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Fourth, there’s no reason to believe that Trump’s comments on Sunday were anything more than his typical bullshitting: He knew the storm was going to hit the South, he knows Alabama is a southern state, and it’s important to him electorally, so he rambled on. While there’s no reason to believe the initial statement was anything other than an unintentional error, it’s unclear at this point whether Trump now believes his own lie or recognizes it and just won’t let go. It’s also unclear which would be worse.

I posted about this in another thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192107.msg53367764#msg53367764).

The continuous lying is intentional, and the crucial factor is the speed with which he can churn out new lies. With each new lie, the last one gets submerged before there is a chance for it to be investigated and debunked. Each outrageous headline gets replaced by a new one faster than you can say 'WTF?'. There is no time to prove it's a lie before the next one is upon us. This is how he stays ahead and on top.

Ok this is so purely factual that even the biggest Trumptards won't be able to deny it. I'm still putting it in self mod because you never know what TECSHARE is able of though...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/politics/donald-trump-category-5-hurricane-dorian/index.html

So in a speech Trump says that he's not even sure that he heard about a category 5 hurricane like the Dorian one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVB6fqr4SFI

Ok, why not? After all you don't have to be a scientist to be POTUS and it's a good way to say "wahou it's an unexpected unprecedented event that we have to deal with" so why not.

The problem is that he said THE EXACT SAME THING ALREADY THREE TIMES!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVCka26BTE

He said exactly that already for the 3 other category 5 that have hit USA while he was in office.

So that's at least 3 times where the guy is lying to his whole country. But why?

My theory here is that he'd rather appear as a moron that admit that such extreme meteorological events are happening more and more which could mean that climate change might not be a Chinese invention.

You see another reason why he would be lying in such obvious way?

Have you ever walked around a place a hurricane has hit a few days later? I can totally imagine a person saying those sorts of things over and over.

Talk like "Such extreme meteorological events..." is more like academic eggheads prattling.

That COULD be an explanation if he was giving an interview from where the hurricane hit, or right after visiting the place. Some kind of emotional mistake yeah.

But I think there is one speech where he does it, so ok let's say that was emotion. And the 7 other times? When he talks about it days if not weeks after the event in a big comfy chair? He's still emotional? Trump is so sensitive and emotional that 3 weeks after the disaster he still doesn't really control what he says?

Damn, not sure that's better...

Let me repeat, have you yourself ever walked through a hurricane devastated area?

No. How is it relevant though?

But everyone can agree that Trump just says and blurts things pretty much on the moment, often without his own best interest and almost like he doesn't care about making mistakes.

Not sure that's lying, more just like the way he is.

I don't know. I still think my explanation above is plausible, but I can certainly concede that it might just be that the rise of social media and 24 hours news culture has created a climate where people such as Trump (or in the UK the eerily similar Boris Johnson) will just rise to the top. I don't think either Trump or Johnson is particularly intelligent, so perhaps it's not all orchestrated and we are in fact in an era where the ego-maniac attention-seeking bullshitting sociopaths reign supreme.

The old saying is that we get the politicians we deserve; perhaps it is true that the society we have created is one where these people represent the pinnacle, as horrific as is sounds.

(re bolded) Unrelated to this thread, last couple weeks I have been wondering about the extent of structural modifications to cultural and social discourse that may occur as a result of the sort of things that twitter does. Seems to be mostly changes in bad directions...

RE (I don't think either Trump or Johnson is particularly intelligent) my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement. I have worked with several people who were similar, that's why I put it this way.

Here's some evidence which I think backs up my previous point (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210718.msg53386106#msg53386106) about intentionality and the speed with which each lie is replaced by a new one. It's interesting how the lies peak at just about the time of the 2018 mid-terms - whether this is just related to increased media exposure at that time is difficult to say, but it's an interesting coincidence at least.
(BTW I think the x-axis extends past the end of the data - no-one is suggesting that he stopped lying entirely in June! )


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/2017-_Donald_Trump_-_graph_-_false_or_misleading_claims.png

Here's some evidence which I think backs up my previous point (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210718.msg53386106#msg53386106) about intentionality and the speed with which each lie is replaced by a new one. It's interesting how the lies peak at just about the time of the 2018 mid-terms....

my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement.

Where's the high achievement? Being born into wealth in a plutocratic society qualifies you to be president (or prime minister in the UK, hello Boris Johnson). It's not a meritocracy, you don't get to run the country by being the best person to run the country.

Trump is all bluster and front, with nothing behind it. There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation.

And as a businessman, his "defence" against the claim that he lost more money than any other US citizen in history (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html) is that it was just for tax purposes. Brilliant. So defrauding the country of $1b makes you the perfect person to run that country...

Where's the high achievement? Being born into wealth in a plutocratic society qualifies you to be president (or prime minister in the UK, hello Boris Johnson). It's not a meritocracy, you don't get to run the country by being the best person to run the country.

Trump is all bluster and front, with nothing behind it. There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation.

And as a businessman, his "defence" against the claim that he lost more money than any other US citizen in history (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html) is that it was just for tax purposes. Brilliant. So defrauding the country of $1b makes you the perfect person to run that country...

Besides, you have been sitting in on his cabinet meetings, right? So you know the info he gleans from around the world, and the strategic info guidance he gets from other people who are way smarter than he, or you, or me, right?

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Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation."

Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying?

Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe.

No, of course not. And I'm not disputing that he has extremely competent advisors who are much more intelligent than I am, and are supreme political strategists. The Trump phenomenon can't be taken in isolation however, here in the UK we have Boris Johnson, who is very much a Trump-lite, cast in a very similar mould. Trump isn't a maverick one-off, he's representative of a developing trend. In many areas the US leads and the rest of the world follows a few years later. This is think is one of those examples.

The criminal coup scenario I warned you about has finally arrived. A scheme is now active to convict Trump and remove V.P. Mike Pence from power, then install Nancy Pelosi as president. Once there, she will appoint Hillary Clinton as her V.P. with no resistance from the Senate, then she will resign, making Hillary Clinton the president.

I warned about this exact scenario in an earlier article entitled, "It's ON: The deep state plot to install Hillary Clinton as PRESIDENT this year, bypassing elections altogether."

As many Natural News have come to realize, I have excellent sources deep inside the bureaucracy, and they fill me in on what's going down. That's the only way I was able to write the following words over two months ago, almost word-for-word what we just witnessed with the fake impeachment by the House:

The deep state Democrats (now a monolithic terrorist network that's trying to take down America) have a plan in place to install Hillary Clinton as President of the United States before the end of this year.

No, of course not. And I'm not disputing that he has extremely competent advisors who are much more intelligent than I am, and are supreme political strategists. The Trump phenomenon can't be taken in isolation however, here in the UK we have Boris Johnson, who is very much a Trump-lite, cast in a very similar mould. Trump isn't a maverick one-off, he's representative of a developing trend. In many areas the US leads and the rest of the world follows a few years later. This is think is one of those examples.

Yes, point conceded. The petulant child bit is how he appears to me, appreciate he does not appear that way to everyone, or else he would never have got elected. I will stop the bitching and griping, let's get back to the subject of how he lies without caring about being perceived as a liar.

RE this point, we are not exactly in disagreement. I just view there as being more than one dimension to personality excepting in people who are one dimensional. Referring back to a prior post, ... my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement. I have worked with several people who were similar, that's why I put it this way.

He is certainly not the average politician really not a politician at all. On the subject of lying, though, which is interesting. During the debates he scolded those he was up against, both Dem and Rep if I recall correctly, as being "Lying politicians." He said he was making some promises and he was going to keep them. Now, Hillary had been caught in some pretty serious lies on Fast and Furious, and on Bengazi and other matters. But Trump seemed to zero in on the "big social program of change" as a characteristic lie of the aspiring politician.

Now I would say this, that a great many people think he delivered on his campaign promises or where he has not, it is due to opposing forces stalling his agenda. I ask this, on these matters which he said he was running on and made more or less his platform, is he a liar?

....The extreme right-wing often claims to represent the people against the corrupt politicians, and at the same time implement policies to increase wealth inequality. People across the world increasingly feel disenfranchised, but they don't elect left-wing politicians (Bernie Sanders etc) who would really represent the interests of ordinary people, instead what we have is demonisation of the left by the moneyed elite, and the right stay in power. ...

American jews have traditionally been > 90% Democrat, but now the party seems to have turned against them, embracing anti-semitism. American blacks have been > 90% democrat but now much less. Trump made them a couple promises and kept them.

For example, Obama's regime handled immigration from the South much as Trump has, but now the American left advocates letting them all in. Let the disaster that was seen in Europe repeat itself here. Where did that come from? That wasn't the traditional American Left.

“I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody I know. It’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous — if you’re into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere.”

“You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything — right?”

Let's have a look at the latest outburst of Don Quixote Trump. What do we think? Truth or lies? If lies, then ad-libbed, off-the-cuff stuff, or carefully choreographed? Or a bit of both - the theme carefully prepared and then communicated in his standard conversational style?

_{https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/23/president-trump-lashes-out-an-old-enemy-windmills}

I may (do) think that he's not particularly intelligent, but he's not an idiot, he's well aware that renewables have a tiny carbon footprint compared to fossil fuels, and his positioning here seems quite skilful. 'We have a world', 'Our air, their air', even the word 'spewing' that he uses 3 times in just this segment, very evocative and emotive. So whether this is ad-libbed or not, his message - although I disagree with it profoundly - is communicated perfectly here. He is one of us, fighting the establishment powers, standing up for our rights against the massively polluting renewable energy companies. Of course it's all nonsense, lies of almost breathtaking audacity, but he's good at communicating exactly what he wants to communicate to his target audience. He's also thrown in a bit about it being un-American to support windmills, because if you do, you're not supporting American industry, but rather America's enemies, both current and historic 'They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none'. Barely a word is wasted here. Windmills are 'very expensive'. Even 'the world is tiny compared to the universe', he's evoking images of vulnerability, as if he's deeply concerned about our helpless little planet.

I despise him, and think that he sounds like a fool, but I can't deny there is a lot of skill in this speech. How much is his and how much is at least loosely scripted I couldn't say, but it's impressive nevertheless.
The syntax and grammar are appalling 'I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody', 'they’re manufactured tremendous [...] fumes', and some of it invites ridicule 'I never understood wind', 'You know we have a world, right?' ... but beneath this is a well-targeted and skilfully delivered message.
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Ok this is so purely factual that even the biggest Trumptards won't be able to deny it. I'm still putting it in self mod because you never know what TECSHARE is able of though...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/politics/donald-trump-category-5-hurricane-dorian/index.html

So in a speech Trump says that he's not even sure that he heard about a category 5 hurricane like the Dorian one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVB6fqr4SFI

Ok, why not? After all you don't have to be a scientist to be POTUS and it's a good way to say "wahou it's an unexpected unprecedented event that we have to deal with" so why not.

The problem is that he said THE EXACT SAME THING ALREADY THREE TIMES!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVCka26BTE

He said exactly that already for the 3 other category 5 that have hit USA while he was in office.

So that's at least 3 times where the guy is lying to his whole country. But why?

My theory here is that he'd rather appear as a moron that admit that such extreme meteorological events are happening more and more which could mean that climate change might not be a Chinese invention.

You see another reason why he would be lying in such obvious way?

I read that article, and I'm seriously not impressed with it's arguments or logic. Here are a couple of examples.

Mr. Trump was able to lose all that money without facing the usual consequences — such as a steep drop in his standard of living — in part because most of it belonged to others, to the banks and bond investors who had supplied the cash to fuel his acquisitions. ...

Well Duh... Then it wasn't his losses! Those losses were passed through to the investors. An investor group shares in profits and in losses.

Some fraction of that ocean of red ink represented depreciation on Mr. Trump’s real estate. One of the most valuable special benefits in the tax code, depreciation lets owners of commercial real estate write down the cost of their buildings.

Depreciation is taken by everyone who has businesses. Today on commercial, it's the least lenient. Straight line for 37 years, less than 3% per year. Granted, this article goes way back and tax law may have been different.

Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation."

Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying?

Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe.

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Oh yeah, not saying the guy who wrote the article is smart in the least. Just kinda agreeing with the fact that Trump lies (and other politicians) that's just a fact.

But yeah, you're without a doubt right on the depreciation thing. All businesses take it, twas a bit different back then and I think they did change it in 2004 -- making what Trump and other business owners did at the time impossible. Though deprecation still happens.