you're welcome.  The deed is done though.  I guess I'm not going to expect a thank you however.

OK, but what is that you can propose in order to deal with this problem of yours, or rather ours, according to you?
You need a president Trump to make an expose about it, maybe a chairman of federal reserve or world bank should appear on a stand, with a green screen, set with a colourful Joseph Stalin as a wallpaper and announce all bitcoin prices to be frozen?
What do you want? It's super easy to criticize, especially without a solution proposition. If you are thinking about more regulation, than I have a bad news for you, it wont work. It never does. If you care about my advice at this point, change the exchange that you're using for something smaller or less regulated. It usually means more freedom because this is the real solution.    

Fire the "CEO of Binance" or question them severely and make sure they tell the truth about what they have been doing in the market.  Also question them and ask whether or not they have been "complacent" regarding manipulation in attempts to force the price of bitcoin goes up.

It's going to take a legal team to get things done if it's happening with fake money but that's my suggestion.

Oh and also, don't forget that tether audit which has never happened to this day.

Either one would be a good step in the right direction.

Shut up and take my merit.  Laughed a heck of a lot at that one. Just hope you weren't serious cause then I'd be supporting game protect in their scams.

You know it's time to stop joking about this as if I'm stupid.  You can be sentenced to death in China if you commit fraud which is what this is all about and most of this stuff appears to be happening in China.  

I'll leave this as a subcoment.  Whoever is doing this doesn't realize what they're getting into.  It's not a game, they're toying with their freedom and their life at this point.

Makes sense, so basically you would have to take this issue to court, under suspicion of AI driven price fixing.
Isn't it better to seek similarly minded people, that are willing to file group case, instead of accusing an entire market of giant fraud?
It is just this one exchange that got you in to suspicions, not crypto market as a whole, right? Gather the evidence, the more the better and look for potential witnesses, next is a good layer and voila. Just try to present yourself as being genuinely concern for customer safety, don't rant and call names :) If you're right, god will provide, as they say.

First off, it started on Bitfinex and then went to Binance.com

Second, I'm not accusing the entire market.  Buys aren't wrong but when someone tries to harass the market everyday and people like you try to cover up that fact there is a problem.

Third:  not sure what else to say.  I don't need you to ignorant.

Ooooh you'll regret this move motherfucker. I reported you to Mr. President Trump. Sent a personal letter to his home. Signed by me.

Let's see how powerful your admins against the president of the US.

Reported me ha, I'll show you how its done.

I'm not sure you're thinking clearly.  You're trying to report me after you are obviously the one harassing me and trying to put on the "tough guy on the internet" look.  And you know...using the term "motherfucker."  Not sure how smooth that'll fly for the admins.

No mindrust it's not.  I'm going to be honest with you.  Maybe that is a famous name or you are joking again but that is not my last name

Screwing with the market IS the market. Didn't you say you were twelve?

8)

LOL

I can buy whenever I want. I can buy because I had a bad day and I can buy because I don't like your post. I can buy because I want the market to go up and I can buy because it makes me hard. Whatever I do to the market is my business and you can stick your felony where light doesn't shine.
Go contact your attorneys and tell them that I did it. I bought some BTC on December 4. Did it mess up your shorts? I'm so sorry...  NOT.  ;)

Hmm so this is your actual thread...

First, i really doubt the people you intend to threat with legal action are even going to read this. They probably speak Chinese anyway.

Second, your laws are not my laws. US laws are not World laws. South of Florida you have this country that happens to be the largest island in the Caribbean, they have violated US laws for more than half a century and continue to do so. I suppose you are like the owner of the expropriated American companies waiting for your American troops to act "any moment now" to recover their assets (60 years later).

Third you are getting nowhere venting your frustration here. Are you even aware of the many automated trades that are going on? You might be yelling at a computer for doing something it was programmed to do by somebody else.

So if the exchange can be used by an US citizen, they would be liable. Well i guess, that is why some exchanges discriminate US users, either forcing them to use a sister exchange, block US citizens entirely, or show them different content, in-spite of originating from the same source. Its like you are begging for them to censor some of the book transactions, so that you cannot see them and not get angry.

Are you aware that if you are scammed by, say, a Russian, there is very little you can do about it? Even if your government blocked access to those exchanges, some Americans would still find ways to evade the restrictions and use them, full knowing the risks.

The crypto space is largely unregulated worldwide, SEC can't do nothing but file your complain, hoping that, maybe someday they could somehow use it for reparation if other countries agree on common legislation. But as you should know, there are always "fiscal paradise" countries that do that precisely to attract investors and they tend to have more permissive laws, that is where those exchanges tend to register their companies.

In the meantime, you are yelling at the wind. I doubt any money you pour into legal action will ever return to you. While this is the traditional American way of doing things (sue first, settle later), it simply doesn't work that way elsewhere. For starters, the judicial system in other countries doesn't even work the way you'd expect it to. Many countries don't even have justice at all, it doesn't matter if you have the evidence and everything is in your favor, if the accused is friends to the right person, it is you who end up in prison (I'm not joking).

I know, shocking, that the world is so different when you merely cross the border, but that is a reality even YOU cannot escape from. Not even being American can help you. I know, an American was imprisoned here for 2 years on suspicion of "aiding" a political opposition protest (habeas corpus be damned)... Finally he was released and expelled, over "humanitarian" reasons, but only God knows what bribing AND diplomatic pressure had to took place for that.

Oh this reminds me, there are rumors of some governments, and high officials from some governments, being involved in crypto trading. They could be some of the whales. Can you imagine if the actual culprit of your complain is a foreign government? Good luck with suing that...

This is not a fair game, that is what you are complaining about. Unfortunately, there is little you can do, and legal threats in this forum are useless. Since you already made enough money in the past, perhaps you should now just go into holding, and let those automated traders just eat themselves. Or diversify your portfolio and invest elsewhere, where things are more regulated.

Its not fair and you might have the right to complain, but it won't do or change anything. That's the way it is.

HAHAHA that dude will make you apologize not only to your mother but also to the president and senate!

your main problem is that you are new to trading and the markets (not "bitcoin" market but in general anything related to trading). and since you have no idea what to do, you have crashed and burnt. now you are trying to find someone to blame, from random users on this forum to some imaginary people who are manipulating the market preventing "only you" from doing anything in it!

it is like not knowing how to swim, then insist on swimming, after you drown you try to sue Poseidon for drowning you ;)

I read that twice. And still....  ??? What did you tell these people you left messages for? That bitcoin is being manipulated?

There are no laws for the crypto market as there are for traditional markets. You allowed doing things on the crypto market that would be considered illegal in a traditional market. You need to learn the law.

Btw you sound delusional. Stop sniffing your model plane glue. Don't glue them in your room or something. Those fumes are making you sound like a crazy person. And I don't mean crazy as in someone with an amazing idea that gets called crazy for dreaming. Im talking genuinely none sensical. It's very scary what goes on in some peoples minds.

Hey OP, I applaud you for expressing your opinion, if you wanna call it that... but that's not what it was...was it? You want a scapegoat, ha, of all things.. or you wanna fix a problem in a huge industry... excellent.. go for it.. but be careful.. what if what you witnessed was say oh I dunno, the cartels in mexico, moving big funds around when it appeared to be a fundamental news piece getting some response.. they time their transfers perfectly... never know.. maybe its just good news and it appears to be market manipulation... hell maybe it is.. what are you gonna do a company in the Cyprus? You gotta be realistic... you're not gonna throw water at a chain link fence and break it down.. this is crypto!!  But hey you can try.. that's the beauty with freedom. Good luck.

I know how it feels when there's just too much inside you that you would like to burst them all out to make you feel comfortable. That's probably one way to soothe yourself. Well, every now and then, a lot of piss come into our lives. And the way we handle it matters most. I guess that's how you handle on that particular kind of situation. People have always different opinions so if you think it's the right thing for you to do, then go for it. Good luck buddy.

I hope you have tons of money, because the SEC is not the only government organization that are enforcing rules and regulations on this planet.  ::)  The price of Bitcoin is determined by a global open market of supply and demand, so it will be difficult to determine who the market manipulators are.

The SEC only have jurisdiction over US matters, so what are you going to do about the irregularities that are happening on markets in other countries? Your lawyers will first have to identify the culprits and then you have to fight them with different lawyers in international courts.  ::)

Also remember that market manipulators have loads of money to hire expensive lawyers too, so you have an impossible task to take on these giants.  ;D

seems the OP is not wanting to file a law suit.

by him having no proof of WHO (the individual) that is doing the whale/ghost trading. heck not even having proof of if its just a whale trader or a ghost trader. makes it not even actionable.

if the SEC were regulating an exchange that is being complained about. with such lack of proof. all the SEC can do is advise the exchange to try to find a way to handle their customers better.

..
the OP seems to be complaining that a whale/ghost. is putting in alot of coins into an order to create a wall. which causes both a financial and psychological barrier for other traders to not let the price go below/above.
unless he can prove its a ghost trade (an order not backed by balance that actually backed by real deposits) then its treated as just a whale trade(richguy with backed assets)

there are no rules to stop any trader making a trade order, and deciding to cancel it before it fills.
thus nothing wrong with placing and cancelling an order before it fills.. and ethically there shouldnt be a rule.. people should be allowed to cancel an order if they change their mind
 
the main issue is not legality or illegality of the issue.. but the fact that the exchange is open to everyone, rich or poor. so yea while for every 1000 people playing with just $100-$1k.. there are a couple playing with $10k-$100k

and so ofcourse some of then poorer traders are going to get annoyed that they dont have the same 'power' of trading that the rich guy does

what people need to do is reign in their emotions. and stop treating it like poker. pretending they are gambling against another person and trying to find the best tile to deal their hand..
instead just think of a price your happy to pay. and put an order in.
if that order doesnt fill because you wanted a price thats not near the current bids and because a whale is blocking it. well then your probably greedy and impatient by wanting the price to fall/rise to hit your greedy order and it never gets their in the time you want.

so heres a trick
if you want to buy btc.. look at the current price. and if your happy with the current price. just buy it at the market rate

if your just a small player and your order pales in comparison to whales. then dont try playing the whales games of putting in orders away from the current bid hoping for it to fill asap.. .. you just wont get that order.

I prefer to use only verified exchanges, wallets, and projects. Lucrative offers are a reason to be wary.

That was his emotional outburst when he lost his money.

If they regulate then we wont see fake volumes and market manipulation like we used to see.

His problem was not how things are going on now but the way in which he lost money trading. My guess is that he tried his luck in bitcoin options trading and when the market reversed he lost his money.

We all know that nothing is going to come out of this, since the OP will need to identify the person that he thinks is manipulating the markets, however we need to be honest, the whales do in fact manipulate the market as they want, for example during this recent rally I have seen a few instances of spoof orders, which are huge buy orders which are later cancelled without being fulfilled, this creates the illusion of a buyers wall and manipulates the rest of the traders to keep pushing the price higher.

spoof orders(ghost orders) = orders where the value is not of real balance from real deposits
buyers wall(whale orders) = orders where the value is real balance from real deposits

the problem i see is
1. you cant tell if its ghost or whale.
2. too many people are doing orders of only a couple $$  and so when someone has $$$$$ there are then hundreds of jealous people with only $$ crying that they cant instantly make 10x in a few hours.

if everyone was equal and had equal value it wont be a problem.
if the little guys were not so greedy hoping to multiply their pennies into thousands in an inpatiently small time it wont be a problem

if traders are getting emotional. then what they are investing is obviously too much because its causing them stress when they lose it.

i personally have a huge hoard. but i dont use it on exchanges. for one i dont wanna get emotional. so i just use small play money amounts. and also playing the whale game just dont interest me.

atleast im smart enough to only put a few % of my hoard in to play around with and when i trade i trade smart. its far better to look for 1% a day and repeat 365 times a year then it is to be greedy hoping for 10-20% a day and end up crying due to not trading smartly.

but hey. investments are never guarantee return on investments no promise of profit. so people need to learn to not just trade and think they always gonna win and should always cry when they lose, blaming others for the loss.

you never lose if you never sell at a loss.
for all traders.
when you trade. never think of how your going to spend your winnings. instead think can you afford the loses.
before hitting the order button truly ask yourself can you afford the loss... if you cant. dont trade

Lmao, you better have a crazy amount of money OP.

You're going to have to hire practically every blockchain analytics firm in existence, plus subpoena every exchange, plus deanonymize every privacy coin in order to identify those behind major market manipulations (if they even exist).

Also, do you think these guys racking up tens of millions are reading your warning thread? Get real bro.

I really hope this thread is a troll, but it doesn't look like it.

Okay, but my question is do you even know who is doing that? You have reported to attorneys as you said, who exactly are you pointing at that's causing the manipulation in the market? Or you're just going to report the case and then expect them to figure out those are causing the price swing up and down? Lol this must be a joke.

Before you start such report you must know who is causing it and also have the evidence to prove that they are guilty of such an accusation. I even think you're just someone that is pissed because you lost your money in a trade. You should know by now that cryptocurrency, most of them, are decentralized and they are volatile except for the ones that are stable coins and backed up by assets that pegs them 1:1 with USD.