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Did anyone watch the latest documentary about Ross Ulbricht? It can be found on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvN32yFSeks) (or at this secondary link (https://odysee.com/@MadMaxMedia:1/Silk-Road:0)) and it was created by the Free Ross organization.

I'm asking because I noticed some interesting allegations, besides all the injustice made during the trial. The injustice made towards Ross is well known (I think) by most of the people knowing details about the case; many of them were detailed also by xtraelv in his very interesting topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4437773.0).

However, some unknown (at least for me) details were exposed in this documentary. Some are very unrealistic (such as the suspicion about Mark Karpelès being Satoshi, which I find as being actually a delusion, but nobody knows the truth), but some raise questions though... Besides, the film details the idea of Karpelès being also DPR, not just Satoshi.

• For example, at the beginning of the documentary (between 0:04 and 09:22), is stated that first mention of SR was made here, by the user silkroad (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5341), inside the topic Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.160) (which is correct). Jared Der-Yeghiayan, the first investigator of SR (who never mentioned how he found out abour SR's existence), found out that the site mentioned in the topic (silkroadmarket.org) was only a surface web platform which was informing the users about how to use Tor and how to access the real SR on Deep Web. Der-Yeghiayan found that silkroadmarket.org was registered with XTA.net, a domain server owned by a company of Mark Karpelès named Mutum Sigillum. As you already know, Karpelès is the ex-owner of the defunct Mt. Gox. At this point started the suspicion that DPR (the new owner of SR, after Ross handed him the site) is the same person with the owner of Mt. Gox.
• By that time, according to Ross' statements, he was no longer the owner of SR. He declared that he was overwhelmed and, after finding a guy who helped him a lot with the site, he agreed to pass him the ownership. This guy's nickname was DPR (Dread Pirate Roberts) and he is (was) suspected to be Karpelès.
• From here, things become even more interesting: Karpelès bought Mt. Gox about same time when SR was launched. In the documentary is raised the suspicion that Karpelès may be Satoshi (which I doubt) and that he would have all the reasons in the world for opening SR, as he would place there the BTC earned through Mt. Gox and vice-versa. Besides the interesting coincidences, there is also an absurd allegation - that Karpelès was also the owner of BitcoinTalk, information given to Der-Yeghiayan by a secret informant, who previously was hired by Karpelès. This idea appeared after another coincidence noted in the film, as it follows: the SMF platform, used for BitcoinTalk site, was used also for the discussions forum hosted on SR. Besides, due to the rarity of SMF being used in forums, the fact that it was used on both BitcoinTalk and SR raised investigator's suspicion, determining him to consider even more that there is a same owner for both, meaning that Karpelès could be Satoshi.

Example of similarities UI-wise between the sites:
https://i.ibb.co/tCT5jqQ/DreIDOD.png

• Coming back to Ross and to how the investigation started (32:00 - 34:46): it is stated that the govern used a "parallel construction" in order to frame him and to make him look like the real DPR. To be more specific, an IRS agent (Gary Alford) found on BitcoinTalk a post containing Ross's email, which was written before the thread found by Der-Yeghiayan (mentioned above). Practically, Der-Yeghiayan found the topic Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.160), which was posted on March 1st, 2011 by the username silkroad, while Alford stated he found a post made by the user altoid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) on January 29th, 2011 (without specifying the name of the topic). The documentary says that Der-Yeghiayan couldn't have found this post during his investigation because it didn't exist. Alford claimed he found the respective post being quoted by another forum user in a discussion about SR (I could not find this post, although I searched it). Afterwards, Alford mentioned a real post of altoid, from October 11th, 2011 (which I found to be IT pro needed for venture backed bitcoin startup (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47811.msg568744#msg568744)), where an email was stated: "rossulbricht at gmail dot com". And from here, the govern was led to suspect Ross being behind SR.

However, claims the documentary, this information could be planted by Karpelès (the alleged owner of BitcoinTalk) or by any other user with high level of access. Besides, the way that Alford found the respective email is compared with "finding a needle in a haystack the size of the Internet" (which I totally agree). With other words, from all the people trying to find information about SR owner, Alford only managed to find this email address. From here started the idea that the information was planted. Because if someone with high access would have made the respective post in the name of Ross then handed the information to Alford, everything looks more realistic.

The entire documentary is very interesting, but, however, its first 35 minutes are the ones raising the questions detailed in current topic. Could Karpelès be Satoshi and also DPR? Another aspect, not mentioned in the documentary, but known inside the forum, is that Karpelès also performed an audit over BitcoinTalk. Maybe this aspect would have raised even more suspicion in the documentary.


In the end, I want to mention that I found very interesting the entire film, which brings new details about Ross's case, about the unbelievable way the judge treated him or about the sabotages that some secret agencies / agents performed towards other agencies / agents. I recommend everybody to watch it, it's a must see documentary!

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Translations (in chronological order):

• Română: Cazul Silk Road: povestea adevărată nespusă. Este Karpelès Satoshi sau DPR? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439869), translation by GazetaBitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1285797)
• Polish: Sprawa Silk Road: Prawdziwa, nieopowiedziana historia. Czy Karpelès to ... (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446013), translation by cygan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27470)
• Filipino: Kaso sa SilkRoad: Totoo, Hindi Masabing Kwento. Si Karpelès ba ay Satoshi o DPR? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446341), translation by jeraldskie11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=911833)
• Pidgin: Silk Road Case: De Real, Untold Story. Na Karpelès be Satoshi or DPR? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465996.0), translation by sokani (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3520902)
• Indonesian: Kasus Silk Road:Kisah Nyata yang blm terungkap.Apakah Karpelès Satoshi atau DPR? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457378), translation by dansus021 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=392207)
• Bengali: সিল্ক রোড কেস: কারপেলেস সাতোশি নাকি ডিপিআর? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631891.msg62886278#msg628862785), translation by DYING_S0UL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3513442)
• French: L'affaire Silk Road : la véritable histoire. Karpelès est-il Satoshi ou DPR ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471173), translation by iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3373825)
• Urdu: سلک روڈ کیس: دی اصلی، ان کہی کہانی۔ کارپیلس س (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg63726616#msg63726616), translation by JunaidAzizi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3501268)
• German: Der Fall Silk Road: Die wahre, unerzählte Geschichte. Ist MK Satoshi oder DPR? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5493869), translation by cygan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27470)

SR probably used the SMF theme because he was targeting bitcoin users which are already familiar with the theme.
Saying Karpeles is Satoshi because of that is completely absurd.

The server thing is interesting but the it doesn't prove anything because it's can easily be a coincidence he bought hosting on the Karpeless hosting site.
The clearnet guide is also a stretch because it used an affiliate link (if I remember correctly) and could easily be someone trying to earn some coins from the affiliate program.

In the end data was found that Ross is DPR since he was convicted?
If so, all of this makes no sense.

Karpeles owning SR and creating bitcoin being the most absurd.
Karpeles stole so many BTC but didn't sell the initial Satoshi million BTC?

That is a good question indeed...
There are so many coincidences, questions and controversies. I wonder if we will ever find the whole truth.

Is Karpeles Satoshi? No.
Is Karpeles DPR? No.

Ross was DPR and created SR. Maybe later there were other people who took over the role of DPR, but Ross started it and was the first.
Karpeles is not clever or skilled enough to be Satoshi, he was a bad PHP programmer, not a C programmer

I don't think the real Satoshi Nakamoto can be found anymore. If he wanted to be a public person, he would have appeared before the public at the beginning of the formation of Bitcoin, as a phenomenon. Currently, we have a lot of fake Satoshi Nakamoto, who are trying to use this name for selfish purposes.

The real Satoshi will not emerge. Because he opened a path and left. It is not an easy thing. To offer such a great value to the world. And make it available to people. People may want to use this popularity. But Satoshi has set up a system that won't let anyone take his place.

Any other TLDRs? I couldn't handle the narrator's lack of popshield.

Being grabbed by FBI agents with the SR admin page open and responding live to a fella outside on a bench is just about convincing enough to me.

Beyond that there's so much murkiness and weirdness I wonder whether any definitive story will ever emerge. Were there multiple DPRs? Was there more law enforcement weirdness? Quite possible.

The nature of what he created and the desire for government revenge no doubt means aspects of his trial were screwed before he started. I can't see them ever letting the slightest chink of light through from the off.

My view is that he's 100% guilty and a penis. He deserves to be jailed. He most certainly doesn't deserve to be jailed for an entire lifetime. And since the trial seems so warped he should be free anyway.

Had he been directly hooking up drug makers with drug consumers that would be cool, but he was smoothing the way for all the blood money in the middle. SR removed some street level violence. It did nothing to address the horror in the manufacturing and transportation.

As for Karpeles, he comes across as stupid, dishonest and lazy. And his every other action points towards the same conclusion. DPR was none of those things. Several million times so for Satoshi.

Karpeles edited the post and make it look as if altoid posted the email which means Karpeles own bitcointalk and possibly Satoshi. April fool is months later. I know people want Ross out, the sentence for life is not fair but he was caught in the act logged to SR. Feel sorry for him but I will try watching the documentary today.

Was this made on purpose to pin SR to Karpeles because he's a scammer anyways? xD

No, it was made after the documentary raised some pertinent questions.

However, Karpeles is indeed a slippery guy. He was arrested, got out, arrested again... He found 200.000 BTC in a "forgotten" wallet of Mt. Gox, the trial for Mt. Gox's collapse isn't over, the clients didn't recover yet their loss and so on.

I just saw this topic of theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049449.0.

I wasn't aware of its existence. Apparently, he answered to some of these questions a long time ago. At least to those related to the connection between Karpeles and BitcoinTalk.

February 2023 update: sadly, the Youtube link containing the documentary is not functional anymore. It actually works, but the user which posted the film restricted access to it by making it private.

I also tried to access the website freeross.org, knowing that it was also hosting the documentary. Yet another surprise:

https://i.ibb.co/Fs2Bhr1/741VYPw.png

Afterwards I tried to search the documentary on Google: still nothing. Apparently, the material is not present anymore on any website; or, at least, it's not accesible to public anymore. I searched using many keywords, including "Railroaded", this being the term used for the initial presentation of the material.

Now I'm asking: why did the Youtube user restrict the access to the film? Furthermore: why can't the documentary be found anymore on any other website? Even more importat: why was it eliminated even from the website of Free Ross foundation? If, for some reason, the websites hosting the material could choose to restrict public access to it (although it seems hard to believe that all those websites took this decision), still the question remains: why doesn't it appear anymore even on the site of the organization meant to support Ross?

Were all these websites pressured or threatened by agencies?

Maybe none of these questions will ever be answered.

However, if anyone manages to find the documentary online, please share it here as well.

kerpeles sold domain name services

he sold one to ross

ross was caught years later still running silkroad and loads of evidence was found on rosses computer

ross was DPR

. but it is good comedy for ross to pretend he gave control to kerpeles even though ross was caught in a coffee shop with a laptop managing silkroad(red handed)

but if the guy wants to try to shift blame. he is a bit late to that defence

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its like me saying if some forum critic of mine caught me at a conference with my device logged into the forum and me typing into it . found me out
and years later i accused theymos of being franky1 because theymos offered the service(this forum) to let me register

its comedy. but a lame defence
especially when my devices browser history contains all the "post" pages and "edit post" pages of franky1 on-going from 2012-2023

I don't know who owns that website, but it's obvious why they removed that page on website after it was removed from public youtube video.
There are other videos available on that website that still support Ross, and I see they are still active on social media.

It's possible that youtube channel owner who uploaded that video received strike warning from youtube censorship team, so he decided to make it private.
I am sure you can find that video reuploaded on other channels, or on alternative video platforms that are not supported and controlled by people who would want to control this.
You can chek and confirm if video posted below are the same as original video:

Here is one reupload on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvN32yFSeks

And same video uploaded on odysee:
https://odysee.com/@MadMaxMedia:1/Silk-Road:0

Why do you think they did it?


Then again: why would Youtube censorship take action here? What was the problem with that video (assuming there was a problem with it)...?


Sadly, no matter how much I searched it, I could not find it...


Yuuuuhuuuu! That's the video! Thank you so much, dkbit98! How did you manage to find it? Excepting that, have you watched it too?

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It's easy to talk while not knowing all details and, also, while you are outside of the bars. If you'd watch the video you'll find out some details which you never knew. Among others, he was caught while running SR because DPR was asking for his help in that period, with various requests. It is also possible that DPR did that on purpose, for framing Ross. Excepting that, Police force did not follow the legal procedure after taking his laptop (details which can be also found inside the documentary), thus they could tamper the evidence before the trial. For acting like that, this evidence should have not even been taken into consideration during the trial, as it became irrelevant evidence from law point of view, yet it was taken into consideration.


The aspects from above, together with many others, were contested by Ross in all possible Courts, including the Supreme Court of Justice, where he highlighted the fact that he was not given the chance for a fair trial. Yet all his attempts failed. Now it's late for defense indeed, but this does not mean he did not try to defend himself when the time was right. Many witness have been denied in court while others were accepted, although they were not supposed to. Same happened with the evidence provided. Please watch the video then come back to this thread.

In the end, we have one man behind bard for two life sentences (plus 40 additional years) -- like someone could actually fulfill such a sentence!!! -- for a crime without victims. For running a website! A man at his first offense!

Besides, how can it be explained that all other dark market owners which were caught after Ross were also released from jail, while this man is sentenced for life?!?

Idk, ask g00gle and their sponsors.
They can ban anything if it doesn't agree with the mainstream narrative, that includes anything related with bitcoin and silk road.

I didn't use chatGPT Ai, just good old style internet search, and if you couldn't find it than you are probably using some ''normie'' search engines that are all messed up now.
I found several results using Brave search, SearX, and few other alternative search engines.

The plan is you make sure they get everything they need.

Make sure! The plan is not certain!

Container code.

"I call Charles and tell him VPN is a fact?". Why we dropped the titles. Tisco elegance..

Tell them about every day life.

The true Bitcoin's Origin story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mBrQx86ZbE

"Immutable". There is only one problem. People believes in it.

Very high.

@GazetaBitcoin

heres the thing.
he was not just "running a website"

it wasnt like craigs list where anything was just randomly sold
it was a website geared for the illicit content. advertised for illicit content.
he cant play ignorant pretending he didnt know what was on it. when the design of the website he made was designed for illicit stuff to be categorised.

oh and. you made alot of waffle trying to pretend he didnt run the website.. and then ended your last post saying he was arrested for.. running the website

so even you deep down know he was running the website and just are trying to promote lame and debunked claims he was a patsy blamed for something he was uninvolved in

reality check the FBI were for months pre-catching him. watching him and linking him to events and stuff he was involved in

and it was not just the website content. it was the illegal deals and the hitman stuff too, thus he is not innocent

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now here is the thing.
if he stuck to just weed. and he didnt go vengeance hitman hiring. he might have cause and claim to get his sentence reduced now weed is legal.

but because his crimes were more then "just weed" he has to serve a large sentence

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i know people think. "if i use bitcoin it makes me immune from normal crimes.. sorry but no. if you intend to murder someone murder is murder no matter the payment method

if you want to broker cocaine deals its not the currency type that decides guilt or innocence
its how involved you are in brokering cocaine deals

he was the drug den.where he had a big sign saying get your cocaine here
and taking a cut for that
 not a vacant street corner

Haha, he has already alledged that this guy is the Bitcointalk owner too (in other words, theymos).

So this must bean satoshi = theymos :P


Yes, Youtube would rather spend their time serving you with irrelevant ads (possibly in different languages if you are using a VPN), than letting you watch actual content because that part of the service doesn't make any money for them.

Oh I see! Thank you for this hint :) And thanks again for the links.

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Yes, technically speaking, he was actually caught while running the website. Yet this would never be a reason good enough for charging someone with two life sentences, while the person was at his first offense.


And even if it were so, there is still no explanation for how was possible to have owners of SR 2.0, SR 3.0 and others caught / imprisoned / released already, while this man is left behind the bars with no possibility of parole.


If you would have actually studied the case or, at least, watched the documentary, you would have found out that all murder-for-hire charges were dropped (https://en.paperblog.com/murder-for-hire-charge-dismissed-against-ross-ulbricht-1908432/amp) during the trial, as there was not any evidence indicating it.


You keep insisting on the part about hiring hitmen, murders etc., while all these charges were dropped. So in the end we have someone, at first offense, put for life behind the bars for running a website / for a victimless crime. I would recommend you again to watch the documentary -- it'll help you understand some parts which you think you know but, in fact, you don't, and they cloud your judgement regarding the case.

I am not saying Ross was all innocent. Yet nothing from what he did justifies such a harsh sentence. Nothing he did justifies a decision leading to impossibility of parole. Nothing justifies the evidence accepted by the court which did not follow the legal path for being brought in front of the court. Combine all these with the corrupt DEA agents (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/stealing-bitcoins-with-badges-how-silk-roads-dirty-cops-got-caught/) which were part of the case, which stole BTC, which extort Ross and which were directly interested to have framed. And there's more, much more than these few examples I said here.

there are certain things
like FTX which is just financial crimes the so called "no physical harm" thing your chanting and yet people feel he deserves 120 years in prison

so there is one dude involved in facilitating the sales of a substance that can cause overdose and deaths you want free.. and another guy that just messed around with money.

sentencing has guidelines of money involved, people involved. number of times an offence is done

its not like he just named dropped someone he knew which resulted in a one time drug deal of just personal use amounts. he ran a drug den for years of harsh drugs that can kill

i know you want to make it sound like "he just ran a website"
but so did scam bankman fraud if we used your same mindset

but we all know ross done more then just develop a website. he actually done alot more behind the scenes then that.

again if it was just selling personal use amounts of weed. he would have been released by now. but he is not released becasue of the many things he done over the years.

This is probably the most reasonable and logical answer to OP's conspiracy theory. And lets face it, it is just a conspiracy theory with absolutely no hard evidence but rather one of those "matching of random coincidences for the fabrication of a baseless evidence"- kind of theories.

Even if Karpeles was DPR, if he was morally corrupt enough to scam and steal from people, then obviously he would be corrupt enough to rug-pull the entire Bitcoin community no matter how high the price was at the time (and it was high enough for him to have made a considerable profit, had he been involved)

As far as I remember the story, Ross got caught red handed as DPR. Thats really the biggest evidence against him, in my opinion.

In your earlier posts you insisted on murder-for-hire aspect until I explained (proved) you that all those charges were dropped. So you stop mentioning that. Now you insist on drug selling, yet you do not answer to a very legitimate question:


It's so easy to speak while not knowing specific details about this case. It's so easy to speak while it's not you the one behind bars for life. Why were all those dark market owners caught, imprisoned and also set frr from jail, for same offense, while Ross has to spend a double lifetime sentence? Plus 40 years! Does this make any sense?

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Actually, this is not "OP's conspiracy theory" :) I merely described what documentary presents.


True. Yet Ross' defense was that in the last period, just before getting caught, DPR needed his assistance for some things and this is why he had to log on the site from time to time. Be it a lie or not, the way his laptop was confiscated and manipulated by Police after confiscation did not follow the legal procedures, not to mention that they were practically allowed to plant any data they wanted until the laptop was presented as evidence. All these are detailed in the documentary. If you would just be willing to watch it, you would understand better.

As a consequence, that laptop should have never been accepted as a legit evidence in the court. But they wanted to make sure they have a name sentenced for life thus they did anything they could for framing this man as much as possible.

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I know the silk road case but never dug up like this because of your thread I'm started to search about Silkroad, the news said that roos is the owner of DPR account but the movie said the dpr account is no longer hold by ross

there is something fishy here, maybe that karpeles is owned the DPR or maybe other person and he has cooperated with the gov just like the secret agent and the DEA agent who was corrupt and got 6 years in prison and make the ross is still have control of DPR account

damn how many bitcoin had flown in silk road case  :o

and by lookup the https://freeross.org/ actually there are dozen people from the government that also support the ross

This is true, Ross gave up his administrator account of Silk Road to DPR.


There are so too much more questions than answers regarding the insights of Silk Roads case... Perhaps we'll never find out the entire truth.


This is good, as it proves that even guys working for the government realized that they went too far against Ross and they orchestrated that joke of a trial against him. Still, Ross remains in jail for a double life sentence (which he will never be able to do, for obvious reasons), without possibility of parole and without any further legal way to trying to combat the unfair sentence. Only the President may give him a parole, but it seems that no US President is willing to do it.

Bitcoin magazine today published an article about Ross Ulbricht and his now exactly 10 years in jail. really very worth reading!

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/10-years-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht-jail-justice (https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/10-years-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht-jail-justice)