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Splendid isn't it? Lol

They have changed it from Cryptotalk to their own Investbox aka fake shitcoins buy-in and get rekt plans.

Some examples of previously ran ponzis now stuck 000000000000000000000000001:

https://yobit.net/en/trade/EGOLD/BTC
https://yobit.net/en/trade/MOON/BTC
https://yobit.net/en/trade/URANIX/BTC

Do you think there will be actually people who will leave this campaign since they can no longer hide behind "advertising another forum" or nah?

Visit the main cryptotalk thread on the services section and you'll see some participants already contemplating and waiting for the campaign manager's feedback regarding the recent change.

That is obviously a new campaign and would be considered a violation of yahoo's contract with cryptotalk (yobit). He may actually stop managing the campaign and most signature participants could also leave because of that.

Can anyone shed some light on this "InvestBox"? This is all the information I can find on their website:

This is all the information they provide. It's definitely not a Ponzi, it's from a "special fund", but with absolutely zero details as to what this "special fund" is, or how it is able to generate profits of 10% per day, which is obviously nonsense.* Also, how can an "InvestBox" change to "no coins" and yet still be able to pay out? This has all the hallmarks of a Ponzi.

Furthermore, the only thing I can find regarding this "X10" token is an announcement from bitcoin.com's forums here. (https://forum.bitcoin.com/gambling/x10-the-world-s-1st-fully-automated-bitcoin-automated-income-platform-t100477.html) (Warning: bitcoin.com is a known scam site designed to trick newbies in to buying a trash altcoin.) See the following quote:

So as far as I can see, YoBit are advertising a Ponzi scheme built on top of a pyramid scheme. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but users should really think long and hard before applying this new signature.

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*10% profit a day could turn $100 in to over a million dollars in 3 months, and over two billion dollars in 6 months. Obviously bullshit.

If yahoo62278 stops managing the campaign, it's open for all shitposters again, and spammers with farmed accounts won't care if they're promoting a likely scam.
Until theymos bans their signature again.

I think it's legitimate, but the coins you can use to earn interest are mostly only the ones you can find on yobit, which are all shit coins.  It's like trying to earn interest on the venezuelan bolivar or whatever it is that's hyperinflating down in that country.  They do have investment plans for btc, but I think you'd have to be on the lunatic fringe to deposit a coin that valuable on yobit so as to earn money with it.

I think I'm done with this campaign after the next payout, assuming the wallet doesn't get stuck again.  I've even earned those pennies of bitcoin on cryptotalk, but it's such a lousy forum that I know anything I write is just going to waste because it'll never get read.  That's how bad it is on that forum.

Yeah, I saw it. And some participants already leaving campaign because they don't want to advertise shady thing called investbox. I remember there was quite many good members with Cryptotalk signature and they definitely wouldn't join this campaign if they would have to advertise Yobit directly.
It will be interesting to hear yahoo comment about this. But if he will decide to leave this job, you all know what is going to happen...
BTW, there is people complaining that after changing signature, they aren't getting paid. Seems that Yobit didn't set up their bot properly. For these who are in campaign, I think it's better wait some time before updating signature.

Based on what? Do you have any evidence or proof of payouts?

So what you are saying is if you deposit anything with actual value, it is likely to get stolen? So in what way is this "legitimate"?

There is no investment program in the world which can promise returns of 10% a day whilst also claiming to be "100% safe". This is a scam.

Because I've tried it out with a couple of coins they offer, egold, yone, and one or two others.  As I said, the interest does show up in your account and you can claim it with no problem.  I've done it before, but the value of those coins is so low to begin with that it's not worth even doing it.

I have no idea whether any bitcoin would get stolen if you deposited it into one of those investbox schemes, but I just don't trust it.  Why?  Because I don't know what they're doing that they can promise you interest on bitcoin.  My suspicion is more that I wouldn't get paid what was promised than yobit would run off with the coins, but who knows.  It's yobit.

I don't want to advertise for yobit now that they changed their signatures.  And from the services thread I'm hearing that the payment for the past 7 days is all screwed up for members that changed their sigs before the payment button got unstuck.  I'm going to wait to see if my last 2 posts get paid for and then I'm out.

I would prefer this outcome, as opposed to yahoo managing a ponzi campaign and the subsequent dramas that will ensue (red trust and whatnot).

it sounds like a ponzi scheme, and I doubt that Yahoo would willingly put his name to it. I haven't looked into it yet, but if this is what it seems it pretty much confirms the moral stand point of Yobit, and again if it is confirmed to be a ponzi scheme I'd personally urge everyone to stop using their exchange immediately. Ponzi's don't work, and aren't a good business model. Users will eventually get hurt, and its got to at least be questioned whether they are going to be paying early "investors" with exchange money.

Here is my thoughts on it


Looking at the signature campaigns participants view points on it are shocking it really does look like people put money before anything these days. Some members are saying they will wait for "yahoo's decision" but shouldn't they be making their own mind up whether they would like to advertise for a probable scam?

Lemmings, the lot of them.

You gotta give it to Yobit for the brazen disregard of ethics or respect for this forum. Just casually stopped by their signature campaign thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg53418192#msg53418192) and changed the signature bbcode from a spam site to a scam scheme.

The interest rate is indeed very suspicious. But would a legally operating exchange do such a thing ?! If that's true, then these people would go 100% to prison in Russia.
I will wait for yahoo's decision just because it is unbelievable to me that they could do something so insolent.

Since when Yobit is operating leagally? They don't things like license which would make them fully leagally operating exchange and nobody knows who owns Yobit and etc. And IIRC, Yobit was previously even banned in Russia

I am honestly surprised that they are openly promoting a ponzi scheme. I could understand another "bestest of them all forum" but its sad to see this.

I also changed signature but posted in cryptotalk signature thread that isn’t it ponzi.I also want to hear from Yahoo.If yahoo give his statement I will remove this signature.I don't want to promote ponzi scheme.           

yes what is the sequel friends? none of us want a ban or negative but we wish the campaign to continue.
we hope that a good result will be achieved, maybe it will continue as before "cryptotalk" :)

There are a few more lines there:


Keywords, automated, everyone gets paid, smart bots.....
So, they have invented a new kind of Perpetuum mobile where everyone gains and not just a few cents but hundreds of commissions, 5 levels deepthr...

Anything like this would be labeled as a ponzi scam in the scam section, and I see no reason why this should be an exception...


The only way this could be called legitimate is if you would consider only the number of those shittokens or whatever they are as an indicator.
So you invest 10 yoshits, I can pay you 100 by tomorrow cause I' the one printing them, and I can issue a decillion of them whenever I feel like.

But if you invest 100$ and after one year of 10% a day gains you end up with a million token worth 2 cents , it's a scam by all standards.

Exactly. They promise 10% daily, for example, but his shittokens lose on the value of 20% per day. that is why users hold "investment" another day, and so on... in the end, you will get your investment + 10% daily in his tokens, which will be worthless.
btw. You can't do anything with his coins, they have no wallet, not listed to anywhere except on Yobit.

Just received an email from there:

I think this is a pretty weak argument in favor of someone getting paid to help promote a very shady company (some would go as far as to say that YoBit is an outright scam).

Furthermore, some participants may argue that they are participating because yahoo is managing the campaign.

I don’t think the possibility that shitposters might spam the forum is a reason to help a scam advertise. It seems to me that the payment for campaign management services is more about YoBit being allowed to advertise without significant pushback against their participants and less about actually managing their campaign.

I have to say I am disappointed that others are not being vocal about this.

It has been discussed before, and there was more or less consensus that a decent manager is better than no manager at all, although theymos banning the campaign would be better.

But since the signature campaign was for a forum and not directly for YoBit, they kinda got away with it. I'd say that all changes if they change the signature from "promote this forum" to "promote this ponzi".

You may have miss-interpreted my post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53420526#msg53420526): it was not a justification for yahoo62278 continuing to manage the campaign once it shifts to a ponzi scam, it was a direct response to the post I quoted. Rosezionjohn claimed most signature participants will leave if yahoo62278 leaves, and I think he's right. But the spammers who couldn't abuse the campaign because of yahoo62278 will have a feeding frenzy when that happens.

Wait, what?

We don't know that yet, I already got a feeling that they just used this Cryptotalk campaign as a stepping stone to gain some participants in preparation for this "InvestBox" investment scheme. Yobit has been here in the forum long before I was even a member here and they know most of their participants will stick to their campaign no matter what just as long as they are getting paid for it that's why they are confident sudden changes for the campaign of CryptoTalk to Investbox will still have a lot of blind followers changing their signature. I know that yahoo right now is in a tight spot because of this I just wish that Yobit has the guts to made this InvestBox into another signature campaign so that it doesn't affect Yahoo and Cryptotalk's participants.

I left the campaign after seeing the new signatures. Yobit is just an exit scam waiting to happen and it's blatantly obvious at this point. You can find stories of people's balances being locked and professionalism is nonexistent with this exchange. They would send out emails with blatant typos and they could barely even run their signature campaign without leaving users in the dark in regards to payouts. In addition to fake trading volumes I don't think anyone should be promoting their ponzi garbage. It's pathetic that any exchange that wants to consider themselves reputable would pushing for this so I'd suggest anyone that has money on Yobit withdraw it before they do it for you in some "hack".

I removed mine ^{[due to obvious reasons]}...

I strongly believe that's a perfect excuse to just earn for a few more posts >:(

I totally agree with this.

In scam accusation board, we are facing ponzi schemas almost every day and painting them in red because they are promising any amount of sure income and lead to lose of funds someday.

There is no free money, guys anyway. Someone needs to pay for your 10% income. I ain't against advertising cryptotalk forum, but I decline to advertise that suspicious investbox.

Long story short, we can't fill the forum with something like earn 10% every day below every second post. Thousand of Crypto newbies visit this forum daily and most of them will lure into this Yobit's so-called investment box because Bitcoin still has reputation of get-rich quickly scheme among folks. 
Whether it being legit or scam is secondary. But on moral grounds this campaign should stop, at least direct link to imvestbox is vicious. Waiting for words from Theymos.

Yobit strikes again. Lol. The Cryptotalk forum looks good to me and I saw many people already started promoting their bounties on Cryptotalk forum instead of Bitcoingarden and Altcointalk forums! But finally, Yobit comes out from their vizard and opens their real nature which is this invest box. No one has problem with the Cryptotalk signature code but I believe everyone will boycott and remove this shit scammy signature banner if Yobit doesn't change it.

I feel that this whole situation is a bit hypocritical for all those who generated money with the Cryptotalk campaign.

I am not going to defend and/or accuse anyone, but after they changed the signature to "generate 10% per day" without clearly pointing out all the risks associated with using this type of unsustainable investment.

I'm not into that, I'm not going to promote that.


Okay, this is getting out of control.

Responses such as this 1 seem so hypocritical IMO. I was ok with getting paid by Yobit as long as I was advertising cryptotalk. The exchange was good to use while they were paying me to post about another forum, but now that they are promoting something in their site, I am not ok with it.

Look guys, I was blindsided by all this myself. I woke up to a load of PMs here and messages on telegram regarding the situation. Being as the case is what it is, I did ask awhile back about thoughts on myself looking over their campaign. THREAD FOR REFERENCE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134119.msg50692188#msg50692188) and the consensus was overwhelmingly that users would rather I be in some sort of control of the campaign vs noone at all. When this topic was created I had assumed that they would be advertising the exchange as well, not a different forum. My assumption is all of you thought the same thing being as cryptotalk was not even in existence yet.

Now on to today. Like I said before I woke up to all these changes, and i'm not personally ok with all of them. I never was managing the campaign, but rather trying to control the spam, which I think I have done a damn good job of doing for the most part, along with a great deal of help by a lot of community members. The Investbox has been a part of the exchange for awhile now. Not sure when it was introduced.

I know the general consensus of Yobit as an exchange is poor. I personally have never had an issue there but that doesn't mean others have not. I also know that almost every other exchange has had accusations against them as well. So generally they're all in the same category for me. Use them at your own discretion.


This user said it best as far as my deal with YoBit. They contacted me Sep 27th of this year and asked me to handle the cryptotalk campaign. They never said anything to me regarding Yobit exchange minus that's where payments would come from. Anyone with any sense obviously would come to the conclusion cryptotalk was ran by yobit though. So in a sense people were advertising for Yobit the whole time.

I'm not 100% in agreement that the investbox is a ponzi or pyramid but I could be wrong. Currently I just don't understand how the damn thing works and I need to find somewhere to educate myself on this.


From what AverageGlabella posted apparently from Yobit's invesbox page, it's supposed to be investing of your free coins. Again I really do not know, so I am trying to find out.

Conclusions I have come to regarding these changes.

1. looks as though the cryptotalk campaign is over
2. my contract with them has ended
3. I am sending admin a message regarding this new campaign. I will be asking if the signatures can be changed. I would also like someone to have direct contact with regarding when their balance goes empty. I want better communication skills from them period or it's a no from me on continuing any sort of cooperation with them.

To the users who have or will change to this new signature. Do it at your own risk. DT is going to do as they please, even though I don't wholly agree with decisions to red tag the users at this point. Noone really tagged livecoin participants and this is no different.

I really don't like users using the excuse," I'm waiting to see what yahoo does before I do anything" You guys have a brain and your own opinions. Do what you feel is correct. Don't use me as your scapegoat.

To users who do or plan to use Yobit. Do your own due diligence and research something before blindly tossing money into it.

I know we are going to see varying opinions on this issue for both sides of the argument. Let's keep it civil while the discussion is happening and I will report anything that they respond to me with regarding this new campaign and my decision on whether to continue or walk away.

Yeah, that's the only API that would be able to get you 300% a month, too bad only the citizens of Laputa can use it right now.
And probably CS's API that works like a privatekey...

Don't know how I missed that part  :'( , too many scams, too many failed projects, I need an upgrade to keep up with them.

There's a fine line between advertising an Cryptotalk.org and advertising a ponzi scheme. Where's the hypocrisy in that? I could have easily switched signatures and started posting but what's the point? There's a fine line and Yobit crossed it, within reason. I had these grievances before I wore the signature so it's not a matter that they were nonexistent before. But I'm not going to say a poorly run exchange is a scam because people can/need to due diligence before using any exchange. That being said, an exchange that does in fact promote a ponzi is not something I agree with. I just now found out about the EGold, Moon, ect. currencies that went to zero so respectfully, I wouldn't say that's hypocrisy at all.

It can be but I think they needed strong promotion for the Cryptotalk forum. And for the wide promotion, the Cryptotalk forum has thousands of regular posters now! Therefore people can earn a penny by posting in that forum too, so posters are stable.  But when Yobit realizes that the forum has enough members and it's growing they come out from their good musk and open the scammy invest box, lol!

That's pretty much the point. No one understands how it works because they purposefully give no details. All they do claim is that it definitely isn't a Ponzi (because everyone knows projects which aren't Ponzis have to declare in capitals that they are definitely NOT Ponzis).

Even ignoring the points regarding many of their offered investments being shitcoins, they have offerings for BTC of up to 1% daily or 15% weekly. They also claim "it's 100% safe". This is categorically not possible.

15% weekly on BTC? 100% safe? Wow! Why do people even bother to wear signature for pennies when you could just sell your home, "invest", and be multimillionaire in a matter of months?

I need to hear more! .... And some popcorns too.



P.S.: Irony apart. I don't really like to talk without knowing even a little. So I just went to check what is that InvestBox thing. And here is my preliminary opinion:

- It seems that there are "investment plans" that someone can create, not just yobit themselves. For different coins/tokens etc.

- It *seems* that they say it is safe because the wallet from which the interest will be paid must be prefunded, and when it runs out of coins the investment plan will become inactive... the consequences of which I don't know.

- The shitcoins for most of the plans are probably coming from own emission or airdrop budgets or something. They are shitcoins anyways, so who cares. DYOR.

- I don't see a 15%/week plan on BTC

- I do see one 1% daily BTC plan though. But max investment is 1BTC. We all know that's not sustainable, but it could be a ponzi... or just an "introductory offer" in which some will take advantage while "supplies" last (at their cost) and will quickly reduce the rewards. That's still highly risky... If you don't know how someone is making money to give you some profit to you... they are probably "stealing" it from you (or others).

- Also it seems that the investment plans give shitcoin rewards (which probably come from free emission to them or the investment plan creators) for ie "investing"/depositing BTC.

So maybe a bit early to definitely call it a "scam" or a ponzi without more conclusive evidence... but fishy for sure. Nothing new under the sun though.

#YMMV #DYOR

Yobit Investbox - it's not ponzi, you can check this video to understand how it works - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IQY6Ly1pFCGM7e9jV5M7m4Sv78h7Y5jR/view

InvestBox plans for btc are limited and have strong conditions (user need to have some amount of Yobit tokens and e.t.c. to get his daily %), it's just an advertisement tool with fixed budget, if it ends - user can close his investbox investment and withdraw or exchange coins anytime.

I have used Yobit exchange for trading a few altcoins such as Ethereum, Dash and Litecoin. Honestly, I haven't experienced any problem.
Lets's assume there is no problem with Yobit and there is no problem with Investbox. But the main problem is not Investbox. The main problem is X10.

Look at the new signature.
It says "BuyX10". So even if Investbox is not a ponzi scheme or any other kind of scam, the problem is not solved.

What is X10? If I know what is X10, then I change my signature.

Where is the blockchain? How transactions are done?
How much is the total supply and circulating supply?
What is the website?
Where is the team?
How should communicate with developers?
Where have the coins come from? Was there any ICO/IEO?

If there is no blockchain, there is no real coin. Investors don't buy any coin. Investors give their money to Yobit. Instead, Yobit show them a number in their wallet as their balance.

As I said, I assume there is no problem with Investbox. I know how it works. It's simple. We invest our coins and we get interest. Please tell us what is X10. Then I will change my signature if I am convinced.

The only thing I can find that's legit about Investbox, is that it's legitimately a scam!  The wording of the little literature they provide about the service is a contradiction in itself.  "InvestBoxes can change status from Active to «No coins», but you can close your investment any time, it’s 100% safe."  WTF?  If the "status" can go to "No coins" it isn't 100% safe.  It isn't even 1% safe.

Then there's the issue of that pesky thing called math.  There is no way they can sustainably pay the kinds of returns they advertise.  Even if you take the lowest percentage investment; from 0.01 to 10 bitcoin at 0.1% daily, you'd be making 43% a year.  If you were to take their highest paying straight percentage "investment;" 1 billion X10 tokens (https://www.yobit.net/en/trade/X10/BTC) (which Yobit claims to be worth 220BTC) at 12%, after one year you would have 181 quintillion bitcoin.  Seem hard to believe?  That's because it's impossible.

Below is a list of the "investments" they offer which have "action," and their percentages.  

||.Coin	|| Percent ↑	|| Period	|| MinInvest	|| MaxInvest	|| Action	||
||.LIKE	|| 2*(1+Yo/20)%	|| Daily	|| 9000	|| 9000000	|| LIKE/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIKE	|| 2*(1+Yo/20)%	|| Daily	|| 9000	|| 9000000	|| BTC: 10 ds + 0 LIKE sells	||
||.X10	|| 0.12	|| Daily	|| 10000	|| 1000000000	|| 10 Yo Tokens	||
||.LIZA	|| 0.1	|| Daily	|| 2	|| 10000000000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIZA	|| 0.1	|| Daily	|| 2	|| 10000000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.SKYMAX	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 50000	|| 50000000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.SKYMAX	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 50000	|| 50000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.LAMBO	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 230	|| no	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LAMBO	|| 0.04	|| Daily	|| 230	|| no	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.TRIX	|| 0.03	|| Daily	|| 500	|| 2000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.LIMBO	|| 0.03	|| Daily	|| 270	|| no	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIMBO	|| 0.03	|| Daily	|| 270	|| no	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.AIR	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.AIR	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR: 10 ds + 0 air sells	||
||.PONY	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 10000	|| 20000000	|| 2 Yo Tokens	||
||.SEX	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 0.1	|| 4000	|| SEX/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.SEX	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 0.1	|| 4000	|| BTC: 20 ds + 0 sex sells	||
||.LIZUN	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 800000	|| 10000000000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.LIZUN	|| 0.02	|| Daily	|| 800000	|| 10000000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.AIR	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.AIR	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 1	|| 100000	|| AIR: 10 ds + 0 air sells	||
||.NAX	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 1000	|| 20000000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.PANDA	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 700	|| 14000000	|| 0.1 Yo Tokens	||
||.BTC	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 0.01	|| 1	|| 25 Yo Tokens + 200? Frog	||
||.BTC	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 0.01	|| 1	|| + 60? Panda + 400 Sex + no sells on Yo pairs	||
||.YOBIX	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 500	|| 5000	|| YO/BTC: 10 buy trades	||
||.YOBIX	|| 0.01	|| Daily	|| 500	|| 5000	|| BTC: 10 ds	||
||.YO	|| 0.002	|| Daily	|| 0.5	|| 1500	|| YO/BTC: 20 buy trades	||
||.BTC	|| 0.001	|| Daily	|| 0.1	|| 10	|| BTC: 10 ds + 100 000 Frog + 30k Panda + 200 Sex	||

Gambling project is not forbidden because no risk wins everyone ;)
Airdrop made "forbidden-ponzi-morality"😂

The Vite 240 I bought last week went down to 140 satoshi. Extra didn't give anything. Tron gives regular btt and wink every month.

Yobit not counting my messages now. Because I didn't use the new signature.
Thank you to Yahoo for your efforts ...
PLEASE SAY AN AUTHORIZED IN THE FORUM
Is this a penalty for the new signature?
Hundreds of members who share the same fate as me are waiting for your reply.


Do not leave the members who respect the rules unanswered

Thank u

I changed signature, but i think we need clear some things before promote invest box. the problem is that all % for invest box are really hard to believe and i reffer here for bitcoin investments and the main problem is that Yobit should stop cryptotalk signature campaign and start the new one but only if theymos accept it here and yahoo62278 still want to manage it.

And the problem which occur is that a coin now have a price and invest on it and after 1 week or 1 month or 6 month the price drop to 1 satoshi and now cost 23 satoshi, there is huge risk for people to lose all of what they invest on but is their choice.  Bitcoin now cost 7320 usd, and someone buy 10 bitcoin and tomorrow bitcoin price drop to 1000 usd and that guy panic sell it he get 10k usd while he invest 73200 usd, so he lost 63200 usd.

But is hard for people to believe they can get 1% on bitcoin for investing some coins. This is similar to other exchanges that have invest box and are proved scams or have scam accusation against them. If i'm wrong prove it.

Edit: My posts are also not counting even if wear this new signature the posts count now but still wait to get things clear to know if continue with this campaign or no

As an active user of this exchange, I cannot pass by. I have been trading for 2 years - there have never been problems. I can say with confidence that this is not a pyramid, not a HYIP, not a Ponzi. And I agree with msg above from Yobit.

InvestBox really has a special fund for paying percents, in other words - "Staking" like on Binance. One evidence of this is that funds are being spent. Yes, I have repeatedly received error message "No coins."
After replenishing these funds, users will again be able to invest their coins to receive percents. I add that users can easily close their investments at any time without losing anything.

I cannot really give a good answer currently. Waiting on responses to a few more questions I sent the Admin. The biggest of those being are they willing to change the sigs and The investbox if I invest 1btc and buy 10x tokens. If I collect my % daily for a week will my tokens still be worth 1btc when I sell them? Or will my tokens lose value and I lose a big chunk of the invested btc?

I have changed their thread to what they asked for now. Users have to make their own choice at this time. I cannot say 1 way or the other if participants will be tagged. I will say I don't agree with tagging them at this point due to the fact that we are all ignorant on how it works.

I watched the video and there was not a real explanation of how things work. Just an FYI on how to make the investment. No answer on the actions that need performed to collect your % nor no info on if you lose your ass on your initial investment.

No matter what users are going to say Yobit is a scam exchange. They should also include every other exchange in that assessment, but nothing I can do about that. If yobit decides to switch up the sigs a bit I will likely continue looking over the campaign.

This is all I can say until I get some answers

Thanks Master for answering
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With all due respect


STAFF-ADMIN-MOD
Is this signature forbidden?

Yes? or No?


If it's not forbidden, I'il use the new signature. Nobody can do a dick.
I'm not asking fake moral guards, Introducing the gambling project etc...

It's not called GamblingBox, is it?

Stop with this "not forbidden" nonsense. Scams are "not forbidden" on this forum, it doesn't mean that you should promote them.

When Yobit introduces Cryptotalk to us here I just knew this project is going to be a long term marketing strategy, because they have abide on some of the requirements here, getting a reputable bounty manager to oversee how the campaign will run on this forum.
So expect changes of the platform that they are going to present, they might introduce Ponzi, MLM Dice GAME or new IEO.
If any of the platform or project that they are introducing goes wrong all the succeeding project that they are going to introduce in this campaign
will not be welcome and rejected.

Investbox is a project that has been existing for quite some time, and many have invested in it if you are a Yobit user you know what I mean I received an invitation to invest here also.

They just want to promote it extensively, to wrap up let's give this Investbox chance and if they screw up that's the end of their marketing arm here in this forum.

So far they done well in Cryptotalk so it's 1 plus for them.

This is just my opinion and bounty hunters should be the one to choose if they want to promote it and not rely on managers or fear of being tagged, people here are tagging on two reasons, FACTS AND OPINION

Note : I expect to get tagged hopefully only on facts, and not because they think I deserve it, my other account has full of tagged based on their opinions.

Why would you want to lose track of the mixer?
What do privacy-oriented projects target?
Is the gambling project too innocent?
Tron gives wink-btt, trillion supply projects
AND ARE YOU ADMINE?

The other side note is the required dice rolls for the investments to be valid, etc...

the house surely always wins.

People who trust yobit with a large sum of value;  are equal to someone handing a homeless man the same value in cash to hold while you go across the street to use the restroom.

Admins don't moderate scams. Take responsibility for your own actions, stop looking for someone to tell you what to do.

So almost all the projects scam because they lose all of them for 2 years.

The project I bought last week fell by 50%.
I'm looking at Yobit X10, 120% up.
https://yobit.net/en/trade/X10/BTC

So really, tell me how you know Yoshit's coin went up 120%.  Oh, it's because Yoshit told you so?  Were you dropped on the head as a child? 

I seriously can't believe the Turkish community voted this moron into DT1.  It's a wonder he learned how to breath.

Shitposters are raiding..


I've played with yobit since their very beginning, it has always been greasy and got real greasy when they basically just paid for spam here..

I've had atleast one account banned there but have never lost money to them other than me being stupid and not checking their wallet statuses before attempting arbitrage..

They have always been a scamcoin exchange since opening.. The worst of the worst coins to make it onto any exchange..
I am not surprised at all that they are offering get rich quick schemes that obviously won't work out well in the end, or shilling hyperinflating coins that just print and print to pay these interest rates or staking..

You know how many high inflation stake coins I have seen shilled and then go to zero?
This is why I lost interest in any new coins for the most part, a long time ago..
It's gross and gives crypto the bad reputation that it has..


I think even the signature for the yobit forum was greasy..
So this forum (bitcointalk) bans you for spamming advertisments, so you go make your own forum, and then advertise the spam forum on bitcointalk?
Greasy AF.. Do you have no loyalty to this forum?


I agree..
It was greasy the entire time..
Most disgusting signature on the forum, to advertise another forum by a company that was kicked off this forum for their disrespect of this forum..

The likely "ponzi" has been there on yobit for quite some time no?
Now all of a sudden it's bad to advertise for the company because it is directly linking to their "ponzi", rather than just indirectly linking to their "ponzi" through their competing spam forum?

I have also been thinking "Yobit is just an exit scam waiting to happen" for a long long time and am truly surprised they still exist..
That was about my first and only impression of them ever.. They must be doing something right though because they haven't exit scammed yet..
I think they specialize in taking the dumbest of dumb money and must be good at it..


As for theymos.. I think theymos should be left out of this or atleast don't appeal to his authority to make the final decision here..
theymos may offer his opinion but I highly doubt he wants to be the decision maker on things like this..  

Look at all the things theymos has done to try to put the decision making into the hands of the community, even enduring some absolute BS for that cause..

DT should decide this..
 
I don't really know because I would have voted NO to the cryptotalk campaign in the first place due to their past disrespect and banning, so my vote is still basically the same, and I'm not sure if this new signature is any worse than advertising for their forum..
Shitposters do really want to get paid and all.. Think of the poor shitposters that now won't be able to feed their families :'(


Hopefully their forum took some of the shitposters away from here at the very least..
Have them all..

I am just now finding out about Yobit's shady business dealings today. I didn't even realize they had a Bitcointalk account.

It's interesting that people will give zero flak to anyone that suggested Yahoo support the Cryptotalk campaign or the moral high superiority of "stopping spam" trying to play moderator. If that makes me hypocritical, I would assume that makes everyone else hypocritical who wore a Cryptotalk signature too, including Yahoo. Yes, no one likes spam. It would not be hard to report to the mods all the spam and ban the posters as a community effort. If you all knew this was a ponzi to begin with, why were these points not brought up before the changing of the signature to all participants of the campaign including the manager? Why would people advise Yahoo to even support the campaign instead of letting spammers spam and having theymos ban the campaign outright? Promoting Cryptotalk.org is not the same thing as supporting a ponzi scheme. I said this before and I'll say it again. There was a line, and Yobit crossed it. I removed the signature and there are currently users who have chosen not to remove it . That's fine, that's they're prerogative. But there isn't a doubt at this point that Yobit is a scam waiting to happen.

sometimes i want to cry :'( :'(
man stuck in campaign monthly (cryptotalk&yobit), took the money
then suddenly things like enlightenment  :o and morality bla bla bla

WHAT OFFERED TO YOU?

Alternatively - Finds out something is a scam and chooses to continue that scam for the sake of continually taking money. What did Cryptotalk offer you? Let me get some I'll delete all my posts  ::)

What he offers me is this:
advertise, get money
a system that operates all over the world

Awesome. Let me direct you to the fine text that I wrote earlier -


You're more than welcome to wear the signature. I chose not to, and listed my reasoning.

ok i applaud you 8) :-*

You're too kind.

Russian telecommunications Regulator Roskomnadzor has opened a legislative process against the cryptocurrency Exchange Yobit, which accuses fraudulent activity.
Can read the information https://cointelegraph.com/news/cryptocurrency-exchange-yobit-investigated-in-russia-on-fraud-claims

This situation was well expected for me, I know Yobit will start their own exchange campaign eventually. Although everyone know cryptotalk was a part of Yobit, but it was quite different for signature campaign. Everyone leaving their own opinion here, but actually we know the reality. I believe you will even find scam accusation against Binance. So it's not very very big issue for a exchange and just leave that chapter for a while.

Their current advertisement for investbox which is pretty clear of a ponzi scheme. I will never satisfied whatever they will answer about 10% daily return. Only a stupid could trust that 10% daily return isn't ponzi scheme. They have earning even from trading and listing fee, so that scheme could run longer, that's only different from other ponzi scheme. That's only one point I found, but not sure how long will it run.

Personally for me, I don't like to see such as advertisements on the forum. I know nothing will change for my opinion because a major part of signature participants are doing their campaign and tagging them is quite complicated.

I don't wanna force yahoo62278 or their participants to leave campaign, but yahoo62278 should reconsider decision about campaign since it was not a part of contract at the beginning of cryptotalk campaign. I know if you leave they still might control their campaign from their exchange, but it doesn't mean we should give them freedom to advertise such a ponzi here. If you are worried about spamming  then it's the concern of forum admin and moderators, not for DT members. Because we have experienced that admin ban signature for spam reason and it was happend with Yobit.

So if yahoo62278 leave this campaign management then I believe Yobit signature campaign will ban once again. So by leaving this campaign indirectly you will help to ban their campaign from forum. By continue this campaign management will look like we are going to legalise ponzi advertisements on the forum just by preventing spam since we believe yahoo62278 helping prevent spam from their campaign.

Everyone have their own choose, still I didn't think to tag participants, but not sure about future. Likely some DT could take action and its totally depend on every individual person.

Yahoo62278 is well experienced and reputed manager so I believe he will take right decision. Whoever worried about spam, then I will say don't worry, because admin have power to ban and prevent spam. This is the part of admin and moderators job.

Can't this be a sales tactic?

your signature

  PROVABLY FAIRNESS   
DICE   ★   MULTICOLOR
ROULETTE  ★  CARAYCRUZ
.$20,000 WEEKLY.
WAGERING CONTEST
... $5,000 WEEKLY...
BTSLR COIN CONTEST
FORUM + BLOG + SUPPORT
BOUNTIES  ★  EXCHANGE
LOTTERY    ★    AFFILIATES

Do you win constantly?
everyone is stupid and immoral, you r the genius

How InvestBox works is basically this:
1. There's a "special fund" that people are paid from. This comes from Yobit printing tokens in the case of their own tokens, usually coin developers/makers for some other coins, and from Yobit's operating profit for the rest.
2. People deposit their coins, and collect interest until the "special" fund runs out of money. Once the special fund runs out of money, people simply stop getting paid interest. You won't lose your investment, you just won't make profit off of it.

Sounds good, right? Well, Yobit creates a random token every so often, and offers a very high interest rate to try to get people to buy. This week's token is X10 token, which literally has no information and AFAIK doesn't even have a blockchain. People buy the token, invest, get paid 10% interest daily. This lasts for a few days, until Yobit sees enough profit to be made and basically prints tokens to fill all buy orders. They end up with some nice profit in BTC, even after paying 10% interest to early investors who divested. The token then gets stuck with a ton of sell orders at 1 satoshi since all bagholders want to get out and almost no one wants to buy anymore.

Some time later, Yobit moves onto their next worthless token and repeats the process.

Attacking everyone wearing a signature is not the correct route to go here man. Look around the forum and you will find multiple users who are not ok with any signature being shown on the forum period.

If you read the bitsler signature, it does not say anywhere you are guaranteed to win. It is just advertising services they offer, which is all 100% true. They do not guarantee you'll win on every roll or anything.

Where you are catching a little hell is yobit is offering 10% daily through their investbox, which as long as you follow the conditions, i'm sure they pay. The problem is what happens with your initial investment? It's confusing to say the least.

I am hoping yobit takes me up on changing their sigs. I'll know more within 24 hours. Other then the investbox I agree with you as far as advertising for yobit is no different than advertising sportsbet.io, FortuneJack, Bitcasino.io, or many other campaigns that have had multiple scam accusations against them.

Look what i've found about x10 platform https://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/x10-platform-review-automated-trading-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/

https://behindmlm.com/companies/x10-platform-collapses-exit-scam-blamed-on-cryptopia-hack/

I don't believe those are related. Yobit's random new tokens sometimes take the ticker of other more well known tokens. I'm 99% certain this is a new token invented by Yobit for the purpose of dumping (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53425001#msg53425001) once enough people buy.

Yes, exactly a sales tactic. Not just 10%, they will be able to pay even 100% because they will not be paying in BTC (nor in any reputed altcoins) but in their new token.

You invest BTC (or ETH or fiat or any altcoin) to buy some new tokens and they will get you 10% of your holding everyday but value of the token will decrease consistently and at some point it will value less than 1 satoshi and then no one will be ready to buy those tokens.

Look at this trading pair : https://yobit.net/en/trade/EGOLD/BTC
6778 BTC worth of tokens are listed for selling at the price of 1 satoshi and there is no buyer.

For example, people would have bought that EGOLD for the price of 100 satoshi and their holding might have grown 1000 times still they are not able to sell, will you call this a ponzi or a legit business model?

well there's btc pair in it again :D
binance, pundix-bittorent and wink raised btc pair

People are saying it's a HYIP/Ponzi scheme so is it okay to only post in Gambling sections and garbage sections since Gambling section is officially for "Gambling and all "investments" that are so risky they might as well be gambling (HYIPs, pyramid schemes, etc.)"?
 ???

Removed the Cryptotalk signature today, as they have ended the campaign. I am not going to enroll for their signature campaign for the Yobit Investbox, irrespective of whether it is allowed or not.

f-cking altcoins.
they are same, no difference between top100 and yoshit’s tokens.
If you buy tokens which have 10% emission rate daily, you don’t even deserve having own money.
give your money to others and fuck off.

do you believe that your sigs are different from theirs? Because I can’t believe that people are still discussing about these shits.
you are renting your signature space to business corporations (they are not a charity)
so, what are you discussing guys? ;D

gambling sigs, money laundering sigs (yes you are. you know what you are doing. stop behaving as if you have ethic, take your Bitcoins and fuck off) and other shitcoins.

what is the f-cking difference?

Ok, here is my take on this.

When I had to make the decision to join the Crytotalk signature campaign, I thought it was a good idea to promote another Crypto currency based

forum that would also support Bitcoin. The thinking was that the more platforms we have to discuss Crypto currency related material, the better for the

 whole community.

I was away from home for a funeral, so I did not not even know about the recent changes, but when I got back I saw what was happening and I

immediately saw that something was wrong with the new campaign that we were suppose to support.

I did not signup to promote anything other that a new platform for Crypto currency talks, so I removed myself from the campaign. I also feel it is

unethical to do such a campaign flip. If you want to start a new campaign, you should close the old campaign and start a new one.. not piggy back

onto the old campaign.

This looks like a long con, where you pull people in with a legit campaign and then swap to something illegal, once they are hooked.  I am not a fish,

because I can think for myself, so I made the right decision to exit this campaign.

I judge not on the fact if this new campaign is a Ponzi or not, but in the way this was done. yahoo62278 should also not be blamed for this, because

he was also snake oiled into this. (He also tried to do the right thing to manage the spam)  >:(

I don't think that advertising Investbox is significantly different from advertising gambling sites or mixers. We all know how these services work.

If Investbox were ponzi, I would immediately take my signature off. However, I don't think giving away worthless coins is such a thing. In my opinion, this is a marketing tool that helps sell something worthless. Just like the thousands of marketing tricks that we see every day on city streets or in tv ads.

About your post:
Russia is the country where president shows cartoons with russian rockets nuke Florida. I don't think this is good example.

and of course it's strange:
> people butthurting about KYC and AML and when Binance blocking their "shady" funds

>the same people butthurting that Yoibt "is not legal"

-__________________-

About situation with exhange:
This is really weird. But i have free coins from Yobit airdrops and i'm registered on Yobit. I will try to test this service and then will see what is it.


EDIT: Here is a little "unpacking" review of Yobit Invest box

Thesis:
1. Yobit invest box (aka YIB) has it's own "invest plans" where you can "invest" your funds. For some period (montly, weekly, daily) you will get some percent of cashback.
2. Also, you need to make some (mostly weird) actions, for example - "25 Yo Tokens + 200к Frog
+ 60к Panda + 400 Sex + no sells on Yo pairs"   
3. It's not only about free coins, you can "invest" btc, ltc even rur or usd (of course, with needed actions to do, like "buy 100 YOVI")
4. There you have lovely green button "Create new plan", but when i try to create my own plan, i can't do that, because "Attention! Do not create a new plan if you want to earn a percentage. This form is for developers and coin owners only."
5. You can see here screenshot of new plan creation. Creator may add amount of tokens from which "investors" will be refunded (at least, as i understand) but he may left it 0. Not good.

https://i.imgur.com/JthCnEjl.png

Conclusion:
So, it's obvious that this is shill for shitcoins (even invest plans with btc force you to buy some shitcoins)

After a second thought... I think yobit is doing a great job in showing that shitcoins are shitcoins. If some people want to "invest"/gamble on those... why not?

As long as they don't exit scam (something that could happen with any other sponsor at any time) and they fulfil their promises... They make very clear that the interest being paid is not for unlimited time but just while (promotion/advertising) funds are available... after that you can withdraw your (worthless-or-not) tokens + interest accrued.

Want to "invest" in X10 tokens whatever the fuck that is?  Fine, DYOR or just go ahead and try your "luck", maybe you will profit handsomely or, most probably, you will lose most or all. Your money, your call.

It doesn't necessarily meet the definition of a ponzi because they can print more in order to fulfil their promise and allow for everyone to withdraw their "principal" + interest. It's not that they need to pay new entrants with early entrants funds.

Neither a pyramid in a strict sense. Probably a pump and dump scheme in some way but... aren't most (if not all) shitcoins like that?

They don't guarantee any value/price those tokens might have in the future. It's shittokens what we are talking about here FFS. Not even BTC value/price in the future is guaranteed, but even a mediocre "investor" should know what is safer and the wise choice. And again, DYOR.

That being said, changing the signature in the middle of a campaign so that participants need to start advertising a *completely different* product/service doesn't seem like a great business practice but, even then, as long as participants have the right to stop doing it and are compensated until that moment... Well, that's more of bad communications and procedural issue than anything else.

I don't see that MUCH difference between advertising gambling sites or exchanges that support or even promote shitcoins. I have never worn a paid sig though, so I am just talking as a user continuously exposed to that kind of advertising here.


P.S.: To be more clear... No, I would NOT be comfortable with advertising a fucking shitcoin "investment" plan myself even if I needed the money. But that's a completely different matter I am not discussing here.

It's (currently) on the third page of InvestBox:
https://i.imgur.com/LWo9Zti.jpg

That video explains nothing, other than repeating that you can earn 7% a day and it is entirely risk free, which we know is a lie.

Why would the onus fall on the community to clean up after YoBit? If you want your signature campaign not to be banned, it is your responsibility to police it, not ours.

I for one had never heard of "InvestBox" before yesterday, and there was no warning or notice given to anybody, yahoo62278 included, before YoBit change the signature. Regardless, again, it is our responsibility to vet projects on behalf of spammers. If you are going to advertise a product, it is your responsibility to find out what you are advertising.

Thanks for the explanation regarding InvestBox, and having looked in to this a bit more, I agree with your statement I have quoted. I created an account on YoBit to try to find out more about this "X10" token. It's very first trade was on the 19th of this month (so 4 or 5 days ago), where over 1.2 billion tokens (worth over 61 BTC) suddenly materialized out of nowhere. There is no possibility to deposit or withdraw this token, and you are met with errors if you try to do either. There is no information regarding a blockchain, contract address, or anything of the like. This token was created out of nothing by YoBit and is being sold to "investors" for BTC. Even if they pay out 10% interest of their token as they claim, "investors" will be massively out in terms of BTC. This is a downright scam.

Neither gambling sites or mixers advertise guaranteed risk free returns of 10% daily. They are in no way comparable.

Except they aren't giving them away. They are selling them to people for BTC, and then keeping the BTC for themselves and paying the interest in more worthless tokens printed out of thin air that will never be able to be sold.

To everyone asking for theymos'/yahoo62278's/mods'/etc approval: Take some damn responsibility and think for yourself. You want all the money of advertising this scam without any of the repercussions that come with it. If theymos told you to go and take out a loan and not pay it back, would you do it?

Clearly, yes.

I myself never new about the allegations against Yobit until doing a bit of further research today after the new signature came out. I knew of late payments during the campaign and that was about it. Proper criticism would not be to claim anyone that now removes the signature is hypocritical but rather careless in doing due diligence. I mean, I've removed it now so was it careless not to do research on it? Sure, I'll concede that. Question remains though if default trust members will tag those promoting Yobit's 10X. Kind of a gray area.

My two cents - Revert back to the old signature. I know Yahoo already inquired about it to the admins so hopefully they'll make the adjustment. I personally would not store my BTC on Yobit, but if someone is advertising the forum Cryptotalk.org on their signature, I don't think that warrants an untrustworthy rating.

I can't say for all, but some people see some weird things in statement that someone can promote gambling (where 95 % will lost their money with probability of 100 % ) and they forbidden to promote the same things, just with a different title.
At second, there many people from poor countries, India for example. Where Yobit's 50 dollars per week is really good money (in India some people get 1-2 dollars per day).

Also, many people will get angry for your words, because you telling that with signature that gives you fat income (even for First World like France). The same as everything in real world where fat rich assholes telling poor people to work harder, while their childrens (of that fat assholes) riding 1 million cost cars and will never work at all.

Gambling sites don't claim to be 100% safe:

Maybe the opinions of Yahoo or mods don't matter much but what theymos thinks definitely have value here. Last time when he decided to stop Yobit campaign, nor Yobit nor do the participants were able to do anything. But last time ban on campaign was more inclined by the spamming and not the reputation of YoBit. However, this time Yahoo is maintaining the quality up to certain degree. So it also brings Yahoo's opinion into mix to some degree.

If Yahoo decides to leave quality moderation, this will again initiate uncontrolled spamming. Such campaign abusing may again trigger Theymos to ban the campaign.

I personally think Yobit's investbox is different from HYIP upto certain degree. They are promising returns in respective coin (not Bitcoin or USD conversion) and surely paying the return. But on the moral grounds, it is still wrong to lure readers to click and invest in something which have very-high probability of getting dumped eventually. But we forum members aren't that moral or are we?


I don't know which India did you check but no one here works for 1-2 dollars a day. This amount is too low to even survive in India. Minimum wages for unskilled labors here is $5-7. Also $50 a week or $200/month is not at all a good amount. When converted to INR, it comes out to be 14K Indian Rupee which could hardly cover your rent, food, conveyance/vehicle fuel and children's school fees for the month.

Initial investment, isn't it?


I tried out there BTC investment (monthly interest which require no holding of any altcoin since it like staking my BTC for sometime and i believed it pretty save since i won't be pay with altcoin). However, still can't provide the right answer now though but we have to wait for the Yobit respond about the safety of investors initial investment.
https://i.imgur.com/VKsvszD.jpg

Because gambling sites openly state what their odds and house edge are. YoBit is promising impossible risk free returns. The two are not comparable.

The money is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's a dollar a day or one hundred dollars a day - these users are promoting a scam.

I don't buy this. So we're saying that these users are quite happy to promote a scam, unless they think it might get them banned? This is not trustworthy behavior.

Two problems with this. Firstly, they do indeed offer 15% weekly returns on BTC (see my previous post). Secondly, they say your investment is "100% safe", which is categorically a lie if they are paying you in worthless tokens they print out of thin air which you can never sell.

The yobit investbox is a problem because the community doesn't like and even hates ponzi schemes. I'm not saying that the investbox yobit is Ponzi, because I didn't do the testing. Anyone who wants to promote ponzi then he will have severe consequences which usually accounts will be given redtrus as a sign that the ponzi scheme is prohibited and also not liked by the public. What about gambling, gambling has caused harm to many people, there is even quite a lot of news stating that gamblers are arrested for not paying off debts, killing for money, poor because they run out of money all because of gambling and there are also cases of suicide due to gambling. How can it be approved in this forum? could I called gambling site with scheme and more dangerous than investbox, with Gambling you can loss your money one second.

Let me share a real story.
I was hired by 0xDark for managing their telegram community. After working with them for the 1st week, I realized they are shady. I have quit the job although they were paying me good amount, more than 3x of my current pays of Venapi telegram community management.
They had the same also, investbox in Yobit. The truth is, they dumped their coin in the face of its investors. Created the hype by offering this investbox rewards.
What I have understood, this investbox is a mutual agreement of the scam project owner and Yobit to scam beginner level investors money. Yobit make money, DEV of the project make money, investors get fucked.

Reading this thread and some other threads I see some users arguing is 10% daily (or whatever they are offering) ponzi or not, well, if it looks like a duck swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it probably is ponzi. Someone who is wearing "buy x10 and get 10% daily" is directly advertising pyramid scheme, question to campaign manager @yahoo what makes X10 better than arbitao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4467190.0)? What makes it better than bitconnect or any other scam coin? Really nothing. And to be honest, I couldn't find any info about this token, it is like they are selling air under the name X10, and promising 10% more oxygen daily.

Yes, the two can't be compare and i believe everybody on this forum understand how gambling site done their activities. Besides, the last time i checked they recognized by some governments.


I don't support their investment nor work for them but we still can't be sure if they are lying when they said "investment is 100% safe" and i think we should wait for their representative respond to last question asked by Yahoo about the initial investment.

For last couple of month Yobit related topic has been so common and there is no way to deny that every time issues are creating due to the activity of Yobit authority. Many of our community members already shared their own thought about Yobit and their new creation "INVESTBOX". I dont think there is much left to describe but i think we should come to an conclusion for the regular rising issue of "Yobit". We shouldn't underestimate the decision of forum admin  theymos who have already banned Yobit previous signature campaign and as a result lots of participants were banned too. After some days they came with another way to run "cryptotalk (Yobit panel)" signature campaign and this time luckily they got one of the popular campaign manager (Yahoo62278) to take their management work. Most interesting thing is that this time their planning wasn't too far from their old campaign. Anyone can understand that they were trying to make big amount of posts per day by using a big number of participants. Although their campaign manager Yahoo62278 took some necessary steps to stop spamming and tracing shit posters and undoubtedly it wasn't too easy to control the whole things.  

Personally i don't think it was a bad decision to take their campaign management work but after having Yobit new feature of "INVESTBOX" its time to rethink again. Yeah its true that there is some ongoing campaign who have negative feedback on their official account but i think matter of "Yobit" is kinda different from others. There is lot more crypto related platforms who are running live campaign on bitcointalk and most of their participant selection & range of available slots is nearly simillar but Yobit was different from everyone and still same. Already "Darkstar" described the whole investment process of Yobit's new creation "Investbox" and i am agree with his description.

Best part is that the word "Yobit" has been the mostly used and common for last couple of month and its an automatic promotion which needs no weekly payment.  

I understand your point but don't you think you're somehow taking this too far and the conclusive message posted by Yahoo about this kind of situations is that "Attacking everyone wearing a signature is not the correct route to go here man. " (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53425014#msg53425014)

I'm sick of the hypocrisy of people. Let them see what they have. But I want to put hypocrisy in their faces. Don't let the gambler, the sex site, the mixer come and teach me morals.

It is not hypocrisy because you aren't being criticized simply for wearing a signature. You are being criticized for wearing the signature of a scam.

You're totally correct about coming to a conclusion and i guess we all agreed that almost all exchangee site have scammed their users at a point with the inclusion of some gambling site either but with Darkstar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53425001#msg53425001) explanation about the investment procedure this seems not to be scam. Meanwhile, if we want the justice to preserve we need the Yobit need to answer every question asked especially those wrote by Yahoo which were asked maturely and professional rather than them providing a video which didn't explain what will happen to the money invested by investors.

You forgot to say, 15%/week plan, the minimum investment is 50BTC.
I'm very curious who is so brave to send that amount of money to Yobit.


I have one suggestion for you. Invest your weekly profit from Yobit signature in his InvestBox and write here your personal experience.

Maybe Russia isn't best example, but my post was response to post above, that if legally operating exchange would do such things like Yobit do, their owners would be imprisoned. But in reality, in Russia nobody knows who is owners of Yobit.
And I don't see people butthurting about legal status of Yobit. It's all about shady things they are doing.

Did I tell you to gamble the money you made?

Oh dude, just don't write such things, it looks too pitty. If someone says to me in real life "the money is irrelevant/doesn't matter/this is just a paper" i mostly ask him to give me all his money. For now, noone agreed to do such things  :)


It's a funny story:
My cooworker was from India. And one day, after teambuilding picnic we washed our plates. He looks a bit confused, and i asked him if it the first time when he washed something by himself. He answered "Yes, in India my family have service staff which is in fact another poor family and we pay them 1.5 dollars per day"

Maybe not he best way to tell about all India, but i doubt that 200 dollars in nothing in all India. Maybe in Deli or something like that it is not money, but in other part of country.


Ok, i understand you  :)

It seems that Yobit will be the next big heist of Bitcoin, and users are too distracted about earning money to realize.

Well, at least this discussion has opened our eyes to the users who have morals, and those that are willing to lie down their morals for gain. The moderators, and Yahoo's opinion matter not, and even theymos' doesn't matter on this particular issue. However, what you decide for yourself does matter.

You either choose to continue earning a good living with Yobit's shenanigans or you keep your respect. I don't think you can keep both. Also, no one here is blaming Yahoo, and I'm not sure why users are even mentioning that fact. No one here is calling out Yahoo. Its quite clear that Yobit have terrible customer support, and communication even with someone they have hired.

Considering that its a law to offer customer support here in the UK, and they are willing to put that so low on their priority list speaks volumes. The whole company is unprofessional, and all they care about is earning a quick buck as evidenced by this InvestBox shit.

Are you guys not concerned how they have operated by dropping this investment scheme on their campaign manager without Yahoo being notified? They have directly put Yahoo's reputation under the microscope because if we didn't know better we would have been asking a lot more questions instead of defending Yahoo. If I was Yahoo, I'd be extremely pissed off with how they've suddenly dropped a new project which Yahoo doesn't agree with, and have acted like its no big deal.

As for Yobits exchange. You may have had a positive experience with them, but the company has shown that they are willing to operate a  shitty project on the side, and by that indication I personally recommend you don't support it, and stop using their exchange as well.

Their whole operation would not be allowed to operate in several countries due to the way they go about business. I've mentioned that its a requirement for businesses to offer customer support, but it seems that they barely offer that. I can't believe how lazy they've been in announcing a new "project" with InvestBox, and all they initially gave was a paragraph saying its not a scam, and there's a special fund where everyone is 100% getting paid. That is ridiculous.

I disagree completely. It does matter. Your morals should come before anything, and earning money, and advertising this scam is going to hurt a lot of users in the future.

No matter what one's moral views are, a BTT user should not be penalized for promoting one of the most well known crypto exchanges.

Many crypto exchanges are engaging in unethical practices like fake volume, pump & dump schemes, shitcoin IEO's, etc. and yet they are still highly popular because they also manage to fulfill some really valuable duties like market efficiency and liquidity.

As numerous users have already noted, an analogy can be drawn between promoting Chipmixer and Yobit's InvestBox:

you can choose to be a smart investor and use Investbox to make 0.1% on your BTC monthly without ever investing in any of the shit coins, or you may choose to be a gambler and pursue some short term wild gains in the massively inflated shitcoins (similarly Chipmixer service can be used for illicit activites, yet the marketer cannot and should not be held accountable for a potential abuse of a service that has other net benefits to the ecosystem)...

I agree the wording of the signature can be revised to be more honest, but trying to frame hundreds of Cryptotalk / Yobit participants would be one of the most harmful things this forum can do to herself and its user base...

Stop kidding.
What about your morality?
Yoshit or mixers, what is the difference?
I know many scammers who scammed people by using Bitcoin mixers in our country.
Bitcoin mixers and Yoshit,  both are part of the Bitcoin/Crypto ecosystem.

I'm not sure how you can make this comparison. Chipmixer, can be used for illicit purposes yeah. Just like Bitcoin can, and cash can. I'm assuming you're referring to money laundering. However, we all use Bitcoin, and we all use cash. Chipmixer is a anonymity service which could potentially be used for illicit purposes, but so can cash.

Where as InvestBox have a special little fund somewhere, and are guaranteeing users that they will profit. Which is likely true in the early days of these tokens, and Yobit will continue "printing" these tokens off until they have earned enough profit before moving onto the next. What happens to the investors? They lose money, and users stop investing while Yobit push another token. Many users will end up losing money.

Also, we aren't trying to frame anyone. We are advising against changing your signature to InvestBox. If you have previously advertised Cryptotalk I don't care frankly.

Yobit controls when they stop supporting a coin, and Yobit knows that this will hurt many of its investors. Without any moral conviction they will move onto their next token, and promote that with 10% interest, and the whole process starts again. They'll continue supporting it until they believe it'll earn more by promoting a new, and exciting token. Investors will try to jump in early this time because they know the coin will be dropped eventually, and investors will be looking to get rid of the coin until it eventually reaches 1 satoshi, and no one buys it.

You know many scammers that have scammed using a Bitcoin mixer? Give me some examples? Chipmixer allows users to mix their coins for privacy, and nothing more. If users are using the service to money launder that isn't the fault of Chipmixer or any other mixer for that matter or any other currency. Cash, has been known to be used for money laundering yet we don't all stop using cash on a daily basis.

Chipmixer promise no one that they will be earning interest, and will get money from a special fund. Chipmixer simply allows its users to have privacy. How is a service that allows privacy the same as one that is encouraging early investors to make money, knowing that they will make the decision to stop supporting a coin, move on to the next, and leave their investors getting hurt. They are going to be making the active decision to move onto the next token to earn more money.

Great post Welsh..


Yobit has thouroughly disrespected our forum for a very long time..


Yobit has bee at this game of setting up "investments" of the dumbest of dumb money for a very long time and just completely screwing investors out of their BTC.

For all that haven't been around for the history of Yobit, have a little history lesson here -   [ANN] YOVI - Yobit Virtual Coin - First Raise Only Market is Open! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1108063.0) (2015)

They are a vacuum sucking the coin from inexperienced crypto users, taking advantage of them with these sorts of schemes, and this is nothing new..

That..

Definitely and for the safety of the future sake was the reason a lot of members of this forum are trying to make the investment offered by Yobit is not Ponzi and i think the reason why this lead to a huge arguments was the previous accusation of Yobit, how the investment was announced and no in depth explanation of things.
I supported what you said about communication either through support or their representatives on here because information and honestly is very vital in very business setting and Yobit should make it their priorities.

Any investor who sees an instrument / scheme / crypto is offering 10% daily should be responsible enough to walk away knowing that such an interest rate cannot be mathematically sustained without total devaluation of the traded product...

On the other hand, offering interest rates for BTC holdings is a legitimate benefit, which the invest box also seems to provide, and no one has come forward in years that Yobit has stolen from the accounts or anything criminal like that; thus the exchange's continued popularity...

Not to mention there are free coins and various other bonuses offered by Yobit, obviously other promotional tactics to market their brand...

It shouldn't be a categorical offense to promote an exchange that is providing some valid services, simply because some other fringe products it offers are highly likely to lead to investors losing money...

Log in to -edited link- (and many more) and see why people use Bitcoin mixers. (You already know that)
Buying meth? cocaine?
AK47? Granade?
Get drugs in order to concantrate on your lessons like Ritalin/Concerta or Adderal? (I edited this part)
Buy credit cards?
get BTC by blackmailing people and use mixers in order to be anonym or not to get caught.
Or you can buy whatever you want.
You chip guys please don’t talk about other signature campaigns.

As I told you, X10 or f-cking shitcoins at TOP100 aren’t different.
and, there is no difference between Yoshit ans Bitcoin mixers.
Both are part of the Bitcoin/Crypto ecosystem.

But, Yobit have actually gone as far to say that "Everyone will get paid" which is not true, and they know that isn't true. Usually, when you invest in something in has the potential of going up because its an actual promising idea. However, here Yobit are highly likely to just drop the token whenever they want, and promote another to start the process all over again.

Promoting their exchange? I think I'm fine with users promoting their exchange as despite some complaints here, and there I don't think they have been outright scamming anyone. Although, I'd probably advise against using their exchange personally, but that's for personal reasons against a company that is operating this little side gig of theirs which I'm not going to hold others to the same values.

Promoting their InvestBox? Yeah, I am absolutely going to encourage others to not advertise that.

Okay, so you use a mixer for buying things that are illegal. Okay, I'm assuming you use Tor or a VPN while doing this. Are we going to outright claim that anyone advertising Tor is lacking of morals? I don't know about you, but I don't use Tor for the "darkweb" or anything malicious. I use it when I want privacy. I've recently gone into this. I've used my home IP address on this forum because I trusted theymos with that information, yet since becoming a moderator I've had to use Tor Browser, and VPN's when visiting external links that are in reports. That doesn't mean I'm encouraging the use of malicious acts with Tor, and I have advertised, and encouraged others to protect their privacy with the likes of a VPN, and the Tor Project.

We could have this discussion all day long about morals. We are all going to have our own moral compasses, and I'm not blaming users if they're conflicted here, and that's why many users are trying to offer their input. However, comparing Chipmixer with an investment scheme promising that everyone gets paid is like comparing the black plague with a common cold.

Mixers don't usually advertise that their customers will earn interest, neither do they advertise the fact that you can use it to money launder. They advertise you have a right to privacy, just like the Tor Project, and VPN's. Here's an example of why I would personally use a mixing service. If you're a user on  a public forum which has posted an address with a lot of Bitcoin in, then you could potentially become a target to hackers or even physical threat if your identity is known. This is where you can use a mixer to mix your coins to different addresses.

For honest, it's very complicated topic. Of course, it's too easy to give something labels or tell full of pathos words something like "Your morals should come before anything". Do this people (who still promoting Yobit) taking someone to invest funds in InvestBox by force? No. They just advertising such things. The same with gambling on that forum and evens bookmakers like Sportsbet.io (i know how bookmakers works very good. If you're winning too much, they mostly blocking your account and take your funds to themselves). It's shitty to tell "Oh, gambling is fair with their advertisement" because it is not. At least, i don't see any BIG RED BANNER with words something like: "In a one row, you have winning chance 50 %, but to win 3 times in a row you need to be enough lucky, because chance of winning is 15 %. And in fact, in long term you will lose all your money to us"

I'm looking on result, this is what i mean. In both cases you losing your money. And in both  cases you give your money to them by yourself.
Also, you can see how morality changes. For example, for you it's normal to advertise mixer, but for Blacknavy - it's not. But i doubt that you will be happy if he will tag you (in his view it's normal to tag you, i think you understand this moment).



For honesnt, you can read this article : https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/chainalysis-most-mixed-bitcoin-not-used-for-illicit-purposes
Which states: @Most Mixed Bitcoin Not Used for Illicit Purposes@


Protecting yourself is good. At lest, bying AK47 doesn't mean that person is bad. It depends for what reason you're buying it  :)

Who cares percentages? (I’ve already knew)
You don’t understand the main idea.
They are part of the Bitcoin ecosystem.
You can’t forbid one of them.

Blacknavy has good points but lets not be hypocritical because selling illegal AK47s here would probably get you tagged to heck, banned, and posts deleted..


Doesn't mean it's immoral to buy an illegal AK47, or some Cocaine, but not on this forum..

Who told that this website is illegal?
It is forum but you can find illegal things if you search.
You can find illegal things on Google, too? But I edited.
Thanks.


No, it’s normal for me as well.
I’ve used Chipmixer and Wasabi more than 50 times and I recommend people to use bitcoin mixers to stay anonym.
But I don’t see any difference amongs signatures.
They are not a charity, they are business corporations.
If people can’t use their brains before investing, there is nothing to do.

I do believe your morals should come before anything. However, I admit we are all human, and we will be conflicted. This is why there's a massive difference in opinion here. What I was referring to when I initially made that post is everyone waiting on Yahoo to make the decision, and not themselves. This to me from an outside point of view is admitting that there is likely an issue here or something they aren't certain about, but are willing to ignore it if Yahoo believes its fine.

This wasn't directed at users who are against my personal views. That's fine, and as I said we all have our own moral compasses, and they do change over time. I actually don't like gambling where the house has a edge, but that's the world we live in. Most gambling sites like you said will block your account if you're costing them money. Which, isn't a level playing ground in the first place because they are more than willing to take money from you. I think P2P gambling with no blocking of accounts is a more moral approach to this. I don't care if gambling sites take commission for offering a secure way of doing this.

You also don't see me or any other users going around, and red tagging users. I've never said I'm going to go, and paint the town red to whoever advertises this service. I talked about respect, and I probably would lose respect for those that are advertising InvestBox.


Well yeah, if you use drugs, and dispose of them correctly then honestly that's your life. If you start leaving needles around the place, then I would say you're morally misguided. Same as with guns. You can own a rocket launcher, and a tank for all I care. As long as you aren't shooting up people.

They're out of Russia to the best of my knowledge, and I have no idea how Russia regulates crypto exchanges if they even do at all.  You never know with that country when it comes to crypto.  But the main problem is one of transparency as far as I'm concerned.  It would be so easy for Yobit to just run away with everyone's money if nobody knows who's running the show, and nobody does know.  That's why I stopped using them for trading a long time ago.

Changing the signature from the cryptotalk one to something that's all Yobit is not cool IMO.  It's like they're trying to restart the Yobit signature campaign through some shady backdoor maneuver, and even if Yahoo62278 is still managing it, it's still not cool.  I'm not sure if the investbox thing is a scam or not, but drawing new members to it will probably make it into a Ponzi scheme in no time.

Alright, I´ve read enough. It was and is a shady exchange (amongs many) which I personally never had a problem with, but neither did I need their support.

Anyway I don´t feel it´s the right thing for reputable community-members (at least for myself) to actively promote Yobit´s investment-box with "not enough" transparancy/details about it which might lead to losses to newbies when they get blinded by "X10" "100% safe returns".

Thus I am out of this from now on and rather promote nothing or the "always good to support"- charity-campaign.

Merry Christmas to everybody! Cheers

Every business is out of Russia (in meaning headquaters, countries of registration), of course if it don't have strong goverment and police protection (russian word - кpышa, "нac кpышyют") or don't want to give everything it has to FSS (FSB) (this happened to WEX.IO). This is a little spoiler from me, don't thanks  :)


Something like that:
https://i.imgur.com/BpEgWwZs.jpg


Ok, i understand what do you mean, man  :)

Merry Christmas to all of you (even for those who still advertising investbox)  :-*

I mean, writings, words, paragraphs, pages...
What's the result, friends?

What did the bitcointalk.org management make?

Prohibited or not

If it's not forbidden, I'il keep wearing the signature.
If not, I will accept the decision

Whether you like it or not, Yobit is a big Russian exchange and is used by many people. I do not personally support, I do not even wear the signature, but I'm against criticism of the yobit when many different useless/harmful altcoins are promoted by the community.

I don’t see any difference between giving 10% extra shitcoins daily and selling %8 of total tokens with 600% emission rate (https://launchpad.binance.com/en/lottery/4a5a210c21ee42078dd0bc67b44b75ac) in IEO.

I just wanted to share my opinion.
I’m out of the this topic now.

All the best.

There is huge difference between obvious ponzi scam coin and some other altcoins. You just can't put everything in the same basket.

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https://i.imgur.com/OpQL5Bl.png

https://i.imgur.com/gibexuk.png

How to exchange EGOLD?

https://i.imgur.com/Tucmz0i.png

How to withdraw X10?

I don't trust the judgement, trust ratings or trust lists of anyone who facilitates scams by advertising them, or uses weasel words to justify doing so.
Y'all do what you want and own it.

Come on, you know that most of altcoins will be dead in the future and buying altcoins is similar to gambling. It includes high-risk. Yobit just provides a crazy service to crazy people who loves gambling. This is a preference. People should use their brains before investing.

All i’m trying to say is, have you ever seen a signature and suddenly think like “oh i should definitely invest on this project” ? I don’t say lets promote all the shit in the market but i just think people should start using their brain before effected by what they see around.

AKA a Ponzi scheme.


Again, if Yobit rebranded their InvestBox into GamblingBox there would be less concern about it. They they didn't promise 10% daily there would be less concern about it. It would still be utter shit but it would slightly less of a fraud, perhaps enough for it to be called a shitty gambling scheme instead of a scam.

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The amount of mental gymnastics employed here to justify involvement in a scam promotion is thoroughly disgusting. I will start adding neutral ratings for anyone carrying this "10% daily" shit in their signature. Luckily for you yobiters you're sufficiently dumb to be considered injudicious rather than malicious so no red tags, for now.

Are you kidding?
30 satoshi will almost! You're advertising more than us! Do you receive a secret payment from Yobit? :D

Yobit and X10 token are spoken everywhere!

Cash can be used for illicit activities. So can the internet. So can mobile phones. So can cars. Why don't we rally against all these things too? There is a massive difference between a legitimate service which is used by some for illicit activities (such as a mixer), and a service which is by its very nature illicit (such as a Ponzi or other HYIP scam).

Similarly, this argument is complete nonsense. Buying groceries and human trafficking are both part of the cash ecosystem. Does that make them equal? Such a comparison is meaningless.

Scams are not moderated, so they are unlikely to make a decision. Stop looking for an excuse you can use to justify promoting a scam. No one else can change your signature for you - this is your responsibility.

Ok 👌 👍🏻👋🏻

now its 23, they are dumping the token.

now its 28 pumping again. its damn fast.  what they are doing?


i opened a warning page this morning; its risky correct. but giving %10 like airdrop, like a bounty. we cant call scam giving a token 10 percent every day.  but there are a truth. entering this situation have high risk of lose money and dangerous. no one can earn %10 every day in btc or in usd.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212100.msg53425716#msg53425716


i know that i will lose money no one can earn %10 daily. but i want to test and show the community.

Page 7 on this one, 5 topics, Christmas Eve, if anyone wants a quick summary, here's one:

https://i.imgur.com/DAQW1Nt.jpg

If they want a "strong promotion" for the Cryptotalk forum then why do they need to change their signature campaign from Cryptotalk  to InvestBox? Why not have a separate campaign for each one of them and not force their existing Cryptotalk participants to change their signature to Investbox? That's what is bugging me on how Yobit without any kind of notice suddenly change their signature campaign. It's like an already existing signature campaign for an ICO project suddenly changes it's course and promote a gambling site which totally doesn't make sense for both the participants and the campaign manager.

Just as you said, I agree to it that they kept alluring users to fell into cryptotalk campaign as it is the only campaign which:

+ Does not need a campaign manager to approve you to enroll in it
+ Pays you every single day (except the days when you cannot send your money to your balance due to wallet not refilled)
+ Needs just 5 shitposts every day to earn you 0.001 BTC
+ You can use alt accounts as well without having to worry about being caught, and even if caught, you can still continue with others, I think there must have been some account deals went through after this campaign showed up.

These qualities made them look trustworthy in the eyes of spammers /s for which they won't hesitate to advertise even the shittiest content that these Yobit guys may write in their signatures



I don't think they needed a separate campaign because they are keeping the source of the campaign as their website only, so it doesn't matter a lot. It should still be like, they should have discussed this shit with Yahoo and the members in their cryptotalk signature campaign to have a mutuality and an agreement of everyone.

what kind of creature are you? you see yourself superior to people. fuck the mind in the mixer

A lot of people in the forum like to refer to a wide range of financial frauds as a 'ponzi', even when the actual fraud involved is very different than a ponzi, and in many instances, the fraud is much worse than a ponzi because it is more complex.

In the case of YoBit, specifically of the x10 coin, or whatever it is called, I don't know if it is a ponzi, or some other type of financial fraud, such as a pump and dump scheme (as they have a history (https://archive.is/d2LAr#selection-317.1-321.118) of), but in either case, YoBit is engaging in material deception (if not for the deception, a reasonable person who believes the lies would not have invested in what they are offering), and at or near the conclusion of the fraud, nearly all investors will lose nearly all of their investment.

Yobit sigs updated to new version. We hope that advertising of our new AirDrop and Telegram Wallet/Exchange will be better option for everyone.

This is not specific to Yobit but as long as the owners or moderators of this forum allow any user to post here to promote their services (including those that are out-and-out scams and those that have a chequered history) then they will continue to return here with the aim of using this forum to dupe more and more unsuspecting victims.

At which point will the owners and moderators change their stance and clamp down on scams, scam promoters and those members making posts and leaving fake Trust to get imbecile inner circle alt-accounts to DT1 and increase fake merit counts?

Ah Yobit drama yet again...
I will open a bottle of good red wine, light a fire to warm up, and enjoy reading 7 pages of constructive conversation  :P

If only it were constructive.

LMAO :D


Oh, it seems they did listen to yahoo62278 and changed their signatures. What now? Their signature campaign continues I guess?

[EDIT]
Just saw yahoo62278's update on this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg53431322#msg53431322), so that answers it.
This just shows that having someone managing this enormous campaign and communicating with Yobit team is far better than having nobody at all (which I think what would've happened if Yobit had not listened).

That's good then but to be honest there's no other perfect person that can moderate the Yobit campaign than Yahoo and i respect his level of maturity/understand.
Let's see if the previous tagged posted will be remove.

All is right in the world once again that easy eh?

Everything is peachy, don't you understand? They advertise telegram bots now, totally unrelated, they are innocent as a lamb.

Yoshit is no longer a scam exchange, they don't have Investbox, fake coins, pump timers, fake volumes, wash trading and coins stuck on old chains. Nope!!! All 100+ threads against them have disappeared or has been positively resolved. How dare we call them Ponzi promoters. Shame on us!

Lol what a farce this is.  :D

I had to laugh at that peachy comment  ;D

https://i111.fastpic.ru/big/2019/1227/e5/ac9f82d25bf7cbd26c567178586c8be5.jpg (https://fastpic.ru/view/111/2019/1227/ac9f82d25bf7cbd26c567178586c8be5.jpg.html)

I buy and sell what I want. money is my money.

That looks great. I can refer you to my uncle in Nigeria, he's looking for astute investors such as yourself.

haha Then the fool who gets the ethereum from 0.015 is stupid!

Yeah, bro because....

If you buy an Ac Milan jersey it doesn't mean you support Berlusconi
If you buy a bottle of Absolut Vodka it doesn't mean you support Putin, (probably because it's made in Sweden)
Just as if you buy a Diablo 3 game it doesn't mean you are a member of the Bill Gates Foundation...

Or any other stupid dumb as f*** comparisons that people will come up to justify instead of openly telling why they do this....it pays!
And we already know, as long as something is giving money people will shill for it, no matter how big of a scam it it.

And yeah, yobit is not a scam because it still hasn't run with everyone's money, yet.
Just like bitconnect and onecoin were legit ...until... ;)

Right. And this random fallacy obviously makes your $15 "investment" totally unstupid.  ::)

You may have overdone it with your desperate attempt to prove something. Nobody cares what you do with your money.

Since you don't care, you've opened dozens of pages and titles and made the event bigger.

The analogies listed are excellent examples.

Somehow those that wish to ignore the claims and evidence against Yobit continue to do so simply (it seems) just to get pennies for promoting their brand. That part used to baffle me but no longer does because for some it seems money is the only thing that matters to them.

Whereas there will always be a long list of forum members willing to do anything for the sake of promoting a brand and making money at all costs, at some point the forum owners will need to take strong action against any individual or project that uses the forum as a tool to dupe potential investors.

yes
you will ban me and those who think like me
or keep up with the market conditions

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.2000

Look, they'll open a flag in meta
run support now

If you mean threads about Yobit and their scams - that's not related to how you choose to waste your money. I wish I could say I'm surprised that you don't see the difference but unfortunately your entire contribution in this discussion seems to be riddled with meaningless deflective shitposts like this.

In a speculative market players are after the opportunity. You speak like a normal market.
A market that falls from $ 1400 to $ 90 in a very short time smells like scam (eth).
A market that falls from $ 20k to $ 3k is all scam (BTC)
A coin that falls from $ 150 to $ 5 is a scam. (neo)
what do you think people should do to survive in this market suchmoon.

People have to make money to stay afloat. what will they do? In a market that has been falling for 2 years, nobody can survive except those who deal with margin.
people live with money, buy bread with money, pay rent with money, pay their bills. what do you suggest here?

we don't live in the dream world, we live in the real world.


https://www.bloomberght.com/altin/altin-ons

this is not a stable market like the gold market! therefore everything is valuable or worthless within its period. If it's cheap, you'il get it, you'il sell it when it's worth. it's called trading.

After reading several posts from you which basically resulted in me not appreciating your style or approach to this whole Yobit subject I am very reluctantly posting this for your perusal as I feel I have no choice now.

It is down to your frequent condescending conduct that the picture you have painted for yourself is not a positive one because you tend to come across as somebody who is willing to say and willing to do anything, effectively is willing to go to any lengths just to defend Yobit and in the process earn money by promoting their very tainted brand. I might well be wrong but my opinion is based on the image you have projected and that is down to you alone.

Keeping that aside, kindly explain why you or anybody else would expect that a user posting views about one project has to by default post like minded comments about other or all projects that are/might be underhanded?

And why does your post allude to the unacceptable notion that just because one project is/might be underhanded, shady or an out and out scam it makes it acceptable to either promote or utilise others because of an all of them do it anyway false justification?

If the market has been falling for 2 years (as you put it) why does that justify you or any other user taking action for promoting or utilising any project that the majority of community consensus simply disassociated themselves with because of their previous record and history?

If ETH fell from approximately $1400 all time high to approximately $90 what has that got to do with you promoting Yobit?

Please can you kindly clarify the specific link you are trying make between any falling or climbing market and any user including yourself displaying a Yobit signature to earn money and thoroughly defending it?

I would suggest to not scam and to not promote scams. Again, your dramatic response has nothing to do with Yobit's ponzi-like investbox schemes. Yobit is supposed to be an exchange, they can make tons of money by collecting fees in their core business but with the help of scam apologists like you they can make even more via fraud.

The coin market has attracted a lot of investments, especially since 2017, in the hope of gaining greater interest and earnings from all over the world. With the summit at the beginning of 2018, the market collapsed and still could not straighten. It is also unclear when this two-year period will end.
The man who bought the $ 1.4 million ethereum now has $ 125k left in his pocket. this man trusted the blockchain and all his money melted.
If you big steal, there will be scandal or corruption.
If you steal small, it's theft.
you are dealing with small thieves, but the big thieves "do not worry so."
Vitalik eth, Charlie lee sells ltc, no annoyance but yobit scam!

https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-fears-vitalik-buterin-selling-90k-eth-as-25m-hits-exchanges
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/litecoin-founder-charlie-lee-sells-his-holdings-in-the-cryptocurrency.html


Does yobit list shitcoin, yes! which does not list?

so what else does yobit do? organizes bounty and encourages people to both crypto and bitcointalk.org during this bad period.
what else is he doing? bitcointalk.org opens up another forum site, though not as much. does not give up! takes initiative, takes risks. spends money on the market, invests. and no one forcibly says "come buy this".

What does binance do?

Binance listed bytecoin last year and restricted withdrawals and deposits. bytecoin binance, which normally does not have a 5-10 satoshi, was released in 2000 sats. then, after 1-2 months, delisted bytecoin, nobody heard his voice. doing regular ieo every month, they all crash. How many times has been hacked, people could not withdraw their money. but binance valid.

mtgox was the world's largest stock exchange, the result?
Sometimes size is not more important than durability.

Cool story. Even if it was relevant and even if it meant what you want it to mean, it still wouldn't explain how the existence of other scams makes Yobit less of a scam.

"100% safe" "10% daily" is fraud.

we always talk the same things. There will be an exchange between market value and rates.

tron announced it would give btt, went up to 850 satoshi.
"I will give you a WINK" to slow down the fall. but fell again, still under 200 satoshi, moreover it is regularly giving btt and WINK! Now all three are falling.
Can you say the same thing about Tron? Tron is a scam?

From $ 14 billion to $ 900 million

I can say that this has zero relevance to the topic of this thread. But you already know that and we're just running in circles now. Have a nice day and keep deflecting.

There are some very insightful comments here by Wolwoo, and also some among his other messages, but because he has been pushed into a corner by people who feed on drama in the forum, he almost always finds himself in a defensive position, and discussions take a very argumentative nature, discouraging many other forum members from participating I'm sure...

I believe when read with a cool mind and unbiased attitude, most people would find great merit in some of the responses here.

No one is contesting that the investbox ad was misleading and had ponzi like components, but in the bigger picture, Yobit's efforts are making considerable contributions to the crypto space, amidst a dark extended bearish period when many participants have already surrendered and gone home to drink tall glasses of milk  ;)...

I don't agree with you that his comments are insightful.
To me they are a facile pseudo analysis, and an example of the mindset responsible for the crap state that crypto in general finds itself. Constructive investment and interest in the sector have evaporated as outsiders have found it to be just another zero sum game, full of liars and parasites.


The implication being that, if one doesn't find any "great merit" there, therefore it's the readers fault for an incorrect approach.


In the bigger picture, imo, the only thing Yobit contributes to considerably is the wealth of its owners.
It does that at the expense of undermining any credibility that crypto may have as an agent of change, by reducing it to some sordid and irrelevant gambling platform.
Sitting up all night chiseling sats out of a rigged shitcoin game doesn't make you a brave wheeler dealing pioneer, just a sad victim of base instincts, which the Yobits of this world are happy to exploit.

I bought it at 21 and 19 and sold it at 22. 5% profit

but if you invested in Investbox, you will earn 10%. that is twice as much as through trade. I don't understand why you don't, it is 100% safe.

I'm a trader, not holders

What's that, only $16? Why don't you sell a house and buy it? Yobit said it is 100% safe and you will get extra room each day.

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Would you please stop spamming the same shilling crap all over the place?

If X10 token listed on the binance, you don't make a sound.

I want to buy & sell
See read the following article, We advertise,
"Yobit exchange" 👇

Bitcointalk officially allows and helps to promote HYIP and Ponzi schemes.
2 sections have officially been designed for this type of gambling/investment.

The Gambling section

The Investor-based games section

So I don't understand how some DT members can red trust you for talking about a coin distributed through a 10%daily bonus airdrop?  ???
I think they are abusing the DT system.
It's something to exclude you from DT members, it's another thing to red trust you for that :
I don't understand how talking honestly about what you think this investment is, could make you dishonest and untrustable  ???

Because everyone's a hypocrite. Yobit or binance, I trust both of them as much as they should. It's nothing but a trade. Both naturally protect their own interests.
Besides, no one here talks about X10. It's about "show of power," "what I'm gonna say" ... NEGATIVE TO NEGATIVE. It's a simple principle...

What does this forum need if everyone thinks the same thing? If everyone cannot express their opinions freely, let one write and the rest read. Even news sites open a "comment" section and receive feedback. Here I am experiencing personal strife in an ordinary Server of a Chinese strategy game. "wauw gave negative -puan, wow gave 50 merit +50 points, wow jumped rank" 😂 nobody is interested in ideas.

Is Yobit promoting this investbox nonsense as gambling or as an investment?

Show us a gambling site that promotes itself as "100% safe" "10% daily" and I'm quite certain it will get red trust.

Not 10% says extra money, 10% says extra token.
Already called X10, why do you blur such an environment?
X10/BTC: 20 buy trades
and no sells on X10 pairs

They have conditions. Is X10 the only coin boosting supply? You know it all, but it doesn't help. So you try to use this token and adjust to people. I hope it's listed in binance.
Go to meta, open a title, ask for a ban, open a flag.
The negatives you give do not have any meaning because the forum has no meaning ...

This is what a random shitcoin from Yobit's Investbox looks like.

Pony Token (PONY) currently being on 1st page giving 2% daily.

https://i.ibb.co/ynWYwSM/pony2.png

No team, no roadmap, no whitepaper, not even a single sentence or any kind of information given.

Fake hyperlinks to Livecoin and Hitbtc as that coin has never been listed there. A $15 smart contract pumped and dumped by Yobit.

https://i.ibb.co/8YxTgjT/yoshitpony.png

The black beast, one of many Ponzi coins listed on Yobit proudly promoted by a horde of spineless shills.

reference links:
https://yobit.net/en/trade/PONY/BTC
https://pony-token.com/

And? AFAIK the coins don’t just airdrop from the air (in 10% batches). They require something, usually for you to spend your money with eletricity bills and expensive hardware. Something to give it value. And what does this have to do with anything?

I honestly can’t believe you really think all of this and isn’t just blindly sucking Yobit due to his money.

Does RIPPLE consume electricity? There's something called Premined.

And Ripple is owned by the banks, thus being one of the coins I hate the most in the crypto ecosystem. And? Keep throwing random stuff at us without actually focusing on what we are saying. Good job, dude.

“But... but... what about DOGE? No! I mean... what about XRP?”, who cares? We are talking about Yobit’s scam coin, that has no utility or even a blockchain. Just a table entry on their exchange database and a ponzi-like scheme made for their own profit.

Is X10 premined? :D

 ;D You captured the image as well as the mood of the anti-Yobit sentiment

A picture is worth a thousand words and in this case the words in the picture are nothing but useless. Look at the state of that PONY trash website. No company LLC/Inc name, no terms and condition, nothing....

There are so many of these fake investment schemes along with fake IEOs operated by fake teams but have their strings pulled by exchanges that are effectively running a racketeering business.

For a long time since the IEO craze started, p2pb2b and coinsbit have been running so many of them so Yobit running scams (some of them are either part of or completely own/operate) should come as no surprise.

Allegations of Yobit operating pumps and dumps are very serious. Allegations of Yobit promoting useless IEOs which they may or not be hidden operator/owner of, are very serious.

They tried to use a long cryptotalk campaign followed by a modification to promote their short lived Investment x10 campaign, then on to the current earn $700 for free for just signing up campaign. Now it all makes sense as to why they were paying out money for users to post and flood this forum with their cryptotalk forum. It was because they hoped thousands would sign up there but Yobit would control the narrative and censor anything they wanted. They intended to display banners promoting their fake IEOs and scam investment scheme.

They also wanted to divide the community between those gullible or greedy enough to promote them whole-heartedly such as wolwoo does on one side and those opposed to the Yobit scam. Thankfully the number of die-hard Yobit promoting and Yobit defending users can be counted on one hand but those users promoting the Yobit signature purely for a making money exercise and could not care less about Yobit are far more.

Ripple dogecoin ethereum etc coins have their own characteristics as well as coins ...
Yes ethereum's have a team and falls down.

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someone says "invest"


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"JollyGood   2019-12-27   Reference   BEWARE: wolwoo is not capable of engaging in a civilised debate. This user should not be trusted under any circumstances.

He is highly irrational, very immature and extremely condescending. He is heavily promoting the scam Yobit Exchange for the sake of a few pennies. There are allegations of him being in a small circle of Trust/merit scammers too."

Someone says, "You're in the band."

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"marlboroza   2019-12-27   Reference   Shilling hard for scam coin, before that users advertised scam coin in signature.

Don't trust anything this account offers you, you might end up scammed."


someone says "$ 16 is not enough-house money to invest"
And then he says, "Stop talking about it."


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If I say, "Yobit is bad, binance is good" this time, "binance's man" they say.
you will in any case blame me


So I'm done with you.

Wow, this is in fact much worse than a ponzi. It appears YoBit is engaging in a pump and dump scheme. What YoBit is doing is very distinct from what a ponzi is, and people wishing to warn others about YoBit should not describe their scheme as a ponzi.

YoBit sells (https://www.yobit.net/en/addcoin/) the privilege to have random coins listed on their exchange, so it is possible it is not YoBit that is creating these shit coins, but they are still profiting from the listing fees and trading fees.

In either case, it appears that YoBit is enticing people to buy what amounts to vaporware with the promise of "risk free" profits. I am not aware of any potential long term value or benefit to owning these coins. These coins do not even attempt to provide any benefit to holders. In the case of the Pony Token, there is literally no one holding the token (https://etherscan.io/token/0xe65A18Ea70aF1F222439325A5040FD3a4eA2c9bD#balances) except YoBit on behalf of their customers.

As far as I know, they didn't promote it as an investment. But as a 10% daily giveaway.  

I'm sorry, but I think you're doing a very unfair and dishonest interpretation by reading in a bad faith way, here.
In fact, the "100% safe" words belong to a sentence.
And the entire sentence is very clear :
InvestBoxes can change status from Active to «No coins», but you can close your investment any time, it’s 100% safe.

They are obviously talking about the investment in the investbox, they are not talking here about your investment in $.
The sentence just means you can't lose your coins, it doesn't mean you can't lose $... How it could promise that while everybody knows bitcoin was at $20 000 2 years ago? ??? Could you explain us?

So if you invest some BTCs in the BTC investbox you'll get 0,1% more in one month without doing anything, and "100% no risk" to lose any of them. There is no risk of default. This is just what it means.

Hello sir, I have already removed signiture from yobit, so please release that trust from me, I don't want to get the red trust, so I strongly ask you to release it immediately

But sir crazy joe, you recently said this:
HYIP aka high yield investment program aka ponzi. They said it is not ponzi:
It is ponzi then.
Giveawaybox?  8)

https://i.imgur.com/4WvEvy1.png

BuyX10firstgiveawaybox?

People usually say scam, but you raised it to another level. You are basically saying if you invest in scam coin you might lose all your money but it is not scam because you can keep scam coins, by all definitions it is a scam then ::)

Does that mean he left the forum for good or does that mean he will not reply to members he listed above?

To be honest he would not exactly be missed if he left the forum or just floated around the Turkish language boards. I think it would be a great moment for the forum if we did not have read his posts which are mostly nothing else other than a promotion mechanism. Here is what happened to his DT1 status after he was willing to go to any lengths to defend Yobit scammers:

wolwoo: -6

Trusted by:
        peloso
        otto_diesel
        bobita
        Vispilio
        AlyattesLydia
   
Distrusted by:
        Timelord2067
        tmfp
        LFC_Bitcoin
        LoyceV
        The Pharmacist
        TryNinja
        JollyGood
        o_e_l_e_o
        morvillz7z
        Coolcryptovator
        DireWolfM14

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1003533.html

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From what I see suchmoon left neutral feedback for you and many others so it does not show as red. He did leave red trust for Yobit which is understandable (I did the same).

Anyway, thank you for seeing sense and removing the Yobit scammers signature from your profile.

I hope suchmoon releases that trust from me.

Except that's not true. If you use bitcoin to buy one of YoBit's completely made up vaporware "coins", you'll get more vaporware "coins" in return which will be worth nothing when you try to sell them and you will have lost all your bitcoin.

Simply removing the signature doesn't change the fact that you were happy to promote a scam and help YoBit steal BTC from other users.

So what can I do to make friends here believe that I no longer want to promote yobit through signiture?

my signature is a prime example.....


Just don't give yobit anything they don't deserve.

I have read this topic since the beginning and what we discuss is about Yobit's Investbox. Most of us agree that Investbox should not be advertised, and neither do I. I brought the old signature of Cryptotalk until a new signature was updated (current signature) and look what we have:
https://i.imgur.com/SCn2mXK.png

This guy leaves negative trust for anyone who is active in Yobit's campaign, no matter it's not the Investbox, even yahoo66278 is the same. I know that everyone is free to express their opinions, he does too, but giving a series of negative trust with anyone in Yobit campaign. Even just Cryptotalk and Airdrop. Is it an extreme action?

i have a similar mark from years back...   it is what it is.

mine comes from no source of rep.. so its nothing in my eyes.

I think suchmoon left neutral feedback for many displaying the Yobit signature and others left red feeback. Each has their own view.

In the end if a user feels that promoting a scam automatically equates to red Trust because the promoter is a scammer too - then that view is accurate to a degree.

If a user feels that promoting a scam equates to neutral Trust because giving the benefit of the doubt maybe the promoter did not investigate for possible scam links before promoting - then that view is accurate to a degree too.

Other than leaving red trust for Yobit and just one Yobit signature promoter (because of his condescending conduct and deliberate misdirection not failure to justify why he was a die-hard Yobit promoter), I did not leave feedback for Yobit signature promoter.

In my view anybody promoting a scam are guilty of being a scam too simply by association but more important than that is the view I hold they are most probably more ignorant than anything else therefore I do not leave red trust for that reason alone. Had signature promoters investigated the facts fully then most would probably not participate in those scam campaigns.

https://i.imgur.com/ISTdkVI.png
etherscan.io

I see that etherscan now accepted their x10 campaign.

Should we think before we give red trust, or now everyone using etherscan should receive red trust?   :P

Some users are giving selective red trust, and they also give green trust to their own alt accounts + some merit gifts....
Ridiculous double standards...

If you believe that X10 is legitimate, go ahead and invest your life savings into X10 for that sweet 10% daily ROI. Pretty soon you'll be a millionaire and you won't have to rely on advertising totally legitimate 100% safe services to earn a few $.

Also, please expose those people giving green trust to their alts rather than complaining about it without any more info.

Are you still drunk from New Years Eve or what?!  ;D

I never said that this is legit at all,
I simply posted what I saw today on etherscan.


Those members are self-exposing every day, and fyi I have talked about it before.
Nobody cares.
Everyone is just making silly 'trust wars'  :P

I thought you were complaining about some people leaving those who promoted the X10 shady "investment" negative trust, no?

Etherscan's ad isn't as bad. They aren't promoting 10% ROI from InvestBox with X10 token, but rather the X10 token itself. It doesn't promise that you'll earn 10% daily; rather, it says that the token has "already made profit" which doesn't give a future outlook claim. My guess is that Yobit aimed for the 10% ROI claim originally, but Etherscan refused and had them reword it.


I don't think an ad on etherscan dictates whether something or not is legitimate. I'm sure people did think about the situation before leaving red trust. This thread complaining about it was made on December 23rd. All trust feedbacks (negative and neutral) that I've seen were left on the 24th or later after people fully understood the situation. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53425001#msg53425001)

There's also a big difference between personally promoting 10% daily ROI, versus linking to one of the most popular Ethereum explorers that might happen to have some (slightly less) bad ads.

Does X10 even have a blockchain? I think no.. Which makes it a bit ironic being advertised by a block explorer doesn't it?

I have no idea what X10 is, and I avoid anything related to Yobit.
All I can see is that they are they are trowing a lot of money everywhere in ads... as they probably desperately need new people

You should understand one thing, no matter whether it has blockchain or not, we cannot interfere. The only thing we know here, is the difference in the way they advertise, no one will argue anything if it doesn't include the words "earn 10% daily". I think Etherscan will not intervene deeply in this matter, they just make sure that their ads are valid

Ok... I will try to understand "one thing".

Huh? If something is so obviously a scam, why wouldn't we be able to point it out?
??? If this coin has no blockchain, and has the same magic words as the other IEO's they did (Moon, Uranix etc), they will probably suffer the same fate- that is = 1 sat after pumping & dumping it.

What are you trying to argue here anyway? That if they didn't use the "10% a day" phrase, everything would be alright? That no one would argue anything? I disagree. I don't think the 10% matters much anyway. It certainly isn’t necessarily  the decisive factor for me... The Moon tokens didn't include those phrases either, (look how those turned out) and so they're really not a requirement to call something a scam, and yes, yobit's IEO's are scams.


They exactly don't, which is the problem.
(Although i would somewhat agree with darkstar, - up to a certain degree it's the user's responsibility, not that of etherscan, to check how "legit" a token is. If the token is as blandly advertised as it is- normally i wouldn't put much blame on the advertising party (etherscan) - but, in this case, anything coming from yobit is a big red flag in my book.)

It's not in their interest to make sure their ads are 101% legit, so as it is not in your interest to understand what exactly you are advertising, for which i'd like to refer you to a thread i made about Yobit earlier this year; here - >  Topic: Yobit Scam Accusation megathread. "Normal" modus operandi or shady practices?    (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.msg50703500#msg50703500)

It is complete deception on part of Yobit to deliberately promote a lie but sadly that is what is to be expected by them.



Indeed they are spending lots of money of signature promotions which means at some point they will want to make returns to cover their payments.

First the forum was flooded by their cryptotalk signature in the mistaken belief and hope that users will sign up there and it might become some sort of competitor and/or counter balance to this forum, then they started a short lived x10 campaign which then was replaced with "$700 worth of YoDollars for free".

If newbies and gullible investors were taken out the equation, scams such as Yobit would shut down but sadly they keep advertising and promoting which in-turn will eventually bring in some investors who will be fleeced.

So, from 26 satoshi when this whole bs started now the marvelous x10 token is at 7 losing 75% of its value.
Who could have seen this coming......

Like all pump and dump or ponzi schemes, the more profitable they claim to be the faster they go down, here it took two weeks for this drop, in another month we're probably at 1 satoshi with no buy orders just like other coins promoted by yobit ended.

And to think there were people that actually defended this ....thing...

What surprises me is there are people still showing the banners even after the negativity surrounding Yobit in general.

To read posts from users defending the scam by saying all investments are a risk (and sometimes even showing screenshots of alleged profits) in order to justify Yobit in general and the x10 specifically - has been a new low for their already low standards.

Yobit are attracting gullible investors, after they sign up at Yobit they are bombarded with various campaigns and investment schemes. Why would Yobit steal their funds when they can simply say the investment in any IEO or investbox failed so that way they can keep running as a legitimate business.

This ridiculous Terms and Conditions page shows nothing that can identify the Yobit scammers so when it comes for users wanting to take legal action, they hide behind anonymity: https://yobit.net/en/rules/

We all know more and less what lies behind YoBit, or that forum that is promoted here - but they are just doing what forum rules allow them. So I don't see how it is logical to blame only them for this happening in the forum, great responsibility is also placed on those who set these rules of the game. In the end, scam is not moderated on this forum and everyone should use common sense before clicking on any link.

Still how to explain that to newbies who only see free and $700 in the signature of Senior, Hero and Legendary members who flood almost every part of the forum. I bet most signature managers would not accept 90% of them in any signature campaign, but some think this was ideal way to get them a chance, and it is no secret that forum is getting more traffic with so many accounts wake up in the last few months.


Don't be surprised by the fact that people ignore negativity, most of them are not even aware of it, to others, this is the only chance to make money on this forum. I have no doubt that they will defend this privilege until the last drop of spam blood.

Not sure what to say here, not to explain. To be honest, I understand and know what Yobit did. I do not object to your opinion, when I started participating in this campaign, I didn't know Yobit's ugliness, but when they deliberately changed the X10 signature, I understood what I was working for, but I couldn't stop at that time.
It couldn't be more accurate, guy. Except you think everyone is spam.

Not a promise or an atonement, but as my economy stabilizes, I will leave their campaign. It could be a week or two at the most, I have thought about leaving this campaign many times but there are no open positions in other campaigns, that's why I'm still staying here for a while.

A little better read what I wrote so you might realize that I didn't write anywhere that all participants in this campaign are spammers. What I say that 90% of participants would not be accepted into any other serious signature campaign, which means that at least 10% of participants in this campaign are not spammers. But this does not justify anyone who knowingly promotes something that they know is bad and will cause financial loss to someone else.


I'm not here to judge, everyone is building their reputation in the forum and in real life. Difficult situations force people to do bad things, sometimes there is simply no choice.

This (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.msg53511463#msg53511463) is very good point.

Interesting. Archived for future reference http://archive.is/wip/4h6mo.

So you realized what you are working for but you just want that extra 1$ no matter what you promote, right? And what do you mean when you say "there isn't any more space in other signature campaigns"? Sure there is, your alt account is accepted in signature campaign you tried to cheat applying again with alt account just a few days ago, right? And your other alt account is in chipmixer's campaign, right?
(insert wife/father/mother/friend/neighbor excuse)

Nope, it's a normal reaction.

Thanks for posting the feedback though, the more forum members who read it the better IMHO. Scam promoting accounts are the scourge of this forum & deserve all the neg feedback they get.

I just said why Etherscan accepted it
I really don't understand what you're saying, I don't  know who that account is and where it came from. I am contacting Yahoo62278 about this issue, it is definitely a misunderstanding, I can provide any evidence to prove it. LOL I wish I had a legendary alt account and some positive trust. I don't know why it happened but I swear this is a misunderstanding. One fine day I woke up and find that I was living with the negative trust for a guy that I didn't know.

What do you think of my current signature? I was accepted by Yahoo62278 into Luckybit's campaign and left Yobit  :D From now on I am comfortable on this forum, no longer worrying about complaints when carrying advertisements of Yobit. Everything is okay if I do well  :D

Now we have a unique story to watch, I believe there must be some reason for Yahoo62278 to make a decision. I have just checked your profile and LOL  ;D no reference link.

I'm bad at trading, I'm bad at guessing the price and making predictions
That's why every time I say about a shitcoin known for pumps and dumps that is going to drop like a stone I'm also afraid that just as I am posting the damn coin will be pumped again and people will start pointing fingers...
So, after pointing the 75% drop I was sure it will take a few days and they will pump it gain and some trolls will come in the open and start shouting that I was wrong and how much they've gained with their 16$ invested in x10.


But, today is a bright day, no trolls or shills anywhere
X10 / BTC Last: 0.00000003

Out of pure curiosity, I looked at the investment panel for the other 10% a day coins and there she was,
Oh, liza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKgNfZ4ETnQ)...

From 13k dogetoshi in December to 115 now!!! Yes, a 99% drop!!!!!

Well your story is one of a kind.. Let's wait and see how it pans out.

By the time Yahoo tags you for cheating or trying to cheat in the bounty. There is more than enough evidence to prove his claim. It can never be a mistake or coincidence. I have seen him tag dozens of users in the past and no one has ever come out to appeal against the tags, automatically meaning they were guilty.

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Yahoo62278 also doesn't share how he catches cheats so that future cheats can not know how to avoid getting caught... that's why there is always no reference in the tags

I saw accounts participating in windice that were tag that has no reference in the profile link but accounts are not complaining, maybe they are guilty of what they are doing. There's a lot you can find here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRabJN4r_qbpitYLsxLfDQ7H4eZw6DfIqErx2BI9A7c/edit#gid=1973136743

I am sure if it's just a mistake, neg rep will be remove as yahoo is a trusted member of the forum.

Ya think? There's nothing trustworthy about promoting known & proven scams for payment.

What if?
If someone read all of Yobit Investbox defenders and x10 investment opportunities then believe in his great story, I am just calculated how is going on.
So, if someone on 24.december spends 0.02BTC and buys x10 at the current price on this day 23 satoshis, they will get 86956.52174 x10 tokens. With daily 10% profit, today 17. Jan. they will have 856498.4935 x10 tokens. This is in case all daily earnings are reinvested. Today buy order is 2 satoshi. So after 25 days, investment with all interest, worth 0.017129969 BTC.
There was also an obligation to buy and hold another his token but I am not sure which of them. Something like YO or Panda, but I don't think that there was a profit.

No one on this forum protects Invest Box, except Yobit. Most of the controversy here are about why some people keep signature and promoting Yobit even they know it does not bring good results to investors. Just like your calculations, investing in X10 is completely harmful, it and a few other coins (of Yobit) deserve the name shitcoin. Anyway, appreciate your calculations.

I used to have Yobit's signature in my profile almost a month LOL

Here is one of x10 investors: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212036.0

This post just about sums up what is going on here right now. There are several common traits between Vispilio and wolwoo, one of them being playing the racist card when they cannot get their own way or when they are challenged. It is futile attempt to stifle debate and misdirect on their part. Vispilio even uses a false basis for psycho-analysis to cite the failure of wolwoo to remain civil as being the fault of other users who force him in to a defensive position, like that is supposed to provide justification as cover for other having to read profanities and pointless highly irrational posts.

I agree with you when you pointed out correctly about certain comments being facile psuedo analysis but the fact that those users that are in cahoots with users such as wolwoo are duplicitous enough to ensure they stay out of contentious posting in threads where other certain senior or highly respected members might be present pushing forward their own alternative view.

As far as investbox is concerned there is nothing more to add than already has been said. The tactics employed by Yobit to push out this trash was probably mostly driven by their desire to steal from users in an underhanded manner rather than openly because one manner of theft would allow them to carry on trading pleading ignorance and blaming lack of due-diligence on part of the investor and the other would simply open them up for legal action and criminal investigation even though they have no information on website in their useless terms/condition/rules page about who owns Yobit and where they are located: https://yobit.net/en/rules/

The "snip<deflection>snip" is a perfect way to sum this up.

X10 I remember them as that company from the late 90's early 2000s with the annoying pop-under ads.
They went bankrupt too.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20031022/1624251.shtml (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20031022/1624251.shtml)

For those of you too young to remember:

https://www.geek.com/news/x10-ads-are-useless-545130/ (https://www.geek.com/news/x10-ads-are-useless-545130/)

-Dave

it was quite enlightening
Is anyone whose name is Cesare betrayed?

From earlier in the mid 90's;  there was a serial device called the "X10 System".  You put a serial dongle in your pc;  and you could control modules around the house (lights, etc).

I'm sure some of the older folks may remember these.

Great news - Yobit is leaving AND taking spammers with it:

Interesting. I wonder if they're paying the same as they were here. If so, I'm sure there will be a mass exodus from here which is obviously a good thing.

The pay rate is probably going to be lower, I mean even Yobit has to realize that their dumpster of a website is not worth the same rates.

Id rather see them gone altogether... so this is good news here.

I browsed CTO's website for a few min the other day...   a crap ton of low level posts and discussions only...   no meat and potatoes.


I have done ok without the sig rewards since the yobit initial sig ban....     I would be interested in carrying another sig (with no requirements other than basics of good posts, etc as I always do)...   but I don't see myself going out of my way to do it anytime soon;  plus the many that require post counts or post sections can kick rocks.

Let me process that... so they are going to continue to pay for (what seem to be mainly meaningless garbage) posts on their own forum and then pay, on top of that, for a signature advertizing themselves to the people they're already paying to post?
I think the story about dying of a heart attack at a bus stop is suspect, that has all the hallmarks of Sergei Panteleevich's brand of rational nihilism; I bet he's really running Yobit from a bunker under Mount Yamantau. 

What, Mavrodi runs Yobit?!? :o And whose funeral did the MMM-2011 "member-investors" finance?! He continued to scam them even after death... :D

Maybe they will no longer pay for each post but then I doubt anyone would post there if they're not getting paid so basically only the signature spammers would remain. Perhaps this is some sort of play for Google rankings or whatever.

I doubt they will pay anyything close to it there. The whole idea to pay users here was to simply get people over there just to sign up and see what all the fuss what about.

With Yobit feeling a sense of 'mission accomplished' they will probably be happy to stop users here. They will of course let all the Yobit promoters here that they will get money for promoting Yobit there (on a lesser pay scale) but they will do it in the hope users will leave this forum and make cryptotalk their number one forum. Even though some users will leave here, it will not be a bad thing.