Trump is lying without giving a fuck, why?

[Cnut237]

Besides, you have been sitting in on his cabinet meetings, right? So you know the info he gleans from around the world, and the strategic info guidance he gets from other people who are way smarter than he, or you, or me, right?

No, of course not. And I'm not disputing that he has extremely competent advisors who are much more intelligent than I am, and are supreme political strategists. The Trump phenomenon can't be taken in isolation however, here in the UK we have Boris Johnson, who is very much a Trump-lite, cast in a very similar mould. Trump isn't a maverick one-off, he's representative of a developing trend. In many areas the US leads and the rest of the world follows a few years later. This is think is one of those examples.

Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation."

Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying?

Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe.

Yes, point conceded. The petulant child bit is how he appears to me, appreciate he does not appear that way to everyone, or else he would never have got elected. I will stop the bitching and griping, let's get back to the subject of how he lies without caring about being perceived as a liar.

[BADecker]

Besides, you have been sitting in on his cabinet meetings, right? So you know the info he gleans from around the world, and the strategic info guidance he gets from other people who are way smarter than he, or you, or me, right?

No, of course not. And I'm not disputing that he has extremely competent advisors who are much more intelligent than I am, and are supreme political strategists. The Trump phenomenon can't be taken in isolation however, here in the UK we have Boris Johnson, who is very much a Trump-lite, cast in a very similar mould. Trump isn't a maverick one-off, he's representative of a developing trend. In many areas the US leads and the rest of the world follows a few years later. This is think is one of those examples.

That's the point. The trend will keep going even if the Dems manage to successfully fake the impeachment so much so that the nation believes them.


Do you believe me now? Democrats actively rolling out scheme to remove VP Mike Pence so they can install Nancy Pelosi, then Hillary Clinton as President… the CRIMINAL COUP IS HERE

The criminal coup scenario I warned you about has finally arrived. A scheme is now active to convict Trump and remove V.P. Mike Pence from power, then install Nancy Pelosi as president. Once there, she will appoint Hillary Clinton as her V.P. with no resistance from the Senate, then she will resign, making Hillary Clinton the president.

I warned about this exact scenario in an earlier article entitled, "It's ON: The deep state plot to install Hillary Clinton as PRESIDENT this year, bypassing elections altogether."

As many Natural News have come to realize, I have excellent sources deep inside the bureaucracy, and they fill me in on what's going down. That's the only way I was able to write the following words over two months ago, almost word-for-word what we just witnessed with the fake impeachment by the House:

The deep state Democrats (now a monolithic terrorist network that's trying to take down America) have a plan in place to install Hillary Clinton as President of the United States before the end of this year.

[Spendulus]

Besides, you have been sitting in on his cabinet meetings, right? So you know the info he gleans from around the world, and the strategic info guidance he gets from other people who are way smarter than he, or you, or me, right?

No, of course not. And I'm not disputing that he has extremely competent advisors who are much more intelligent than I am, and are supreme political strategists. The Trump phenomenon can't be taken in isolation however, here in the UK we have Boris Johnson, who is very much a Trump-lite, cast in a very similar mould. Trump isn't a maverick one-off, he's representative of a developing trend. In many areas the US leads and the rest of the world follows a few years later. This is think is one of those examples.

Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation."

Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying?

Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe.

Yes, point conceded. The petulant child bit is how he appears to me, appreciate he does not appear that way to everyone, or else he would never have got elected. I will stop the bitching and griping, let's get back to the subject of how he lies without caring about being perceived as a liar.

RE this point, we are not exactly in disagreement. I just view there as being more than one dimension to personality excepting in people who are one dimensional. Referring back to a prior post, ... my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement. I have worked with several people who were similar, that's why I put it this way.

He is certainly not the average politician really not a politician at all. On the subject of lying, though, which is interesting. During the debates he scolded those he was up against, both Dem and Rep if I recall correctly, as being "Lying politicians." He said he was making some promises and he was going to keep them. Now, Hillary had been caught in some pretty serious lies on Fast and Furious, and on Bengazi and other matters. But Trump seemed to zero in on the "big social program of change" as a characteristic lie of the aspiring politician.

Now I would say this, that a great many people think he delivered on his campaign promises or where he has not, it is due to opposing forces stalling his agenda. I ask this, on these matters which he said he was running on and made more or less his platform, is he a liar? I am NOT certain that left oriented media will say no, and right oriented media will say yes on this. At least to a certain extent this is fact, right?

Here's NPR's take on the matter.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/20/686531523/progress-report-president-trumps-campaign-promises-2-years-later

Here's the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

Maybe those are somewhat unbiased viewpoints?

[KingScorpio]

no one will be happy with someone else that has power, if trump would be a leguan presidant changing his skin color every day, people would still be unhappy.

[Cnut237]

RE this point, we are not exactly in disagreement. I just view there as being more than one dimension to personality excepting in people who are one dimensional. Referring back to a prior post, ... my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement. I have worked with several people who were similar, that's why I put it this way.

He is certainly not the average politician really not a politician at all. On the subject of lying, though, which is interesting. During the debates he scolded those he was up against, both Dem and Rep if I recall correctly, as being "Lying politicians." He said he was making some promises and he was going to keep them. Now, Hillary had been caught in some pretty serious lies on Fast and Furious, and on Bengazi and other matters. But Trump seemed to zero in on the "big social program of change" as a characteristic lie of the aspiring politician.

Taken in isolation, I can see how the autistic genius thing might be the case. But it's not isolated; the rise of Trump is being mirrored across the world - Boris Johnson here in the UK behaves in an extremely similar way to Trump, and in a way that is unprecedented amongst UK leaders: He couldn't care less about his lies. He governs largely through a series of outrageous soundbites that appeal to the prejudices of ordinary people - xenophobia being the most common theme - muslim women look like "letterboxes" and "bank robbers" (some more examples here, very similar to Trump).

It's very unlikely they are both near-autistic geniuses. I think it's more likely the rise of the right-wing populist strongman (Bolsonaro, Modi, Erdogan, Duterte et al). The extreme right-wing often claims to represent the people against the corrupt politicians, and at the same time implement policies to increase wealth inequality. People across the world increasingly feel disenfranchised, but they don't elect left-wing politicians (Bernie Sanders etc) who would really represent the interests of ordinary people, instead what we have is demonisation of the left by the moneyed elite, and the right stay in power. They can't just have more of the same though, they need someone who is a bit of an outsider, who can convincingly be portrayed as a maverick fighting the system. This I think is why the extremists are taking power.

Now I would say this, that a great many people think he delivered on his campaign promises or where he has not, it is due to opposing forces stalling his agenda. I ask this, on these matters which he said he was running on and made more or less his platform, is he a liar?

He's certainly followed through on some of the promises. Others he has certainly been blocked on. Others, such as "lock her up", I would argue he never had any intention of following through on.

[Spendulus]

....The extreme right-wing often claims to represent the people against the corrupt politicians, and at the same time implement policies to increase wealth inequality. People across the world increasingly feel disenfranchised, but they don't elect left-wing politicians (Bernie Sanders etc) who would really represent the interests of ordinary people, instead what we have is demonisation of the left by the moneyed elite, and the right stay in power. ...

Here in the USA it is different than what you describe. It is the "moneyed elite of the left" who spew socialist schemes but seem to only seek more power and give the people little or nothing they promised.

Not sure Trump is "right wing" at all, by the way. Except that in an odd fashion, the left has moved much farther to the left in the last ten years.

American jews have traditionally been > 90% Democrat, but now the party seems to have turned against them, embracing anti-semitism. American blacks have been > 90% democrat but now much less. Trump made them a couple promises and kept them.

For example, Obama's regime handled immigration from the South much as Trump has, but now the American left advocates letting them all in. Let the disaster that was seen in Europe repeat itself here. Where did that come from? That wasn't the traditional American Left.

[KingScorpio]

American jews have traditionally been > 90% Democrat, but now the party seems to have turned against them, embracing anti-semitism. American blacks have been > 90% democrat but now much less. Trump made them a couple promises and kept them.

For example, Obama's regime handled immigration from the South much as Trump has, but now the American left advocates letting them all in. Let the disaster that was seen in Europe repeat itself here. Where did that come from? That wasn't the traditional American Left.

that's always the same, with the democrats, they allways become sooner or later racist, because they function populistically, they are looking to mobilise identity groups,

that's how the democrats become recently anti white, and allied themselves with the entire greed of the rest of the world in order to enslave and eat off all infrastructure in america, its the same issue in europe, with those lefties that are even called communists, although they are so extremely destructive for the infrastructure and the economy.

[Cnut237]

Let's have a look at the latest outburst of Don Quixote Trump. What do we think? Truth or lies? If lies, then ad-libbed, off-the-cuff stuff, or carefully choreographed? Or a bit of both - the theme carefully prepared and then communicated in his standard conversational style?

“I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody I know. It’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous — if you’re into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere.”

“You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything — right?”

_{https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/23/president-trump-lashes-out-an-old-enemy-windmills}

I may (do) think that he's not particularly intelligent, but he's not an idiot, he's well aware that renewables have a tiny carbon footprint compared to fossil fuels, and his positioning here seems quite skilful. 'We have a world', 'Our air, their air', even the word 'spewing' that he uses 3 times in just this segment, very evocative and emotive. So whether this is ad-libbed or not, his message - although I disagree with it profoundly - is communicated perfectly here. He is one of us, fighting the establishment powers, standing up for our rights against the massively polluting renewable energy companies. Of course it's all nonsense, lies of almost breathtaking audacity, but he's good at communicating exactly what he wants to communicate to his target audience. He's also thrown in a bit about it being un-American to support windmills, because if you do, you're not supporting American industry, but rather America's enemies, both current and historic 'They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none'. Barely a word is wasted here. Windmills are 'very expensive'. Even 'the world is tiny compared to the universe', he's evoking images of vulnerability, as if he's deeply concerned about our helpless little planet.

I despise him, and think that he sounds like a fool, but I can't deny there is a lot of skill in this speech. How much is his and how much is at least loosely scripted I couldn't say, but it's impressive nevertheless.
The syntax and grammar are appalling 'I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody', 'they’re manufactured tremendous [...] fumes', and some of it invites ridicule 'I never understood wind', 'You know we have a world, right?' ... but beneath this is a well-targeted and skilfully delivered message.

[Spendulus]

Let's have a look at the latest outburst of Don Quixote Trump. What do we think? Truth or lies? If lies, then ad-libbed, off-the-cuff stuff, or carefully choreographed? Or a bit of both - the theme carefully prepared and then communicated in his standard conversational style?

“I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody I know. It’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous — if you’re into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere.”

“You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything — right?”

_{https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/23/president-trump-lashes-out-an-old-enemy-windmills}

I may (do) think that he's not particularly intelligent, but he's not an idiot, he's well aware that renewables have a tiny carbon footprint compared to fossil fuels, and his positioning here seems quite skilful. 'We have a world', 'Our air, their air', even the word 'spewing' that he uses 3 times in just this segment, very evocative and emotive. So whether this is ad-libbed or not, his message - although I disagree with it profoundly - is communicated perfectly here. He is one of us, fighting the establishment powers, standing up for our rights against the massively polluting renewable energy companies. Of course it's all nonsense, lies of almost breathtaking audacity, but he's good at communicating exactly what he wants to communicate to his target audience. He's also thrown in a bit about it being un-American to support windmills, because if you do, you're not supporting American industry, but rather America's enemies, both current and historic 'They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none'. Barely a word is wasted here. Windmills are 'very expensive'. Even 'the world is tiny compared to the universe', he's evoking images of vulnerability, as if he's deeply concerned about our helpless little planet.

I despise him, and think that he sounds like a fool, but I can't deny there is a lot of skill in this speech. How much is his and how much is at least loosely scripted I couldn't say, but it's impressive nevertheless.
The syntax and grammar are appalling 'I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody', 'they’re manufactured tremendous [...] fumes', and some of it invites ridicule 'I never understood wind', 'You know we have a world, right?' ... but beneath this is a well-targeted and skilfully delivered message.
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lol, that is a perfect example of Trump grammar and syntax. Reality is, though, that it is neither truth nor lies. It's Trump talking. Sort of a stream of consciousness, not scripted.

Let me warn you though, that there is a common error that Trump haters make, and that is to hear things like this and translate to "He's stupid."

My advice would be to start with the line "I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody", and presume that is completely accurate. EG he knows more than you or I about them. On a classroom test on windmill technology he'd get high 90s. That's a start...

Then he talks about what he knows with this crazy insane grammar and drives people nuts. I don't know why some people take it all very seriously and I find it comical. I do know this is part of what causes him to win time after time. People underestimate him as stupid, then they blunder, then he aces them easily.

[KingScorpio]

Ok this is so purely factual that even the biggest Trumptards won't be able to deny it. I'm still putting it in self mod because you never know what TECSHARE is able of though...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/01/politics/donald-trump-category-5-hurricane-dorian/index.html

So in a speech Trump says that he's not even sure that he heard about a category 5 hurricane like the Dorian one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVB6fqr4SFI

Ok, why not? After all you don't have to be a scientist to be POTUS and it's a good way to say "wahou it's an unexpected unprecedented event that we have to deal with" so why not.

The problem is that he said THE EXACT SAME THING ALREADY THREE TIMES!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVCka26BTE

He said exactly that already for the 3 other category 5 that have hit USA while he was in office.

So that's at least 3 times where the guy is lying to his whole country. But why?

My theory here is that he'd rather appear as a moron that admit that such extreme meteorological events are happening more and more which could mean that climate change might not be a Chinese invention.

You see another reason why he would be lying in such obvious way?

trump is not a perfectly functioning robot, he is a human being he forgets some things or becomes unsure about some things, thats all. you have to live with that. people are never perfect also not, those highly in power, chinese emperor also wasn't perfect, but he payed all his servants to let his entire people believe that stuf about him and recognized foreigners on not being impressed with meeting him.

[squatz1]

my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement.

Where's the high achievement? Being born into wealth in a plutocratic society qualifies you to be president (or prime minister in the UK, hello Boris Johnson). It's not a meritocracy, you don't get to run the country by being the best person to run the country.

Trump is all bluster and front, with nothing behind it. There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation.

And as a businessman, his "defence" against the claim that he lost more money than any other US citizen in history is that it was just for tax purposes. Brilliant. So defrauding the country of $1b makes you the perfect person to run that country...

I read that article, and I'm seriously not impressed with it's arguments or logic. Here are a couple of examples.

Mr. Trump was able to lose all that money without facing the usual consequences — such as a steep drop in his standard of living — in part because most of it belonged to others, to the banks and bond investors who had supplied the cash to fuel his acquisitions. ...

Well Duh... Then it wasn't his losses! Those losses were passed through to the investors. An investor group shares in profits and in losses.

Some fraction of that ocean of red ink represented depreciation on Mr. Trump’s real estate. One of the most valuable special benefits in the tax code, depreciation lets owners of commercial real estate write down the cost of their buildings.

Depreciation is taken by everyone who has businesses. Today on commercial, it's the least lenient. Straight line for 37 years, less than 3% per year. Granted, this article goes way back and tax law may have been different.

Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation."

Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying?

Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe.

Oh yeah, not saying the guy who wrote the article is smart in the least. Just kinda agreeing with the fact that Trump lies (and other politicians) that's just a fact.

But yeah, you're without a doubt right on the depreciation thing. All businesses take it, twas a bit different back then and I think they did change it in 2004 -- making what Trump and other business owners did at the time impossible. Though deprecation still happens.

[Spendulus]

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Oh yeah, not saying the guy who wrote the article is smart in the least. Just kinda agreeing with the fact that Trump lies (and other politicians) that's just a fact.

But yeah, you're without a doubt right on the depreciation thing. All businesses take it, twas a bit different back then and I think they did change it in 2004 -- making what Trump and other business owners did at the time impossible. Though deprecation still happens.

Depreciation is not an evil thing, which is what the writer tried to assert. That's ridiculous. When you do a business tax schedule, you list your income items, then your expense items. Depreciation is an expense item, period.

It's simply an attempt made in tax law to recognize that assets age and wind up worth little or nothing. Some age to zero on a 5 or 7 year schedule, but commercial real estate is 37 years. If you sell the asset for more than it's book (depreciated) value, then that excess is recaptured and you pay tax on it. If it's real estate, you will at that time pay A LOT. So although the government allows depreciation, due to its printing money, money is worth less, and in $$$, the property "appreciates," then on a sale, you get taxed and the government makes out like a bandit.

But the guy that wrote the article was a complete idiot.

I don't know anyone that doesn't have flaws, often serious flaws. We're all imperfect. Yes it shows in Trump. Other politicians spend their lives covering up flaws, becoming actors. He doesn't. Some see bad in this, others see good.

[BADecker]

Of course Trump is lying! He's lying in wait, to pounce on his victims, the Democrats, when they least expect it.