The misused of merit on forum.....

[LoyceMobile]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

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[Findingnemo]

You can't find anything perfect in this world which applies to merit system of bitcointalk, if you feel that you are not getting more merits as the one who you are accusing then follow their writing behavior.

Myself speaking : Don't run for merits!

I cannot agree with you more. I always stalk other peoples previous post to see and study what are their posting behaviour and what specific board they are posting so that I can learn learn based on what they share in the community.

As per my experience, I am receiving merit whether people agrees with my opinion with regards to a specific topic which makes receiving merit from other user to be subjective. And I think merit comes naturally when someone is well informed and educated in a specific topic.

Copying other's trading behavior will bring attention to your posts but copying is not the same as learning.IMHO, pretending to be someone else is something disgusting so I never did that.Just be myself still I am getting merits somewhat slow and steady.

[Kprawn]

I am more worried about the sMerit being given to posts that are clearly rubbish. You can see that these are possibly a duplicate account or some

friends account that are being boosted. You are supposed to give sMerit to posts that add value to the forum. It is difficult to determine if a post

deserve the sMerit that was given to it, but some are blatantly obvious that they are misusing the Merit system. There should be a Merit abuse

reporting function being added to prevent this. Simply reporting the post, will not highlight the user that gave merit to the post. 

[Legit_Alt+]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge  not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...

[virasog]

Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum.

The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit...

Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this??

Merit is not moderated and hence you can give any numbers of merits and there is no restrictions to it and it cannot be challenged. Even Theymos recently gave 30 -50 merits on photo competition to many posts. What is deserving merit post and what is not a deserving post, is none of our business. The merit sender likes a post and give as many merit as he likes. Also I think people should be given more merits and not just 1 -2 .

[BitcoinsGreat]

Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum.

The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit...

Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this??

We cannot prevent the buying or selling of merits. You have may a few examples where you see 30+ merits given to posts which you might get impression that those merits are bought but what about those intelligent buyers/sellers who will give 1 or 2 merits to many posts and it is difficult to figure out if the merits given are genuine or not.
We can just hope these merit sellers get shortage of their smerits and so there is no abuse possible.

[Coyster]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge  not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...

That post never meant that admin wants merit sources to give merits to posts that do not deserve it, what it means is that as long as merit sources can find good posts that are good and that should be merited, then there is no problem emptying their source merits on those few, even if it means giving out from 30-50, which i think that's what you are whining about.

There is no injustice going on in the forum, the legit and good posters are ranking up and they are not complaining.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Since sMerit awarding is not moderated, reporting merit abuse cases would be rather fruitless. In the past, there were some threads were people would list suspected cases (see Suspected users that are abusing merit 3.0 for example), but all that these cases really led to at most, was for one or both parties to receive negative trust at the time. Trust should not really be for this sort of situations, so after some debate, tagging for this motive I think cooled down a notch. That, and the fact that, as time goes by, (blatant) merit abuse cases diminish.

I’m sure that, if we went on a case by case basis, we could still see some absurd cases that are at best poorly awarded, but the amount should not be significant in the overall picture (lest it should become a hot topic again due to abundant cases).

Only on a few selected occasions has merit abuse been reversed (I recall a hacked account sending merit in large chunks, a Merit Source handing out large amounts too easily, and another case whose details I cannot recall now). That kind of suggests that, in the big picture, the amount of abuse is considered non-significant; at least not large enough to create a formal procedure to deal with it. Those cases that one spots as blatant cases suck, and one would like to be able to get them reversed or nullified, but I figure that introducing judgment over judgment was kept at bay, lest it be needed. It seems not.

[rosezionjohn]

The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer.

Is this 30+ merits given by several users or just one? I've seen 50 merits sent by one user only a couple of times and even admin does that.

Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

According to who? The thing is you cannot tell anyone how to spend their sMerits or how many and you cannot judge how they spend it. Merit sources are different though, they have to follow some guidelines. There was a recent case where a former staff was questioned for giving merits for a simple statement.

But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum.

This is a clear case of merit abuse.

[Findingnemo]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge  not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...

What admin meant on the post is if you have 150 source smerits to be spend for every month but you can't find 150 good posts in that time, you only can find the three good posts means just give 50 for that three posts rather than wasting source merits.

[nakamura12]

Hello community am confused about theway merit are being used in this forum.

The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit...

Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this??

It's entirely up to the merit sender as long as the said post is of help to all. It could be consider merit abuse, merit selling or buying if the post that is merited is useless. To clarify what you have been confused of is to provide the link of the post that got 30+ meritd and let the experts here to check if it's an abuse of merit or not.

[FIFA worldcup]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge  not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...

What admin meant on the post is if you have 150 source smerits to be spend for every month but you can't find 150 good posts in that time, you only can find the three good posts means just give 50 for that three posts rather than wasting source merits.

You are just under estimating the number of quality poster here. I still see a lot of good posts still left un-merited so it is not the case that there is no good posts in the forum and merit sources are forced to give more merits on few posts. This is not the case. If you can see the history of merits given by the sources, you will see they are given merits to a lot of posts and the posts are also increasing everyday. The ratio of quality post and smerits is balanced at the moment.

[Findingnemo]

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You are just under estimating the number of quality poster here. I still see a lot of good posts still left un-merited so it is not the case that there is no good posts in the forum and merit sources are forced to give more merits on few posts. This is not the case. If you can see the history of merits given by the sources, you will see they are given merits to a lot of posts and the posts are also increasing everyday. The ratio of quality post and smerits is balanced at the moment.

I just have an example of what admin asked the merit sources to do when they can't find enough quality posts to exhaust their source merit.

Merit sources are not getting paid for being a one, so they are spending their free time to find worthy posts which we can't enforce them to do all their time.

Not every good post will not get merits.

[aioc]

But it now seems many person now buy it even when they don't merit have any. I don't think this was the primary aim of adding merit to this forum. Please let stop abusing merit...

Please what did you think, what is your suggestion on regarding this??

We cannot stop people from buying merit because there are members who are selling it, but if they are caught they will be tagged, selling andf buying merit is a big no-no and every member of this forum knows this, we have to follow the rules of the game even if the reality is it's hard to get one.

[Upgrade00]

Merit awarding is subjective, and also unregulated. A case where an undeserving posts gets lots of merits is abuse of the system, but little action can be taken against the accounts involved, a negative feedback at most. But if a post is deemed quality, then by all means I think you should give a generous amount of smerits. There shouldn't be a discussion about good posts getting too much merits.
There are lots of smerits and more can be generated by the admins. So I believe if theymos notices a gulf in the merit circulation compared to the quality of posts on the forum an action would be taken, either an increase in sources or source allocation (or both).

[OcTradism]

In my opinion, merit should be given based on the quality of a post and how useful and relevant that post is.

• If the post is good and the topic is old and known to everyone then it should be awarded 1-2 merits.
• If the post is new and useful then it should be given 2-3 merits.
• If the post is too good and benefits more users, then it should be given 5 merits and more.

But the assessment on helpfulness is very subjective. Different users have different assessments on one helpful posts which result in different sendable merits will be sent to that post. The first point is not too exactly because the common things can be unknown ones for newbies, so any answer to help newbies are always useful. If the answers can help newbies to answer their questions, that are good. As expansion to newbies' questions, if answers are opened ones, newbies can move further and learning more from the answers. They can start with the answers and some given hints to search for more related things.

[DdmrDdmr]

If we go over the 274.160 existing sMerit TXs (as of last Friday), only 0,72% are above or equal to 20 sMerits, and 2,45% above or equal to 10 sMerits. The mayority of the sMerit TXs are for the amount of 1 sMerit (69,32%) or 2 sMerits (15,09%).

Code:

amount    nTX       %TX       %TX ACC   
50        493       0,18%     0,18%
49        12        0,00%     0,18%
48        6         0,00%     0,19%
47        3         0,00%     0,19%
46        9         0,00%     0,19%
45        19        0,01%     0,20%
44        6         0,00%     0,20%
43        5         0,00%     0,20%
42        9         0,00%     0,20%
41        8         0,00%     0,21%
40        62        0,02%     0,23%
39        14        0,01%     0,24%
38        10        0,00%     0,24%
37        6         0,00%     0,24%
36        7         0,00%     0,24%
35        30        0,01%     0,25%
34        13        0,00%     0,26%
33        15        0,01%     0,27%
32        19        0,01%     0,27%
31        17        0,01%     0,28%
30        134       0,05%     0,33%
29        24        0,01%     0,34%
28        12        0,00%     0,34%
27        31        0,01%     0,35%
26        25        0,01%     0,36%
25        203       0,07%     0,43%
24        30        0,01%     0,45%
23        22        0,01%     0,45%
22        42        0,02%     0,47%
21        50        0,02%     0,49%
20        644       0,23%     0,72%
19        77        0,03%     0,75%
18        39        0,01%     0,76%
17        47        0,02%     0,78%
16        64        0,02%     0,81%
15        271       0,10%     0,90%
14        48        0,02%     0,92%
13        90        0,03%     0,95%
12        174       0,06%     1,02%
11        149       0,05%     1,07%
10        3791      1,38%     2,45%
9         430       0,16%     2,61%
8         570       0,21%     2,82%
7         1108      0,40%     3,22%
6         1223      0,45%     3,67%
5         10865     3,96%     7,63%
4         10568     3,85%     11,49%
3         11220     4,09%     15,58%
2         41382     15,09%    30,67%
1         190048    69,32%    99,99%
-1        1         0,00%     99,99%
-2        3         0,00%     100,00%
-4        1         0,00%     100,00%
-5        2         0,00%     100,00%
-7        1         0,00%     100,00%
-8        1         0,00%     100,00%
-9        2         0,00%     100,00%
-10       5         0,00%     100,00%

Looking at the above, the vast majority of TXs are of a limited amount, and only a small portion are of high amounts. We could bring case examples of blatant abuse in the past pretty easily, but in the big picture, they should not really represent a significant amount. There’s probably a fair share more of micro-abuse in the 1 sMerit TX segment, as many account farmers are probably happy to have a bunch of Jr. Accounts nowadays.

[philipma1957]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge  not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...

It can be very difficult if you have a lot of merits to give.

I get more then 100 source merits a month.

To give them away in a fair manner  I need to read  a lot of threads this is time consuming.  I try hard to read a lot of posts. But some times  I am busy and I may not fully check the post.

I have given credit on 3 or 4 occasions to posts that were found to be plagiarized.  This is a discouragement to me I spend hours looking for a good post to give merits to and it turns out to be a copied post.

I am pretty sure your post here is not copied and it is a good question, so I gave you some merit for it.

If we go over the 274.160 existing sMerit TXs (as of last Friday), only 0,72% are above or equal to 20 sMerits, and 2,45% above or equal to 10 sMerits. The mayority of the sMerit TXs are for the amount of 1 sMerit (69,32%) or 2 sMerits (15,09%).

Code:

amount    nTX       %TX       %TX ACC   
50        493       0,18%     0,18%
49        12        0,00%     0,18%
48        6         0,00%     0,19%
47        3         0,00%     0,19%
46        9         0,00%     0,19%
45        19        0,01%     0,20%
44        6         0,00%     0,20%
43        5         0,00%     0,20%
42        9         0,00%     0,20%
41        8         0,00%     0,21%
40        62        0,02%     0,23%
39        14        0,01%     0,24%
38        10        0,00%     0,24%
37        6         0,00%     0,24%
36        7         0,00%     0,24%
35        30        0,01%     0,25%
34        13        0,00%     0,26%
33        15        0,01%     0,27%
32        19        0,01%     0,27%
31        17        0,01%     0,28%
30        134       0,05%     0,33%
29        24        0,01%     0,34%
28        12        0,00%     0,34%
27        31        0,01%     0,35%
26        25        0,01%     0,36%
25        203       0,07%     0,43%
24        30        0,01%     0,45%
23        22        0,01%     0,45%
22        42        0,02%     0,47%
21        50        0,02%     0,49%
20        644       0,23%     0,72%
19        77        0,03%     0,75%
18        39        0,01%     0,76%
17        47        0,02%     0,78%
16        64        0,02%     0,81%
15        271       0,10%     0,90%
14        48        0,02%     0,92%
13        90        0,03%     0,95%
12        174       0,06%     1,02%
11        149       0,05%     1,07%
10        3791      1,38%     2,45%
9         430       0,16%     2,61%
8         570       0,21%     2,82%
7         1108      0,40%     3,22%
6         1223      0,45%     3,67%
5         10865     3,96%     7,63%
4         10568     3,85%     11,49%
3         11220     4,09%     15,58%
2         41382     15,09%    30,67%
1         190048    69,32%    99,99%
-1        1         0,00%     99,99%
-2        3         0,00%     100,00%
-4        1         0,00%     100,00%
-5        2         0,00%     100,00%
-7        1         0,00%     100,00%
-8        1         0,00%     100,00%
-9        2         0,00%     100,00%
-10       5         0,00%     100,00%

Looking at the above, the vast majority of TXs are of a limited amount, and only a small portion are of high amounts. We could bring case examples of blatant abuse in the past pretty easily, but in the big picture, they should not really represent a significant amount. There’s probably a fair share more of micro-abuse in the 1 sMerit TX segment, as many account farmers are probably happy to have a bunch of Jr. Accounts nowadays.

  The best way to abuse is give 2 ,4 or 6  not easy to notice  and the recipient gets to send some merit  out.   giving 10 20 30 40 or 50  attracts  alot of attention.

[Legit_Alt+]

OP, Admin said merit sources should empty their source. Of they only find a few good posts in a month, they should give all to them so they can merit others again.

i don't really understand what you are trying to say, but I most tell you that admins said all smerit should empty doesn't create room for giving merit to does that don't deserve it. I believed Merit was introduced to this forum so that good poster can reallybe acknowledge  not by misusing it. This is turn the forum to injustice place for legit poster...

What admin meant on the post is if you have 150 source smerits to be spend for every month but you can't find 150 good posts in that time, you only can find the three good posts means just give 50 for that three posts rather than wasting source merits.

I disagree with you, can find up-to 500+ good post on Bitcointalk forum. They are allot of place to find good post eg Metal board, marketplace, Altcoin and bitcoin section, political section. Especially in metal board almost all the post here goes along with good information that will educate and add some knowledge to what you already know am not trying to single out any section here as the best but there is always best among the good. Each section has it purpose and function, the forum is larger than what you are thinking just time your to move around forum you will come to understand what am trying to say here.

[libert19]

Should have linked the post, but anyway content quality is in the eyes of beholder. What you think of undeserving of merit, the other think otherwise.

connections matter too