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my english is limited

Satoshi's forum, which rebelled against the global system, surrendered to a gang of 3-5 people?

after every word they say to me
this is not just a forum cleaning operation
get rid of competitors in the forum operation

will we ask you when giving feedback? why don't you ask me
will we ask you when giving merit? why don't you ask me
will we ask you while we're shaking our asses? why don't you ask me


forum management allow meta to return to dump? Will it serve someone's personal ambitions and gains (chipmixer bounty, etc.)?

Who are these guys? there are 3 people under each title they open and gang leaders
where do they get the right to accuse people with evidence or no evidence? "maybe ban-maybe alt account" :D ...(multiple not forbidden)
are they allowed to put a complete local section under suspicion?

see the titles and posts they wrote!

I have only one account
did not plagiarize
no merit exchange

ban me and the gangs who humiliate the Turkish forum
or ban me and close the turkish local forum

If I step into the forum again, I'll be a like them!

I'm sick of this gang that stained me and my friends every day and made them look like angels.

and this forum chooses me DT1. but I am accused of doing all kinds of questionable transactions. ??? ::)

Who are these 3 users you are talking about?
:o
Who did that?
I am trying to find who mentioned you but so far I failed, if you could be so kind to provide some links here?
I am not following you. When you say gang, you are referring to who?
Where? Links please.

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Edit: it was me who said that I think you are alt accounts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg53347710#msg53347710). I should have probably kept this for myself and I am not really sure why I posted this, so I really apologize for that.

marlboroza If you look at past posts, you see what I'm saying.
I can't do anything for not wanting to see ;)

Who are those 3-5 people you are talking about? Can you be more specific?. didn't notice marlboroza's reply

I don't know who is on dt1 list and who is not anymore. But -excuse me- and for the sake of all forum members, if you are a dt member, be more active on tagging scammers (at least for the sake of those who elected you)

The Turkish section is one of the most active sections and no one (or gang) will be able to shut it down. However anyone have the right to question the credibility of new DTs.
Anyway, trust is not moderated.

I edited my post before you posted this, still, you didn't address some things you mentioned in topic. Please do.

you say you have trouble with english.

he asks you to clarify your statements.

you get defensive and play the ignorant card; yet again.


Do you now see this cycle that is repeating?  
Do you see how your behavior is causing all of this?

Unless you have something about you directly connected to the people avoiding bans; a lot of your arguments make no sense.

The world is changing and everything that cannot keep up with this change will be destroyed. No status quo!

Those who know the forum understand what I mean. thanks



Oh, you said it, but there are others.


Jared, why don't you go and give 10 merits to others? ;)


Sent in the last 120 days
December 08, 2019, 10:50:12 AM: 3 to marlboroza for Ban evasion by ban evader - please permaban - case #5
December 07, 2019, 01:51:35 AM: 10 to suchmoon for Re: Ban evasion by scammy DT member - please permaban account - case #1
December 05, 2019, 03:19:17 AM: 10 to suchmoon for Re: Calling for SENSIBLE DEBATE on this use of the trust system ( not regarding us)

Ok, cut the crap and address this:

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Ad hominem has nothing to do with statements, but it is good method to distract from real subject.

What does that have to do with my statements?  I, in-fact have already handed out my allotment to those whom deserve it.

Stop acting like a child.  You are proving my point;  yet again.

... let the circle continue ...

find them one by one marlboroza
you're good at this
but do not forget the implied :)

no no, I'm not moving away from the subject, I speak in the middle


you've been after me since I applied for merit source
who gives you orders because you get too much on things that aren't about you

edit: congratulations. I could not merit source.  ;)

no;  Ive been suspicious of you ever since you attacked him verbally for no reason.


That's why.


Stop assuming things.  It gives you the wrong idea.


And;  you should answer the questions above respectfully.

Stop acting this way;  I guarantee it is a major part of the reason you are not a source of merit.

The OP is a Quicksy-style nutjob, mad as a hatter, English proficiency notwithstanding. Marlboroza touched a nerve apparently by exposing a few ban-evading shitheads so now apparently anyone who dared to have an unfavorable-towards-said-shitheads opinion is supposed to be banned, because reasons.


Dude... you're a member of the gang obviously, proven beyond reasonable doubt by the fact of sending merits. That's how it works in Turkey.

asking in good faith
why do you evaluate events from a single point of view? Don't you think a middle eastern person is a good person? or angry with those who slander him?
what is the purpose of attacking the Turks or me or other Turks in every post?
Is it the 3rd largest local forum?
Is it that we can rival those seeking global interest?



Look, I was again accused of crime.

here I am trying to express all my thoughts to the extent that my English allows.

Discussion is open
Strange gangs unknown
Waiting.

Who is attacking Turks? I was investigating some accounts and now I am investigating per request. :-X

/lock thread wolwoo.

What crime? Being mad? I doubt it's a crime. Even demanding to ban users for expressing their opinions, and posting a laundry list of fallacies is not a crime.

Quit deflecting, start using your DT privileges to clean up your board if you really care about that. This didn't even involve you until you started defending ban-evading sockpuppets but now that you got involved how about doing something instead of yapping incessantly about your imaginary national grievances?


Or it could be just the ban-evading sockpuppets that are the problem, has that thought ever crossed your mind?

I will not even consider answer a single of your useless questions until you answer the ones above.... at the very minimum.

I am getting ready to make you the second on my ignore list where your posts can sit along with TOAA's.



I'm typically a very patient person.   You sir need to re-evaluate yourself and your behavior.  You are going to have to jump through some major hope to earn any further respect from me.

I mostly share my own opinions here. but I know there are people who give me the rights. We appreciate readers and mod's
stop blaming me and the turkish local forum. When you can't find data, stop taking shelter from "can-MAYBE" nonsense. Stop putting pressure on people.
If you want to blame and have proof, publish it but do not show. Don't try to make yourself look like an elite layer of the forum. because you are not.

you are mentioned in the turkish forum
I come and always the same topics, the same words
talk about art, talk about blockchain, movies, altcoins, innovations ...
ONLY "TURKİSH SCAMMER TURKİSH SCAMMER-BAN BAN BAN" ENOUGH

topic will stay open if not deleted again
who gives support, who does not want to think about me is free to think.

I don't see opinion, I see someone just requested ban for 3 users, so who are these 3 users?
Huh?
I mentioned bchconnect (altcoin, innovations) and some users seems pissed because of it, before that I mentioned blockchain and you declared a war against me, I talked about youtube movies and Vispilio attacked me, so I hope you understand why I don't want to talk about art.

someone who constantly accuses the Turks ....
with or without proof ...
Someone who does nothing but support them ...
Someone who does not neglect to show while accusing ...
attackers
forum eaters
clean up possible opponents
vaccinate ideas and behavior in the forum
those who think they are "strong"
try to get status
leave the square to anyone
and those who do this together....

that's all I have to say
let some others talk

This sounds delicious. What's the minimum safe cooking temperature to get rid of the shitposting vermin?

It is? I'd have thought you'd have to say specifically who or what the Dalton gang actually is, but I guess it's fun to be kept guessing. It builds suspense. ;D

I recommend 5,500°C (10,000°F).

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MryQii-dvu8/R1IdBIBUFzI/AAAAAAAAA-I/0WZSW-LRXfo/s1600-R/vlcsnap-1595588.png

Maybe this will refresh your memory or perhaps you'll even recognize yourself:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Reward_15000_-_Dalton_Gang.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Reward_15000_-_Dalton_Gang.jpg)

There's a ~2 BTC reward too, might explain why the OP is so eager.

60 - 70 degrees isn't too boiling I think it's enough to burn some shitposting pests.

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Hello, @wolwoo did you put my name on your list of goodness about this accusation gang, I don't think so.

Many do cleaning here not just in your local area this happens almost all local, if involved in crap.

If, you feel yourself clean is not involved in an Alt account that prohibits, and fraud why, your beard is on fire, do you want a sensation in your area.

You are talking nonsense and are against members here who are doing their work, I don't think, nobody wants to close your local forum like you said, they just do what they have to do.
You talk too much here, people here talk according to the rules and evidence presented, the evidence presented is enough to burn the content in it.

https://i111.fastpic.ru/big/2019/1216/fa/2b4d5236217ca2f910f3d54f148cb1fa.jpg (https://fastpic.ru/view/111/2019/1216/2b4d5236217ca2f910f3d54f148cb1fa.jpg.html)

Are we having fun youth?

decentralized future
centralized forum

There are members who think they are the owners of this forum. They blame the other members for eating the best bounty, they eat them. They eat, digest, chop, and stain other members. Because they want to eat the best bounty. They impose their own code of ethics on the forum. But the rules of satoshi's forum are very different.

We're sick of boring dramas. The owner of the forum was not a group gang. If a person is to be banned, the administrator does so. He does it according to the rules of the forum. The judiciary should not be in the hands of ordinary people.

The rules of the forum are not synonymous with good ethical behavior. Scamming is not ethical, but is not banned. There's nothing unethical about making an off-topic post, but doing so is against the rules. If theymos is unhappy with DT1 members tagging people for unethical reasons, then he can re-centralize and hand pick default trust users as he did before, or even scrap it entirely.

It isn't. That's why ordinary members don't have the ability to ban other users. Everyone, however, has the ability to report other users to the moderators, who can then decide on the appropriate punishment for the infraction in question.

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I would assume he is talking about the Fox-gang. After all, Daltonism (after British scientist John Dalton) is another name for red-green color blindness (Deuteranopia), and we all know that foxes posses dichromatic vision, which is analogous to red-green color blindness in humans.

everyday i see something new, i learn

what the "foxpop's merit-cycling club"
How did you win 3056 merit? You told the secret of life? :)
o_e_l_e_o  Date Registered:   October 05, 2017, 01:43:11 PM
The number of merits distributed locally in the last 1 year

and why is everyone here on chipmixer's signature :D

An unusually large percentage of those merits came from me, resulting in accusations of... "impropriety". :-\ Oh, and there have also been accusations of merit cycling, hence the club. Just a little joke poking fun at the conspiracy theorists. :P

A coincidence, I'm sure.

oh joke
a joke of thousands merit :D
a trivial subject! thousands merit, fair enough

when we give 1 merit event
and conspiracy theories are said

Who is foxpop  ???

So you removed parts which you don't like and took things out of context?

Maybe you should learn meaning of words "conspiracy theory", for example, if I say that "I have read interesting article about Volvo diesel engines https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/5286" that would be conspiracy theory.

haha you're so funny, couldn't you find something more creative?
foxpop or foxpup whatever
your boss understand
talk talk talk and slander, scribble, desire to destroy
The interesting thing is that there are no other writers in topic :)

forum administrators should now make a decision
who do you want? gang or individuals?

if they want the gang, power in your hands
or a fair, transparent, independent, equal community forum...

@wolwoo I understand that you are mad that some of your buddies got busted and you don't understand why, but the rules are the rules, and the rules are that ban evasion by using other accounts is punished by permanent ban of all linked accounts..

It is what it is.. I'm sorry if you didn't know that your buddies were ban evaders, or even knew about ban evasion rules, but now you do..

DT members are heavily scrutinized, for good reason, so when an account makes DT it is very likely they will be heavily scrutinized..

Weather or not you like the scrutinizers scrutinizing doesn't matter.. They are going to do it, so I hope you can just learn from this and move on..

Even if you think you were all scrutinized because of racism, or to attack Turks, it doesn't matter.. You will likely eventually be attacked by many users for many reasons that also don't matter.. Your only sure defense is to not have skeletons in the closet attackers can use against you, because they can and they will, for any motive..

I understand, there is money and power here. and someone wants them for themselves. others say eat the crumbs. they are master, we slave!
There's a strong gang here, can't you see it? they even set up a club called "foxpup merit's-cycling club", they make fun of everyone.

It doesn't matter if they are a gang or not.. They can't get you if their is nothing to get you for, is the point..

Yes, they do a good job of making themselves look like a gang even if they are not, and they are very powerful indeed, but the more you look you will see them occasionally disagree with each other and take different sides in some cases, so they aren't a gang all the time..

If the case is clear cut and very easy to decide, hell yes they act like a gang, and yes they will make fun of you or anyone else.. When things are more debatable is when you can see that they aren't actually a gang all the time..

The merit inequality thing is true in my opinion also, maybe they do take advantage of it slightly, but it is theymos's fault for designing the merit system and releasing in the way he has..
The merit system is pretty darn good but is not without its own faults, which directly relates to the DT system via voting power.. No system is perfect..

Their isn't much sense in crying and bitching about it because I doubt that you are going to come up with anything that hasn't been discussed before..
The only thing you can do is play whatever hand you were dealt the best you can and hold yourself to a high standard, and you will be alright..

Fighting them without even knowing what sort of battle you are getting yourself into is a sure way to lose, like this thread, they are not going to be banned and will just laugh at you.. It is a blunder IMO..
Don't let your anger get the best of you, only logic prevails..

Learn how everything works around here and be respectable and you will likely eventually gain mutual respect with them, but all this is doing is hurting your chances of that..

When did I suddenly become everyone's boss? ???

There's only 3 people in the Merit Cycling Club excluding myself; hardly what I'd call a "strong gang". Are they the 3 you were referring to in your original post? In any case, we only make fun where there's already fun to be made. :)

oh thank u very much
someone who finally understood me (+almost everyone in the local area)
I know they will not be banned
but at least they need to stand in front of them
a comedy is played here and everyone plays 3 monkeys
I can write if they can write
I'm just tired of your crap and I wanted to write it down here
I'm relieved :) :D

When we kicked lauda out of a gang, boss. Don't you remember secret voting?  ::)

What are you bubbling about?

From my last few threads and some posts I see:

1) ban evaders
2) scam promoters
3) cheating DT system via alt accounts
4) merit abuse
5) plagiarists
6) users who refuse to accept facts 1-5 and making some crazy conspiracy theories
7) Seems you missed this again


Why are you ignoring this:
?

True. The gang doesn't pay me enough to be a full-time member so I'm just freelancing part-time.


I thought you wanted to get someone banned? Not anymore?

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost certain that my earlier post in this thread was the first time I have weighed in on this drama whatsoever, and I didn't even address the drama or you directly but instead responded to a couple of points made by another user. I'm therefore not sure with what evidence you suggest I'm making fun of you, making you a slave, demanding power, or any of the other claims you have made.

eddie13's post above which I have merited is bang on the money. If you are voted on to DT1, for good or bad then you are going to be subjected to scrutiny. The same is true in public life with politicians, CEOs, royalty, etc. With a position on DT1 then your trust list no longer only makes a difference to you, but now makes a difference to the 2 million or so accounts using default trust. You will be held to higher standard. No one cares if a newbie trusts a bunch of scammers and rule breakers, because only that newbie will see their ratings. If you, as a DT1 member, trust a bunch of scammers and rule breakers, suddenly their ratings become "trusted" for 2 million other accounts.

This scrutiny has happened many times before. A few months ago there was a similar drama with another local section that I am hesitant to mention so it doesn't get brought up again. There has been similar scrutiny of various very established accounts (again, I won't name names), but including very trusted users and staff members. The expectation on the forum generally seems to be that as a DT1 member, you will be mature enough to consider the evidence presented and remove any proven scammers from your trust list. Failure to do so will generally result in you being removed from DT1.

I've essentially stayed out of this drama thus far, because honestly, I'm getting a little tired of all the different but endless drama that goes on in the forum, but in this case I'll agree with the posters above that your current behavior is not winning you any friends.

firstly the title is not about me ;)
I am open to all kinds of investigations provided that they are independent and objective.
In movies there are good cop-bad cop. There's always bad cops here.
the big thieves are stealing the forum, in front of everyone
if you don't like me and my views you can add distrust
those who act strongly here are nothing!
i don't care for any
Satoshi's forum should be a fairer, more impartial and inclusive platform 8)

It's super inclusive. Allows shitposting ban-evading sockpuppeting scammers to do whatever they want here.

pick my words with tweezers

we can discuss everything locally, ok
you are discussing us, ok
but we can't discuss you, NO NO NO ;)

If you are going to make claims like this, then the least you can do is have the decency to name who you are accusing and what you are accusing them of? Who is stealing from the forum, and what are they stealing? Specifics, please.

This forum probably has the laxest rules regarding free speech of any online community I know, even letting scams shill their Ponzi schemes and letting users troll multiple threads with utter nonsense. If that's not impartial, then I don't know what is. There is a very easy to follow list of rules available here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0), and it is entirely fair that everyone is required to follow them equally.

You and Eddie13 raised some excellent points. There is great merit in DT members being subjected to a higher scrutiny.

Problems and as you correctly noted "endless dramas" arise when some public avengers and vindictive members take it upon themselves to use the righteous pretext of "cleaning up DT / Forum / whatever" to pursue their so blatantly bitter and spiteful personal vendettas against certain people or groups of people, in this case the Turkish section; the very mention of this section continues to trigger defense mechanisms and ad hominem attacks amongst some veteran forum members (thus leading to the accusations of Dalton Gang by Wolwoo, although I'm excepting Foxpup, s/he seems completely blameless in this episode)... ;)

I wonder what Darkstar_, who holds the keys to the most coveted bounty in the forum makes of all this. You and some other enlightened members usually exhibit excellent professionalism and would be welcome by most companies to represent their brand; however recent evidence suggests that most rational people would agree the same cannot be said for some other members who are currently wearing the Chipmixer signature...

As a famous Turkish anchorman often says "I'm merely asking"  ;D

I bet a lot of people value a spot on the Chipmixer signature far higher in their priorities than a spot on DT, so I believe it would only make sense the lofty code of conduct expected from DT members is also directed towards some of the deep rooted, calcified Chipmixer campaign (ab)users...

Well, we're discussing... something. It's not really my fault that you started a stupid thread with a stupid title and you can't stay focused on what it is that you're trying to say.

So what do you want to discuss, exactly? Still calling for a ban? Who needs to be banned? Robert, Emmett, and Gratton? Based on which rule?

I'd ask you to read my third paragraph in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209881.msg53362448#msg53362448) again. This scrutiny has happened many times before, involving a variety of individuals and groups, and will happen many times again. It is not unique to the current drama involving Turkish members, nor is it a personal vendetta against Turkish members. The fact that it is being painted as such is a deflection from addressing the issues at hand, namely why DT1 members are including known scammers on their trust lists.

There is no direct link between ChipMixer and DT1. There is an overlap, sure, because both attract established and trustworthy users, but there is no direct correlation. I obviously don't speak for DarkStar_, but if you have concerns about the behavior of anyone wearing the signature, I'm sure he would be receptive to hearing them.

sees everything you want to see very easily.
these merits are walking between there. Someone with three houses rents out and pays the fourth installment. Until I grow 1 account, there develop 10 legendary accounts.
but sorry there deserve :)

if not banned,
use multi accounts as they wish.
draws all accounts to their side in discussions
becomes invincible force, there is no one to oppose

men are muting everyone in the forum
but I don't shut up
I have only one soul, I sacrifice him for the truth that I know.

I would not give up if the whole forum collapses on me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weVh_KolH1E&list=PLShHI8OPQa-ci44tM_asxjREB9Jg7BRg4&index=6
this song is also very beautiful, I do not know why I share :D

Being a DT member means that you are a DT in the whole forum, not just the local section. All DT members have to act according to this. First, attempting to correlate DarkStar_ and ChipMixer with DT is just off-the-mark likewise, DarkStar_ holding the forum funds have no connection with this as well. Him being one of the co-signers of the forum wallet does not mean he manages forum affairs.

As o_e_l_e_o said, DT members are prone to scrutiny. DT members represent the crucial core of the forum. In this case, there are no personal attacks on the Turkish community. This had happened before and is happening again. Nothing new. I have created a topic on the Turkish local boards a month or two ago, regarding that possibly anyone that I talk with there being a multi-account and I still stand behind my words. The amount of multi-accounts there is practically uncountable.

If anyone is in DT, uses multiple accounts, potentially abuses trust and merit system with said accounts... that's enough for anyone. Under scrutiny, someone is eventually going to divulge things.

I congratulate and thank marlboroza for their research. I must admit that I am saddened by what has been transpiring in the past few weeks here.

ok, it was known that this thread suspects will not "ban". (smiley in title)
but if you are accusing someone of something (for example: me being multi) you must have solid proof!
I can open 100 titles and accuse everyone of something. (I have that much capacity)
I can only scribble 100 people with merit statistics.
NOW
either take care of your men here or we will argue forever.
Those who have opened the title without proof must also be given an effective penalty. Accusing me of being multi-times here. I AM NOT
Those who bring the subject of accusatory flag-ban to others (Turkish or not) should be punished for being a detective if they cannot prove it.
I don't want to walk around with my fucking English.

but it doesn't change the fact that there is a gang here. I did everything I could. Since people are satisfied and do not make their voices there is nothing to do. but let them know that every time they attack me they will get the answer.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181603.0


etc etc...

And why do those who accuse me of being a alt always say "otto"? What is similar to otto :D


if there is something you know, let everyone know
do not imply, blame, show evidence
say "see otto = wolwoo"
if not, you are a liar, a fool, a fake 8)

Why is this thread still in Meta then? Move it to Off Topic. And who the fuck are the "suspects"? Shit or get off the pot.


marlboroza provided solid proof in 6 or 7 cases. What was your response to that... let's see:


That's right, a bunch of false equivalences and other assorted fallacies, as well as drama-threats. You even declared "war" IIRC.


"I think" makes it blatantly obvious that it's an opinion. Given how you unprompted jumped to attack marlboroza in that thread, it's not a baseless opinion but you're free to dislike it if you wish. Disliking someone's opinion it's not a good reason to call for a ban. Oh wait, you were joking about that. You can't even articulate who or what this thread is about.

you're the one who sends the shit. You want to bury someone guilty(!) or not guilty. Continue to exploit bitcointalk. when you send everyone, you post on your own.
happiness with your gang :D
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I lock the topic
if you make fake accusations to me, I'il come again ;)

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thread open
Some types have not given up
he's still slandering me  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210195.0



I will fight day and night with those who slander me

It has to be false for slander, you know. Anyway:

https://i.imgur.com/O7uNOtE.png

I hope my source google translated it correctly

i will ask you one question
do you blame me

if you blame me
i don't leave here

Because criminals run, I don't run
fucking translate does not translate full

Jesus... those Turks really got some attention deficit and megalomania just about everywhere you look...

Yeah plz call me a Racist now... you are obviously taking yourself way too important with all those conspiracy theories... time for some popcorn 🍿

some translate you ;) ;D

Yesssss, let´s get racist and facist - I thought I have seen it all but I havent! Lets go!

Man, he is not even capable of writing a single paragraph with sentences normal people understand, lol (and thats not due to the fact he s not that good in English!). And then all that conspiracy bull-shit,  sick of it, really.

Turkish statement
two people talking while the third falls to eat shit.


Did I run away? ;D
Can you prove that I'm "otto"?
if you can't prove, you slander

Croatian expression:

Do I speak Turkish?

you are a waste of time, a lot of demagoguery
in vain i'm talking to you here