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Title: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: Bagaji on December 19, 2019, 08:05:06 PM Will the United States of America president Donald Trump scale through this impeachment at the Senate? Some people are of the believe that the Senate will upturn the impeachment decision by the National Assembly. Do you agree with them?
Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BADecker on December 20, 2019, 12:52:42 AM Quote from: https://www.bustle.com/p/can-the-senate-stop-impeachment-trump-cant-be-ousted-by-the-house-18807063 So, technically the Senate can't stop the House from moving forward with the impeachment process steps. It can, however, stop a president from being convicted and removed from office. In fact, in several instances throughout history, American presidents have been impeached by the House, but not convicted by the Senate — meaning they remained in office. Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). 8) Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: Mometaskers on December 20, 2019, 04:08:36 AM Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). And yet the House went with it knowing it'll likely fail. Maybe that's why many people believe that they are just doing this for media coverage (which they already have much of). Just keep making accusations without having to prove them, what's important is that the accusations stick into people's minds. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: Bagaji on December 20, 2019, 09:51:00 AM Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). And yet the House went with it knowing it'll likely fail. Maybe that's why many people believe that they are just doing this for media coverage (which they already have much of). Just keep making accusations without having to prove them, what's important is that the accusations stick into people's minds. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: audaciousbeing on December 20, 2019, 02:20:36 PM Will the United States of America president Donald Trump scale through this impeachment at the Senate? Some people are of the believe that the Senate will upturn the impeachment decision by the National Assembly. Do you agree with them? Just like I have said in my earlier post, they will continue to vote along party line whether the accused is guilty or not. The Democrats would believe that they have done the right thing while the Republicans would continue to convince themselves that its a pure witch hunt and its a ploy for the Democrats to take over power in 2020 believing that Mike Pence who would become the president should Trump leaves might not be able to give them the grasp of power till 2024. The shame and joke is actually on the analysts and the reporters who made it their life mission to ensure that the reportage did not stop and continue to make everything news. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BADecker on December 20, 2019, 04:40:22 PM Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). And yet the House went with it knowing it'll likely fail. Maybe that's why many people believe that they are just doing this for media coverage (which they already have much of). Just keep making accusations without having to prove them, what's important is that the accusations stick into people's minds. My reply is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210855.msg53397192#msg53397192. 8) Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: Bagaji on December 20, 2019, 08:33:51 PM Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). And yet the House went with it knowing it'll likely fail. Maybe that's why many people believe that they are just doing this for media coverage (which they already have much of). Just keep making accusations without having to prove them, what's important is that the accusations stick into people's minds. My reply is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210855.msg53397192#msg53397192. 8) Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BADecker on December 23, 2019, 10:18:25 PM It doesn't matter what the Senate does, or if Trump gets impeached or not.
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/522-1223050335-impeachmas-not.jpg Trump Has Quietly Appointed 25% Of Circuit Court Judges As Smug Liberals Celebrate 'Merry Impeachmas' (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/273699-2019-12-23-trump-has-quietly-appointed-25-of-circuit-court-judges-as.htm) Even if 20 GOP Senators somehow flipped on Trump and he was removed from office, he's already appointed 25% of sitting US circuit court judges, not to mention given us a conservative Supreme Court - after Senate Republicans stalled in 2016 on confirming Obama's choice to replace the late justice Antonin Scalia, Merrick Garland. According to the Washington Post: Trump nominees make up 1 in 4 U.S. circuit court judges. Two of his picks sit on the Supreme Court. And this past week, as the House voted to impeach the president, the Republican-led Senate confirmed an additional 13 district court judges. In total, Trump has installed 187 judges to the federal bench. -Washington Post And as the Post notes, "Trump's mark on the judiciary is already having far-reaching effects on legislation and liberal priorities." No president has done more to reshape the Judiciary than Trump: Tate https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bXpdM0lTHAo/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLBlw3nXiO9RAiyJT7pUhMoMe67Kxg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXpdM0lTHAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXpdM0lTHAo) 8) Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: alexkamillakroy on December 24, 2019, 01:27:23 AM Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). And yet the House went with it knowing it'll likely fail. Maybe that's why many people believe that they are just doing this for media coverage (which they already have much of). Just keep making accusations without having to prove them, what's important is that the accusations stick into people's minds. Exactly this. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: tsaroz on December 24, 2019, 06:39:32 AM Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). And yet the House went with it knowing it'll likely fail. Maybe that's why many people believe that they are just doing this for media coverage (which they already have much of). Just keep making accusations without having to prove them, what's important is that the accusations stick into people's minds. Exactly this. I'm afraid this could backfire democrats in the 2020 elections. And if Donald Trump wins the Office and Republican both senate and house, it could make him more overconfident and could weaken the democratic establishment. It's good to have some power to check others. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: Cnut237 on December 24, 2019, 09:15:39 AM I'm afraid this could backfire democrats in the 2020 elections. Absolutely agree. A lot of Donald Trump's power is based on him positioning himself as the 'anti-establishment' candidate, standing up for the regular man-in-the-street against the mighty powers that control the economy. Regardless of what Trump's real position and motivation is, the risk remains that the impeachment process simply entrenches Trump's existing support, and even draws in new voters to his 'anti-establishment' cause. The question of whether a billionaire who literally has a tower of gold can be 'anti-establishment' is beside the point... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KouKXa4pw3Y/hqdefault.jpg Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: squatz1 on December 25, 2019, 01:19:35 AM Just to explain a few things about impeachment for a second. Donald Trump has already been impeached by the House, he has been impeached and he is the 3rd president to be impeached by the House of Representatives.
The Senate will be able to vote on the next portion of things in this process, which is if Donald Trump is guilty of what is he is alleged to be guilty of. Impeachment is pretty much being indicted - It doesn't mean any more then the Grand Jury thinking they have enough evidence to proceed (the grand jury in this case being the members of the House instead of the jury in a regular case) So the Senate can't stop Trump from being impeached, but they can change the outcome of Donald Trump being found guilty. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: johnwest on December 25, 2019, 04:51:03 PM Just to explain a few things about impeachment for a second. Donald Trump has already been impeached by the House, he has been impeached and he is the 3rd president to be impeached by the House of Representatives. The Senate will be able to vote on the next portion of things in this process, which is if Donald Trump is guilty of what is he is alleged to be guilty of. Impeachment is pretty much being indicted - It doesn't mean any more then the Grand Jury thinking they have enough evidence to proceed (the grand jury in this case being the members of the House instead of the jury in a regular case) So the Senate can't stop Trump from being impeached, but they can change the outcome of Donald Trump being found guilty. And what if they vote that he is not guilty..? Mitch will not allow the Senate to impeach him. Also this will definitely backfire on Democrats in the election. Donald may get reelected when he is not impeached. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: rosezionjohn on December 25, 2019, 05:12:40 PM And what if they vote that he is not guilty..? Whether or not the Senate finds him guilty of the charges, the fact that Donald Trump was impeached remains. Quote Donald may get reelected when he is not impeached. He's been impeached. He may get reelected in 2020 as I don't think the democrats have enough number in the Senate to convict President Trump. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: enhu on December 25, 2019, 05:26:10 PM And what if they vote that he is not guilty..? Whether or not the Senate finds him guilty of the charges, the fact that Donald Trump was impeached remains. Quote Donald may get reelected when he is not impeached. He's been impeached. He may get reelected in 2020 as I don't think the democrats have enough number in the Senate to convict President Trump. Not impeached but there will be impeachment proceedings in the house. This stunts of the demo will really made them lose in the next election, the dominant rep will crush them all to finally make it peace. Trump is doing good for the US, he made it great as he said and so people likes him. The demo just react in a way they intend to but this will not succeed as its decided by the numbers. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: johnwest on December 25, 2019, 05:38:51 PM And what if they vote that he is not guilty..? Whether or not the Senate finds him guilty of the charges, the fact that Donald Trump was impeached remains. Quote Donald may get reelected when he is not impeached. He's been impeached. He may get reelected in 2020 as I don't think the democrats have enough number in the Senate to convict President Trump. Not impeached but there will be impeachment proceedings in the house. I too thought this is the real procedure. He might be impeached in the house but he will be in the office until his term ends and then he will be reelected. Whether he did well for the USA or not is a completely different story. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BADecker on December 25, 2019, 09:18:19 PM Well, folks, it didn't work the first time... so, let's do it again!
House Democrats Mull Second Impeachment (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/273806-2019-12-24-house-democrats-mull-second-impeachment.htm) In a Monday court filing reported by Politico, House Counsel Douglas Letter argued that they still need testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn, which may uncover new, impeachable evidence that Trump attempted to obstruct the Russiagate investigation (of a crime he didn't commit). "If McGahn's testimony produces new evidence supporting the conclusion that President Trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the Articles approved by the House, the Committee will proceed accordingly — including, if necessary, by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment," reads Letter's filing. https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/522-1224153754-g.jpg 8) Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: squatz1 on December 25, 2019, 10:42:51 PM Well, folks, it didn't work the first time... so, let's do it again! House Democrats Mull Second Impeachment (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/273806-2019-12-24-house-democrats-mull-second-impeachment.htm) In a Monday court filing reported by Politico, House Counsel Douglas Letter argued that they still need testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn, which may uncover new, impeachable evidence that Trump attempted to obstruct the Russiagate investigation (of a crime he didn't commit). "If McGahn's testimony produces new evidence supporting the conclusion that President Trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the Articles approved by the House, the Committee will proceed accordingly — including, if necessary, by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment," reads Letter's filing. https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/522-1224153754-g.jpg 8) While this is from ZeroHedge, it makes sense on why the Dems are going to want to further go into impeachment stuff. They want to (and need to) convince more people to join their team. They thought with their public hearings that they'd be able to sway public opinion, but it really didn't do anything. Current aggregate polls from 538 show that support behind impeaching and removing the president is 48-48 (pretty much a dead tie) To go further with the support of the people, they need to flip this. And if they can't, they've failed and Trump will be able to use this as a victory of his own. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: TECSHARE on December 26, 2019, 02:20:24 AM While this is from ZeroHedge, it makes sense on why the Dems are going to want to further go into impeachment stuff. They want to (and need to) convince more people to join their team. They thought with their public hearings that they'd be able to sway public opinion, but it really didn't do anything. Current aggregate polls from 538 show that support behind impeaching and removing the president is 48-48 (pretty much a dead tie) To go further with the support of the people, they need to flip this. And if they can't, they've failed and Trump will be able to use this as a victory of his own. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside attacking a source because its popular to doesn't it? Almost like a little mini version of virtue signalling. How many times do I have to explain to you Zero Hedge is primarily an aggregator linking stories from all over, in this case Politico. Of course if it was just Politico linked you wouldn't be able to take that opportunity to virtue signal for your dopamine hit now would you? Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: Spendulus on December 26, 2019, 06:58:32 PM Well, folks, it didn't work the first time... so, let's do it again! House Democrats Mull Second Impeachment (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/273806-2019-12-24-house-democrats-mull-second-impeachment.htm) In a Monday court filing reported by Politico, House Counsel Douglas Letter argued that they still need testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn, which may uncover new, impeachable evidence that Trump attempted to obstruct the Russiagate investigation (of a crime he didn't commit). "If McGahn's testimony produces new evidence supporting the conclusion that President Trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the Articles approved by the House, the Committee will proceed accordingly — including, if necessary, by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment," reads Letter's filing. https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/522-1224153754-g.jpg 8) While this is from ZeroHedge, it makes sense on why the Dems are going to want to further go into impeachment stuff. They want to (and need to) convince more people to join their team. They thought with their public hearings that they'd be able to sway public opinion, but it really didn't do anything. Current aggregate polls from 538 show that support behind impeaching and removing the president is 48-48 (pretty much a dead tie) To go further with the support of the people, they need to flip this. And if they can't, they've failed and Trump will be able to use this as a victory of his own. https://babylonbee.com/news/in-genius-move-trump-supports-impeachment-forcing-democrats-to-oppose-it Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BADecker on December 26, 2019, 09:02:31 PM https://babylonbee.com/news/in-genius-move-trump-supports-impeachment-forcing-democrats-to-oppose-it What a sweet guy Trump is. Read the above^^ linked article. He's letting the cornered Dems off the hook by giving them the chance to save face. And they are going for it... LOL. Anything to keep government rolling. I wonder who is advising all these people - including Trump - in their silliness. :D Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: posoa on December 27, 2019, 10:11:41 AM Quote from: https://www.bustle.com/p/can-the-senate-stop-impeachment-trump-cant-be-ousted-by-the-house-18807063 So, technically the Senate can't stop the House from moving forward with the impeachment process steps. It can, however, stop a president from being convicted and removed from office. In fact, in several instances throughout history, American presidents have been impeached by the House, but not convicted by the Senate — meaning they remained in office. Quote from: https://wgno.com/2019/10/31/the-most-important-number-from-todays-house-impeachment-vote/ Remember this: Republicans control 53 seats in the Senate. Even if the Democratic-led House impeaches Trump, he will not be removed until 67 senators vote to convict him. Which, by a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, means that 20 GOP senators would have to side with all 47 Democrats (and independents who caucus with Democrats) in the Senate for Trump to actually be removed. A simple majority of the House of Representatives (at least 218 votes) is required to impeach a U.S. President followed by a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate (at least 67 votes). 8) I want to believe that the Senate will be considering the facts and allegations against Donald Trump, also the power of party will come into play, from the look of things the Senate may not support the impeachment , judging from the number of votes the president was able to get even from the Representative that have higher number of democrats, so at the Senate definitely, Donald Trump will not be impeached. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BuxCoin on December 30, 2019, 11:18:53 AM he will be saved in senate considering no republican voted for impeachment in lower house , i think same will go in senate where 2/3 of majority he will be saved so only he is so confident and blasting nancy on twiter
Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: squatz1 on January 02, 2020, 04:47:24 PM While this is from ZeroHedge, it makes sense on why the Dems are going to want to further go into impeachment stuff. They want to (and need to) convince more people to join their team. They thought with their public hearings that they'd be able to sway public opinion, but it really didn't do anything. Current aggregate polls from 538 show that support behind impeaching and removing the president is 48-48 (pretty much a dead tie) To go further with the support of the people, they need to flip this. And if they can't, they've failed and Trump will be able to use this as a victory of his own. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside attacking a source because its popular to doesn't it? Almost like a little mini version of virtue signalling. How many times do I have to explain to you Zero Hedge is primarily an aggregator linking stories from all over, in this case Politico. Of course if it was just Politico linked you wouldn't be able to take that opportunity to virtue signal for your dopamine hit now would you? Most of the reason that I'm not a big fan of ZeroHedge mostly because of their doom and gloom relating to economics and the market. That's where the start of my hatred towards ZeroHedge came from. But after that, not a big fan of the fact that ZH doesn't publicize the posters on their site. It'd be nice to see the people behind these stories and where their interests lie. ZH isn't just an aggregate like Politico, and they don't source as well as Politico. Just my opinion ya know. Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: BADecker on January 02, 2020, 05:00:54 PM I don't like to hear the doom and gloom of Zero Hedge, but I would rather hear it than be unprepared for it.
What I don't like about ZH is their website advertising. But they seem to need it to remain in operation. 8) Title: Re: Will Senate safe Donald Trump's impeachment? Post by: yoseph on January 02, 2020, 05:51:52 PM he will be saved in senate considering no republican voted for impeachment in lower house , i think same will go in senate where 2/3 of majority he will be saved so only he is so confident and blasting nancy on twiter The country is totally divided and there is no way that the Republican senate are going to allow them to impeach Trump with the elections coming up because Trump is very popular with Republican voters and if that happens they are going to retaliate by maybe boycotting the elections and the GOP will end up losing massively. No wonder Trump wants a Senate trial court he is sure to win it. |
