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Title: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Legit_Alt+ on December 13, 2019, 05:11:29 PM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum.
The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Oilacris on December 13, 2019, 05:18:26 PM On any system neither new or old, there would always be an abused yet people do have different motives in life either they would go to the slow and legit way or to fast and abusing way.
Giving 30 merits on a post which you do saw that it isnt really that worth but for the person who do give out such number of merits might have different views than you so we cant make any conclusions yet we do have all the rights on using our smerit.If we do find helpful on our side then it depends on how much we do give. You can always make a report though if you do find out some very seriou and oboviouss merit trading. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 13, 2019, 05:31:35 PM <...> Actually, you can award up to 50 sMerits per person per 30 days, so a single post may receive that amount from a single person. I personally have not (I believe) gone over 4 or 5 sMerits per TX, but I’m a bit mean in terms of awarding amounts per post. Others are more generous and/or pressed on time, thus awarding larger amounts (pretty exceptional though to see large sMerit TXs). On some occasions, larger chunks may discretely be awarded to aid the ranking on a person who is nearly on his next rank.I doubt that there is much sMerit trading going on, at least not in large amounts. Not that many people manage significant amounts nowadays, and there are always people on the lookout. For example, we can see all large sMerit TXs since the 01/11/2019 here (for >= 20 sMerits): https://public.tableau.com/shared/XMFYK57G9?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link Most are from @theymos for the art contest. That is an exceptional event though. There stranger ones are normally trying to hide in places such as Ann threads, but there are less of those as time goes by. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: coin-investor on December 13, 2019, 05:38:40 PM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum. The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? Well, you forget to post the link of that post where it generates 30 so we can all see if the post deserves to get 30 merits, honestly, it's hard to get a merit, but I notice that if you create a threat that will give values to all readers, people will give you credit, you just have to give your best shot and hope that people will see the values on your post. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: jets567 on December 13, 2019, 05:40:21 PM There are lot of factors that involves every time a user received a merit, for example the poster bought it from merit seller, the post is informative, the poster is an alt account and as mention above the user who gave merit see the post as helpful but if you think that some users are abusing the merit system then you open a thread in this section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 and let other members give their opinions about your report.
Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: mk4 on December 13, 2019, 06:41:14 PM Really, the number of merits to give a post is completely subjective. I could see a post that enlightened me so much that I could see the markets in a different way and I could give the dude 50 merits and I would think it's worth it. But again, it completely depends on how informative it actually is. I don't think a typical question should receive at least 5 merits or more(depending on the topic).
In the end, I still see this topic as those typical people crying out that they don't receive enough merits through their posts. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: desticy on December 13, 2019, 07:27:44 PM To be honest, I do not understand the point of creating such a topic. If you think that someone is engaged in the purchase or sale of merit, then give strong evidence of this.
You did not cite a single link as an example regarding the things you are talking about. In addition, why are you looking at others, first of all you need to take care of yourself. If you need merit, then try to earn it, and not try to convict other forum participants of violations. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Findingnemo on December 13, 2019, 07:36:46 PM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum. There are no limitations on awarding merit, a single person can give up to 50 per person for a certain period.The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? You can't find anything perfect in this world which applies to merit system of bitcointalk, if you feel that you are not getting more merits as the one who you are accusing then follow their writing behavior. Myself speaking : Don't run for merits! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193493.msg52779922#msg52779922) Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: LbtalkL on December 14, 2019, 12:00:00 AM I guess if the post is really deserving it is not an abused of the system anyhow in my personal opinion if I was going to merit somebody if I see he gain more than 100 merits already to his post I won't add anymore I will give it to other deserving persons who need it.
Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: GreatArkansas on December 14, 2019, 12:50:42 AM I guess if the post is really deserving it is not an abused of the system anyhow in my personal opinion if I was going to merit somebody if I see he gain more than 100 merits already to his post I won't add anymore I will give it to other deserving persons who need it. Agree, and also we can't judge the sender on how many merit he/she will send (unless if it's bought, e.g. buy & sell merits, exchange merit), that's their own sMerits so they can do whatever they want.That's why there are some insidence about merit, like what the OP said, sending too much merit for a low quality post only, but ended up nothing. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: tbct_mt2 on December 14, 2019, 01:56:05 AM theymos said ones can send 200 to 300 merits to the others (just an exaggeration) if the others deserve to rank up. He said this in very early weeks after merit system was used in the forum, when people complained about merit sources and merit usages during those days. I remembered that question raised from the merit usages by Question Authority.
I have never seen ones or merit sources send 200 or 300 merits to one user to help ranking up. And as you see above, the maximum merits one can send to another is only 50 merits. It is so easy to differentiate between right usages and misusages of merits (between legit merit receivers and ones who bought merits). Legit merit receivers earned merits for their good posts. In opposite, the others who bought merits often receive merits with shitposts or very low quality posts. That is not too difficult to realise. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Legit_Alt+ on December 14, 2019, 02:26:44 AM I guess if the post is really deserving it is not an abused of the system anyhow in my personal opinion if I was going to merit somebody if I see he gain more than 100 merits already to his post I won't add anymore I will give it to other deserving persons who need it. Yes, I think you can really see point with me. People make good post that deserves to be merited but once you come across such post that normally you think it need to be merit but occasionally the post already has a good merit I think no need to add more to it they are more other way to acknowledge a post aside from merit. You can drop a recommendation that will make the poster feel good as well just like those comments above it help the poster know better and give him more understanding about What he/she was taking about because no man knows all whati think is perfect might just be as normal to you. Am really glad with different opinions shared in the post and know I have learned something new from it. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: bitmover on December 14, 2019, 02:58:11 AM The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. Well, I agree with you.I think many posts deserve lots of merits. Sometimes a post really deserves 100 or even 200 merits. However, I have seen many shitposts receiving 30-50 merits from the same person (and nobody else merited that post, which somehow proves it didn't deserve any merit). But, life is unfair. This forum is unfair as well, merit system is unfair, cryptocurrency markets are unfair. Try to live your life with those issues and injustices. Don't let those issues and injustices let you down. Pray to have only small injustices in life like this one you mentioned. Keep walking and, if you deserve, you will receive merits and whatever more you deserve in life. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Maus0728 on December 14, 2019, 03:41:44 AM You can't find anything perfect in this world which applies to merit system of bitcointalk, if you feel that you are not getting more merits as the one who you are accusing then follow their writing behavior. I cannot agree with you more. I always stalk other peoples previous post to see and study what are their posting behaviour and what specific board they are posting so that I can learn learn based on what they share in the community.Myself speaking : Don't run for merits! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193493.msg52779922#msg52779922) As per my experience, I am receiving merit whether people agrees with my opinion with regards to a specific topic which makes receiving merit from other user to be subjective. And I think merit comes naturally when someone is well informed and educated in a specific topic. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: joniboini on December 14, 2019, 03:56:27 AM As per my experience, I am receiving merit whether people agrees with my opinion with regards to a specific topic which makes receiving merit from other user to be subjective. And I think merit comes naturally when someone is well informed and educated in a specific topic. Which board is this? If you want to be merited because the depth of your knowledge, maybe try to spend more time on Developments & Technical Discussion. Consider it a challenge. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Bttzed03 on December 14, 2019, 05:13:35 AM I guess if the post is really deserving it is not an abused of the system anyhow in my personal opinion if I was going to merit somebody if I see he gain more than 100 merits already to his post I won't add anymore I will give it to other deserving persons who need it. Yes, I think you can really see point with me. People make good post that deserves to be merited but once you come across such post that normally you think it need to be merit but occasionally the post already has a good merit I think no need to add more to it they are more other way to acknowledge a post aside from merit.Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Juggy777 on December 14, 2019, 05:23:16 AM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum. The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? @Legit_Alt+ it would have been nice if you could have quoted some of those posts here, or left the links so we all could have formed a better opinion. In case you yet feel a person is abusing merits hit the report button, or go to the meta section and post there @Theymos and mods will definitely investigate it. Lastly when merits were launched there was no fixed criteria to reward a post, and to be honest it’s extremely difficult to place a guideline of fixed merits hence the ceiling of 50 merits has been kept in place. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: UserU on December 14, 2019, 05:25:58 AM On the other hand, there are merit-worthy posts that went unnoticed so I guess that makes the world go round.
I cannot agree with you more. I always stalk other peoples previous post to see and study what are their posting behaviour and what specific board they are posting so that I can learn learn based on what they share in the community. Based on my observation, those informational (or statistically backed) posts are what people like to see, hence meritable. Along with artworks or some user-generated contents. Other than that, generally helpful or posts concerning some welfare do receive merits, albeit on a lesser scale. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: pooya87 on December 14, 2019, 05:26:12 AM Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. actually there supposed to be no rules for how much merit you give away, it is your spendable merit and you can use it however you like. People make good post that deserves to be merited but once you come across such post that normally you think it need to be merit but occasionally the post already has a good merit I think no need to add more to it let me ask you this: when you go on reddit for example and see a post that has a bunch of upvotes, won't you upvote it just because it already has some upvote or will you do it despite that?that the same with merit. when 10, 20 different users give merit to a post they are showing that they have found the post useful and the amount of merit they give it shows how much they think it was useful. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Polina_21 on December 14, 2019, 05:37:56 AM In my opinion, merit should be given based on the quality of a post and how useful and relevant that post is.
The maximum smerits a person should give to a post should be below 10. Even though if that post deserves more merits than 10, there are many other members who will be giving the merits. So the number of smerits should be equally distributed to the deserving posts. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: LoyceMobile on December 14, 2019, 06:10:46 AM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.
Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Findingnemo on December 14, 2019, 09:09:29 AM You can't find anything perfect in this world which applies to merit system of bitcointalk, if you feel that you are not getting more merits as the one who you are accusing then follow their writing behavior. I cannot agree with you more. I always stalk other peoples previous post to see and study what are their posting behaviour and what specific board they are posting so that I can learn learn based on what they share in the community.Myself speaking : Don't run for merits! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193493.msg52779922#msg52779922) As per my experience, I am receiving merit whether people agrees with my opinion with regards to a specific topic which makes receiving merit from other user to be subjective. And I think merit comes naturally when someone is well informed and educated in a specific topic. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Kprawn on December 14, 2019, 09:22:50 AM I am more worried about the sMerit being given to posts that are clearly rubbish. You can see that these are possibly a duplicate account or some
friends account that are being boosted. You are supposed to give sMerit to posts that add value to the forum. It is difficult to determine if a post deserve the sMerit that was given to it, but some are blatantly obvious that they are misusing the Merit system. There should be a Merit abuse reporting function being added to prevent this. Simply reporting the post, will not highlight the user that gave merit to the post. :P Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Legit_Alt+ on December 14, 2019, 11:51:18 AM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again. i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: virasog on December 14, 2019, 01:11:31 PM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum. The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? Merit is not moderated and hence you can give any numbers of merits and there is no restrictions to it and it cannot be challenged. Even Theymos recently gave 30 -50 merits on photo competition to many posts. What is deserving merit post and what is not a deserving post, is none of our business. The merit sender likes a post and give as many merit as he likes. Also I think people should be given more merits and not just 1 -2 . Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: BitcoinsGreat on December 14, 2019, 01:18:52 PM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum. The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? We cannot prevent the buying or selling of merits. You have may a few examples where you see 30+ merits given to posts which you might get impression that those merits are bought but what about those intelligent buyers/sellers who will give 1 or 2 merits to many posts and it is difficult to figure out if the merits given are genuine or not. We can just hope these merit sellers get shortage of their smerits and so there is no abuse possible. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Coyster on December 14, 2019, 02:38:21 PM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again. i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...There is no injustice going on in the forum, the legit and good posters are ranking up and they are not complaining. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 14, 2019, 03:16:14 PM <…> Since sMerit awarding is not moderated, reporting merit abuse cases would be rather fruitless. In the past, there were some threads were people would list suspected cases (see Suspected users that are abusing merit 3.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0) for example), but all that these cases really led to at most, was for one or both parties to receive negative trust at the time. Trust should not really be for this sort of situations, so after some debate, tagging for this motive I think cooled down a notch. That, and the fact that, as time goes by, (blatant) merit abuse cases diminish. I’m sure that, if we went on a case by case basis, we could still see some absurd cases that are at best poorly awarded, but the amount should not be significant in the overall picture (lest it should become a hot topic again due to abundant cases). Only on a few selected occasions has merit abuse been reversed (I recall a hacked account sending merit in large chunks, a Merit Source handing out large amounts too easily, and another case whose details I cannot recall now). That kind of suggests that, in the big picture, the amount of abuse is considered non-significant; at least not large enough to create a formal procedure to deal with it. Those cases that one spots as blatant cases suck, and one would like to be able to get them reversed or nullified, but I figure that introducing judgment over judgment was kept at bay, lest it be needed. It seems not. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: rosezionjohn on December 14, 2019, 03:30:03 PM The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Is this 30+ merits given by several users or just one? I've seen 50 merits sent by one user only a couple of times and even admin does that. Quote Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. According to who? The thing is you cannot tell anyone how to spend their sMerits or how many and you cannot judge how they spend it. Merit sources are different though, they have to follow some guidelines. There was a recent case where a former staff was questioned for giving merits for a simple statement.Quote But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. This is a clear case of merit abuse.Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Findingnemo on December 14, 2019, 06:00:32 PM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again. i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: nakamura12 on December 14, 2019, 08:20:59 PM Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum. It's entirely up to the merit sender as long as the said post is of help to all. It could be consider merit abuse, merit selling or buying if the post that is merited is useless. To clarify what you have been confused of is to provide the link of the post that got 30+ meritd and let the experts here to check if it's an abuse of merit or not.The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: FIFA worldcup on December 15, 2019, 04:37:11 AM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again. i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...You are just under estimating the number of quality poster here. I still see a lot of good posts still left un-merited so it is not the case that there is no good posts in the forum and merit sources are forced to give more merits on few posts. This is not the case. If you can see the history of merits given by the sources, you will see they are given merits to a lot of posts and the posts are also increasing everyday. The ratio of quality post and smerits is balanced at the moment. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Findingnemo on December 15, 2019, 04:45:11 AM snip~ You are just under estimating the number of quality poster here. I still see a lot of good posts still left un-merited so it is not the case that there is no good posts in the forum and merit sources are forced to give more merits on few posts. This is not the case. If you can see the history of merits given by the sources, you will see they are given merits to a lot of posts and the posts are also increasing everyday. The ratio of quality post and smerits is balanced at the moment. Merit sources are not getting paid for being a one, so they are spending their free time to find worthy posts which we can't enforce them to do all their time. Not every good post will not get merits. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: aioc on December 15, 2019, 12:02:20 PM But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit... Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this????? We cannot stop people from buying merit because there are members who are selling it, but if they are caught they will be tagged, selling andf buying merit is a big no-no and every member of this forum knows this, we have to follow the rules of the game even if the reality is it's hard to get one. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Upgrade00 on December 15, 2019, 12:21:49 PM Merit awarding is subjective, and also unregulated. A case where an undeserving posts gets lots of merits is abuse of the system, but little action can be taken against the accounts involved, a negative feedback at most. But if a post is deemed quality, then by all means I think you should give a generous amount of smerits. There shouldn't be a discussion about good posts getting too much merits.
There are lots of smerits and more can be generated by the admins. So I believe if theymos notices a gulf in the merit circulation compared to the quality of posts on the forum an action would be taken, either an increase in sources or source allocation (or both). Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: OcTradism on December 15, 2019, 02:07:57 PM In my opinion, merit should be given based on the quality of a post and how useful and relevant that post is. But the assessment on helpfulness is very subjective. Different users have different assessments on one helpful posts which result in different sendable merits will be sent to that post. The first point is not too exactly because the common things can be unknown ones for newbies, so any answer to help newbies are always useful. If the answers can help newbies to answer their questions, that are good. As expansion to newbies' questions, if answers are opened ones, newbies can move further and learning more from the answers. They can start with the answers and some given hints to search for more related things.
Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 15, 2019, 02:48:46 PM If we go over the 274.160 existing sMerit TXs (as of last Friday), only 0,72% are above or equal to 20 sMerits, and 2,45% above or equal to 10 sMerits. The mayority of the sMerit TXs are for the amount of 1 sMerit (69,32%) or 2 sMerits (15,09%).
Code: amount nTX %TX %TX ACC Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: philipma1957 on December 15, 2019, 04:19:25 PM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again. i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...It can be very difficult if you have a lot of merits to give. I get more then 100 source merits a month. To give them away in a fair manner I need to read a lot of threads this is time consuming. I try hard to read a lot of posts. But some times I am busy and I may not fully check the post. I have given credit on 3 or 4 occasions to posts that were found to be plagiarized. This is a discouragement to me I spend hours looking for a good post to give merits to and it turns out to be a copied post. I am pretty sure your post here is not copied and it is a good question, so I gave you some merit for it. If we go over the 274.160 existing sMerit TXs (as of last Friday), only 0,72% are above or equal to 20 sMerits, and 2,45% above or equal to 10 sMerits. The mayority of the sMerit TXs are for the amount of 1 sMerit (69,32%) or 2 sMerits (15,09%). The best way to abuse is give 2 ,4 or 6 not easy to notice and the recipient gets to send some merit out. giving 10 20 30 40 or 50 attracts alot of attention.Code: amount nTX %TX %TX ACC Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Legit_Alt+ on December 16, 2019, 04:16:03 AM OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again. i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...I disagree with you, can find up-to 500+ good post on Bitcointalk forum. They are allot of place to find good post eg Metal board, marketplace, Altcoin and bitcoin section, political section. Especially in metal board almost all the post here goes along with good information that will educate and add some knowledge to what you already know am not trying to single out any section here as the best but there is always best among the good. Each section has it purpose and function, the forum is larger than what you are thinking just time your to move around forum you will come to understand what am trying to say here. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: libert19 on December 16, 2019, 04:56:02 AM Should have linked the post, but anyway content quality is in the eyes of beholder. What you think of undeserving of merit, the other think otherwise.
connections matter too ;D Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: LoyceV on December 16, 2019, 11:21:19 AM I disagree with you, can find up-to 500+ good post on Bitcointalk forum. Please post those 500+ unmerited good posts in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0). You'll notice it's a lot of work!Meanwhile, you haven't merited a single post yet. What's stopping you from doing your share in meriting good posts? Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: GSpgh on December 16, 2019, 01:47:56 PM The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. I've seen posts that deserve 1000+ merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0). There is enough merits and the admin can make more at any time. If you see someone actually selling merits report to admin but otherwise just forget what other people are getting or sending. Even if you could restrict merits per post it's not going to help you if you don't make good posts. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: FIFA worldcup on December 16, 2019, 05:16:34 PM The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. I've seen posts that deserve 1000+ merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0). There is enough merits and the admin can make more at any time. If you see someone actually selling merits report to admin but otherwise just forget what other people are getting or sending. Even if you could restrict merits per post it's not going to help you if you don't make good posts. The example post which you have given is of satoshi and its people love and affection that people have given a lot of merit to that first post. Other than that no post deserve 1000+ merits. Also you cannot report selling of merits because you have no way to proof that the merit given is by the sale of it. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: adjed on December 16, 2019, 05:37:34 PM When a post truly deserves to be merited, it can be merited as many as possible, for example someone might post a topic that and it was read and loved by 1000 people, 200 of them chose to merit the post and what you are saying is that if I read the post and it touches a chord in my heart, I shouldn't merit it just because it has been merited by others? Sometimes these things are being abused, but if you look closely, most of the merits given away are given for worthy reasons (quality or helpful posts) and last time I checked, everybody reserves the right to merit whoever they like.
Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 16, 2019, 06:28:11 PM When a post truly deserves to be merited, it can be merited as many as possible, for example someone might post a topic that and it was read and loved by 1000 people, 200 of them chose to merit the post and what you are saying is that if I read the post and it touches a chord in my heart, I shouldn't merit it just because it has been merited by others? <…> I was actually wondering about that a few days ago, from a psychological point of view. When we see a post that is (well) merited, we focus on the content, but cannot avoid looking at who merited it and how much. That could lead to:a) Nothing, I’m immutable to influence other than the post content itself (poster may or may not also be a subconscious factor, but that’s not what I’m on about right now). b) It influences me (conscious or subsconscious) to merit the post, because others have already found it deserving of merits. c) It influences me (conscious or subsconscious) not to merit the post, because it has already been merited enough. Scenario "a" is the most objective one, but I bet "b" and "c" play a heavy hand on some multi-merited posts. That is part of the psychology, and it would be an interesting experiment (conceptually) to do something similar to what Instagram is doing is some places (hide the "like"), by hiding the merits on the posts from viewers (except the person merited), and seeing what happens. Not going to happen on Bitcointalk, but definitively an interesting experiment. By the way, this is the distribution of the number of meriters per post: Code: nMeriters nPosts % Posts Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Daniel91 on December 17, 2019, 07:04:22 AM I disagree with you, can find up-to 500+ good post on Bitcointalk forum. Please post those 500+ unmerited good posts in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0). You'll notice it's a lot of work!Meanwhile, you haven't merited a single post yet. What's stopping you from doing your share in meriting good posts? Well, I think we all have different opinions and criterion about good and bad posts. Generally, more or less, I think that all good posts in this forum receive merits and also I think we have enough merits available for this purpose. If you really think that some post deserve merit give your merit or post to the post mentioned above. Also, there are a lot merit giveaway topics already. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: Negotiation on December 17, 2019, 07:21:29 AM It's not okay to abuse the qualifications in the forum because if you can post a good quality yourself that is positively enlightening to everyone then you will be able to achieve the talent you deserve. It is entirely up to you therefore to try the food yourself without looking at the food If anybody qualifies for merit without abusing the qualifications in the forum we will all give him the talent.
Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: hornbill on December 17, 2019, 07:53:48 AM Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post. actually there supposed to be no rules for how much merit you give away, it is your spendable merit and you can use it however you like. People make good post that deserves to be merited but once you come across such post that normally you think it need to be merit but occasionally the post already has a good merit I think no need to add more to it let me ask you this: when you go on reddit for example and see a post that has a bunch of upvotes, won't you upvote it just because it already has some upvote or will you do it despite that?that the same with merit. when 10, 20 different users give merit to a post they are showing that they have found the post useful and the amount of merit they give it shows how much they think it was useful. Couldn't agree with you more. I joined and started reading stuffs on this forum simply because I thought it's a great place to start and learn something about my new job which relates to cryptocurrency. Although I know it allows users to access to many other feature etc. Never see the point of chasing merits also cannot understand why on earth someone cares about how to give/take it in any particular way. Thought it is just LIKEs as many other platforms. If the posts/replies are good then ppl tell them they like it as semi-reward, right? And a bad one or spam will be reported and taken off anyway. If I misinterpreted the point of this merits system, please do tell me tho. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 17, 2019, 08:08:58 AM <…> It’s different to a like really, although it can intersect at times. I have definitively merited posts I do not particularly agree with nor like (although it sure is easier if you do), but that have a good narrative, or seem to be or potentially be useful to the community on the whole.A like is more of a personal Boolean factor, where as a merit is probably a more multifactor type element (i.e. effort and/or well versed/argued and/or informative and/or novel and/or mind racketing and/or etc.), and not always awarded because you “"like" the post itself. Note: Likes are also rather banal; merits require in principal a bit more effort to be obtained. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: hornbill on December 17, 2019, 09:28:10 AM <…> A like is more of a personal Boolean factor, where as a merit is probably a more multifactor type element (i.e. effort and/or well versed/argued and/or informative and/or novel and/or mind racketing and/or etc.), and not always awarded because you “"like" the post itself.Note: Likes are also rather banal; merits require in principal a bit more effort to be obtained. Good point. Then I see why some may think certain posts do not worth more than 30+ merits. Thanks a lot for the explanation. Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: tranthidung on December 18, 2019, 01:49:09 AM Sorry for this big quote, but it is a visual display from boring data. I hope you like it.
I dropped 16 transactions with negative merits before getting statistics below.
Bar charts & raw statistics: Number of merit transactions over groups: 10 categories: Code: group | Freq. Percent Cum. 5 categories: Code: cat | Freq. Percent Cum. Percent of sum merits over groups per total merits: Over 10 groups: Code: +------------------------------------+ Over 5 groups: Code: +------------------------------------+ Title: Re: The misused of merit on forum..... Post by: tranthidung on December 18, 2019, 02:27:14 AM Stats for total merits of topics and posts (since 24/1/2018 to 11/12/2018):
ABSTRACT
Topics: Code: variable | N mean sd p50 p25 p75 min max Code: +-------------------------+ Posts: Code: variable | N mean sd p50 p25 p75 min max Code: +-------------------------------------+ Categorisations of merited-topics/ merited-posts: Topics: Code: group | Freq. Percent Cum. Posts: Code: group | Freq. Percent Cum. |
