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Crypto and bitcoin Not good investment as before
But crypto can be Vehicle for investment.
So the new era will be the New question if we invest and hodl but what we can do with crypto..


Since its de centralized we should run the Whole equity markets on crypto.


Also id like to point out my new vision new idea what can be done with crypto ;

Link here to Other topic :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211481.0

I would say Bitcoin is a solid investment for the long term, If you look at the structure of bitcoin and notice that we have barley even scratched the surface in terms of the longevity.
If you are to look back at the early prices and where we sit now on a timeline basis it paint's a much better picture of how long a term people are talking.

I don't mean months or even years, Personal, I am looking at it the the terms of 20 years+.


So let me explain my thoughts (please note this is NOT financial advice and is my own speculation on Bitcoin and the future)

In terms of Bitcoin and rewards for the miners we are what they would say "just out the gates"

Below is a table showing the halving event's and rewards going forward in bitcoin as you will see we are almost passing the the 4th mile marker in terms of rewards halving and block height


Now lets look at a quick summery of what the lowest price in USD over the years for bitcoin has been per-year to date


I don't know what book's on investing you have been reading but if you bought the LOW of each year and sold the high of each year thus far you would be doing exceptionally well.
As the reward falls and more users decided they want into bitcoin the price will continue to grow,  as a sound money for the world without borders you can't find much else that has done what Bitcoin has over the years.

Is it just me that understands this wrongly? It confuses me that OP is telling that bitcoin and "crypto" is no longer a good investment as before but tells that "crypto" is a good investment vehicle.

I agree that bitcoin is more solid than any other "crypto" that op is pertaining to as a good investment vehicle. There's no other better choice than bitcoin on this asset class market because it's been proven within just a decade and it will be proven for the upcoming years to come.

Looks like OP mixed blockchain and crypto. You don't really need to have cryptocurrencies, just use blockchain to store those equity digital shares.

I'm not against it but will companies even consider it? Other than that, 'crypto and bitcoin is not a good investment' is a thing that most people don't believe.

Therefore, just the same, that investing in bitcoin today is in the first place among investors and traders of the crypto world. There are other aspects that can be considered, but you must be extremely careful in this action.

That's why investing right now is not the best option for that. The stable downward movement of bitcoin is on going and we have nothing to do about it because we're just waiting for it to finish and grow again. But it will surely took so long before we can invest again in crypto.

Those other aspects you said like demand, price, and etc. must be observed also.

The reason why we're here is because we don't know what to do or to handle bitcoin. Maybe this thread is the key on how we can overcome the problem which is waiting for the next season or new era of cryptocurrency for us.

We should make a move and control ourselves for the next transactions we will execute soon. But for now, let's share our knowledge and plans before having fun investing in cryptocurrency and bitcoin.

Well i am invested into so many things with Bitcoin and several other cryptos and i am not crying about it because i know how to do it properly.

There are tons of ways for you to win from an investment....
For instance i invest in trading at multiple currencies at same time, gamble alot, and many other stuff that provide me a good income on a regular basis.

All that because crypto / bitcoin is on an ative environment of trading.
There is always price fluctuation and there will always be companies willing to give you opportunities (and for them) to win more from other services.

I think people don't have a good understanding of Cryptocurrency. it is just the first application. these are going to grow and be robust distributed network ecosystems with applications and services worth trillions in economic output and bitcoin or other altcoins are going to be the primary basis by which you pay for those services. buying bitcoin now is like buying a piece of the internet before the web browser hit the market. You are buying a percentage of 21 million coins that will ultimately be in circulation at a huge discount to it's total potential worth after adding all the aggregated services and applications built on the blockchain.

Lack of research can lead to false conclusion, if we will check the data from the experts, actually Bitcoin gave most the higher returns, next is Netflix, for the past decade, Bitcoin becomes number one. So, I don't know why people kept saying that crypto is not a good investment when in fact they are here chasing with their dreams too.

Lol oh boy...

Firstly you are not actually making sense. I am struggling to understand you. Firsts you claim bitcoin and crypto are not good investments and then you say crypto is a vehicle for investment? That is a contradiction. You should not be using words like vehicle in your sentences since your English is bad. Don't try to use fancy English.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211481.0 This is the exact description of a Ponzi and is nothing new and is not clever. What are you trying to do here?

Are you also not explaining any of your claims? Why do you say bitcoin is and crypto is a bad investment and then talk about investing in them in the next sentence.

Overstock launched a subsidiary and platform called TZERO, which is an alternative trading system (ATS) for trading stocks. Volumes have been meager so far (https://www.coindesk.com/overstocks-tzero-patents-tech-for-recording-trades-on-public-blockchains) and nobody besides Overstock has issued securities on the platform yet:

@OP, honestly it's hard to understand what you are talking about. You should elaborate more.
Keep in mind that there is a difference between cryptocurrencies and the technology they use which is blockchain.
The project promoted in the link you provided looks like a ponzi scheme to me where early investors get paid from funds deposited but those who join later.

You'll be sorry @OP if you'll never take this great opportunity.
If we look into its price line every year, we could see that it has a continuous market growth. This simply means that having crypto today is also building a better future. The dumping scenario we experience is not that reason to become hopeless and worried about its future cause we believe that everything will be fine soon especially when we are at 100% crypto supporters.

Of course it could be not as good as it was. Bitcoin used to offer insane profits of 1000% a year. This is insane because traditional assets rarely give you 50% a year.

Even if Bitcoin keeps 10% of its profitability it will still be one of the best investments you can make in your life.

what is the reason you say it like that, it makes people confused with your words, you issue an income that has no basis and reason. if indeed Crypto and bitcoin is Not good investment new era Next phase, show your reasons that are right and we can understand .. !!

What you explained in the link link is the ponzi system, how can you say the ponzi system is a good investment?
Even though you are given access to your own blockchain account to be able to invest your bitcoin, not in a trading account. Putting assets on the blockchain is best for crypto, not playing for a ponzi system.

I don't think it is different from the results that investors in new projects are getting. At the present, investors are still losing money by believing in new alts that will bring a new wave to the crypto market like 2017, but things have gone against them. The crowd now only focuses on bitcoin and some top alts to trade and make money from it. Investments in new projects are now frozen and positive as if no one is waiting for new projects. so investing and holding it, I don't think it will be good, we should just hold bitcoin now, that's my own opinion.

That is pure opinion, why are we going to follow you after all. Bitcoin can still be a good investment vehicle after all but there are risks. We cannot just invest without prior study and knowledge. We should know what we are doing after all so we can able to avoid losses after all. We should know how to use technical analysis in order to find out the perfect time make investment with bitcoin.

I wonder what people will be saying about bitcoin till 2011 when it was almost zero. Now when it is trading above $7000 we are hearing sounds that its no more a good investment? Many think like that including OP, they have the right. But come up with some strong logic if you think bitcoin is not a good option. My logic is that it has huge market cap along with massive community.

Its difficult to say and convince that bitcoin investment is not worth anymore. Even though 10 years have past but still digital currency and bitcoins have a long way to go. Forget about the bear and bull market and keep on accumulating bitcoins for the future.

We have just crossed the 10 years of Bitcoin and you consider it not as good as the years before? Bitcoin is still in its infancy with that 10 years. We have yet to conquer the world. Bitcoin still has a lot to accomplish in the next years. If I were you, I would consider buying Bitcoin while the rest of the world has to join the market. We are still considered early adopters right now. Don't get too greedy as to want instant wealth out of it.

so the point what u want to say is crypto is no more than ponzi ?
since u get stuck in the middle of all investment project and u got rekt by it all ?
well , sad to hear that.
but the fact , yes crypto is not investement , but as the time goes , since it have a capped supply , its will like a rare gems.

I think you just don't know how bitcoin really works. We all know that the price drop is a part of it. All you need to do is to take the opportunity of the price drop and try to buy some. After that, wait for the perfect moment to sell it. When is the perfect moment? The perfect moment is when the price that you have bought it is lower than the price you sold it.

crypto can be used as an investment place, it's just that many people who abuse crypto to attract investors. but, one thing I'm sure of, that is crypto is definitely better than Ponzi. however, crypto is better depending on its function. if you want to invest in crypto, look for crypto projects that have good concepts, and are far from Ponzi

Bitcoin and Crypto still a very good investment. Been making my daily living from it albeit not too big a profit. If I had just $3,000 in my account, I can easily start buying/selling of bitcoin, which way I can be making way over $100-200 daily, which is not bad at all.

Not a new kind of investment haha. 

It's look like a new kind of ponzi scheme,  pyramiding scheme and 1000 % Return of Investment in one week are just imigination only. 

In terms of whether bitcoin or cryptocurrency is a good investment depends on the level of the investor's knowledge and understanding about cryptocurrency and investment in general. Without knowledge and understanding, you can't choose between hodling and daily trading. Investment is all about knowledge and understanding the risks involved in investing....

OP is already a part of crypto and I don't think that he never knows what really we are promoting and he probably knows that Bitcoin is a good investment rather than to have a local investment.
I don't what he is probably thinking about, in fact, many known personalities have been investing this cause they know that they can secure more gains from here. And I believe that for 10 years of market existence...we are probably be seeing it good and growing investment today and in the future.

If the first ten years of Bitcoin was awesome enough to have seen how a single coin transformed from some sort of an experiment to a coveted $20,000 worth during its ATH, I can imagine how it will become even more awesome in the next ten years. Imagine people from all over the world online and on physical transactions using Bitcoin as their primary currency. That would simply be fantastic. Banks are gonna say bye bye to their greedy business.

Trading is way better than investing in any other scheme that may offer huge returns, while some might really have good oofers it's still better to decide on our own in trading and in choosing what alts are we going to hold and invest with. There is already risk in investing in crypto and more risk in ponzi systems. Cryptos still a good investment as long as we know what we are doing.

Yeah, I agree, dude. It's just a matter of understanding and perspective of every investor, investors have a good decision, whether the investment they run is good for them or not. Maybe on the @OP side it's not good, but it's different from everyone's perspective in investing in bitcoin.

And back again to understanding risk, which is where a good investment is an investment that has a smaller risk and can manage these risks.

yes i understand what u saying , but i talking about for now , bitcoin or even another cryptocurrency its not a investement category for now, i mean legit investement.
still have no recognized from goverment about it.
but that , not for long time i guess.

In January 2019 the price was $5000 and in June 2020 the price was $12000. as you can see the price has doubled in 6 months, is this not a good investment? What is the other investment that yields a return of more than 2X in a year? Of course like every investment there are people who buy at the top and end up with losses when the price drops a lot, but it depends on the strategy that each person will use to not lose money


sounds like a ponzi scheme

Especially day trading as you can easily get out if you think that there is a change in the movement of the price or action of what you are traded at, you just need time for it to focus but it is way better than investing in a coin/token that you don't know much at all and you have no time to check the development from time to time.

For me it is considerably a job with full potential for you to earn allot, if and only if, you could keep your profit and add it to your investment pool because most of the time, allot of us here just allocate a certain amount of cryptocurrency for trading and they are withdrawing the profits which in fact a big lose of potential bigger profits. If we are saving all of the profit and let our investment pool grow bigger, each of our trade will have bigger responsibility for us to decide accurately, and at the same time, will give us bigger ROI.

I looked at your link, which you referred as your new vision, new idea, is nothing but an old Ponzi scheme. By investing in such kind of scheme lots of people around the globe already have lost lots of money. On the other hand the technical formulation of bitcoin make it trustable by all.
Bitcoin will always be a better investment than your suggested scheme. 

Most people now do really make bitcoin as an investment rather than the currency, you wanna know why? because of the price, thats all. I'm not going to be that clean as a user, I don't use bitcoin as a currency but as a form of investment especially today that the incoming halving will occur in no time less than a half of a year. No need to problematize about the government coz government has nothing to do with it but have external factors to lessen the effect on them.

Exactly, we all need to take this opportunity to buy as much as we can of bitcoin before the price increase again and it's gonna be so hard later to buy! It's just a chance now before regretting later. I personally bought some bitcoin few days ago when the price dropped under 7k$ and I already made some profit with this current price now! I'm just thinking to hold for a long term period because the price will increase so much in the future.

I don't think so, that BTC is not a good investment. Although this coin is volatile, BTC is still trusted for investment, moreover for a long-term investment. However, I also agree that some cryptos maybe not good for investment, they can be a way for trading to get short profits.
It is very different from the precious BTC in 2017 where the coin has very high value. I hope that after halving, BTC will have better value again.

Simply, BTC can be said as only one best crypto for investment although ETH and other cryptos may also offer high value. We can trust other coins, but it does not mean that they are very valuable.

Smart! Blockchain and Bitcoin are made to simplify the way people transact and the way people develop transaction systems that are Decentralized. We are given the choice to have and not have Cyrptocurrency. And we are also given the choice to choose between coin crypto or Blockchain technology which can be used as many utilities according to its development.

It's a normal thing that every person has a different perception about the financial market, it's true that not everyone could have trust in this cryptocurrency system because of some specific reason. but from my perception about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, It's still a profitable investment for a long term period, I believe that Bitcoin certainly will bring good feedback if you can hold this at least six months, not only that but also cryptocurrency is getting the same image day by day, so both might be a good investment in terms of time.

in certain perceptions everyone has a difference, as you demonstrated because where I still have people who do not believe about investing in crypto and there are also those who know but do not have access to crypto. I think it's only natural that there are differences in perception and we should be able to put ourselves

It is subjective, there are people who saying bitcoin is good investment and there are also people who against in bitcoin investment. I am one of the people who love investing bitcoin, it is still in early stage and there are a lot of advantages that we can get from it. I do not know why people are afraid to take risks in making investment with cryptocurrencies. We cannot become a risk taker if we will not overcome the fear that we experiencing.

I have also some doubts this coming year whether the halving would trigger and be another catalyst of a bull run, or it won't affect the price as much as before. Either way, I still hold some in hopes, and even TAs point out that it would increase, though such TA predicitions are still not that reliable. It's too volatile to predict and too decentralized to know what would be the next price trend. Anything could happen, positively or negative way.

Doubts are sometimes can become the challenges that we can face because it makes us to be afraid to make investment with cryptocurrencies. I do not see the bitcoin and crypto as a good investment, I'm a trader and an investor; I keep seeing a lot of opportunities in the cryptocurrency market so for me bitcoin investment is really worth it. The thing is, there are people who losing money in bitcoin because they just putting their money without knowledge; it is the problem and we should invest only if we fully understand the market.

everyone has different opinions about bitcoin in the future and I appreciate op opinions. but I still believe bitcoin and crypto are the best investments compared to other investment tools such as gold, stocks or deposits. because bitcoin can provide greater profits. and I'm also sure that this bitcoin investment is very suitable to be used in the next era because now we are in the era of digital technology. now some people have used digital transactions. so bitcoin and blockchain really support this era.

Hello Sergey Mavrodi , This people is your fans  ;D
i have invest and join some project with this scheme and boom, you can get rich easily when you can growing up your refferals
but this is just SCAM to SCAM bisnis model, you get scamed, then looking for new people to scame

therefore when we do not have the same opinion in the opinion the best way is to appreciate it, the most important thing is we must have the identity to continue to support crypto and when people who do not trust crypto I hope they can explain in detail their reasons as well as when we support crypto which must clearly has a reason

The market will never always be good, some times we have to suffer to prove to us that this market is strong and better so it will survive. Bitcoin is still a good investment, and even right now you can still get the profit that you desire. Bitcoin is the best, it will grow more and on the next era we will be on a different price level.

In the end of 2019, I think that investors should not invest in cryptocurrencies because the market is on a strong downward trend. In the beginning of 2020 will increase strongly

sorry to say but your enteir post is meaningless, if you think crypto is not a good investment in new era then whar is? or maybe you should take a look at this from an article from yahoo news, :-
 
   "Most profitable investments of the decade:
   Bitcoin: +62,500%
   Ethereum: +17,900%
   Netflix: +4,280%
   Domino's Pizza: +3,000%
   Abiomed: +2,000%
   Lululemon: +1,300%
   Amazon: +1,250%
   NVIDIA: +1,180%
   Mastercard: +1,100%
   Apple: +840%
   Visa: +760%
   Google: +350%"

Please tell me what you think? do you still think that crypto is not a good investment, since the last decades btc has out perform all other investment, think about it.

If he indeed mixed things up, I bet he's still learning and kind of new to cryptocurrency because he got confused with blockchain and crypto. So I'm thinking how can he say that crypto is not a good investment? Yes, we have different opinions. But the post itself is confusing. He said that crypto and Bitcoin is not a good investment but can be a vehicle, which is I don't really understand.
As for my side, crypto, especially Bitcoin is a good investment even though there's no pump with the price. The fact that it's growing, it makes me believe that Bitcoin can be more, and succeed more in the future.

If you say that bitcoin is not a good investment then I’m sorry you’re wrong, you do not even know anything about Investment. Bitcoin is risky and I know that but that don’t mean that it’s a bad investment, you should check how far the price has gone ever since it was created in 2009, the lowest we get in every new year is bigger than what we had in the previous years.

So, imagine that you invested back then and Hodl'ed till today you still won’t be in loss because the price higher than what we had then. You should risk an amount that you’re okay with and you should also know that short term trading is not meant for everyone.

Can you say a better investment than Bitcoin? In the last 10 years, eotur software developers have won a lot. Of course it's relevant to people's investment strategies. But Bitcoin is a good investment. You need to pay attention to price instabilities.

I believe Bitcoin and crypto will be good for investment for the next era. And the use of Bitcoin and crypto will continue to grow day by day.

As before?
Bitcoin has grown a lot with time and matured as an investment asset. Now the volatility is not insanely high. Uncertainty is still there but still not at the level of 2017. Before it was just a manipulating tool for whales and exchange to make easy money. It's growing in the right direction i would say and it's equally good as an alternative investment as of now too.

Bitcoin has little to no correlation with other investment instrument and this makes it a good option for diversifying your investment and bring the risk down in case of slowdown in economy.

The main problem with the whole crypto market is that traditional investors are not enough motivated or incentivized to come to cryptocurrency which is hindering the growth of the market cap.