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So, this is a cool and interesting concept, I never heard of you guys before. Best of luck to you, and I hope this project works out very well and great, for the community and for you.
The idea of peer vs peer is attractive to me because its pvp, player vs player, and it reminds me of a video game. This can probably attract competitive individuals and people of that sort. I do not know much about this site, so I will be waiting to see more activity here, to get a better understanding.

Sounds interesting. It's like the most patient player, win the game? I wonder if the games will do well long-term. It will probably do well short-term. When people start understanding the idea behind it, they will think it's exploitative and even hard to win considering that players will have to keep betting to be the winner. The gambling owner keeps smiling to the bank as most players play & lose.

Welcome to the forum and gambling world ad well. Seems owner have a good idea how to win on gambling industry. Since this is only peer to peer gambling platform then site owner must get profit either players lose or win. Because if someone lose here someone will won on the other end.

However, idea isn't bad and hope you will get good response although it would take few times to realize everything for players.

Hope you will create a eye catching ANN thread by getting copper membership to be eligible make post with image.

Good luck..

It's a nice idea you got there op. I did check the site and the design is not that good, it's simple but that doesn't really 100% important to gamblers but the design is what will attract people and also the game. Honestly, i'm not impress with the design but I find your game interesting to play. Good luck!

I just make a visit to your website and sorry to say that looks like a domain/hosting reseller website. Hopefully you guys need to improve the design works which is a basic thing for an gaming platform.

Put everything aside welcome to worlds largest crypto community. Don't take this community users honest suggestion negatively where their opinions will help you to make your platform user friendly.

After reading the information I wanted to check the website and play some games.

Unfortunately, I am not able to open it, getting a message website does not exist.

@OP can you please check on your side. I am not using any VPN service.

One question about the stock market thing, if all the prices are done on random generation, then how can people know when the price is going up or down? I suggest the random-ness is also added to demand and supply rules,,, meaning to say if more people buy it then the price can slowly rise up in terms of demand, and if there is too much supply price goes down. Like a real stockmarket;)

Is there a problem about your hosting? I can't access your website.

Website is down.
Check please.

When you say there is no house and no dealer and still get 3% of the tickets it is kinda disingenuous to say that there is no house. I mean yeah there is no house in the sense that people are gambling against each other but at the same time there is a house in the sense that even when you win you don't win the 100% of the pot. So, let's say two people face each other all the time, one wins and other loses and vice versa each bet, eventually they will have zero because they will be paying the house rake.

So, there could be no house "edge" but there is rake. Don't get me wrong this is still a valid casino idea and there are poker websites making MILLIONS of dollars from the same idea but they never say "no house" or "no dealer" for it neither for marketing purposes.

^ I can't access too maybe they had encounter problems or such having maintenance to their site.
I can't give exactly feedback because I can't access the site probable when they were available again soon and give my honest feedback.
P2P system is good in a gambling platform when hosting a game but I don't know if how to make a profit when there is no house edge. Owners must have the revenue in business gambling marketing to have expenses when improving/upgrading the site. Because usually, it will not long last or the reason of having exit scam.

Hello and welcome! I've seen lots of casinos and reading the description of the games was actually very refreshing and promising. The reason for that is that it's not a typical set of games, and all of them sound engaging because they require fast thinking and decision-making. Moreover, a peer-to-peer casino is indeed something that is at least rare if not unique. At least, I don't remember seeing any of those. Unfortunately, the website is down, so I cannot check out the games. I hope you will fix that soon, it kind of does not make a good impression when it's already not working.

https://i.ibb.co/NxB1vcV/Screenshot-2.png

There was no response from the OP what about the site that cannot be accessed, is it possible that the OP did not re-check the website before making this thread?

This kind of promotion must be even more thorough.

It is perfectly working on my side.

https://i.postimg.cc/W4zTFJtG/Screen-Shot-2019-12-09-at-6-08-44-AM.png

They may have restricted some countries in accessing their site?
This is one of the P2P gambling sites that I have seen a lot of online players. Very few P2P sites are getting to this level. So they may have done something on their games to make this attractive.

For OP if you're the owner of this site i think you have to more active here because i saw unresolved questions above me and today i was try to register but i have a problem here that i was stuck because i didn't get confirmation email after waiting more than 10 minutes the email wasn't appears and also there is no resend option to get it again

Very interesting site op. I especially like the stock market game and will probably invest a few bucks soon to try it out. The other 2 games are alright, but the stock market game was the most entertaining one.

Just checked and its working fine on my end. It does not look like a new site though since there are decent number of users online and the influx of new users(Probably from Bitcointalk) could have crowded their servers leading to the site going down.

If you are looking for a high quality gambling, I think this site is perfect for you,they offer a easy and short game to win an loose in short period of time like in cock fight game. And the good thing about this site is the pot. You are lucky if you will got this pot. I really believe that this site will be successful specially if they add more games.

Are you willing to advertise in the forum? if you are, I suggest you start a signature campaign for exposure, just like some gambling sites are doing to attract and gain gamblers. if you still have no idea about what I am talking, you can check this link  Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 15-Dec-2019] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0)

Hey guys, My name is Catalin, i m the owner and developer of this web app. There are a few things i want to share with you, looking at your comments, such that people will understand better why i chose this route.

1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake. It is a commission similar to concert ticket sellers/re-sellers or any other type of ticket selling business. And to be honest, 3% is 3 cents per dollar which is half what ticket resellers charge for selling tickets.

2. Another assumption that i want to tackle is that "the owner is smiling while others are losing". Risk exists in anything we do, from eating our daily meals, going to work and even brushing our teeth, therefore risk exists and it cannot be avoided. But it CAN be mitigated. Traditional casinos have no such interest because their bet is against the player, therefore making every possible move to increase their odds against the player. Aside from that, what are the odds a player has to predict an event correctly? The answer is simple, 100% divided by the number of possible outcomes. While a coin toss would yield a 50% chance of winning, a lottery game (6/49) would only give the player 1 chance out of 13,983,816 possible combinations to win the pot. It is fair to say that the casino wins EVERY time. Here BETROOM comes into play. I have designed all games such that players do not have to beat the odds to win the pot, they have to be better than the rest of the participants. Let s take Betroom's Stock Market Mania game. In the real stock market, losing money does not get you anywhere, except to being broke. Here, at Betroom, you can finish the trading session with less than the starting capital and still win the pot; you just have to lose less than the others and WIN the pot. This is the beauty of it, you don t have to be Nostradamus to make money, you just have to be better than your competition. Let s take another example, Betroom's Keno Frenzy game, the one who matches the most numbers takes the pot. The Rocket Crash game is no less better than the other games Betroom prides itself with; the winner is the player that jumps last off the rocket before it crashes. Betroom is NOT demanding its players to be foreseers, it demands them to be just better than their peers to win HUGE pots costing them less than 1$ per ticket. What game exists out there where people that have a losing score are being paid huge jackpots? NONE, i can tell you that!

3. There is a way that people can increase their chances of success - buying more tickets. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win the pot. To keep things fair, each additional ticket purchased costs double than the previous one.

4. Betroom's games are fast paced, giving its players the opportunity to win large amounts of money in a matter of seconds, every 20 seconds to be exact.

5. Last but NOT least, EVERYONE at Betroom is considered equal to everyone else, everyone is Joe. Betroom IS impartial, Betroom does NOT favour anyone, Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly, Betroom WANTS its players to win so that they become rich, independent, loyal and start trusting the concept, the work and dedication behind it. Betroom IS player-centric, finding itself at the opposing end of traditional casinos which are casino-centric.

Guys, i am really really really EXCITED to put this forth and i hope you can all see the BEAUTY of it the same as i did when i created it!

Yours truly, Joe.

Very interesting concept you have there, though on low volume people might take larger positions, drive the stock into a certain direction to build momentum and then sell out. But this is not abnormal at all since all the large bank are doing the same, so yeah, very interesting point u have there. In a future update i might think of adding this too. The way it s built now it s like the derivatives market where you win/lose based on the price difference and you do not hold any position in the stock, but again, it s an interesting point of view you have there.
Thank you for this valuable piece of information.

Thank you so much for the good review. I have made important updates and it might have been down when you checked it out. Please do check it out again and let me know your honest opinion. thank you so much.

In order to play our games you must do 2 things:
1. Credit your account with Bitcoins which will be converted into Betcoins (Betroom's currency where 1 Bitcoin = 10,000 Betcoins)
2. Purchase tickets for the game u wish to play (here we take 3% service charge off of ticket sales)

As a side note, the more tickets you buy, the more chances to win the pot you have.
We NEVER take part in the games, we do NOT have/act as dealers and we WANT players to win. We sit on the opposing side of the casino business in that we are client-centric while casinos are casino-centric.

You said your name is Catalin but at the very last of your statement, you signed out as Joe? Which one is which?

And where you are earning income is only from the 3% commission for every ticket, are there any other ways you are earning from your website? Is that too much - you are charging twice the amount for each additional ticket? For me, should be the same. What is the reasoning behind that?

there are some interesting concepts to learn about your current Betroom gambling site, which is a $ 1 dollar win once a 20 second round.
I have a question.
1. Other than Rocket, Keno Frenzy, Mania, how many more are there on your game site, I didn't find anything else.
That I see most youtube videos, and one more if we have one account is enough to play in different games or have to create an account one by one each toy.

site: https://betroom.eu/

If you read the whole statement you would have known by now that "Joe" is the character i portray to be represented by everyone joining Betroom. Everyone being Joe in Betroom's eyes means equality, this is what Betroom stands behind. 

There are 3 games for the moment and there is a very good reason keeping the number of games low - keeping the pot HIGH. If i were to create a lot of games then the pots would diminish in size and that s not what people want. People want to pay as little as they can, win BIG, win FAST and as many times per day as possible. This is the concept behind ALL my games - place bets worth LESS than 1$ and potentially win HUGE. I want to take my website to the point where i make a millionaire every 20 seconds. This is the goal. I can achieve this ONLY with YOUR help. Together we can revolutionise the whole industry!

"FIRST PEER TO PEER BETTING" - now, I do like the sound of that and it's not just the sexy phrase but more like what it stands for. I think, one too many times players like me worry that despite the 'provably fair' quote playing agains the house edge or a bot is not the same as playing against other humans, and so I think the benefit of peer-to-peer betting is providing players with more confidence in their bettings.

I really do hope this project gets uplifted because it's yet another 'whole' in gambling that needs to be filled.

https://i.imgflip.com/3k6omc.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/3k6omc)
I have a question about this item on the Frequently Asked Questions(FAQ);
By this means, there will be no restriction on which country the user is located?
Like for example in some gambling sites, they always indicate which country are not alllowed to play on their gambling site and they are extremely strict with it.

I what I understand from this FAQ is, owner of site means that he is accepting only bitcoin for his site. Since bitcoin isn't controlled by any government or organization so everyone from all countries able to make deposit with bitcoin. He isn't going to accept any other currency like fiat, so it's not limited for any country. And likely there is not jurisdiction restrictions as far as I know. And also on terms and conditions, seems they did not restrict anyone above 18 years. Their KYC policy will applicable if incase they found someone below 18 years old.


However, that was my opinion, it would be better if team answer by themselves.

To further fuel your idea, respond to other posts on this thread and clarify 100% what we, at Betroom, stand for, i will send you a paragraph from our website's knowledge base:

"Hey guys, My name is Catalin, i m the owner and developer of this web app. There are a few things i want to share with you such that people will understand better why i chose this route.

1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake. It is a commission similar to concert ticket sellers/re-sellers or any other type of ticket selling business. And to be honest, 3% is 3 cents per dollar which is half what ticket resellers charge for selling tickets.

2. Another assumption that i want to tackle is that "Betroom is making money while players are losing money". Risk exists in anything we do, from eating our daily meals, going to work to brushing our teeth, therefore risk exists and it cannot be avoided. But it CAN be mitigated. Traditional casinos have no such interest because their bet is against the player, winning when the player loses, therefore making every possible move to increase their odds against the player. Aside from that, what are the odds a player has to predict an event correctly? The answer is simple, 100% divided by the number of possible outcomes. While a coin toss would yield a 50% chance of winning, a lottery game (6/49) would only give the player 1 chance out of 13,983,816 possible combinations to win the pot. It is fair to say that the casino wins EVERY time. Here BETROOM comes into play. I have designed all games such that players do not have to beat the odds to win the pot, they have to be better than the rest of the participants. Let s take Betroom's Stock Market Mania game. In the real stock market, losing money does not get you anywhere, except to being broke. Here, at Betroom, you can finish the trading session with less than the starting capital and still win the pot; you just have to lose less than the others to WIN the pot. This is the beauty of it, you don t have to be Nostradamus to make money, you just have to be better than your competition. Let s take another example, Betroom's Keno Frenzy game, the one who matches the most numbers takes the pot. The Rocket Crash game is no less better than the other games Betroom prides itself with; the winner is the player that jumps last off the rocket before it crashes. Betroom is NOT demanding its players to be foreseers, it demands them to be just better than their peers to win HUGE pots costing them less than 1$ per ticket. What game exists out there where people that have a losing score are being paid huge jackpots? NONE, i can tell you that!

3. There is a way that people can increase their chances of success - buying more tickets. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win the pot. To keep things fair, each additional ticket purchased costs double than the previous one.

4. Betroom's games are fast paced, giving its players the opportunity to win large amounts of money in a matter of seconds, every 20 seconds on average.

5. Last but NOT least, EVERYONE at Betroom is considered equal to everyone else, everyone is Joe. Betroom IS impartial, Betroom does NOT favour anyone, Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly, Betroom WANTS its players to win so that they become rich, independent, loyal and start trusting the concept, the work and dedication behind it. Betroom IS player-centric, finding itself at the opposing end of traditional casinos which are casino-centric.

Guys, i am really really really EXCITED to put this forth and i hope you can all see the BEAUTY of it the same as i did when i created it!

Yours truly, Joe."

Thanks for the answer, this is very helpful information for me.
I will start on one of your gaming sites, to find $ 1 luck in seconds, I am interested in trying this challenge. I hope I am lucky this time.
Of course every risk gambling must be there, this is what makes me excited and having fun.

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I will try at the Keno Frenzy game.

If you read my comment correctly you would have seen that "Joe" is the denomination that everyone gets in when joining Betroom, everyone is equal in Betroom's vision. Betroom is impartial (does not care which player wins), it s fair (all players have equal chances of winning the pot) and all games are designed in the same exact way (all players buy tickets, tickets' price minus the small 3% service charge goes to fill the pot, winner takes all). Betroom stands at the opposing pole of traditional casinos, Betroom WANTS people to win because it s client-centric, NOT casino-centric like all other casinos that have 99.99% odds of winning against its players. Betroom ONLY makes money by charging the 3% service fee, THAT S IT!

In order to understand the price structure of our tickets, you need to understand what a ticket does for a player. A ticket gives a player 1 chance to win the pot. If each player buys 1 ticket, the chance of each player winning the pot is 100% divided by the number of players. If a player wants to double, triple, quadruple etc. its changes of winning, that player needs to buy more tickets. It would not be fair if 1 player invested a large enough amount of money such that he can take other people's money every time. According to our tests, it would take roughly 100 tickets for someone to have an ABSOLUTE edge in anyone game against the others. But we made the ticket price so high that the world GDP would not be able to buy 100 tickets in one shot. Betroom wants EVERYONE to win, Betroom does NOT favour certain individuals, Betroom does NOT have any odds in the games, NONE of Betroom's employees is allowed to play the games, all-in-all Betroom is IMPARTIAL. If there is no winner in one game, the pot WILL roll over to the next game, such that Betroom will NEVER hold on to the pot and Betroom will NEVER charge a rolled-over pot a second time. Betroom charges 3% service fee when tickets are being bought. We made this structure to make sure we NEVER charge the pot and we NEVER charge tickets a second time. This is what we call a "provably fair" system, where there is CLEAR and CONCISE actions taken for the sake of TRANSPARENCY. Betroom aims to be so large to make a millionaire every 20 seconds. Betroom stands for FAIRNESS, EQUALITY and IMPARTIALITY. Betroom is ALWAYS on player's side and at the same time at the OPPOSING END of the traditional casino's side.

If you invest more money into buying tickets, you increase your chances of winning and also increase the pot size. Again, Betroom's ticket price structure is made that way NOT for Betroom to make more money, but to PREVENT people with a large enough capital to put a monopoly on its games so that EVERYONE has a chance of winning the pot. That s what we, at Betroom, stand for.
Also if a player buys a lot of tickets, it increases the pot so that a player buying a single ticket might get 1000 times its investment such that he gets a HUGE return on his investment.

I hope i answered your questions.

You can change the design of site, it is not smooth for the average gambler. Looks like the developers of the betroom get motivation from the Betfair which is the best gambling exchange for p2p trades. Especially for sports betting, some sites have liquidity providers and they only take a small commission form the winning side. Just a small suggestion, you can add no zero roulette and apply the commission form the winners.

Betroom is a TOTALLY new and different concept, unseen in the industry. I will quote a couple paragraphs from our website such that you will understand that we did not copy Betfair or any other concept for this matter:

"Hey guys, My name is Catalin, i m the owner and developer of this web app. There are a few things i want to share with you such that people will understand better why i chose this route.

1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake. It is a commission similar to concert ticket sellers/re-sellers or any other type of ticket selling business. And to be honest, 3% is 3 cents per dollar which is half what ticket resellers charge for selling tickets.

2. Another assumption that i want to tackle is that "Betroom is making money while players are losing money". Risk exists in anything we do, from eating our daily meals, going to work to brushing our teeth, therefore risk exists and it cannot be avoided. But it CAN be mitigated. Traditional casinos have no such interest because their bet is against the player, winning when the player loses, therefore making every possible move to increase their odds against the player. Aside from that, what are the odds a player has to predict an event correctly? The answer is simple, 100% divided by the number of possible outcomes. While a coin toss would yield a 50% chance of winning, a lottery game (6/49) would only give the player 1 chance out of 13,983,816 possible combinations to win the pot. It is fair to say that the casino wins EVERY time. Here BETROOM comes into play. I have designed all games such that players do not have to beat the odds to win the pot, they have to be better than the rest of the participants. Let s take Betroom's Stock Market Mania game. In the real stock market, losing money does not get you anywhere, except to being broke. Here, at Betroom, you can finish the trading session with less than the starting capital and still win the pot; you just have to lose less than the others to WIN the pot. This is the beauty of it, you don t have to be Nostradamus to make money, you just have to be better than your competition. Let s take another example, Betroom's Keno Frenzy game, the one who matches the most numbers takes the pot. The Rocket Crash game is no less better than the other games Betroom prides itself with; the winner is the player that jumps last off the rocket before it crashes. Betroom is NOT demanding its players to be foreseers, it demands them to be just better than their peers to win HUGE pots costing them less than 1$ per ticket. What game exists out there where people that have a losing score are being paid huge jackpots? NONE, i can tell you that!

3. There is a way that people can increase their chances of success - buying more tickets. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win the pot. To keep things fair, each additional ticket purchased costs double than the previous one.

4. Betroom's games are fast paced, giving its players the opportunity to win large amounts of money in a matter of seconds, every 20 seconds on average.

5. Last but NOT least, EVERYONE at Betroom is considered equal to everyone else, everyone is Joe. Betroom IS impartial, Betroom does NOT favour anyone, Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly, Betroom WANTS its players to win so that they become rich, independent, loyal and start trusting the concept, the work and dedication behind it. Betroom IS player-centric, finding itself at the opposing end of traditional casinos which are casino-centric.

Guys, i am really really really EXCITED to put this forth and i hope you can all see the BEAUTY of it the same as i did when i created it!

Yours truly, Joe.
"

Oh, thanks. That's good to hear then, much better then. It's because maybe of the Betcoin?
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This says it all, I slowly getting your point. Which before you can play on the site, you need to convert your Bitcoin to Betroom's Betcoin and convert it back to Bitcoin if you want to cash out off to their gambling site.
What a unique gambling site, I'll try this out soon.

Small change, you don't need to convert by yourself. Actually I had suggested to team for keep a convert button from Bitcoin to Betcoin. But team implemented a different processor from beginning. When you will make deposit then your bitcoin automatically will converted to betcoin accordingly. You don't need to touch anything, likely team want to save gamblers time. Same thing for withdrawals as well. During withdrawal you will have to Betcoin amount instead of Bitcoin. So website will calculate automatically how much Bitcoin will you receive when you will click on "Withdraw". Its quite conflict word about "Bitcoin & "Betcoin". Likely team could create a different color for Betcoin like I wrote. So users will not confuse about it.

I think Betcoin just a internal algorithm to pay game. There is no value outside of this site. Don't know if they have plan for future. Since exchange rate always same so nothing to worry for gamblers here. They will always get same bitcoin amount.

Tried checking the site today and the loading speed was pretty bad. Is it some kind of server issue op? Also, it would be better if you guys provided some sort of bonuses since I cannot find any bonuses on your site currently.

This makes sense now. This is basically like gambling with FIAT in certain sites(Converting from BTC to FIAT and vica versa). Useful information!

The site was down due to hosting company issues but it s back online now. The exchange rate is ALWAYS the same, 10,000 Betcoins for 1 Bitcoin. The plan is to expand the currency but for now it remains within Betroom's boundary. There is an automated conversion happening behind the scenes such that the user will never need to exchange manually.

Regarding bonuses, we cannot afford to offer bonuses due to the fact that we only take a 3% service charge for buying tickets. We are NOT a traditional casino that offers bonuses and then takes them back 10-fold. We are on the opposing side of traditional gambling. We offer fast paced games for people to play against other people and we offer them equal chances of winning the pot, an offer that casinos can NEVER match. Above that, we don t have ANY odds of winning in the games. All games are designed to place a small bet worth less than 1$ and potentially get back a virtually unlimited amount, depending on how large the pot is.

Aside from everything said, players do NOT have to beat the odds to win any game, they need to be just better than everyone else, better than their peers to win the pot. Let s take the Stock Market Mania game for example. In the real stock market if you lose money, you are a loser basically. Here, at Betroom, even if your ending capital is below your starting capital at the end of the trading session, but you are above everyone else, you STILL take the pot, you still WIN. All games are designed in the same way such that people do not have to guess the exact outcome of an event, they have to be closer to the actual value than their peers to win the pot. This is something new in the industry and a totally different approach to the gaming industry as a whole.

Got it finally. I think it would be better if you highlighted this part in the op since this can get confusing really quickly. 

Makes sense. I got into the habit of using the bonuses whenever I sign up on gambling sites which is why I expected the same from this site, but I understand why you guys cannot provide bonuses currently. However, it is good to see you guys conducting a signature campaign to increase exposure.

I dont know if im the only one who do experience such long loading issue.I do have fast internet connection but the site loads up 15-30 seconds using up Chrome?

The site usually loads in less than 2 seconds. We are not using a CDN (content delivery network), so depending on where you are it might take longer but 15 to 30 seconds is WAY too much. Can you do a speed test? Here s a link: https://www.speedtest.net/

It shouldnt on problem considering on my current connection.
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Is it always loading so slow? Your bandwidth looks fine to me. Do you have any traffic shaping software or maybe your ISP? I m asking because ISPs increase bandwidth to/from known speed test sites but your actual bandwidth could bee 10-20-30 times slower. They do this often to make more money tricking clients. There are tools that can give you an accurate number in regards to your uploads/download speed. I suggest checking this site out:

https://www.howtogeek.com/165481/how-to-test-if-your-isp-is-throttling-your-internet-connection/

Im fully aware with that ISP connection tricks or whatsoever and i can tell that this isnt connected to that yet i can play 2x tabs of youtube videos that having 4k reso.So my connection isnt the issue for sure.

I do have plan on accessing it on other browser aside from Chrome and lets see if theres some changes in loading times.

What OS are you using? If windows 10 then try to flush DNS https://www.technipages.com/flush-and-reset-the-dns-resolver-cache-using-ipconfig or simply reset your router.I can access the site without any problems.

Just now I tried from my phone and from chrome browser, website loaded within 7 sec for me and I think it's a normal loading time for such gambling sites. Are you sure your browser is up to date? Have you tried after clear cache? I will suggest try it with some other internet providers from your friends. If you using broadband then try to refresh by resetting and also try some other providers. This problem would happend from them as well. Since its working for me and for some other as well, so it should work for you as well.

Im using up fibr network and yes my chrome is updated and even tried to reinstall it but it do still have the same problem.I would understand on 7 sec loading but for 15+ onwards then theres something wrong either with my pc or internet.@milewilda yes im using windows 10 and i followed your tip but the problem still persist.

In my opinion you should contact your ISP in this case. There s a string chance they traffic shape different regions of the world. If there s no other issue with any other site i don t see any reason why this happens solely here.

Problem is already resolved.

Tried to restart the modem for 3x and followed again on what milewilda said above and reinstall Chrome and now it works fine where it do loads 2-4 seconds even using other browsers as well. Thanks everyone for the help!

I forgot my password and tried the lost password page of Betroom which is here: https://betroom.eu/forgot-password
Then I can't proceed, no response after I click the button "SEND RESET LINK".
I don't know if it is because of my IP Address? For both on my desktop computer and mobile phone, I can't reset my password.
Looking forward to fixing this immediately since I am still exploring the gambling site, thanks.

can u please give me your username? I will send you the password to the email provided at registration. I will fix this asap.

Because legislation prevented us from delivering the product as is, we considered it would be best to not fall under any jurisdiction's laws and adopted crypto currency payments, therefore any fiat currency will not be accepted.
Banning a country's ip addresses from accessing the website is like sifting flour - 99.99% will go through using a VPN service.
On the other hand we are VERY strict regarding minors, we STRICTLY forbid minors from joining the website and if we have ANY suspicion that a minor is in fact playing, we will ban the account, the email address and the ip address(es) associated with that account.

Thanks for that, I'll wait for it to be fix in the website so I can reset by my own.

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By the way I have the question on the platform itself.
For example there are no available players for this particular game in Betroom, that means I can't able to play? I should wait a  real person to play before I able to play?

Because Betroom is a 100% Peer-to-Peer betting platform, the BIG challenge for us is to synchronize players in such a way that they will be online at the same time. This task alone
        is close to impossible, given that players come from all over the world having different schedules and time zones. We figured a way around this problem by creating an automated betting system that will not only save players' valuable time but also synchronize them automatically rather than by chance. This system will be available next week along with minor bug fixes including the "reset password" fix.

I am seeing that betroom staff is actively addressing their players' issues here.
I hope this will continue all throughout as this will attract more players on their site.
Even if it is p2p betting website, they already managed to get handful of players, which, is actually a difficult task for p2p.

Getting players together is indeed a difficult challenge, that s why we introduced our new Automated Betting System.

This is Betroom's automated bet placing system. Because Betroom is a 100% Peer-to-Peer betting platform, the BIG challenge for us is to synchronize players in such a way that they will be online at the same time. This task alone is close to impossible, given that players come from all over the world having different schedules and time tables. We figured a way around this problem by creating an automated system that will not only save players' valuable time but also synchronise them automatically rather than by chance. We introduce you the 'Betroom Bot', an artificial intelligence that will place all the bets on your behalf.

Log into your account, credit your account and set the bot up. It will do the rest on its own.
 

Thanks for explanation, I were quite confused how bot will work, behalf of me or behalf of website. Now its pretty clear that bot will work for each players. So that means any gamblers would set game accordingly on bot, someone from other side could place the bet against bot.

I have a question, for example say I have place some bet on the bot, and someone from other end playing against me. Will other end user realized that he/she is playing against bot? If not then it would be better to marked somehow that other end playing against a bot.

Another concern is when a gamblers will play he could decide realtime what he should do, but I don't think bot is able to do it. So it would discourage gamblers to gamble with bot. Let's see if your idea gonna work.

First off, the bots are actually players setting up an automated system first, to synchronise each other and second, to save time. The bot is devoid of any feelings whatsoever, his decisions are made out of a pure rng structure. The tests we have made are surprisingly interesting. We played against the bots several times and one thing that he has and we lack is consistency. Some bots keep on getting constantly good results over time whereas us humans sometimes beat them but more than often lose because we tend to make decisions based upon feelings or what we believe might come to pass. Players can disable the bots at anytime and join in the game.

This might be a long term solution for players to set up and a short term solution for us to gather players online at the same time until the platform gets large enough.

There s also another update on the pipeline that changes the dynamic slightly by making the games wait for a certain number of players before they start the countdown timer towards game start. This ensures a minimum pot value.

This is a very good one in the casino industry if you guys really get the change dine. In other to make the change in the industry, you guys will really need to get message across to real people who are in the casino activities via signature campaign and it her social media campaign that let people know of your products.

Thank you so much for taking your time to give us your honest feedback. We are trying our best to let people know about our innovative and unique product. Soon together we will show EVERYONE that the era of traditional casinos is OVER and people are entitled to the 97% of the money instead of just 3% of it. Our business model stand at the opposing pole of traditional casinos, we only take 3% off of ticket sales and the rest of 97% goes to the players.

With a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose, right?

A logical way to look at this situation. You have higher chance to win but the more you lose also.
And I don't think players will be motivated to buy additional tickets as the cost is getting expensive.
Is there another approach on this? In some cases, you can get a discount if you buy additional tickets but this one is the opposite???

It s called a SERVICE fee, and compared to the 97% that traditional casinos rip from total players' betting pool, the 3% is nothing in comparison. Since we don t have any odds of winning in the games, we only charge a small service fee, half of what ticket sellers charge for concert tickets. But buying more tickets increases your chances of winning the pot as well.

Buying more tickets means buying yourself more chances of success. Let s take the Keno game. If you one person has enough money to buy all possible outcomes it means that it will win all the time. This is NOT what we want on our platform, people that come in and try to rig the system. We want a fair platform where everyone gets a chance to win the pot and if someone tries to rig the game it has to pay an absurd amount of money in doing so, so absurd that it surpasses Apple's current market cap. Each additional ticket costs double the the previous such that it gets way more expensive if you want to increase your odds significantly. But in doing so you are increasing the pot to such an extent that someone buying only 1 ticket might split the pot with you or even take it.

In poker tournaments they call it an entry fee, at poker cash games they call it rake, at bacarrat they call it a commission.

In the end, the only difference between taking a fee or having an edge is variance.

3% fee = every single day the players will overall lose 3% over whatever the risk.  The more they risk, the more they lose.  The more they lose, the more you profit.

3% edge has variance, but over time same result.  

There's nothing wrong with this, it's how gambling works.  You should make money, especially if you offer a good product.

But telling players that the more they risk the more success they will have, and that's what makes your site different than all the others, means you're either dishonest or ignorant.

It is clear that you have absolutely NO idea of how our website is built and how the games are built as well and you still keep on commenting from your position of total lack of knowledge.

I will quote you what it s written on the website cause if your lack of desire to understand the product, pure ignorance or solely laziness didn t make you want to understand the product and still comment on it, then i thought i would post the explanation for you here directly:

 "
Hey guys, My name is Catalin, i m the owner and developer of this web app. There are a few things i want to share with you such that people will understand better why i chose this route.

1. First off, there is only a 3% fee deducted when the players buy their tickets, therefore this is not a rake. It is a commission similar to concert ticket sellers/re-sellers or any other type of ticket selling business. And to be honest, 3% is 3 cents per dollar which is half what ticket resellers charge for selling tickets.

Another assumption that i want to tackle is that "Betroom is making money while players are losing money". Risk exists in anything we do, from eating our daily meals, going to work to brushing our teeth, therefore risk exists and it cannot be avoided. But it CAN be mitigated. Traditional casinos have no such interest because their bet is against the player, winning when the player loses, therefore making every possible move to increase their odds against the player. Aside from that, what are the odds a player has to predict an event correctly? The answer is simple, 100% divided by the number of possible outcomes. While a coin toss would yield a 50% chance of winning, a lottery game (6/49) would only give the player 1 chance out of 13,983,816 possible combinations to win the pot. It is fair to say that the casino wins EVERY time. Here BETROOM comes into play. I have designed all games such that players do not have to beat the odds to win the pot, they have to be better than the rest of the participants. Let s take Betroom's Stock Market Mania game. In the real stock market, losing money does not get you anywhere, except to being broke. Here, at Betroom, you can finish the trading session with less than the starting capital and still win the pot; you just have to lose LESS than the others to WIN the pot. This is the beauty of it, you don t have to be Nostradamus to make money, you just have to be better than your competition. Let s take another example, Betroom's Keno Frenzy game, the one who matches the most numbers takes the pot. The Rocket Crash game is no less better than the other games Betroom prides itself with; the winner is the player that jumps last off the rocket before it crashes. Betroom is NOT demanding its players to be foreseers, it demands them to be just better than their peers to win HUGE pots costing them less than 1$ per ticket. What game exists out there where people that have a losing score are being paid huge jackpots? NONE, i can tell you that!

While traditional casinos demand you to be RIGHT every time to win, Betroom demands you be better than the rest of your peers to win. Your chances of success are now 100% divided by the number of players which is quite different than 100% divided by 13,983,816. Also if you buy MORE tickets then your chances of success increase proportionally.

3. There is a way that people can increase their chances of success - buying more tickets. The more tickets you buy, the more chances you have to win the pot. To keep things fair, each additional ticket purchased costs double than the previous one.

4. Betroom's games are fast paced, giving its players the opportunity to win large amounts of money in a matter of seconds, every 20 seconds on average.

5. Last but NOT least, EVERYONE at Betroom is considered equal to everyone else, everyone is Joe. Betroom IS impartial, Betroom does NOT favour anyone, Betroom does NOT have any odds of winning in any of its games and, most importantly, Betroom WANTS its players to win so that they become rich, independent, loyal and start trusting the concept, the work and dedication behind it. Betroom IS player-centric, finding itself at the opposing end of traditional casinos which are casino-centric.

Guys, i am really really really EXCITED to put this forth and i hope you can all see the BEAUTY of it the same as i did when i created it!

Yours truly, Joe.
"

Regarding the 3% service fee. That fee increases PROPORTIONALLY to the number of tickets you buy. If you desire to increase your risk, the proportion STILL remains the same, it does not increase, only the amount increases. But this comes into play when you desire to have greater odds than the rest.

All games on the Betroom platform are designed in the following way:
         - people buy tickets to participate in a game; buying more tickets offers more chances of winning the pot
         - 3% of the tickets' price represents the service fee that goes to Betroom while the rest of 97% of the tickets' price is added to the pot
         -each game allows for an unlimited amount of players, therefore an unlimited pot
         - the player who finishes first is the winner
         - winner takes all

The fact that Betroom takes a 3% fee compared to traditional casinos that offer 1 to 13,983,816 odds AGAINST the player, therefore winning EVERY time makes a WORLD of difference. A difference so large that traditional casinos make 97% out of players' money while Betroom is found at the opposing end making a measly 3% of it. A 3% service fee does NOT give me an edge against the players, Betroom NEVER bets against its players, and if you take a traditional casino that makes 97% of the betted amounts against the 3% that players make, now you have to reverse that and get to Betroom's so called "edge" and as we stand Betroom makes 3% and players make 97% of the betted amount. How do you call that an edge? How does that compare to traditional casinos? It s simple, it ISN'T and it DOESN'T.

If you have a glimpse of rationale left in your brain you ll understand that we are a TOTALLY different animal altogether, we give the players' whats rightfully theirs, they are entitled to have access and the possibility to win 97% of the total betted amount and NOT 3% of what you guys offer (i assume you are a frustrated casino owner/promoter as it is seen from your comments so far).

Last but not least i will share to you Betroom's vision, though i know you didn t bother to read that as well:

"We believe in our hearts that you, the people that comprise Betroom, will allow us to help others see an alternative to the mainstream casino. The days of the house winning 97% of the time are numbered. Together we will show that taking risk is not a dirty thing hidden in the shadows but actually a fun way to connect with like minded individuals. Each industry, throughout human history, has had to adapt and change. Medicine, transportation, communications, and even banking have had to change to keep up with the times. The casino industry is in need of an overhaul! This site symbolizes this change! Together we can exercise our right to execute real change to an industry in need of it. Let’s make our community great and encourage others to help us! This is how we win! Together!"

How is this different than a poker tournament that costs $100 to enter and $97 goes to the prize pool, 3% to the house.
True, but the more you buy, the lower your return on investment will be.

The value will remain the same though, each ticket sold is worth 97% of whatever they paid for it.


Huh?  If there are 10 players who each bought the same amount of tickets, would they not each have a 10% chance to win?\

Poker tournament - 9 players and a dealer with a LIMITED pot

Betroom's games - UNLIMITED number of players with an UNLIMITED pot
  

     Everything else, relate to my last reply.

Poker tournament, unlimited players with unlimited prize pool, there is no dealer if it's online, they use software...same as you.

Return on investment decreases but chances of success increase, it s a trade people have to take and trades you take in all walks of life from buying your groceries to the very existence itself, it s called "conservation of energy", a concept i fully recommend you to study about.

If people will buy the same amount of tickets, indeed the odds of winning would be the same for all of them but that s why Betroom offers them the possibility to buy more, to increase their odds. Increasing the odds comes with a cost - increasing the risk. Betroom doubles the price for each additional ticket bought to not offer a single person the possibility to buy all possible outcomes, therefore ALWAYS giving others the possibility of winning the pot.

Betroom allows players to increase their odds, as i said, by buying more tickets.

You also said:

And there are poker tournaments that allow players to buy in unlimited times.

Also Betroom's games are FAST - a game starts every 20 seconds allowing a winner every 20 seconds. A feat that NO other website is capable of providing.
Poker games take forever to complete while our games complete at an average rate of 20 seconds.

Now you suddenly shifted from comparing traditional casinos where people bet against the house to a single game "poker". It is indeed close to online poker tournaments but it s far different from it, from gameplay to rate of games played per minute.

Now you are starting to realise the GENIUS in Betroom. That is a good thing.

All I'm saying is that with a 3% fee, each ticket is worth 97% of the price, so the more tickets you buy, the more you lose.  Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful.  It doesn't matter how much you spend, 3% of it will go to you and the rest will go to the players.

You're the owner of the site right? 

Buying back in is not always the case in poker, but buying more tickets with Betroom is ALWAYS a possibility for the taking. Buying back in in poker is totally different than buying more tickets with Betroom. In a poker tournament if you buy back in and anyone can buy back in, the chances of winning stay the same, but with Betroom one can have "more" buy ins per event/session to increase the chances of success for that particular event/session

"Buying more tickets for one game will increase your chances of winning, but it won't make you more successful."

WHAT is that? Increasing the chances of success WILL and DOES make you more successful in all walks of life, the MORE you put in, the MORE you get out of it. There are some concepts in life that you seem to NOT understand. I am unsure if it s your desire to overlook them or pure lack of knowledge, but before making statements, please go on and study the matter in question. Of course it matters how much you spend, if you spend more you CAN become more successful.

No.

Risking $1 to win $100 1% of the time and risking $100 to make $1 99% of the time will be equally 'successful' bets.

The only thing that changes is variance. 

Buying more tickets allows you to win more often, but your profit will be less than if you bought just one ticket.  This is basic stuff here.

By saying:
"Risking $1 to win $100 1% of the time and risking $100 to make $1 99% of the time will be equally 'successful' bets."

You are just rolling numbers around like balls in an 8-ball game. If i run 1 mile north and 3 miles south i m running 25% of the times north and 75% of the times south. This is why you have a brain, to ANALYZE the pot and what others are doing to know what position you take against the others.

Now replying to this:

"Buying more tickets allows you to win more often, but your profit will be less than if you bought just one ticket.  This is basic stuff here."

Let s play the coin tossing game, you allow me 10 free strikes against you while you have a single one against me so that a game ends after 11 strikes, 10 for me 1 for you. It s needless to say that i beat the crap out of you 10 out of 11 times. Doesn t this make me a winner? If this doesnt, what else will?

You certainly did NOT understand the games i built that combine skill with a random number generator proving classic statistics to be inaccurate the least. I can back up what i m saying by directly challenging him to a game of Rocket Crash where i hold only 2 tickets while you hold 1 ticket and i can prove that i will beat you way better than the ratio of 2:1, proving the point that the higher number of tickets gives a more of an exponential than a proportional edge over competition. This has been tested by ourselves many times over, that s why the ticket prices rise exponentially and not linearly.

It would need to be better than a 3:1 win ratio to prove your point (I spend 1, you spend 1 + 2).

Let's say you bought 10 tickets though and 10 other people each bought 1 ticket.

Let's also just say first ticket costs $1 for simplicity.

You would spend a total of $1,023 on your 10 tickets and the other 10 players would spend $1 each, so the total spent on tickets would be $1,033.

$1,033 total spent
3% fee = $30.99
Prizepool = $1002.01

You would have a very high chance of successfully turning your $1,023 into $1002.01.

Looks cool, any promo codes?

Spending doesn t work like that. The formula for tickets' cost is 2 pow (n-1), where n is the number of tickets bought, so if you buy 1 ticket it costs you 1 Betcoin (1 Betcoin = 0.0001 Bitcoins). If i buy 2 tickets it costs me 2 Betcoins.
Now, if we bet against each other EVERY time, i would put down 2, you would put down 1, so 3 in total. If we keep betting continuously like this, Betroom's fee would be equal to the ticket's cost in 33 and 1/3 games. So, in order for me to be profitable i would need to break out of the 2:1 ratio, which holds me captive in an equal risk/return loop, PLUS Betroom's fee per game. To make up for Betroom's fee i would need an advantage of 3% of the 3 tickets, that is 9% of your ticket. So, every game i need a 9% advantage over you to break even, that is, i need an additional win every 11 games, leading to a 2.27:1 ratio - let s round it up to a 2.3:1 ratio. That s ONLY a 15% advantage over the 2:1 ratio, far from your 3:1 ratio, to start making money. Our tests indicate that every 25 games, with a 2:1 ticket ratio, you get a 18.5:6.5 ratio, that is roughly 2.85:1. At this pace you MAKE money. So, if you want to test this with me we can go ahead and do it, if not, do revise your negative review over my website, a review that was not even tested before it was put up.

Thank you so much. We don t have any promos, we are a 100% Peer-to-Peer betting website, there s no house, we only take a 3% fee off of ticket sales. Once the platform generates more interest i will add gifts. For the moment, since we are at the very beginning, we do not have promotions.

Direct question:
In the rocket game, if 10 people bought 1 ticket each, and you bought 11 tickets total, how much would you spend for the 11 tickets, and how much would the prize be if you won.  

Same scenario, but you bought 12 tickets instead of 11.  How much would the 12 tickets cost, and what would the prize be.

10 people bought 1 ticket each means 10 Betcoins
1 person buying 11 tickets that is 1024 Betcoins
total pot = 1034 Betcoins

10 people bought 1 ticket each means 10 Betcoins
1 person buying 12 tickets that is 2048 Betcoins
total pot = 2058 Betcoins

It s the same calculation as before, but the ratio does not get in a 2:1 since the tickets' ratio is 11/10 and 12/10 respectively. If you want to get into a 2:1 ratio with the rest, and get an almost 50% advantage, you need the BIG bucks to do it, otherwise play along with the rest. This is what i tried to achieve here from the onset.

I can change the game such that each additional ticket will cost the same as the previous one, therefore having a linear increase in ticket prices with quantity but it would get into a bidding game, which i can do but it depends if people want that as well. It s up to them, not to me. It wouldn t be fair if you ask me since if 1 person wins 1 pot then he will win all upcoming pots in the same circumstances. I tried hard to avoid this, that s why i came up with an exponential increase in ticket prices, so that it gets exponentially harder to control a game as more people join it.

What about the 3% fee?  Wouldn't the total pot be 1034 - 31.02 fee = 1002.98 pot in the first example and 2058 - 61.79 fee =1996.27 pot in the second example?

Yes i missed that, that s correct. The calculations still hold, i just forgot the fee, i m doing a lot of things right now.

So in both of these scenarios, the player who bought the most tickets would lose the most no matter what.  And if they bought another ticket, they would lose even more.  

Is this true, or am I missing something?

You have to commit to a larger number of tickets when the pot (excluding your investment) reaches at least 3% of your total investment, given that at every 11 games you must have a 1 game advantage in order to break even. Since your investment is exponentially larger and your win/lose ratio decreases, you would lose money if you were to have a big investment. There are 2 viable solutions to make gains, buy all possible combinations OR get in with a maximum of 4 tickets to keep your win ratio above the rest (given that the rest is a low number of players). As i said before, i discourage a bidding game  up to a certain level, the level being a handful of players where the bid is relatively small.

In both of these scenarios, the player who bought the most tickets would lose the most no matter what.  And if they bought another ticket, they would lose even more.   <== is this true or false, just want to be clear

what scenarios are you talking about? I said that if a player buys all possible combinations he wins every time, if he buys less than or equal to 4 tickets and the player number is lower than 4 he also gains every time. The rest of the cases he loses. What else?

Oh, your 2 scenarios, yes, he loses.

As i said, i discourage a bidding game up to a certain point, but if the community so wishes, i will adapt to it.

Regarding your statement : "A lot of red flags with betroom.eu

The owner/developer is either being intentionally deceitful or doesn't really understand the basics of how casinos work."

I showed you that you are totally wrong. I exposed my point of view, i said that bidding is not on the table (only up to a certain point) AND buying more tickets GIVES you an advantage in the scenarios i have showed you. But, since all this information is publicly available (ticket prices, game stats, general stats, etc) for people to make their own assumptions and objectively prove that i m right, i do not see how i am "deceitful or doesn't really understand the basics of how casinos work.". You are looking for the scammers very hard i see and when you can t find one, you make one up. Well, given the circumstances and the proof i have put forth, you deceive people into thinking you have found something when in reality you are just lying to them. 

I don't think you're a scammer, I just think you're misleading potential players and then trying to defend the misleading statements with a bunch of deflection and convoluted arguments.

You're also not very transparent at all.  The rules are not clear, nothing is provably fair, and, at least in the rocket game, players just have to trust that you aren't simply beating them yourself because you know exactly when the rocket will explode.

You take a 3% fee from each bet, that's fine.  But whether it's a fee or a house edge doesn't matter, the players will on average lose %3 of what they bet.

You claim the more you bet the more 'success' you have.  Yet, your rocket games offer scenarios where the player has literally a 0% chance to profit.  The more they bet the more they lose.  

I have ZERO interest in favouring a winner since i am only taking a 3% fee. Again, i am at the opposing end of traditional casinos that take 97% instead of 3% and that i showed in one of my first messages in the posts i wrote you.

Nothing is convoluted, i explained above if wee bet against each other i WILL have an edge and i WILL make money even adding Betroom's 3% fee, i will make GURANTEED money as a player.

If there are more players involved, as i said, that money is not guaranteed, but you have the all the ingredients you need to make the assumptions yourself, i don t need to tell people how to do their due diligence. There are scenarios that make them money, as i showed you. If people so desire i can create a system so that players who bet more have guaranteed success, like the following system: every ticket costs 1% less than the previous ticket. This way if you buy 20 tickets it costs you roughly 17 Betcoins and if you play against 10 other players that buy 1 ticket each it costs them 10 Betcoins in total. Your risk/reward ratio is 17/10 and your winners/losers ratio is 2:1. If you account for Betroom's 3% (6% out of your profits) it leads to a winning system for the player who buys more tickets (33 betcoins profit for the 2:1 player to be exact every 33 matches played). I purposely put the tickets' prices higher in order to discourage them to buy more tickets. I couldn t care less who is the winner, i want EVERYONE to win and return. I don t want to create a money making system for the high bidders, i want to discourage that but, again, if people want to win in every circumstance where they buy more tickets, then i am transparent and open to that as well.

I am not a scammer, i can even show you the source code since i am the programmer myself, i never bet against my players and i can show that as well. I have nothing to hide and if you blame me of something you need to bring facts, otherwise just shut up. You might look intelligent to the average person but i m an engineer and a damn good one, numbers and facts are my specialty and i can prove all my statements ANYTIME with solid proof.

Provably fair is a nonsense as you already know, there is a random number generator which any programmer has access to, but since my system is built around players playing against other players, why would i hit myself in the head when it s really not necessary? Why should i risk my business and taint my name in doing so? If there is a way to show people that, i am going to ABSOLUTELY do it. But if you haven t got solid proof to accuse me of something, i advise you to stay in your lane and mind your business because you look stupid coming up with imaginary claims. Here you didn t find your scammer, you just found a site that s totally different than the rest and a person open to back up anything he says, anytime.

The fact you're taking a fee has nothing to do with whether or not you would play on your site and use information that only you have access to to gain an unfair advantage over players.  You could easily do this undetected and make more money.


The traditional casino doesn't take 97%.  If they offer a game with a 3% house edge, they will profit 3% of the total wagered, just like you.


You're uninformed about provably fair.  Do some research.

Cool, post it.

Cool, prove it.  Make it so that you couldn't exploit the players even if you wanted to also...of course this would require a provably fair system which you think is nonsense.

I will take care of all your nonsense one step at a time.

1. I m posting the code (backend) and since it s a lot, i will have 1 post for each game. Here's Keno Frenzy


Keno Frenzy

This is the code that generates the numbers, broadcasts the results and controls the auto-pilot (automated betting system for players)

var ev
var kenoBet = require ('../../models/Keno Frenzy/keno.model')
var keno = []
var result
var kenoValue
var kenoWinner = require('./winner')
var objects = require ('../../objects')
var duplicates = require ('../../duplicates')
var autoPilot = require('../../auto-pilot')
var time = 1

module.exports = function (socket, kenoCB, breakCB, event, kenoPotSchema, User, kenoSchema) {

    function getRandomIntInclusive(min, max) {
        min = Math.ceil(min);
        max = Math.floor(max);
        return Math.floor(Math.random() * (max - min + 1)) + min; //The maximum is inclusive and the minimum is inclusive
      }

(function () {
      var caller = arguments.callee
    var interval1 =  setInterval(() => {
        kenoValue = getRandomIntInclusive(1, 80)
        result = keno.find((val) => {return val === kenoValue})
        while( result !== undefined ){
            kenoValue = getRandomIntInclusive(1, 80)
            result = keno.find((val) => {return val === kenoValue})
        }
       
        keno.push(kenoValue)
        socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('keno-plot', {kenoValue: kenoValue, draw: keno, event: ev})
        kenoCB(kenoValue)
       
        if (time === 1) {
            clearInterval(interval1)
   
                    kenoSchema.find({event: ev}, (e1,r1) => {
                            r1.forEach((val) => {
                                  const result = keno.concat(val.chosenNumbers)
                                  kenoSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(val._id, {matched: duplicates(result), $set: {draw: keno}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                                        socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('table', {avatar: r2.avatar, username: r2.username, matched: r2.matched})
                                  })
                            })
                            keno.length = 0
                            var pause = 20
                            kenoWinner(socket, ev, kenoPotSchema, User, kenoSchema, () => {
                                objects.kenoPlayers = 0
                                ev = Date.now()
                                event(ev)
                                breakCB(pause)
                                socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('break', {break: pause})
                                kenoPotSchema.find({}, (e, rf) => {
                                    var pot = 0
                                    rf.forEach((obj) => {
                                        pot = pot + obj.pot
                                    })
                                kenoPotSchema.remove({}, () => {

                                kenoPotSchema.create({
                                    pot: 0 + pot,
                                    timeOfInsertionms: Date.now(),
                                    event: ev
                                }).then((finalPot) => {
                                autoPilot.preKeno(pause, ev, socket)
                                var int = setInterval(() => {
                                kenoBet.countDocuments({event: ev}, (err, count) => {
                                    if (count >= 1) {
                                        clearInterval(int)
                                        socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('remaining', {remaining: 0})

                                var interval2 = setInterval(() => {
                         
                                     socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('break', {break: pause})
                                     breakCB(pause)
                                     if (pause === 1) {

                                         clearInterval(interval2)
                                         time = 10
                                         kenoBet.countDocuments({event: ev}, (err, count) => {
                                             objects.kenoPlayers = count !== undefined ? count : 0
                                            socket.of('/api/online').emit('players', {rocket: objects.rocketPlayers, keno: objects.kenoPlayers, stock: objects.stockPlayers})
                                         })
                                         caller()
                                     }
                                     pause--
                         
                                 }, 1000)

            }
            else {
                socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('remaining', {remaining: 10 - count})
            }
        })
                                                                        }, 1000)
                          })
                   
                })
    })
            })})
        }

            time--
       

      }, 1000)
    })()
   
    }




This is the code called inside the previous block to split the pot between the winner(s).




var topEarners = require ('../../models/Top 3/top-earners.model')

module.exports = function (socket, event, kenoPotSchema, User, kenoSchema, cb) {

    kenoSchema.aggregate([
        {$match: {$and:[{event: event}]} },
        {$group: {
            _id: "$matched",
            winners: {$push:'$username'}
        }},
        {$sort:{_id:-1}},
        {$limit:1} 
  ]).then((res) => {

        if (res.length > 0 && event) {
            kenoPotSchema.findOne({event: event}, (e, r) => {

                var partialPot = r.pot / res[0].winners.length
                res[0].winners.forEach((winner) => {
                    User.findOneAndUpdate({username: winner}, {$inc:{accountValue: partialPot}}, {new:true}, (e3, r3) => {
                        topEarners.create({
                            username: r3.username,
                            avatar: r3.avatar,
                            winnings: partialPot,
                            timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()                           
                        }).then(() => {})
                        socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('table', {avatar: r3.avatar, event: event, username: winner, matched: res[0]._id, result: 'winner'})
                    })
                })
                kenoPotSchema.findByIdAndDelete(r._id, () => {
                    cb()
                })
        })
        }
        else {
            cb()
             }

    })

}


Here is the code for the auto-pilot called in the same first block:



exports.preKeno = function (kenoPause, kenoEvent, socket) {
    kenoArr.forEach((player) => {
        User.findOne({username: player.username}, (e1, resp) => {
        if(player.noOfGames !== 0 && resp.accountValue >= Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1)) {
            if (player.noOfGames !== -1) {
             const index = kenoArr.indexOf(player)
             kenoArr.splice(index, 1, {
                username: player.username,
                avatar: player.avatar,
                chosenNumbers: player.chosenNumbers,
                tickets: player.tickets,
                noOfGames: player.noOfGames - 1
             })
             }
            //  User.findOne({username: player.username}, (eee1, resss) => {
              if (kenoPause > 1 && resp.accountValue >= Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1) && player.tickets >= 1 && player.chosenNumbers.length === 10 + (player.tickets-1)) {
                    kenoSchema.findOne({username: player.username, event: kenoEvent}, (err, res) => {
                          if (!res || res === null || res === undefined) {
                                kenoSchema.create({
                                      username: player.username,
                                      avatar: player.avatar,
                                      ticketsPrice: Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1),
                                      tickets: player.tickets,
                                      availableTickets: player.tickets,
                                      chosenNumbers: player.chosenNumbers,
                                      timeOfInsertion: new Date(Date.now()),
                                      timeOfInsertionms: Date.now(),
                                      event: kenoEvent
                                }).then((val) => {
                                      topTickets.create({
                                            username: val.username,
                                            avatar: val.avatar,
                                            tickets: val.tickets,
                                            timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()                           
                                        }).then(() => {})
                                      //  player.soc.emit('buy-ticket', {tickets: val.tickets, event: val.event})
                                            socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('table', {avatar: val.avatar, username: val.username, event: val.event})
                                            User.findOneAndUpdate({username: val.username}, {$inc: {accountValue: -val.ticketsPrice}}, (e, r555) => {

                                                  revenue.findOneAndUpdate({game: 'Keno Frenzy'}, {$inc:{amount: 0.03 * val.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (ex, rx) => {
                                                        if (rx && rx !== undefined && rx !== null) {
                                                              kenoPotSchema.findOneAndUpdate({event: kenoEvent}, {$inc:{pot: 0.97 * val.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                                                                    socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('pot', {pot: r2.pot, event: r2.event})
                                                              })
                                                        }
                                                        else {
                                                              revenue.create({
                                                                    game: 'Keno Frenzy',
                                                                    amount: 0.03 * val.ticketsPrice                                                             
                                                              }).then(() => {
                                                                    kenoPotSchema.findOneAndUpdate({event: kenoEvent}, {$inc:{pot: 0.97 * val.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                                                                          socket.of('/api/keno-frenzy').emit('pot', {pot: r2.pot, event: r2.event})
                                                                    })
                                                              })
                                                        }
                                                  })


                                            })
                                       
                                       
                                })
                          }
                          else{

                          }
                    })
               
              }
          //  })
     }
     else {
        autoPilot.findOneAndUpdate({username: player.username}, {
            keno: false,
            avatar: player.avatar,
            $set:{'kenoSettings.$.chosenNumbers': [],
                  'kenoSettings.$.tickets': 0,
                  'kenoSettings.$.noOfGames': 0}
       }, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
            const index = kenoArr.indexOf(player)
            kenoArr.splice(index, 1)
       })
     }
    })
    })
}

Dismantling your shit:

The traditional casino doesn't take 97%.  If they offer a game with a 3% house edge, they will profit 3% of the total wagered, just like you.


I m not sure if you are hired by a casino to do this yourself but you sure sound like it. The more possible outcomes an event has, lesser the chances of success the player has. Actually it s inversely proportional. Looking at the lottery game, where a ticket gives you 0.00000715% chances of winning the pot, how in the hell is the player favoured or the casino having ONLY a 3% edge here when in fact the casino has a 99.99999% edge? Are you on drugs or something? You are clearly out of your fucking mind to even state stupid shit like this. If you want to at least "look" intelligent, better shut up. If you want to BE intelligent, do your homework first and then start posting.

This is the formula i constructed to determine the profit per game:

[Mt x Re - Ct x Ri - 3% x (Mt x Re + Ct x Ri)] / (Mt + Ct)

Where:

Mt = my tickets (same as "my wins")
Ct = community tickets (same as "my losses")
Re = reward (community tickets' cost)
Ri = risk (my tickets' cost)

I have decided to change tickets' price (next update) such that each additional ticket costs 1% less than the previous ticket. According to the above formula, the highest bidders have a slight edge up to a certain point, that point being the 3% fee being greater than or equal to the profit, that is: Mt x Re - Ct x Ri.

Rocket Crash (it was initially line crash but i didn t change the url)

var winner = require('./winner')
var start
var rocketBet = require ('../../models/lc-bet.model')
var objects = require ('../../objects')
var autoPilot = require ('../../auto-pilot')
var jump = require ('../../arrays').rocketJump
var r = 0
var ri = r

module.exports = function (socket, cbLine, LcPot, LcBet, User, cbStart, cbPause) {

    function getRandomIntInclusive(min, max) {
        min = Math.ceil(min);
        max = Math.floor(max);
        return Math.floor(Math.random() * (max - min + 1)) + min; //The maximum is inclusive and the minimum is inclusive
      }

var room = 'linecrash';

    (function () {
        var caller = arguments.callee

            var int1 = setInterval(() => {
                 if (r === 0) {
                    jump.length = 0
                    objects.rocketPlayers = 0
                    clearInterval(int1)

                    winner(start, ri, LcBet, LcPot, User, (ss) => {
                    cbLine('Crashed')
                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('line-plot', {val: ri, crashed: 'Crashed'})
                    start = Date.now()
                    LcPot.find({}, (e, rf) => {
                        var pot = 0
                        rf.forEach((obj) => {
                            pot = pot + obj.pot
                        })

                    LcPot.remove({}, () => {
                    LcPot.create({
                        pot: 0 + pot,
                        timeOfInsertionms: Date.now(),
                        start: start
                    }).then((finalPot) => {
                    //
                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('event', start)
                    cbStart(start)
                    var q = 10
                    cbPause(q)
                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('break', q)
                    socket.of('/api/online').emit('players', {rocket: objects.rocketPlayers, keno: objects.kenoPlayers, stock: objects.stockPlayers})
                    autoPilot.preRocket(q, start, socket)
                   var int =  setInterval(() => {
                        rocketBet.countDocuments({start: start}, (err, count) => {
                            if (count >= 1) {
                                clearInterval(int)
                                socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('remaining', {remaining: 0})

                            var int2 = setInterval(() => {

                                if (q === 0) {

                                    cbPause(q)
                                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('break', q)
                                    clearInterval(int2)
                                    rocketBet.countDocuments({start: start}, (err, count) => {
                                        objects.rocketPlayers = count !== undefined ? count : 0
                                        socket.of('/api/online').emit('players', {rocket: objects.rocketPlayers, keno: objects.kenoPlayers, stock: objects.stockPlayers})
                                    })
                                    r = getRandomIntInclusive(1, 200)
                                    ri = r
                                    caller()
                                }
                                else {
                                    cbPause(q)
                                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('break', q)}
                                q = q - 1
                            }, 1000)

                }
                else {
                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('remaining', {remaining: 10 - count})
                }
            })
        }, 1000)

                    })
                })})}, socket)
                 }
                 else {
                     cbLine(ri-r)
                     socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('line-plot', ri - r)
                     autoPilot.rocket(ri-r, start, socket)
            }
                 r = r - 1
             }, 100)

       })()




}



Here is how the winner is decided:




var topEarners = require ('../../models/Top 3/top-earners.model')

module.exports = function (start, line, LcBet, LcPot, User, callback, socket) {

    LcBet.aggregate([
        {$match: {$and:[{status: 'settled'}, {start: start}]} },
        {$group: {
            _id: "$lastLineStopValue",
            winners: {$push:'$username'}
        }},
        {$sort:{_id:-1}},
        {$limit:1} 
  ]).then((res) => {
        if (res.length > 0 && start) {
        LcPot.findOneAndUpdate({start: start}, {lineCrashValue: line}, {new:true}, (e, r) => {

                var partialPot = r.pot / res[0].winners.length
                res[0].winners.forEach((winner) => {
                    User.findOneAndUpdate({username: winner}, {$inc:{accountValue: partialPot}}, {new:true}, (e5, r5) => {
                        topEarners.create({
                            username: r5.username,
                            avatar: r5.avatar,
                            winnings: partialPot,
                            timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()                           
                        }).then(() => {})
                        socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('table', {avatar: r5.avatar, event: start, username: winner, entry: res[0]._id, result: 'winner'})
                    })
                })
                LcPot.findByIdAndDelete(r._id, () => {
                    callback(start)
                })
        })
        }
        else {
                callback(start)
             }

    })

}



Here s the auto-pilot:



exports.preRocket = function (pause, lcStart, socket) {
    rocketArr.forEach((player) => {
        User.findOne({username: player.username}, (e1, resp) => {
            if(player.noOfGames !== 0 && resp.accountValue >= Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1)) {
                if (player.noOfGames !== -1) {
                 const index = rocketArr.indexOf(player)
                 rocketArr.splice(index, 1, {
                    username: player.username,
                    avatar: player.avatar,
                    jumpValues: player.jumpValues,
                    tickets: player.tickets,
                    noOfGames: player.noOfGames - 1
                 })
                 }

    if (pause !== 0) {
          LcBet.findOne({$and:[{username: player.username}, {start: lcStart}]}, (errrr, r123) => {
        //  User.findById(soc.user._id, (eee1, resss) => {
          if (player.tickets > 0 && resp.accountValue >= Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1) && (r123 === undefined || r123 === null || !r123)) {

                User.findOneAndUpdate({username: player.username}, {$inc:{accountValue: -Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1)}}, {new: true}, (e333, r444) => {
                     
                      LcBet.create({
               
                      type: 'Ticket',
                      game: 'Line Crash',
                      username: player.username,
                      avatar: player.avatar,
                      ticketsPrice: Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1),
                      tickets: player.tickets,
                      availableTickets: player.tickets,
                      status: 'open',
                      start: lcStart,
                      timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()
               
                      }).then((lcBet) => {
                            topTickets.create({
                                  username: lcBet.username,
                                  avatar: lcBet.avatar,
                                  tickets: lcBet.tickets,
                                  timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()                           
                              }).then(() => {})
                            //  soc.emit('buy-ticket', {event: lcStart, tickets: lcBet.availableTickets})
                              socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('table', {avatar: player.avatar, event: lcBet.start, username: lcBet.username, entry: '', result: ''})
                           
                           
                              revenue.findOneAndUpdate({game: 'Rocket Crash'}, {$inc:{amount: 0.03 * lcBet.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (ex, rx) => {
                                  if (rx && rx !== undefined && rx !== null) {
                                        LcPot.findOneAndUpdate({start: lcStart}, {$inc:{pot: 0.97 * lcBet.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (e1, r1) => {
                                              socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('pot', {pot: r1.pot})
                                        })
                                  }
                                  else {
                                        revenue.create({
                                              game: 'Rocket Crash',
                                              amount: 0.03 * lcBet.ticketsPrice                                                             
                                        }).then(() => {
                                              LcPot.findOneAndUpdate({start: lcStart}, {$inc:{pot: 0.97 * lcBet.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (e1, r1) => {
                                                    socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('pot', {pot: r1.pot})
                                              })
                                        })
                                  }
                            })
                           
                           
                      })
                })

          }

          else {

          }
        })
    }
    }
        else {
            autoPilot.findOneAndUpdate({username: player.username}, {
                rocket: false,
                avatar: player.avatar,
                $set:{'rocketSettings.$.jumpValues': [],
                      'rocketSettings.$.tickets': 0,
                      'rocketSettings.$.noOfGames': 0}
           }, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
                const index = rocketArr.indexOf(player)
                rocketArr.splice(index, 1)
           })
         }
         player.jumpValues.forEach((v) => {
             if (jump[v]) {
                jump[v].push({username: player.username, avatar: player.avatar})
             }
             else {
                jump[v] = [{username: player.username, avatar: player.avatar}]
             }
         })
})
})

}

exports.rocket = function (line, lcStart, socket) {

    if (line !== 'Crashed') {
        if (jump[line]) {
            jump[line].forEach((v) => {
                    LcBet.findOneAndUpdate({$and:[{start: lcStart}, {username: v.username}, {availableTickets:{$gte: 1}}]}, {$inc:{availableTickets: -1}, lastLineStopValue: line, $push:{lineStopValues: line}, status: 'settled'}, {new:true}, (e, d, r) => {

                        if (d && d !== undefined && d !== null) {
                            //  soc.emit('enter', {event: lcStart, tickets: d.availableTickets, entry: d.lastLineStopValue})
                              socket.of('/api/line-crash').emit('table', {avatar: v.avatar, event: d.start, username: d.username, entry: d.lastLineStopValue, result: ''})
                        }
                        else{

                        }
                  })
            })
        }
  }

}



Coming up will be Stock Market Mania, the last game on the list.

Stock Market Mania

var ev
var resolver = require('./openTradesResolver')
var arr = require('../../arrays')
var winner = require('./winner')
var objects = require ('../../objects')
var autoPilot= require ('../../auto-pilot')
var pause

module.exports = function (socket, breakCB, event, stockPotSchema, User, stockSchema, cb) {


    function getRandomIntInclusive(min, max) {
        min = Math.ceil(min);
        max = Math.floor(max);
        return Math.floor(Math.random() * (max - min + 1)) + min; //The maximum is inclusive and the minimum is inclusive
      }

    var time = 0
    function callback() {
    var interval1 = setInterval(() => {



        resolver(stockValue, time, arr.openTrades, () => {   

        if (time === 0) {
            objects.stockPlayers = 0
            clearInterval(interval1)
            winner(socket, ev, User, stockSchema, () => {
                ev = Date.now()
                event(ev)
                breakCB(15)
                pause = 15
                stockPotSchema.find({}, (err, rrr) => {
                    var pot = 0
                    rrr.forEach((obj) => {
                        pot = pot + obj.pot
                    })
                    stockPotSchema.remove({}, () => {
                        stockPotSchema.create({
                            pot: pot,
                            event: ev
                        }).then((rs) => {

                    autoPilot.preStock(pause, ev, socket) 
               var int = setInterval(() => {
                stockSchema.countDocuments({event: ev}, (err, count) => {

                    if(count >= 1) {

                        socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('remaining', {remaining: 0})
                        clearInterval(int)
                                pause = 14

                        var interval2 = setInterval(() => {

                             breakCB(pause)

                             if (pause === 5) {

                                 arr.openTrades.length = 0

                             }

                             if (pause === 0) {

                                 clearInterval(interval2)
                                 stockSchema.countDocuments({event: ev}, (err, count) => {
                                     objects.stockPlayers = count !== undefined ? count : 0
                                    socket.of('/api/online').emit('players', {rocket: objects.rocketPlayers, keno: objects.kenoPlayers, stock: objects.stockPlayers})
                                 })
                                 time = 45
                                 setTimeout(callback)
                                 socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('break', {break: pause})
                             }
                             else {
                                socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('break', {break: pause})
                             }
                             pause--
     
                         }, 1000)
                               
                           
                       
            }
            else {
                socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('remaining', {remaining: 10 - count})
            }
          })
         }, 1000)
                                         })
                            })     
                        })
        })

        }

    })

                time--
                if (time >= 0){
                var stockValue = getRandomIntInclusive(0, 10000)
                cb(time, stockValue)
                autoPilot.stockMarketManiaDecision(ev, stockValue, socket)
                }

        socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('stock-plot', {stockValue: stockValue, time: time})

      }, 1000)
    }
callback()


}






The Open Trades Resolver:




module.exports = function (stockValue, time, arr, cb) {
if (arr.length > 0) {
if (time > 0) {
    arr.forEach((v) => {
        if (v.direction === 'buy') {
            const cap = ((stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment - v.investment) + v.capital
           
                if (cap <= 0) {

                    v.betSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(v.betSchemaId, {status: 'settled', exit: stockValue, pl: (stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment - v.investment}, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
                        if (r && r !== null && r !== undefined) {
                        v.stockSchema.updateOne({_id: v.stockSchemaId, 'trades._id': r._id}, {capital: cap, $set:{'trades.$.status': 'settled', 'trades.$.exit': r.exit}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                            arr.splice(arr.indexOf(v), 1)
                            var pl = (r.exit/r.entry) * r.investment - r.investment
                            if (v.soc) {
                            v.soc.emit('enter', {capital: cap, direction: v.direction, status: r.status, entry: r.entry, exit: r.exit, pl: pl})
                            }
                            v.socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: v.avatar, username: v.username, capital: cap})
                           
                        })
                        }
                    })

                }
                else {
                    if (v.soc) {
                   v.soc.emit('enter', {capital: cap, direction: v.direction, status: 'open'})
                    }
                   
                }
        }
        if (v.direction === 'sell') {
            const cap = (v.investment - (stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment) + v.capital
                if (cap <= 0) {

                    v.betSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(v.betSchemaId, {status: 'settled', exit: stockValue, pl: v.investment - (stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment}, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
                        if (r && r !== null && r !== undefined) {
                        v.stockSchema.updateOne({_id: v.stockSchemaId, 'trades._id': r._id}, {capital: cap, $set:{'trades.$.status': 'settled', 'trades.$.exit': r.exit}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                            arr.splice(arr.indexOf(v), 1)
                            var pl = r.investment - (r.exit/r.entry) * r.investment
                            if (v.soc) {
                            v.soc.emit('enter', {capital: cap, direction: v.direction, status: r.status, entry: r.entry, exit: r.exit, pl: pl})
                            }
                            v.socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: v.avatar, username: v.username, capital: cap})
                           
                        })
                        }

                    })

                }   
                else {
                    if (v.soc) {
                    v.soc.emit('enter', {capital: cap, direction: v.direction, status: 'open'})
                    }
                   
                }
        }
    })
  }

if (time === 0) {

    arr.forEach((v) => {
        if (v.direction === 'buy') {
            const cap = ((stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment - v.investment) + v.capital

                    v.betSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(v.betSchemaId, {status: 'settled', exit: stockValue, pl: (stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment - v.investment}, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
                        if (r && r !== null && r !== undefined) {
                        v.stockSchema.updateOne({_id: v.stockSchemaId, 'trades._id': r._id}, {capital: cap, $set:{'trades.$.status': 'settled', 'trades.$.exit': r.exit}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                            var pl = (r.exit/r.entry) * r.investment - r.investment
                            if (v.soc) {
                            v.soc.emit('enter', {capital: cap, direction: v.direction, status: r.status, entry: r.entry, exit: r.exit, pl: pl})
                            }
                            v.socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: v.avatar, username: v.username, capital: cap})
                               
                        })
                        }

                    })

        }
        if (v.direction === 'sell') {
            const cap = (v.investment - (stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment) + v.capital

                    v.betSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(v.betSchemaId, {status: 'settled', exit: stockValue, pl: v.investment - (stockValue / v.entry) * v.investment}, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
                        if (r && r !== null && r !== undefined) {
                        v.stockSchema.updateOne({_id: v.stockSchemaId, 'trades._id': r._id}, {capital: cap, $set:{'trades.$.status': 'settled', 'trades.$.exit': r.exit}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                            var pl = r.investment - (r.exit/r.entry) * r.investment
                            if (v.soc) {
                            v.soc.emit('enter', {capital: cap, direction: v.direction, status: r.status, entry: r.entry, exit: r.exit, pl: pl})
                            }
                            v.socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: v.avatar, username: v.username, capital: cap})
                               
                        })
                        }

                    })

        }
    })
    arr.length = 0

}
cb()
}
else {
    cb()
}
}



Deciding the winner:


var stockPotSchema = require ('../../models/Stock Market Mania/stock-pot.model')
var stockBetSchema = require ('../../models/Stock Market Mania/bet.model')
var topEarners = require ('../../models/Top 3/top-earners.model')

module.exports = function (socket, event, User, stockSchema, callback) {

    stockSchema.aggregate([
        {$match: {event: event} },
        {$group: {
            _id: "$capital",
            winners: {$push:'$username'}
        }},
        {$sort:{_id:-1}},
        {$limit:1} 
  ]).then((res) => {

        if (res.length > 0 && event) {
            stockPotSchema.findOne({event: event}, (e, r) => {
                var partialPot = r.pot / res[0].winners.length
                res[0].winners.forEach((winner) => {
                    User.findOneAndUpdate({username: winner}, {$inc:{accountValue: partialPot}}, {new:true}, (e1, r1) => {
                        topEarners.create({
                            username: r1.username,
                            avatar: r1.avatar,
                            winnings: partialPot,
                            timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()                           
                        }).then(() => {})
                        socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: r1.avatar, event: event, username: winner, capital: res[0]._id, result: 'winner'})
                    })
                })

               
                stockPotSchema.findByIdAndRemove(r._id, (e123, r123) => {
 
                stockBetSchema.remove({}, () => {
                    stockSchema.updateMany({}, {$set:{trades:[]}}, () => {
                        callback()
                    })
                   
                })

                })
                 
        })
        }
       
        else {

        stockBetSchema.remove({}, () => {
            stockSchema.updateMany({}, {$set:{trades:[]}}, () => {
                callback()
            })
        })

             }

    })

}




Here s the auto-pilot:


exports.preStock = function (stockPause, stockEvent, socket) {
    stockArr.forEach((player) => {
        User.findOne({username: player.username}, (e1, resp) => {
            if(player.noOfGames !== 0 && resp.accountValue >= Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1)) {
                if (player.noOfGames !== -1) {
                 const index = stockArr.indexOf(player)
                 stockArr.splice(index, 1, {
                    username: player.username,
                    avatar: player.avatar,
                    leverage: player.leverage,
                    tickets: player.tickets,
                    noOfGames: player.noOfGames - 1
                 })
                 }
                 
        if (resp.accountValue >= Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1)) {
             
              stockSchema.findOne({username: player.username, event: stockEvent}, (err, res) => {
                    if (stockPause > 0 && (!res || res === null || res === undefined)) {
                          stockSchema.create({
                                username: player.username,
                                avatar: player.avatar,
                                ticketsPrice: Math.pow(2, player.tickets - 1),
                                tickets: player.tickets,
                                leverage: player.tickets,
                                timeOfInsertion: new Date(Date.now()),
                                timeOfInsertionms: Date.now(),
                                event: stockEvent
                          }).then((val) => {
                                topTickets.create({
                                      username: val.username,
                                      avatar: val.avatar,
                                      tickets: val.tickets,
                                      timeOfInsertionms: Date.now()                           
                                  }).then(() => {})
                                    //  soc.emit('buy-ticket', {tickets: val.tickets, event: val.event})
                                      socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: val.avatar, username: val.username, event: val.event, capital: val.capital})
                                      User.findOneAndUpdate({username: val.username}, {$inc: {accountValue: -val.ticketsPrice}}, (e, r555) => {
                                            revenue.findOneAndUpdate({game: 'Stock Market Mania'}, {$inc:{amount: 0.03 * val.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (ex, rx) => {
                                                  if (rx && rx !== undefined && rx !== null) {
                                                        stockPotSchema.findOneAndUpdate({event: val.event}, {$inc:{pot: 0.97 * val.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                                                              socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('pot', {pot: r2.pot})
                                                        })
                                                  }
                                                  else {
                                                        revenue.create({
                                                              game: 'Stock Market Mania',
                                                              amount: 0.03 * val.ticketsPrice                                                             
                                                        }).then(() => {
                                                              stockPotSchema.findOneAndUpdate({event: val.event}, {$inc:{pot: 0.97 * val.ticketsPrice}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {
                                                                socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('pot', {pot: r2.pot})
                                                              })
                                                        })
                                                  }
                                            })

                                      })

                          })
                    }
                    else{

                    }
              })

        }

            }
            else {
                autoPilot.findOneAndUpdate({username: player.username}, {
                    stock: false,
                    avatar: player.avatar,
                    $set:{'stockSettings.$.leverage': 0,
                          'stockSettings.$.tickets': 0,
                          'stockSettings.$.noOfGames': 0}
               }, {new: true}, (e, r) => {
                    const index = stockArr.indexOf(player)
                    stockArr.splice(index, 1)
               })
             }
        })
    })
}

function stockMarketManiaTrade (user, direction, stockEvent, stockValue, socket) {

    stockSchema.findOne({username: user.username, event: stockEvent}, (e, r) => {
        if (!r || r === null || r === undefined) {}
        else {

             const obj1 = r.trades.find((v) => {return v.direction === direction && v.status === 'open'})
             const obj2 = r.trades.find((v) => {return v.direction !== direction && v.status === 'open' })

              if (obj1 === undefined && obj2 === undefined) {

                    if (r.leverage * r.capital >= stockValue) {

                    const investment = Math.floor((r.leverage * r.capital)/stockValue) * stockValue
                    stockBetSchema.create({
                          direction: direction,
                          entry: stockValue,
                          investment: investment,
                          status: 'open'
                    }).then((r1) => {
                          stockSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(r._id, {$push:{trades: r1}}, {new: true}, (e2, r2) => {

                                array.openTrades.push({avatar: user.avatar , socket: socket, username: user.username, capital: r.capital, entry: r1.entry, direction: r1.direction, betSchema: stockBetSchema, betSchemaId: r1._id, investment: r1.investment, stockSchema: stockSchema, stockSchemaId: r._id})
                          })
                    })

                 }

              }

              else if (obj1 !== undefined && obj2 === undefined) {

              }
              else if (obj1 === undefined && obj2 !== undefined) {

                   var trade =  array.openTrades.find((v) => {return v.betSchemaId === obj2._id})
                   var index = array.openTrades.indexOf(trade)
                   array.openTrades.splice(index, 1)

                    stockBetSchema.findByIdAndUpdate(obj2._id, {status: 'settled', exit: stockValue}, {new: true}, (e3, r3) => {
                          if (r3 && r3 !== null && r3 !== undefined) {
                          var pl
                          var cap
                          if (r3.direction === 'buy') {
                                cap = ((stockValue / r3.entry) * r3.investment - r3.investment) + r.capital
                                pl = (r3.exit/r3.entry) * r3.investment - r3.investment
                          }
                          if (r3.direction === 'sell') {
                                cap = (r3.investment - (stockValue / r3.entry) * r3.investment) + r.capital
                                pl = r3.investment - (r3.exit/r3.entry) * r3.investment
                          }

                          stockSchema.updateOne({_id:r._id, 'trades._id': r3._id}, {capital: cap, $set:{'trades.$.status': 'settled', 'trades.$.exit': r3.exit}}, (a, b) => {
                                                                   
                                socket.of('/api/stock-market-mania').emit('table', {avatar: user.avatar, username: user.username, capital: cap})                                     
                          })
                               
                    }
                    })
              }
              else if (obj1 !== undefined && obj2 !== undefined) {

              }
        }
  })

}

exports.stockMarketManiaDecision = function (ev, stockValue, socket) {
    stockArr.forEach((v) => {
        var decision = getRandomIntInclusive(0, 1)
        if (decision === 1) {
            stockMarketManiaTrade(v, 'buy', ev, stockValue, socket)
        }
        else if (decision === 0) {
            stockMarketManiaTrade(v, 'sell', ev, stockValue, socket)
        }
    })
}

I m NOT a rude person, but boy you really deserve to be put in your place. Do you even know what a "provably fair" system even is?

It s clear you DON'T, but i .m going to tell you:
"Provably fair is a way that enables the player to check if a generated number is truly random and hasn’t been manipulated in any way."

Since this is a peer-to-peer betting website, if i implement this, how would this prove i am not betting against my clients?

Let's try to do it step by step:

1.I give you SHA256("random_string") = 621e8b0818308b0bc408231cab46ba9ec65425b25ec9e367b6081406c87a7532

2.I tell you that the last character of the "random_string" is either 0 or 1

3.You make a guess and place a bet. I will double your Bitcoin if you are right.

4.I will reveal "random_string"

5.You verify that the SHA256 matches the value I gave you in the first step.

This proves that the "random_string" has been generated before you place the bet, and has never been modified, BUT this does NOT prove that the house (in peer-to-peer games) did not use the result to bet against you. I could know the result before you do and use it to my advantage by telling "friends" or creating player accounts/bots to bet on those numbers and win. How does this "provably fair" system do any good to you? Man, you are so stupid dude. Wake the fuck up man. I CAN implement this, but this will NOT prove that i am not using the system to my advantage to bet against my users.

Hey guys,

    A new update is coming up:

-minor bug fixes
-each additional ticket purchased has a 1% discount from the previous ticket purchased, thus changing the dynamics and allowing increased advantage for multi-ticket buyers. For the actual statistical calculation please use the formula provided earlier.
-games will only start if at least 10 players sign up for the upcoming game such that a minimum pot is guaranteed

I am waiting for suggestions and since i m active i want to give you guys the best experience possible.

You're confusing variance and house edge.

A game where the player has a 99% chance of losing their bet does mean the house edge is 99%, you would need to know how much the player won 1% of the time.

Let's say it's a $1 bet and the player has a 99% chance of losing their entire bet.

If 1% of the time they won $100, then there would be no edge for either side.
If 1% of the time they won $110, the player would have a 10% edge over the casino
If 1% of the time they won $97, then the house edge would be 3%

In your example of a game where the Casino has a 99.999% house edge they player would win less than a penny 1% of the time and $0 99% of the time.



 

First answer to this cause you clearly have NO idea what you are talking about:

I m NOT a rude person, but boy you really deserve to be put in your place. Do you even know what a "provably fair" system even is?

It s clear you DON'T, but i .m going to tell you:
"Provably fair is a way that enables the player to check if a generated number is truly random and hasn’t been manipulated in any way."

Since this is a peer-to-peer betting website, if i implement this, how would this prove i am not betting against my clients?

Let's try to do it step by step:

1.I give you SHA256("random_string") = 621e8b0818308b0bc408231cab46ba9ec65425b25ec9e367b6081406c87a7532

2.I tell you that the last character of the "random_string" is either 0 or 1

3.You make a guess and place a bet. I will double your Bitcoin if you are right.

4.I will reveal "random_string"

5.You verify that the SHA256 matches the value I gave you in the first step.

This proves that the "random_string" has been generated before you place the bet, and has never been modified, BUT this does NOT prove that the house (in peer-to-peer games) did not use the result to bet against you. I could know the result before you do and use it to my advantage by telling "friends" or creating player accounts/bots to bet on those numbers and win. How does this "provably fair" system do any good to you? Man, you are so stupid dude. Wake the fuck up man. I CAN implement this, but this will NOT prove that i am not using the system to my advantage to bet against my users.

You're confusing variance and house edge.

A game where the player has a 99% chance of losing their bet does mean the house edge is 99%, you would need to know how much the player won 1% of the time.

Let's say it's a $1 bet and the player has a 99% chance of losing their entire bet.

If 1% of the time they won $100, then there would be no edge for either side.
If 1% of the time they won $110, the player would have a 10% edge over the casino
If 1% of the time they won $97, then the house edge would be 3%

In your example of a game where the Casino has a 99.999% house edge they player would win less than a penny 1% of the time and $0 99% of the time.



Provably fair takes a player seed + server seed + nonce to generate the result.  In the above example, you're just picking a random number, there is no player seed. 
WIth multiple player, you could use a server seed + player0 seed + player1 seed + player2 seed etc.

You don't have to take my word for it, and I'm not really interested in debating the basics with you,  there are a lot of great resources out there on the topic and experts that are way smarter than me in this community.

Check out https://cryptogambling.org/  or go visit their thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2178857.0, ask them what they think about relying on the built in javascript instead of a provably fair algorithm.


If you accept anonymous players, it's impossible to prove you aren't one of them.  What needs to be proven to be considered a trusted crypto gambling site is that you don't have any advanced knowledge or the ability to manipulate the result of a bet.

The way i WAS going to implement is the same way Alex Cambose proposes it:

https://medium.com/@alexcambose/provably-fair-system-in-javascript-6457e028d2aa


"Each result is generated using the following parameters:
client-seed — a randomly generated selection of text that you can (and should) modify. This is generated at client/browser level.
server-seed — a randomly generated selection of text (usually a 64-character hex string). This is generated server-side. You will get a hashed version of this before you start gambling, in this way you can make sure that the outcome has been pre-determined and not changed after the result was generated.
nonce — a sequential bet number"

The example above is, in principle, the same as this one here. You are not making a point here, the point being the fact that implementing this is absolutely REDUNDANT since what this implementation does is to ONLY certify the players that i will not modify the outcome of an event after his bet has been placed. What this implementation FAILS to certify is the fact that i can bet against my users.

Regarding your statement:

"If you accept anonymous players, it's impossible to prove you aren't one of them."

NOW you start talking sense.

Regarding this:
"What needs to be proven to be considered a trusted crypto gambling site is that you don't have any advanced knowledge or the ability to manipulate the result of a bet."
It is REDUNDANT implementing this. Why? Because i can always create more accounts and bet against my players and i will ALWAYS have the edge and ALWAYS win. This does not guarantee that i cannot create new bot accounts that bet against my players, bots betting on the result of the bet, having it already from the backend server, therefore winning all the time.

Your approach applies only to casinos where the house rules. Here, being a peer-to-peer casino, you can t prove that i know or i don t know the result of the game. There is are 2 games that, given the implementation, i can t do anything about. It s the Keno Frenzy and Stock Market Mania games. There are 2 states in these games (and every other game i built), break time and play time. During the break time you choose the tickets but the generation of random numbers has not taken place yet. When the random number generator initiates, no further bets can be placed (this applies for keno frenzy - this game does not accept bets during the random number generation period, therefore making me have no further knowledge of the underlying result). Stock market mania generates the numbers on the go, meaning that it does not generate a sequence for the underlying, it generates a new random number EVERY second, therefore making me, again, as a developer, no more knowledgeable than any other player. The only game where i CAN know the result is Rocket Crash BECAUSE i need an increasing sequence of numbers every 10-th of a second, therefore a randomly generated number every specified period would not do.

Don t trust what i m saying, look at the implementation i provided. Given the implementation, you can clearly see i did not build the games with bad intent, on the contrary, i tried my best to make games as random for the developer as they are for the players.

Relate to this:


There are a few points i want to make:

1. What IS important is knowing both the risk/reward ratio and winners/losers ratio. As i point out in my formula this calculates exactly what your profit will be, over time, on average, per match.
Now, going to the casino example we were talking about, i haven t seen lottery games giving away prizes worth their ticket sales value, except when there s no winner for a long period of time and past pots are added to upcoming ones. That s why i m saying that the HOUSE never loses, it wins over time (house edge).

2. I have changed ticket prices with the new update (already updated) so that each ticket is 1% less than the previous. As i showed a previous example of this, the more tickets you buy up to a certain point (see above) , you CAN and SHOULD make money over time, given the fact that your buying power is more than the others' BUT according to the above formula i put forth.

So, all in all, you bashed my work for absolutely no reason, you were wrong about your statements, especially that i lack transparency. You thought you found your scammer, but you didn t. But what did bother me actually is that you came in banging on the door WITHOUT your homework done. I don t demand any apologies from you cause you are definitely NOT the kind of person to admit when you re wrong, even though you were wrong from start to finish.

Let the facts talk for themselves and people be the judge of all this!

Researching & Developing for YOU
The platform is in continuous development to make way for the new era of online betting. We made very important CHANGES that we want to inform you about.

1. Every additional ticket bought costs 1% less than the previous one.
Observation: The implications are HUGE, here's how it works:

If you buy 20 tickets it costs you roughly 17 Betcoins and if you play against 10 other players that buy 1 ticket each it costs them 10 Betcoins in total. Your risk/reward ratio is 17/10 and your winners/losers ratio is 2:1. If you account for Betroom's 3% (6% out of your profits) it leads to a winning system for the player who buys more tickets (33 betcoins profit for the 2:1 player to be exact every 33 matches played).

2. Games start IF AND ONLY IF there are at least 10 players (player bots) joining. This means that a minimum pot is guaranteed

If you feel we can do something to make this a better experience for you, don t hesitate, drop us an email at support@betroom.eu and we'll take notice of your feedback.

New article guys, please check it out!

https://news.livecoinwatch.com/a-player-centric-model-by-betroom/

Sorry, but can you please explain exactly how this P2P works on your site? How is this possible in games like Rocket Run?

You say that there is no rake only 3% fee but isn't it the same in the end?

Additionally, you have explained above that in Rocket Run: "the winner is the player that jumps last off the rocket before it crashes", so what happens with the money in the pot if nobody jumps off?

EDIT
I see many answers to my questions provided above, funny because I haven't seen them before posting.


Thanks for this explanation.

Peer-to-peer means Betroom NEVER bets against its users, the users bet against themselves. Betroom only takes a 3% fee for selling tickets. Tickets are needed to join the games. The new update, which came about today, offers the players who buy more tickets an edge (please check the specifics above in this thread). The games are designed to accommodate an unlimited amount of players, therefore a potentially unlimited pot. The games are fast-paced, a game starts every 20 seconds if the minimum number of players is met (10 at least). If nobody jumps or nobody manages to jump, the pot will roll over to the next game. Pots ALWAYS roll over to the next game, Betroom NEVER takes a dime from the pots. The pots belong ONLY to the players. Betroom is IMPARTIAL, Betroom does not favour anyone, Betroom does NOT care who wins the pot. You can call the 3% a house edge if you will, but this "edge" is not an edge anymore for the player who buys the highest amount of tickets. The formula was given above to show what edge the highest bidder has in each game. The more tickets you buy, the higher the edge (up to a certain point - again please check this thread above for additional information).

Paying someone to post an article about your site that is written as if it's an objective third party review is deceptive and will be a turn off to many members of the crypto-gambling community.  I suggest spending your promotional budget more transparently. 


No, it's not.  You're just using the built in math.random() function to pick a random number.  It would be incredibly easy to know the what the number is before the game, and then use a player account to win or tie every single game.

Of course, if you decided to cheat, it would be silly to win every game because then nobody else would ever win.  But if you cheated one out of every 50 games, using different player accounts, it would be impossible to prove.

In the crypto gambling world there have been tons of cheating scandals so asking people to just 'trust you' won't work and your argument of 'why would I cheat? I'm taking a 3% fee' is invalid and will only make people distrust you.

Of course the house always wins.  They profit x% of every dollar wagered. They either have an edge in games where the player plays against the house(black jack, craps, roulette for example) and in other or they take a fee in games where players play against each other (In poker cash games they take a percentage of each pot, and in tournaments (can be any game, but usually poker) they take a fee from every buyin and put the rest in the prize pool.

Your site offers the latter.

There's nothing revolutionary about this.  Your players are playing for a prize worth 97% of what they paid, so the expected value of your players is 97%.  It's possible some players will successfully exploit other players and have an EV higher than 97%, but that just means the other players expected value wiil be less than 97%.

There's nothing unethical about this business model.  But it is unethical to advertise it as something it isn't, which is what you are doing.

As i see it, you re only in for the scandal, nothing solid. You only try to accuse me of wrong doing but you have no proof of it. You also argue that my model is the same as the rest, even though, updated now to BETTER support higher bidders in the long run, i showed you with facts and numbers that it s not so:

"If you buy 20 tickets it costs you roughly 17 Betcoins and if you play against 10 other players that buy 1 ticket each it costs them 10 Betcoins in total. Your risk/reward ratio is 17/10 and your winners/losers ratio is 2:1. If you account for Betroom's 3% (6% out of your profits) it leads to a winning system for the player who buys more tickets (33 betcoins profit for the 2:1 player to be exact every 33 matches played)."

Now you ADMIT that the "provably fair" system is of no use for my model, though you were blowing whistles that it s the only way to prove i have an honest website. You contradict yourself after every statement, your word is not to be taken for granted. Even though there were some good things coming out of my conversation with you (changing the ticket pricing model to better accommodate higher bidders), over 90% of what you re saying is total bs. You re blaming i don t have a system to prove i m not betting against my users. Instead of bragging like a lady sipping a coffee with her friends, come up with a solution and help me show people i m not betting against them. Apart from all the bs you re saying, i prove i m open to show people that i m not what you FALSELY claimed i am. If you wanna do any good, then do it. If you re here to get attention, i m not buying it anymore.

I did not say that.  Let me be more clear.  If you don't implement a provably fair system that can be verified, your product is interesting and looks good, but it will not be competitive in the crypto based gambling market if you do not have a provably fair system in place that prevents the possibility of you, or any other player from knowing the result of a game before hand.  It doesn't matter whether or not you actually cheat, the fact that you could will hurt you.

If you continue to insist that provably fair betting is worthless, your reputation will suffer.

If you continue to personally attack and retaliate against  people who criticize you, your reputation will suffer.  (Expect lots of criticism, some valid and some not valid, it's inevitable that you will be accused of outright cheating on a regular basis)

You're competing against sites that have been established for years and don't do any of these things.   For every one successful site there have been dozens who have come and gone for doing the things I've pointed out to you.

Don't take my criticism personally.  

Again as i told you, the "provably fair" system does not prevent me from cheating. Give me personalised solution that will prevent me from knowing the result in advance and also prevent me to create accounts to bet against my clients. If you have a viable solution for that, i WILL program it. I m waiting for your answer.

I am implementing the "provably fair" system right now, it s gonna be ready this week. Though it s not gonna do much good for some of the games, but it will for others. As i said, 100% fairness and transparency is the goal. I built this platform exactly on these grounds, since it s a peer-to-peer platform.

In regards to ticket prices and house edge, check out my calculation, you haven t said anything about it. As i said before, more tickets, more chances to win.

If you implement it properly, it should prevent anyone from being able to manipulate or know the outcome of a bet before all the players.

Allow each player to choose their own seed and then use those seeds to determine the result of each game.  I don't think you would need a server seed since you will always have 2 or more player seeds, I could be wrong about that.
After the game is complete, reveal all seeds used so that players can verify the result independently.

I've pointed you towards a bunch of resources that will help you figure out how to do it.  There are plenty of developers around here that are experts in provably fair solutions that I'm sure would be happy to give you feed back.  Of course this is assuming you're able to accept constructive criticism without lashing out and insulting the person trying to help you.


If you're taking 3% of every bet, your average players EV will be 97%.  If some players find a way increase their EV, other players EV will drop below 97%, just like any other p.

I'm not interested in debating this any more.

i know how to implement it but there s a big problem, as i told you before, with Rocket Crash. In order to keep the game interactive, as it is right now, in the sense that people jump off the rocket in real time, i need to "know" the number before the player does. Why? Because i divide that number into smaller parts such that i can send each unit to the player and not send him the whole number cause he would know when to jump. So, for example, say the provably fair algo generates the number 62. I am sending each tenth of a second 1 unit to the player so that after 62 tenths (6.2 seconds) the player gets to 62, where the rocket crashes. I cannot send the whole number cause a hacker will crack the system, he will know when the rocket will crash and use it to his advantage. That s why i send the number bit by bit. Players can jump off the rocket until the rocket gets to the crashing point (62 in this case). The last person to jump off the rocket wins. The problem with the provably fair system comes now with the way the game is structured. I need to know the number in advance in order to divide it and send it, bit by bit, unit by unit, to the user. If i don t know the number in advance, i can t construct the game dynamically as it is right now. It would be a static game where the user places the bet before the random number generation.  I want the game to be dynamic, to allow players to jump off the rocket in real time, not to choose numbers beforehand and then wait. Do you have any solution for this?

I've pointed you towards a bunch of resources that will help you figure out how to do it.  There are plenty of developers around here that are experts in provably fair solutions that I'm sure would be happy to give you feed back.  Of course this is assuming you're able to accept constructive criticism without lashing out and insulting the person trying to help you.

I m not lashing anyone, it s just the structure of the game that does not allow for a fully "fair" solution. There s also the part where i "guarantee" my users that i do not create account to bet against them. I don t think anyone can help me with this. If someone can, i m going to gladly accept advice.

Couple examples:

Which are those resources you pointed out to me? There s not a single reference.

Regarding this:


Quote from: betroom.eu on Today at 01:01:11 AM
I m not lashing anyone

Couple examples:

Quote from: betroom.eu on January 09, 2020, 08:34:35 AM
Are you on drugs or something? You are clearly out of your fucking mind to even state stupid shit like this. If you want to at least "look" intelligent, better shut up.

Quote
This guy is as stupid as they come.


Quote from: betroom.eu on January 09, 2020, 08:34:35 AM
Dismantling your shit:

Quote from: betroom.eu on January 09, 2020, 08:34:35 AM
I m not sure if you are hired by a casino to do this yourself but you sure sound like it.



I feel you want to hurt rather than help. When i asked direct questions you made a detour, you didn t answer them. Definitely you had no solution to the Rocket Crash problem that i need the random number in advance to sustain the kind of game play available right now, you mumbled something unrelated when i told you that buying more tickets means a better winning chance (indeed means less winning chances for the rest, but for somebody to win, somebody else has to lose). Accept true statements as they come, admit they are true and come up with solutions, don t just mumble around. I m waiting for solutions and direct references which you failed to give.

Seriously?


Do some googling.  Research your competition, figure out why some have been around for years and maintain a great reputations with a solid player base and others are ghost towns (or already folded) and have a bad reputation. 

Find the people that developed the successful sites and ask them for advice, many of them would be very willing to help you out - but only if you stop being such an asshole.

I started liking you that much, i might even start a signature campaign with you alone.

This was what I thought every time I see a PVP game, it attracts me until I see what the commission is. I think at least you have to change the marketing. It is fine to say no house,,, but not fine to say no house edge when you do take a commission. 3% commission is a lot compared to 1% house edge, in my opinion.

You have to add a prize pool just to make it neutral EV :)

Sorry for the downtime, had some issues with the servers, now we re back live. New posts features and posts coming up today, stay tuned!

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Hey, great decision.

I won't have time to verify it's actually provably fair for a few days, but I'm impressed you've taken steps to make the attempt nonetheless.

As I said before, be prepared to be scrutinized.

I got my loyal sidekick in you, it cannot get better. Check it out of course, i also posted the implementation, here it is: https://github.com/alexcambose/provably-fair-example
The link takes you to github where the code resides. I m not the author of the code, Alex Cambose is, but i used it for myself too.
To make things even smoother for you, i will show you how it works - in pictures (chart below).

https://i.imgur.com/CM2ile5.png

I'm always interested in provably fair systems, but I don't see how this is remotely is. The first problem is there's a real lack of information/example (as in a concrete example specific to the game), which makes verification more or less impossible even if it was provably fair. But besides that, I don't even see how the method you are using even attempts to solve the problem.

So as I understand it, at a high-level you're trying to do something like:

* Server generates a server-seed
* Server gives clients a hash of the server-seed (to prove it doesn't change)
* Each clients provide the server a client-seed after they've seen the server-seed hash

And then the game result is computed as a function of (ServerSeed, ClientSeeds).

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If I'm understanding right, that doesn't solve anything at all -- because if any client was controlled by the server, it could pick a client-seed that will make it win.

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The only way you're (sanely) going to get a game like this to be provably fair, is have each client have a secret -- send a hash of the secret to the server (which broadcasts to all other clients). Then when the client has seen the hash of all other clients seeds, reveals it's own seed. Then the game result is computed based on all the client seeds.


P.S. I'll PM you a security problem i (think i) found

P.P.S. How come your site says there's 470 people online? Surely that can't be real?

Would it be possible to do this without a server seed? (assuming we have multiple client seeds)

We are running marketing large campaigns on many websites and get traffic all the time. "Online" means visitors, not users that are signed in.


Solved that just now, thank you so much!


This won t solve the problem neither. As i explained to my arch-enemy TwitchySeal, with this game in particular, since it s a reactive game, the server must know the result in advance, so this won t work either. Let me explain how the game is made so that you know the actual problem and then you might help me find a solution to this - i m referring to the Rocket Crash game.

1. Clients buy tickets to join the game.
2. Once there are at least 10 players that bought tickets for that event, the countdown starts.
3. In the mean time clients can choose the client seed and send it to the server.
4. Server computes server seed + client seed + nonce into one piece of string and the function generates the random number when the timer strikes zero.
5. This number is sent SEQUENTIALLY (unit by unit every tenth of a second) to clients because if the final value is sent, then with a small hack clients will know what the actual crash value will be.
6. Game starts and clients jump off the rocket IN REAL TIME.

The problem comes at "5" because the server MUST know the crash value BEFORE game start in order to divide it and send it unit by unit to the players. If players would not jump in real time, then yes, what you are saying is correct and could be implemented so that a result would not be known by any party before the actual event took place. In this particular case, the server does not
need to control the client seed since it "knows" the actual crash value in advance.
So, with this particular game, if you have a solution to it, please let me know and if it s real, i ll implement it.

Yeah, there's no need for a server-seed if it's just a peer-vs-peer gambling game.


Hmm. I could explain to you a solution to make it work -- but before I do that -- do you see the problem with the current way you're doing it? Do you see why it's not actually provably fair -- and offers players no additional guarantees?

Since the server knows the result before, then it s clear that neither mine nor the solution presented by you above are NOT actual solutions. So yes, please present me with a viable solution that will allow the server to send a random number sequentially to the players that jump in real time while the server does not know the end value in advance. Thank you.

It's your job to find a solution. 

Oh, i see now. So you brought in your companion. So let me get it, you guys don t really present solutions, do you? I mean, you could go off bragging all day why there hasn t been a cancer cure yet or why the earth spins instead of staying still, but when it comes to solving real world problems, you just disappear into the night. As far as this goes, i can implement your buddy s solution up there but again, it won t solve the problem since the server needs to know the crash value in advance and since the game is played after the value of the server is being generated. If you wanna be of any help, give me a solution. If not, let it be.

You have a toxic attitude. Frankly, it's your site and you're the one advertising "provably fair" -- so clearly the onus is on you to do the work and find and implement a solution to be provably fair (or stop advertising it as such).


I was planning on explaining a semi-workable way to do your real-time game in an actual provably fair way, but before I did so, I wanted to make sure you understand the flaws in your system -- as it's a waste of my time in trying to show someone to fix something that they don't understand is broken. But I have a feeling I could be spending time on more productive things  ;D

No i don t. You guys come in here banging on the door and then leave out the window. What i mean by this is that everyone talks about problems but i have seen no real solutions. If you wanna be of any help except bashing left and right, get in and help, otherwise don t waste my time and the people reading this thread.

So a little backstory, I ran a lottery of sorts a while ago, it was basically PVP or peer 2 peer. 10 people would participate in a round and the prize of the pool was distributed to the top 3 players who rolled the highest number between 1-100... We stumbled upon this very issue. The server generating the seed will always have an edge over the other clients. The way we solved this issue was by selecting a server seed which was based on future bitcoin block's hash, something basically we had no control over. So when the client bought a ticket their client seed was stored in the public ledger on the website and once the 10 tickets were bought, a round hash was generated and mailed to all the participants, basically ensuring that none of the client seeds are changed afterwards. After that, the game waited for a new bitcoin block to be generated and its hash was used as a server seed to generate the rolled numbers. That's how we made it provable fair by simply taking away the edge from everyone.

Rolled number = Future Bitcoin Block's hash(acts as server seed) + Client seed + Random Nonce of each round.

Unfortunately, the game didn't get much traction and i had to shut it down...

This is some GREAT insight. Can we chat a bit about it? Do you have a skype id or something? I want to learn more if you are willing to share. Thank you so much.

Happy to help... Feel free to get in touch with me on PM. I don't use skype anymore.

That's pretty much how I did it for pevpot too, but with a little twist to make it pretty robust against miner's interference:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151213003346/https://www.pevpot.com/provably-fair


Sadly it also suffered the same fate.