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No problem, good luck with your auction!

If there are only 3 made (limited edition).... why is there a line through the mintage.  Shouldn't the COA say 3?? 

You can contact https://www.purescottishsilver.co.uk/ to verify the mintage I am unsure why he send them to me without the numbers on the cards I believe it was as it was a private custom order and not available on his website.

https://www.purescottishsilver.co.uk/

I placed the custom order for them on a limited run so I know there are only 3 bars available.

I'm not looking to verify.... I'm looking for an accurate COA.... as these COAs seem to be an afterthought based on the chicken scratch handwriting and the incorrect mintage. 
Nice pieces otherwise.  Good luck with your auction.

I have verified the source of these bars. They were indeed a custom order placed by the OP with pure scottish silver. Great to see new products land on here and i wish you the best on your auction.

Polymerbit does amazing custom COAs btw 👍👍

0.01 on BAR 1

Thanks I believe your correct it may have been an afterthought but I only commissioned 3 pieces on a custom order and I am sure the smelter would be happy to confirm them if required.

Thank you for the bid!   
Good Luck!

Pure barry.

I bid 0.01 on Bar 3

I bid:

 0.002 on 1
 0.002 on 2
 0.002 on 3

Bids accepted by Jr Member as previous dealings with member over at CK solo pool.

Please double check you post to include the starting price + you bid.

I bid 0.002 BTC on bar 2

DM sent to both JimJam123 and Techshare in relation to there invalid bids on Bar 2.

Please update your bid's correctly.

Current prices


Please note Starting bids are 0.01 only bar 2 is left waiting for a starting bid.

Then price increments of 0.002 apply to the bars.

Bars 1&2 require counter bids of 0.002 per bid from here on in.

Thanks guys.

bid 0.01 BTC bar 2

Bid accepted 45 min to go good luck bidders

Who made the 0.012 BTC bid on bar 3?

Jimjim123 there was a open bid of 0.1 of bars 1 and 3 already he bid 0.002 on bars 1 and 3 his bar 2 bid was rejected

No they did not.


All their bids are invalid.  

No they are not there was already open bids in 1 and 3 so his bid of 0.002 on bars 1 and 3 were valid only bar two was invalid as there was no open bid please look back at the bids.   

0.01 open price. Both bars had open bids on them so his 0.002 bids are valid only his bid onnbar two was wrong.

This is not how auctions work, anywhere. .01 is the only amount anyone can bid to start things off, and anything else is invalid. Take a look around this forum and you won’t see one example that follows your logic on this. I wound think very hard on your decision here.

Very confusing, and not how it is done on this forum. Anyway, your auction, your rules.  ::)

Both members on page one opened the bids on bars 1 and 3   members corrosive and last of the v8s.

There bids were

0.01 on bars 1 and 3.  

Jimjam then placed 0.02 bids on bars 1 and 3 which were valid as the bars were open with opening bids of 0.01 on bars 1 and 3..

The increments of 0.02 can be made on any open bar jimjams bid on bar 2 was invalid as there was no open bid.  Techshare opened the bid on bar two

Once a bar has a open bid of 0.01 users can bid in 0.02 incriments.  

The only invalid bid was jimjam on bar two.

Please look back at the offers before posting that the bids are invalid.  

If people can't follow the rules I set out then it's not my fault  I make it clear open bids were 0.01 and counters would be in 0.02 incriments.

Congratulations to the winners.  Bids are now closed.

Jimjam123 secured bars 1 and 3 @ 0.012 per bar.
Techshare sneaked in with his bid of 0.01 on bar 2

Congratulations guys you will be very pleased with your bars.

I am mobile right now so when I am home I will contact both of you for shipping information. 

I look forward to the next one with some more exclusive silver for the community.

Thank you all for you participation.

First let’s see if Jimjam is willing to pay 2 x 0.012 BTC, then we’ll see how clear your auction rules were.  :P

Just a heads up, but almost everyone on this forum can read. Jimjam never once placed a .02 bid. It was .002, which is invalid. There are no rules for a .02 bid, but for a .002 bid. This is bitcoin, that makes a big difference: Is this even real life rn going on here ..wow.

“Next Auction “ .. You clearly do not understand how this works, and you’re not even close. Admit your mistakes , or there will not be a next auction. Trying to help ya out here bud

What a complete shitshow!!  You run auctions as well as Denarium.....  ::)  I truly hope there is not a second auction.... in this format at least. 

Go to page 1 : CTRL+F 0.012 returns only 2 results of which were "quotes" from OP. I can only recommend clozapine to help with hallucinations/delusions of this magnitude.

What a disaster. Did you not think to clear this up or clarify what was going on?

You waited more than two days after minerjones brought up the FACT jimjam had invalid bids to even respond!


 I was sat with a bid of 0.01 sitting happy that i was top bidder(which i was)

Look at ANY auction on here. Nobody words their bids by only the increment amount.
Madness

This was very poorly done, a proper shite show.

I am just hoping they got somehow very confused, due to being new to this.  Apologize, make it right, have a batter second auction. Hopefully.

I agree, this changing of the values of bids is not at all appropriate. Frankly neither is your editing of the OP or making this a self moderated thread. Instead of selling to a legitimate bidder who wants your product, you fraudulently try to change another users bid in the hope you can force them to pay more than they actually bid with your little semantic game. All this combined makes me not trust your word whatsoever and makes me regret bidding on this.

Sorry if there was any confusion about how I saw this working and yes your right this was my first auction.

The open price was 0.01 BTC per bar.

When someone bids 0.01 on the bar that bid starts things off they are the current highest bidder and would win at that price.

Offers after this come in 0.002 increments.

Once corrosive and last of the v8s posted there 0.01 bids on bars 1 and 3 those bars were "in play open like first bid on eBay" 

Meaning they have opened the bids on that bar you are the current highest bidder and the price point is now 0.01 BTC.

Jimjam123 then posted his bids or

0.002 on 1
0.002 on 2   Not valid bid as no open offers yet.
0.002 on 3

At this time the price point of bars 1 and 3 is 0.01 BTC as per the bids by corrosive and last of the v8s, when you add on jimjams value the price point now stands at

Bar 1 / (open price 0.01) + (increment 0.002) - 0.012 BTC
Bar 2 / no valid bids due to no open bid
Bar 3 / (open price 0.01 + (increment 0.002) - 0.012 BTC

Jimjam123's bids on bar 1 and 3 are valid  and 0.002 bids is added to the open offers already on the table which were made by corrosive and last of the v8s.

0.01 open + 0.002 bid = 0.012 BTC

At this point jimjam123's bid is now the highest bidder on bars 1 and 3 going by the open price, and the bid.

I sent jimjam123 a message to let him know his bid on bar two was incorrect and edited my post to show bid two invalid.

At this point bar 2 is still not in play as there has been no bit of 0.01 BTC

Techshare then bids 0.002 on bar 2 which is not valid I contacted him to let him know via pm and it's noted on the post my minerjoans.

Techshare then bids correctly on bar 2 with a 0.01 bid this bar is now open and he is the current highest bidder

So now the auction stands at

Bar 1 / 0.012 BTC {JimJam123}
Bar 2 / 0.01 BTC {TechShare}
Bar 3 / 0.012 BTC {JimJam123}

At this point all three bars have valid bids on them and will sell.

Every bid was to be in 0.002 increments after the open price of 0.01 BTC.

There may have been some confusion on how to do the auction here but what bit how I expected it his to work was to add the incremental bids to the open bid then allow 0.002 bids there after to the price.

So the price point would go

(Open0.01) / 0.012 / 0.014 / 0.016 / 0.018 / 0.02 / 0.022

Adding user bids of 0.002 each time.

I apologize if there was some confusion over this i did this as a way to bring some value to the community with something that I felt was missing from the forum I'm happy to take advice on my next sale.

If should be clear what the thought process was behind the sale and I was unsure how other do there any auctions here If they do things differently then I am sorry.


I didn't change the values of bids It was supposed to be set to 0.002 BTC which is what was posted as per the listing. 

Techshare your comment makes no sense what do you mean I changed someones bid he added 0.002 to the open price of 0.01 I believe the format of the auction has not been fully clear I guess  I'm only human..

If there is a open bid of 0.01 and you bid 0.002 the that's 0.012 BTC..

Let's see what the bidders say I'm happy for the bars to go at current price if the buyers are.

I also added self mod to the topic to allow me to edit or delete any spam or bids that didn't stick to the rules.

Sorry for the confusion.

No idea how to resolve this. If I end up being adjudged a 'winner', I'd prefer now to use escrow. A UK based one would save costs. But I think as it stands this situation stems more from inexperience and lacking communication skills than anything more sinister.

@ last of the v8s.

I hope I have shown how I expected the sale to work in detail we will need to speak with the bidders so please dm me and I will post an update once I have spoken with the them.

I get your reasoning, it is just extremely unconventional, to the point of being invalid.
It would be great if jimjam123 could pipe up. Why did he submit 2 'valid' bids and one 'invalid'? Just didn't read the thread, like TECSHARE's first bid?

I just DM’d magic.
When I read the original post, I did believe that I was bidding 0.002 NOT 0.012.
Hence why I wrote 0.002 not 0.012 in my original bid.
Not sure how to proceed at this point though as I do feel there is a ton of confusion from the beginning. Not to mention that 0.012 is way too steep for my blood.
Thanks,

Thanks I do not think it was clear how the bidding was expected.


The open price shown is 0.01BTC
Bids should have been 0.002 BTC 

these incremental bids were to add to the open price.

So if someone opens the price at 0.01 BTC then you can add in 0.002 lot sizes.

So for example

I open the bidding at 0.01 BTC.
Someone then comes and can bid 0.002 to the price.

So price calculation is going up from 0.01 open with 0.002 bid size after open
Meaning when I saw the bids there all having an opener at 0.01 and bids at 0.002.

So far from the descussions to the party's jimjam did not understand the terms of the bidding which I take responsibility.

Also before anything else happens techshare already replied stateing an escrow user minerjones he wanted to use at my expense.  I have never had dealing with it also is this normal practice for the escrow service who he is asking to use be the same person that is deciding the outcome of the auction in there last post?

If the example on page one says start bid 0.01 and 0.002 increments what did you think you were bidding on if the start price is 0.01 and it says increments of 0.002?

Because if someone has a bid of 0.01 to start it and prices moves up 0.002 per bid then how are is the above explanation being interpreted?

Again if the terms weren't fully clear it was my fault.

Magic

Normally if starting bid is .01 and bid increments are 0.002, once someone bids .01 the next valid bid would be 0.012 (not 0.0002), and the next valid bid would be 0.014 and so on.  The way you have it worded is different than any auction I have seen on this forum since 2013, or anywhere for that matter, and no one should be expected to understand what you proposed as a bidding method.

I would suggest you take the advice of the users here, and stop trying to push your strained reasoning to try to force some one who doesn't want to, to pay an extra .002 to you. Let me explain how this is going to work if you don't.

1. You will demand payment.
2. The bidder will tell you to fuck off.
3. No one will support you because everyone can see you are attempting to manipulate the situation for an extra 0.002 BTC.
4. You piss off the people who want to be your legitimate customers, your reputation suffers, and you are forever known as that greedy weaselly guy who ruined his reputation over 0.002BTC.

How you should handle this:

1. Offer the items to the 3 legitimate bidders.
2. Set up escrow for all of them with MinerJones at your expense.
3. Be thankful with what you got.
4. Try to work past this failure and continue to build your reputation.


This is how auctions work. You say this is your first auction, but you are intent on telling all of us how auctions work. If you wanted more than the opening bid, you should have just listed it for a flat price. An auction is an open offer to contract with anyone who wishes to bid. You do not have an enforceable contract here. Take my advice, if not you will end up regretting it I assure you.

Can we settle this? Im willing to send you 0.01BTC for bar #1 as per my valid bid. I wont even bother you for escrow, im UK based. Consider it a lifeline.

Just bear in mind if you fluff this up you are very likely done in terms of future sales in here.....

Have conversed with OP and have sorted the situation for 2 of the bars. I will be acting as escrow for last of the v8s and will be paying for my bar upfront based on our valid bids.

OP has taken advice on board and I am confident that he isnt untrustworthy. Mistakes were made on this auction which we all saw but he is making it right as best as he can.

Thank you for the advice and I am happy to use Corrosive as the escrow agent for the sale.

I have spoken with Corrosive on the phone and am happy to proceed with the agreed transaction for 2 bar's.

As it stands now Corrosive will make payment for his bar to the OP address above and will take delivery of both his bar and Last of the V8's bar.
Once delivery has taken place my payment for bar 2 will be released.

@Techshare would you be willing to use Corrosive as the escrow agent on the transaction? 

The reason I ask is he has been kind enough to offer escrow for free rather than the 1% escrow you suggested and 2 he is handling escrow for Last of the V8's.

Please let me know if this is suitable and we can progress towards a resolution for this matter.

And again I am sorry for the confusion over how this was supposed to operate if it was outside the normal process on the board notes have been taken and I will make sure the next auction I conduct will have clearer rules on bidding.

Thanks

Magic

No. Sorry you and your choices give me zero confidence at this point (nothing personal Corrosive). I want to use Minerjones as escrow. After that we likely won't be doing any future exchanges. The fact that you didn't just fix this immediately and set up escrow and instead waited to try to see if you could get Jimjam123 to pay in spite of everyone's advice tells me you have learned nothing from your mistakes here. Please arrange escrow with Minerjones as I originally requested.

Your now just talking rubbish..

I have not waited for anyone to pay.
Your making claims here that are nothing more than your own speculation.

Jimjam could you confirm to techshare please that there was NO attempt to gain payment from you at any point.

Also I took the time to explain to him how the bidding was working like I did with you and the other party's.

Your also making threats to me over pm and trying to use your reputation to bully my and my service your saying you have no confidence then retract your bid and be done with it..

Your attitude has been very off putting for wanting to deal on this forum ever again no wonder new users feel off-put if this is the way you act over something that I have explained.  Just because you can't understand something dose not mean I am wrong..

You also clearly bid twice on them then said that you didn't understand the bids.. you waited until after the sale to not only push me to use some paid escrow of miner joan's at my expense but made threats about reputation and some comments that really show your true colors.

I'm not being held over the coals by anyone on this forum.  Especially not you..

I have been more than accommodating but when I come on and read you post's they are without grounds.

I am no happy paying more out to use some escrow I know nothing about and who has posted already it's got nothing to do with them in the topic if you look back.

If your not happy with my efforts then I am sorry you have the option to retract you bid if you like or come to an agreement we both see eye to eye on and not demanded by you with threats.

Regards.

Magic

The escrow fee you are complaining about is the equivalent of 0.75 GBP.  You made the mistakes and you are not willing to pay 0.75 GBP to keep your customer happy?  Seems incredibly shortsighted.

Techshare perfectly laid out everything for you. He is not talking rubbishy, you are. Members here have perfectly explained how things work, and yet you still refuse to listen. It is mind boggling to me. Techshare was also 100% right when he said no one will bid on your future auctions. You continue to prove that participating in your auctions will come with confusion, misguided and abnormal bidding styles, and a lack of trustworthiness.

Everyone’s advice is extremely fair to you, it’s advice on how things work in auctions, yet you refuse to listen. Have to wonder if you really even care about having further auctions here. Color me beyond confused.

Bringing bitcointalk bars to auction on bitcointalk forum without doing research on how auctions go on said bitcointalk forum.  Seems like sheer stupidity to be very honest.  Then defending that sheer stupidity instead of going into customer service mode.  If this is your business model, you are going to fail in spectacular fashion.    

This is about as straightforward as it gets and definitely what everyone here is thinking. Those bars hold ZERO sentimental value outside this forum aside from spot value so why piss off the only people that want it????

You screwed up and refuse to take accountability for it instead choosing to make excuses and argue about it, which is exactly why I am insisting on escrow via Minerjones. The only one you have to blame for all this is yourself. You could have easily moved on from this by simply serving your customers, instead you have opted to argue and make accusations, pretty much ensuring you have no future selling anything here on the forum.

Threats eh? You have my permission to post any PM's I have sent you up to this date. Please do quote my "threats".

Frankly I don't care if you are happy, it is not my job to make you happy, it is your job to make me happy. I am perfectly willing to honor my bid, but I insist you escrow through Minerjones based on your behavior conducting the auction and your unwillingness to simply resolve the issues. Instead of taking the minuscule cost in stride, you now want to turn this into a conflict, which in the end, is only going to result in showing the entire forum how little your word is worth.

I have contacted MJ in relation to this I am still awaiting his response.

No one want's conflict here and I have taken the steps advised by the community.

I will post the update when I have word back from MJ escrow.

I don't want to see you ruin your reputation here in spite of what you might think. All I am trying to do is make sure you learn from your mistakes so this kind of thing is not repeated in the future. Thank you.

Payment from Corrosive received, Sending two bars to Corrosive one under escrow and one paid up-front.
Last of the V8's bar is the escrow bar being sent to Corrosive as per agreement.
 
Your bars will be in the post tomorrow guys and thank you for the advice and tips I hope you enjoy you nice custom silver!

Now just to sort the last bars escrow with MJ for Techshare and this matter will be resolved.

I will post any updates as they happen.

Thanks everyone.

Magic

Bars 1 and 3 have been send out today to the escrow agent @Corrosive recorded delivery.
I have supplied tracking numbers and Proof of postage to both Last of the V8's and Corrosive.

MJ escrow says the will contact me later today / tomorrow to arrange bar 2 for Techshare.

I will post updated once I know more from MJ Escrow.

Magic

Honestly guys I think this is just getting way out of proportion.

Magic has been nothing but a stand up guy via DM's and has not once asked me for payment.
As I described in my last post, I DM's Magic and he was extremely understanding about the bidding I did, as well as how it could be construed and misunderstood.

I told him i would pass on the bars, not because i dont trust him, but because of my interpretation of the auction/bidding.

Lets chill with the mudslinging and save it for those real dishonest people.


 

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@rxalts

It's this type of thing that is un-called for in the topic.

Everyone here has been open and honest your attitude and reply is really a eye opener to how sour the community is.
Not to mention the sale or bars have nothing to do with you all party's have agreed on how this will work and I have already send 2 of the 3 bars out.

Last one will be held by MJ Escrow at Techshares request.

There is no need for this type of attack on members and to be honest you should take your own advice.
I don't think anyone would care if you didn't post again either.

and people wondered why I made it self mod well above is your answer.  Alt accounts posting rubbish.

Once techshare reply's to confirm escrow I will lock the topic to stop this escalation and off topic posting  for no reason.

Magic

Lol bro I actually buy and pay for things so people like my posts since they all generate revenue but trust me I’d never buy any of your shitty pressed bars and that’s a fact. Not even at spot.

Escrow has been arranged. Just waiting on delivery. Will update when it arrives. Thanks.

The terms have been set out by the buyer..

1.  The buyer wants me to use standard post to send the item.  not Fed-ex or UPS style services.

2.  The bar is to be directly send to the buyer not to the escrow.

3.  No TXID is being supplied to me to prove a payment was made to the escrow?


How is this escrow if I have to send directly to the buyer escrow is to protect BOTH party's not just the buyer.
I did ask to send it direct to MJ escrow but he said no the buyer has requested direct send.

What is to stop the buyer saying the bar didn't arrive?  nothing...  so this "Escrow" that is being insisted on offers me the SELLER no protection at all.

I am happy to ship to the escrow agent MJ and have my item verified and shipped onto the buyer but I will not be shipping the item directly to the buyer that's not how escrow works and you both know that.

User and buyer agree a price.

Buyer send payment to the escrow

Escrow confirms the payment to the seller.

Seller ships item to the Escrow.

Escrow then validate the item then releases payment to the seller.

Item is shipped to the buyer.

Item is held by the Escrow not the buyer..


If the buyer were to be holding the item what is to stop them saying they didn't receive the item also the fact he's asked for me to send it via Normal Post... not UPS or FED-EX style services.

Sorry guys but i'm not being held over the coals like this when it's clear there's not any protection for me the Seller in this process you have told me.

I'm not being difficult at all I just think the terms don't add up.

I have consistently through my time here used various different escrows across the forum and never once have shipped my item to the escrow. It is always direct send. I have been the buyer and the seller for many high priced items.
Saying "you and I both know this isn't how escrow works" is completely wrong and shows your inexperience and stubbornness.

In your case if TECSHARE opted to have no tracking and USPS to ship this item then I would actually state to the escrow that in the event of a mailing mishap, due to no tracking and a cheaper form of shipment, that the buyer (TECSHARE) accept full responsibility for the item and shipping costs. Escrow terms can and should have input by both parties, aswell as suggestions from the escrow in the case of any disagreement.

There are many suggestions and explanations to teach and share here but I read how you took criticism and gentle explaining for the auction bids this last week. No one here wants to continue to assist you when you are a disaster waiting to happen. You have tainted a unique bitcointalk.org branded collectible and it will never be worth anything more than spot in resale value.

Good luck with future endeavors. This one didn't quite turn out. Maybe PayPal buyer/seller protection is a better fit for you.. on a different forum.. on eBay.. on Etsy.

Lol just caught up on this.  Trust the system it works and has been working with mj and all other prominent escrow agents on this forum if done this way.  Deals have been made to the tune of 10s of thousands of dollars this way with nothing but success.  No one is trying to rip off your bar, I dont know techshare personally but they have been a member here for years.  It wasnt a decade long build up to exit scam a small bit of silver.  Trust the system.

Not correct at all.

 I was happy to send the bars out to escrow but it seems the terms of it are being dictated to me by the buyer.
I have send out 2 of the bars today to escrow also I am not happy sending the 3rd one via regular post where no signature would be required on delivery.

Where is the protection for me as the seller here?

To be honest forum rep means very little ive seen people with 100's of trust fall from grace here so that is not even a valid argument.

If escrow was collecting both the item and the funds I have no issues.

Sending direct to the buyer without sign on delivery is a NO NO as if something goes wrong or he claims he didn't get it there no proof of delivery.

None of what I am saying is un-reasonable, unless you have more pressing concerns about a new silver business in "your" space.  

I look forward to reviews from the other members who have been more accommodating and helpful in this matter.

MJ you also said in your PM you could accept the bar and verify it if requested now that's not an option why so?


*** edit **

Also no one is claiming anything about scamming the bar from me I never once said this I said I was not happy with the terms of the escrow after being told I could send to the escrow and have it verified then being told no you have to send it to the buyer direct.

So don't go off topic here and go down the road of "exit scam" for a small bit of silver that is NOT the issue here.

If you're so worried about shipping to the buyer

1) USPS includes tracking if you purchase the shipping online, no matter what type of shipping it is.
2) Spend $3 out of pocket and ask for a signature, if the buyer is unable to sign for the package he can pick it up at the post office.

At this point I'd rather buy silver off this guy than OP.

https://i.imgur.com/dzXKGVt.jpg

Reviews:

-That's how escrow works here: as described by everyone else
-Techshare is reputable enough to where I would probably just send first knowing they wont want to wreck their account over a tidbit of silver.
- 4 pages of back and forth and time spent explaining and encouraging is worth more than $200 of btc that is at risk.
- look back at thousands of auctions here.  Not a peep about escrow like what you are explaining is being asked for unless the reciever does not want to give out their address to the seller and escrow has agreed to reship due to this fact.

 
The BUYER has asked me NOT to use a signed for service like UPS or FED-EX...

and I was offered Verification by MJ in PM...

Both convos are here for you to look over if you can't understand what I am telling you...

https://i.imgur.com/F19Z5lX.png

https://i.imgur.com/H82ZfC1.png

I agreed to sending it to MJ I have no issues but I WON'T send via standard post....

MJ also offered the verification then they both backtracked to saying no direct send.

So I was offered to send it to the escrow and now that option is no longer available for what ever reason and I have been asked to send it by "standard" post directly to the buyer.

its not Escrow in any sense of the word

Being in escrow is a contractual arrangement in which a third party (the stakeholder or escrow agent) receives and disburses money or property for the primary transacting parties,

Tecshare most likely does not want Fed Ex or UPS if they use a post office box.  I do the same.  You can still send via postal service TRACKED so you can prove it arrived.   If you send Tecshare the bar you will get paid.   I know this I have I have done many successful trades with Tecshare and there is never any drama.  Look at their feedback for verification of their trustworthiness.  If you cannot trust the systems which have worked on this forum for years then you should not be trading here.

Grow up kid... move on..

and shitting myself over what exactly??

I can't wait for the reviews to come for the bars that have been send out already..

Then we will see who is eating there words.


and thanks for the - trust by the escrow agent..

Just showing there not willing to ESCROW this deal in a proper manner.

I await post's from last of the V8's and Corrosive on there bars delivery will be on Monday so you can just hold you horses until them.

and as far as I am concerned the escrow offered is not escrow at all.

normal post is not signed for in the UK nor is it signed for in the US....

He said  Normal Post....

You can add Signature confirmation to any type of USPS shipment. UK I don't know about.

https://imgur.com/9sWgEic

Oh really? That’s funny because your post office website says otherwise: https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/uk-signed

Sounds like you did the same research on shipping methods that led you to believe MJ might be a scammer and that your silver bars are more sought after  than a 1000 BTC Cas coin

are you thick?

NORMAL POST.....

not Signed for post....

there two different things

Whatever mate...

You think name calling is going to help?

I am putting a stop to this now before this get's out of hand "again"

For the record.

I have said I would accept MJ as escrow if he was receiving the bar and funds and being a proper escrow as he said in his PM he could do.

I do not accept sending the bar to the buyer without proof of payment to the escrow (which I was told I could not have)

No one else has had this issue the other bars are on route to the buyer with no issues.

So we will await there reply to the topic until then we will wait and see who has integrity here mob rule and bully tactics won't work with me i'm afraid I've been about here longer than you will ever be rxalts...

Don't bother with a reply because you say nothing of substance anyway other than trying to troll the topic into the ground with your alt account.

I have put trust in someone here just seems you can't read or don't want to read.

I have send bars out already 2 of them 1 escrow and 1 paid..

I think we wait for them to reply then we will see.

Until then I will continue to speak with MJ and Techshare via PM..

This is actually fair and I support you MagicByt3 in your slight skepticism after reading that if true. If it was your chosen escrow (meaning you sincerely trust the escrow) then I could see you being a little more trusting. However with TECSHARE asking for his escrow choice and then you being refused the escrow address is a bit alarming.
Even though I trust both TECSHARE and minerjones with easily over 1BTC I also strongly believe in "verify, don't trust".

Your fight here should be about blockchain transparency and nobody would be arguing with you. I have always seen the escrow'd address while on both sides(buyer/seller). This seems odd.

Also the fact Techsahre is sending me PM's now saying NO SIGNATURE on the delivery..

https://i.imgur.com/VfPfe2I.png

this is not normal practice for anyone I feel bullied into using some escrow service I have no proof of payment, not allowed to send recorded SIGNED FOR delivery and being threatened with my reputation in the topic.

I have already been - trust by MJ on my trust list.

As far as I am concerned I will retract the bid and await my review from the buyers and escrow that has been accepted.

If you think these sort of bully tactics will work in getting what YOU want over whats best and safe practice then you have another thing coming.

I also find it horrible to see that Bitcointalk has stooped so low like this with threats by people with trust to new services (Yea i've read all the topics with VOD)  and others.  And I won't be dragged into something like that with you techshare or MJ for that matter.

The terms of the Escrow are ALL in favor of the buyer with NO proof or Verify of even a payment to the escrow.

There was even the offer of using the same escrow that has been very helpful to the situation from the start but again they said no to this option even thought 2 other bars went this way..

The only people being difficult here are you guys I was more than happy to ship to the escrow but for some reason that was not acceptable so the deal is off in my view.

TECHSHARE won't give me the TXID... or allow signed..

What ever you guys are trying it's not going to work..

I think your little ruse on the new silver seller is about to unravel in your faces.

Let's await  the 2 buyers reviews from here on in...

Who's being difficult now?   Not me I was more than willing to accommodate but not when the terms are stacked against me

I tried to give MagicByt3 one last chance to solve this privately, but clearly my, and every one else's breath is wasted on him. Let me summarize the situation.

1. MagicByt3 runs a shady auction which makes everyone doubt his integrity over 0.002 BTC
2. He then argues with everyone about it, says hes new, but wants to tell us all how auctions work
3. Because of his behavior I insist on escrow, and of course he again wants to tell us all how escrows work refusing to meet the terms of the buyer
4. He demands to pick the escrow, I tell him no and insist on an escrow of my choice
5. Accuses me of making threats to him that never happened.
6. He then posts my private messages without permission (I gave you permission to post PMs up to that date, not all future PMs forever more)
7. even more arguing

In summary, great job ending your reputation here, because now no one will touch you with a 400 foot pole after this little shit fit.


Just to clear some stuff up. I sent payment to Minerjones, and I asked for my TXID to be kept private. Expecting escrow to work like it does every other time I used escrow, I expected the seller to ship directly to me, as others have explained, shipping to Minerjones just wastes more time and money, and provides the seller absolutely no more protection than shipping directly to me. This guy clearly doesn't respect my privacy after posting a bunch of my PMs without permission, why should I trust him with my TXID? Either he trusts Minerjones or he doesn't. Him having a TXID doesn't offer him any more protection whatsoever if Minerjones is intent on defrauding him.

This is just more childish foot stomping because he couldn't have it his way. I asked for standard no signature post, which of course would include tracking. Requiring a signature is just more bullshit I do not want to deal with. This is just you being a child and stomping your feet demanding to dictate how it is. Let me tell you how it is. You have no future trading here, and it is all because you enjoy dictating to your customers how it is, more than you are concerned with serving your customers.

I am not releasing you from your contract with me. You agreed to sell the bar to me. Are you willfully violating our contractual agreement now?

While I'm new here also and I can agree with most of these points... I think one of your points is a little off base...(based on my experience with other platforms)

3. Because of his behavior I insist on escrow, and of course he again wants to tell us all how escrows work refusing to meet the terms of the buyer.

- As a seller, if I wasn't comfortable with the terms of the buyer I would just cancel the sale and not sell to him and let it end at that. This is how I conduct business on eBay and other platforms and yes I occasionally get negative feedback when I cancel someone's sale, it's not worth the hassle of possibly getting scammed (not saying this is the case here, I'm saying if there is ANY drama with the buyer I just cancel the sale). There is tell-tale signs on eBay so it's not exactly the same as on here but just wanted to state my opinion.

We aren't on eBay. Perhaps you should lurk a little bit longer before telling a guy who has been here for 8 years how things work here. He engaged in a contract with me. I insist he honors it. It is that simple. Frankly I think he was hoping for more money, and him being exceedingly difficult is his attempt at getting out of the agreement so he can try again for more. None of his behavior here makes me think he is above this.

His OG post states:

:Shipping:
Ships from the United Kingdom with Royal Mail Tracked & Signed for on delivery.

If you were concerned about privacy and didn't want a signed delivery maybe you shouldn't have bid in the first place?

1.  Incorrect I have already explained how the auction was to go down and someone didn't realized that the open price is 0.01 and bids go up in 0.002 increments
that issue was resolved and the bids we're closed as per the discussion in the topic and via DM's


2. Just because something is not of the same format as your used to dose not make it wrong.  the logic behind the sale is CLEAR now and I accepted that I could have made it clearer.

3. Your first DM to me was you telling me you wanted to use MJ as escrow but escrow is where the agent holds BOTH goods.  I also said I would cover the cost if there was any for this.  Escrow is to protect BOTH party's not just you and me sending direct to you without ANY proof of payment to the escrow is crazy!

4. Can you show me this "Demand" that I pick the escrow?  I believe it was you who picked MJ not me?
I suggested to you we use Corrosive as he was kind enough to step up and offer the service as a resolution.
Please do post my DM's if you like about this conversation there was never a demand at any point.


5.  When there is clear manipulation I would rather be transparent that hide in DM's and it shows that I am indeed correct about the issues I have raised.
There is NOTHING in the DM's that affects your privacy.

6. Replying to accusations is not arguing I have tried to be as neutral as possible in this situation while you have made threats and bullied the situation to your own terms.  ( see postage terms in main listing )  So it's clear YOU are changing the terms to SUIT you.. and claiming it's some privacy issue when it's not.  You could get anyone to sign for the package...


https://i.imgur.com/tzFP1L0.png


In reflection I believe it's your own stubbornness and attempting to lord you 20+ trust on a new service on the forum..

Your welcome to leave at any point..

New, right... So what is your main account?

I don't know, maybe it was I thought I was dealing with a reasonable person that would serve his customers. If he wants to pay Minerjones to reship to me, he can ship to him. I have no reason to put up with this nonsense and have been more than reasonable. None of this excuses any of his other behavior violating my privacy and being some of the most shit customer service I have ever had.



MagicByt3, fix your quotes. I really don't want you speaking for me, and I am not cleaning up your mess just to argue with you pointlessly.

Don't back down now techshare you were doing so well.....

or is this other person you want to bully.

Bully you? The only one bullying you is yourself ironically. You act like a small child, so I treat you like one. You demonstrate you can't be trusted, so I trust you with nothing. That is all there is to it. You said you would cover the costs, so if you cover the reshipping costs to get it to me from Minerjones, ship it to him. So are you going to honor our contract or not?

No nothing is going anywhere.. You tried to bully me into this escrow under your NEW terms and I plan to expose what you tried to do..

Your making claims about stuff that didn't even happen like the 0.002 bid which has been cleared up but you insist on using it as it's the only thing you have to relate it to...

Further more please do release my conversations to the community I won't be held over the fire by anyone ever...Not you not MJ not ANYONE..

My terms were clear.

You then wanted to change them to suit your own needs..  
No signed for delivery which would give me NO PROOF of posting or delivery to your address.
NO proof of payment to the escrow.

So why should I be held to the contract when your clearly bending it to your own needs..

No one is sending bar's of silver out with NO proof of delivery and some escrow service that won't be the full middle man.

And to be honest right now I don't know If I would even want to send it to the escrow since he clearly just red trust me when you both realized the war was lost.

I look forward to the reviews from the helpful members that took the time to assist in this matter and it's sad to see people lording there status here as a way to change terms of sales to there will..

Magic

Magic....do you understand that MJ’s escrow fee on a 1 BTC Cas coin trade is worth more than your silver bar? Please don’t make ridiculous claims that’s you don’t trust him to not steal your bar bc he left a negative yet accurate review of his current experience in this trade.

Where did I say that??  again more speculation.

I never said anyone would steal anything in this entire topic..

Maybe you like to send your goods out to strangers online without any sort of verification or proof that a payment was even made but I don't.
Also where have I ever claimed that he would steal the bar.... this is your thought in your mind and you are attempting to push it as my narrative.

I have made it 10000% clear..

If we are to use the escrow service I require it being send by the method I listed not by the terms of the Buyer.
If we are to use the escrow I require both the funds and the bar to be sent to the escrow for verification.  (Including proof of payment to the escrow ON CHAIN)

If this is not acceptable then the deal is off. It's that simple I offered to cover the cost at my expense for the reshipping on to Techshare.

If the above is unreasonable then your living in crazy land and there's no point in any of this.

I have 2 bars out now I am happy to wait for the results of that and get my reviews for them.

But I won't be sending non-signed for to some address while I have no proof of payment to the escrow..

End of..

I didn't bully you into anything. I made demands to protect myself, because you have demonstrated you are not to be trusted absolutely EVERY step of the way in this process start to finish. Nothing I asked for is unreasonable. I already stated if you are willing to pay Minerjones for the reshipping cost to get that bar to me, you can ship it to him with all the signature requirements you like if it makes you feel better. Is that not good enough now or do you have more demands to make of your customer? This is more like a hostage negotiation than a sales thread, and I am dumbfounded as to why you think any of this serves you. I am not "lording over" anything. I have demonstrated I can be trusted with funds over almost a decade. You have not. It is as simple as that. At least everyone knows to avoid you now at the very least. So will you be shipping to Minerjones, covering his cost to reship it to me, as you said you would?

This should hopefully be the last post in this thread once magic agrees as this should satisfy his demands...

Now that I have agreed to his demands, of course needs to draw this out even longer by disappearing. I wouldn't trust you with a pack of saltine crackers.

I believe I have proven myself by sending the bars out to corrosive for himself and last of the V8's If that is not showing that I am capable of dealing with reasonable users then I don't know what will..  Your welcome to wait for reviews if your not comfortable with the situation.

At ever turn in your posts you have made accusations about my service.  

I can quote them if you really want.

You have made claims about the jimjam bids and MJ jumped in my topic and admin it over who's bids are accepted and not, now I do agree that I could have made the explanation on the bids clearer but for some reason you believe there was some kind of malice behind this when it clear there was none.

Your only accepting the terms now because I have outed what you were trying to do over PM and you have changed you song to lets just do it that way because you KNOW that this is how escrow is supposed to work.

You didn't ask for anything you demanded it.. be that shipping with NO proof and No proof of payment to the escrow so tell me why you think that anyone would accept this sort of terms?

You also clearly didn't read the listing and are looking to have the terms changed to suit you while leaving me with nothing to protect myself with.

If the above is not acceptable then you can cry all you want about it but I won't be sending any products out until I am satisfied with the escrow I'm not a business i'm a person so I should be afforded the same protection via escrow as you are.

You clearly stated NO Signature well sorry but the service I will be sending with requires one and the fact the escrow has gone and given me a red trust just kind of seals the deal as a non-starter in my view.

I was happy to go ahead but now it seems it's more of a ruse to push me to send out with no protection to me...

I am well aware of what you guys do on the forum but past events don't dictate the future.

Don't trust.. Verify

Which is what will happen on delivery of bars 1 and 3 to corrosive.

What about a half opened pack?

When MJ replys to me with a TXID of the transaction I am happy to send MJ the bar and get this mess out the way..

No proof no deal it's really that simple.

Disappearing where? 
Are you really high or something?

If I send MJ 0.01 BTC will you stfu already and close the deal?

You want now the escrow to hold my money, the bar, and you want to be free to violate my privacy even more? You seem to be a big fan of technicalities, so lets look at the technicalities. No where in your auction did you post a requirement for the TXID to be disclosed to you to use escrow. I agreed to your other terms to ship to Minerjones, so you are arguing with yourself about nothing on that front. Are you going to honor your contractual agreement or are you instead going with this story that two of some of the most trusted members on this community are engaged in a conspiracy to defraud you of $100 of silver?

As this is a privacy thing for TECSHARE and you have broken your ability to keep PMs private I now wouldn't trust you to not release the txid in spite.
This just keeps turning into an even bigger auction fail.
I will send the funds myself to a public escrow address shared here by minerjones just to stop this from continuing further.
Horrible auction from start to finish.
Funds to be returned to me when TECSHARE receives bar and escrow released.

Sorry but I don't consent to turning this into a 4 party contract. I understand you are trying to help, but he shit his bed, he should sleep in it.

No where in the listing did it say I accept escrow either...

I am a big fan of P2P transactions and not middle men.. something the bitcoin community seems to relish these days...

You also said MJ was already holding your payment so what is the issue?

All I wanted was proof (On Chain) of the transaction to escrow taking place to be sure the middle man is indeed holding the funds.

I ship the bar to MJ he's verify's it as per his DM to me and re-ships it onto you..

I get my payment you get your bar nothing crazy there..

What you we're proposing was crazy where you "claim" to have send the payment but provide no proof of it and then attempt to have me ship the item with NO proof of delivery to you.

Sound about right?

Good for you. As I already stated, you have already posted my PMs without my permission here violating my privacy repeatedly. Every step of this auction has been a failure. I don't trust you to have my transaction information. I have agreed to have you ship it to Minerjones so he can reship it to me at your expense. The ONLY way this would end in theft for you is if Minerjones were to defraud you at this point. Having my private information doesn't offer you any more protection, this is just you making unreasonable demands. You have given me no reason to trust you and every reason NOT to trust you. Minerjones makes more than your entire auction is worth in seconds. The implication that he would lie about receiving funds or would not ensure your payment is totally asinine. Honor your agreement, ship to Minerjones as you contractually agreed to. As I said before, this seems to me like you simply being dissatisfied with the final price, and finding any excuse to break the contract you formed so you can try again for more.

I'm not being backed into a corner in PM's then let them post here what they want all you to see..

There's is nothing in his PM that effects his privacy.

I thank you for stepping in but I have already had a member step in and offer to resolve this matter and they declined even though it would have been a ideal solution for all party's involved then he attempted to have be change the way the item ships to be done with NO proof of delivery even thought it was in the terms.

also the use of escrow was no something I was looking for by now his bar would be on it's way to him in the post along with the other 2 but dew to his own distrust and skeptical claims about the sale it's turned into this..

I also have been given -trust for no reason by the escrow agent.

So where did this all go wrong.  maybe it was MJ jumping in and invalidating user bids?  when they said they didn't know how the sale was to work because it was not the "same" as there sales here...  I'm not going to beat about the bush anymore you have made a new service that made a mistake of not giving enough info on the sale into a shit show you also then used your reputation to try bully it to be on your own terms..

You also stepped into another users topic and attempted to admin the bids without permission so why in the hell should I continue with the deal?

I know I will have 2 very happy customers in the next few days on receipt of there bars and I might as well just wait for them to reply to show I have TRUST and can be trusted to deal here without all this nonsense in PM's and secrecy behind the deals.

That is very good of you to speak for me and make choices for me what parts of my privacy I should value. You should continue with this deal because you formed a contract and you should honor it. Regardless of how the other buyers feel, none of this effects your behavior here or makes you trustworthy. You claim you can be trusted, based on what exactly? At the same time you claim Minerjones can't be trusted just so you can dictate exactly everything to the point of purposely violating your contractual agreement because you wanted more than you ended up with. What are you even arguing with me for? Ship the bar to Minerjones so we can all get on with our lives.

What a shitshow.... round and round and round.... how fucking stupid.... all this over a couple hundred dollars worth of silver total.  What a joke.  OP, I would NEVER deal with you.  Your stupidity and lack of customer service shine as bright as the sun!!  

customer service > trying to be right(which you are not)

Lock this crap thread and melt the last stupid bar already.  

@TECSHARE..... I know somewhere to get you a nicer silver hand poured bar.

I find it ironic you want to use the privacy excuse when you are buying items to be shipped to a physical location. The OP states signature required and payment should me made to the BTC address in the post. Tecshare if you had an issue with either of these requirements and/or were worried about your privacy you should have 1) not bid 2) not pay in bitcoin 3) send the BTC from an exchange. Please stop using a privacy defense as you had plenty of options to conceal it. Having a signature vs not having a signature on a delivery is not a privacy concern. Also what's with all this alt account talk, are all you guys really that paranoid?  The only reason I came back to this forum was to notify Dignity coin holder of the FBI investigation and then saw these cool crypto coins and started buying em.

No problem... since it clear the "group" of you is quite against new silver services here on the forum i'll just close out the topic if you like.

Nothing I have asked for in this is unreasonable in any light.

But what has been demanded of me is a little unorthodox in my view if you can't see my points which have been raised then I am sorry but I won't be hounded by a group of people over something trival like a TXID as proof of payment to the escrow.

Buyer has the option of wasabi wallet for the transaction if his privacy is so important but again if he's already send the funds to escrow and it's forward to me I still see the TXID at the end so there no argument about that..

I also like how the merits cycle between all the people who are jumping in on this now and how the trust's work between them all very fascinating to be honest.

Techshare picked the escrow not me.
Techshare then wanted the terms changed for postage not me.
Techshare then refused to prove he had paid the escrow any funds.

Sorry but that in my view is manipulation by the buyer he didn't read the terms or how the bids were to work then made demands on how they wanted the deal to go down..

A few $100 or a few $1000 the value is of no matter it's the principals that matter here and how I have no way of verifying that he actually did send funds and I would not have any proof of delivery so I am basically blindly sending it DIRECT to the buyer without any way of proving anything if that's how you see escrow working here then the god help you..

How is that unreasonable from a seller point..

It's not that deep bro

Yep, "the group" is at fault, not you. What is unreasonable? Just about every part of this auction. When I bid, I bid under the pretext you were a forthcoming and reasonable person. The way you conducted the auction demonstrated otherwise. The only person you have to trust here is Minerjones. FFS his ACCOUNT alone is probably worth several grand. I am sure he is going to burn his reputation just to rob you of $100. Of course this has nothing to do with trust, this is just you obsessing over being able to dictate the situation to the point pf purposely trying to violate your contractual agreement. Nothing you have done in this auction is reasonable.

Same way I trusted that bars 1 and 3 will reach there destinations by Verifying with the people involved.

Privacy argument is just another way to keep this going in my view end of the day if he sends the TX to the escrow then the escrow send it to me I could easy check the tx on chain so the argument is so stupid it makes me laugh unless MJ is going to coinjoin the UTXO out to after wasabi which I doubt.

Actually MJ had been given some rep by people I have on my trust list and I know he is a big name in the space in regards to the market so I don't have any concerns over MJ but not I think this topic has got out of hand and no matter what I do not they will red trust me even when the bars are proven to be legit the fact MJ has now revoked his red trust as of 15 min ago on my account says something is not quite right with this situation..

Techshare didn't stick to the terms of the OP it's that simple then attempted to use someone else's bid as a leverage tool in the situation to make out I attempted to gain an additional 0.002 btc when it was his lack of understating of the process..

I think everyone can now see how the bids we're supposed to be and I didn't try get any payments from the bidder like he's claimed in his posts.

I am very frustrated with this as I have been a good member here for quite some time don't nothing but help users  and report scammers and frauds on the boards and now they are holding my reputation here over a knife to get there own way in the sale..

Step back and re-think what your doing here guys your really putting me on spot for nothing more than a misunderstanding and trying to use it against me.

Again.. I would like to wait for the other bars to be delivered to the escrow and have them review it from there.  I'm not here to cause problems but escrow terms should be accepted by both the buyer and seller in my view if there cannot be a middle ground then there cannot be a sale it's that simple.

Thanks

Magic  

You didn't stick to the terms in the OP yourself. This isn't just a misunderstanding. This is you willfully being obstinate and refusing to admit your mistakes or take any accountability for them whatsoever. I agreed to have you ship to Minerjones. He already has payment. Literally the only thing holding this all up is you with your petty and unreasonable demands. You don't get it, you could have shipped the other buyers gold bars and your reputation is over here anyway. It has nothing to do with me "holding your reputation over a knife". I don't even need to negative rate you. Shit I will even request Minerjones remove his rating for you if you like. It doesn't make any difference though, because you held your own reputation under a knife and chopped it up into little pieces. No one else did that. You did.

Again I never asked for it to be removed at any point... Again that's your perception on it.. That your are trying very hard to push as my actions...

I believe if someone has red trust you should prove to remove it was removed for whatever reason they have to remove it.  But it was NOT removed because I asked like your claims say above. I made a point that my account had been tagged and now it's been removed it was an observation.

Nothing I have done or said is unreasonable at any point.  I have actually tried very hard to resolve this and I was surprised that the escrow was not being a middle man as expected.  I asked for a TXID to show a payment was made to the escrow then the terms of the posting were changed by the OP not asking me but demanding it.

Kind of like you are demanding the TXID? Having the TXID literally offers you ZERO additional protection. This is 100% about you demanding your customer strokes your ego because you are embarrassed about your own fuck ups, and hope to deflect blame on to everyone else. It isn't going to work. Ship the bar to Minerjones so we never have to interact ever again. Please.

So you agree MJ's job is to recieve the bar and the funds??

Because this IS NOT THE process that Techsahre asked for in PM's  so your again proven to be talking rubbish and just spamming the topic with nonsense  you haven't read a single post have you?  or you would have seen that Techsahre wanted only the FUNDS.... HIS FUNDS.... to be held in ESCROW...

You are just trolling the topic pushing your OWN thoughts on the matter.

again... your own words here...

MJ’s job is to receive BTC and silver bar and forward on,

That is NOT what the buyer was planning on doing... so.... I await your ever so keen reply Mr Know it all....

What does any of this have to do with the fact that I have already agreed to have it shipped to Minerjones? You seem more intent on arguing about resolved issues than completing your trade. Minerjones has the money. Minerjones will get the bar. What else would you like your highness?

MagicByt3, stop PMing me, I will not reply. You wanted this all in public, you got it. I am not giving you my TXID. Ship the bar to Minerjones.

Ok well I made it clear if you didn't want to prove you sent funds to the escrow then there is no deal..

it's that simple.

Go look at ANY other escrow deal.... the seller is always furnished with the transaction to verify that it actually took place.

Or are you expecting me to just send this bar out with NO proof there is anything in escrow is that what your asking me to do??

This user is also correct it's not normal practice in any light.

So lets just end this here i'll keep my last bar then since I have no way of proving escrow is holding any funds other than his "say so"

Your escrow.
Your rules.
No Proof of Funds.
No Sale...

Simple.

All you have made clear is you refuse to honor your contractual agreements in favor of arguing and dictating terms to your customers. No, that is not how any other escrow deal works. In fact usually escrows only hold the funds, but you demanded he held the funds and the bar, which I might add again offers you zero additional protection, but I agreed to it anyway.

The point of an escrow is you are trusting the 3rd party to hold your funds. The only way your claims make sense is if you think Minerjones is a liar and a fraud who is going to ruin literally the best reputation on the forum so he can collude to cheat you out of $100. Having my transaction information offers you zero additional protection and is only being used as an excuse for you to violate your contract because you are upset you didn't get more. I am asking you to stop acting like a child, fulfill your contractual obligations, and ship the bar to Minerjones.

Neither was your auction "normal" in any sense. If you want to save face here and sell anything else on this forum I suggest you and TECSHARE come to some sort of compromise and YOU take the words and the trust of some of us that things are going to be okay here.

Things went public too fast rather than using and discussing options between the three of you. This drama was not necessary. I would advise you to even use any popular auction host here in the future rather than your format/understanding of how things work here.

I have already compromised and agreed to have the item shipped to Minerjones. MagicByt3 is the only one refusing to make any compromises here. I attempted to solve this in private, but before I even got a chance to discuss it he was here posting my private messages without my permission. I tried to deescalate this at several points. He has no one to blame for how this turned out but himself.

Without proof of escrow being funded...

So you expect me to take it on face value or your "word" that funds have been send to an escrow YOU selected.  When it's already been said in the topic by another users this is NOT the normal practice of escrow with funds.

This is not in line with the terms at all techshare

Sorry but no verification no deal's if that's not acceptable then there is no deal to speak of you have dictated what YOU want from the start and give me no room to even verify it for what ever reason you also didn't read the delivery terms  or the terms of bidding but you expect me to bend to your way to save face? when in all honesty I haven't even done anything wrong..

You can argue your point till your blue in the face but if there is NO way for me to verify funds are in the escrow then I won't be dealing with you..

Sorry but don't trust, verify goes a long way..

I have done my steps to verify Bars 1 and 3 for other buyers no issues but with you we're going round in circles if I can't verify escrow's holding the funds and a transaction took place there I don't see any issue with that and I don't see your argument as valid about privacy either if you send a UTXO to MJ and he sends it to me where is the privacy there I  could look on chain and see the TX after so why not furnish the seller with proof  of payment to the escrow?

You don't have to trust my word, that is totally irrelevant, and the entire point of using an escrow. You keep telling everyone else what is normal, but everyone is telling you what you are demanding is not normal. Good for you, you don't see any issues with demanding to violate my privacy after you have already violated my privacy repeatedly in this thread. Excuse me if I don't have any confidence in your discretion after this.

The only one going around in circles is you. I have done everything possible to complete my obligations to you. All you have to do is ship to Minerjones. I am not submitting to your unreasonable demands. I am not releasing you from your contractual obligations to me. Of course you would like to manufacture any excuse to not fulfill your contractual obligation here, because you would prefer to try to resell the bar to some one else for more now wouldn't you?

No address.. No sale...

No reputation. Good luck to you. Did you ever stop to think about the fact that this bar is worthless to you now? Who do you think is going to buy it from you after this? You might as well melt it down for spot. Or you can let go of your petty need to have your ass kissed and get a fair payment for it from me. Your call.

It's not worthless to me It will look good in my collection I asked for no ass kissing I asked for proof that funds we're sent to the escrow perfectly valid request.

As I said I had these made at my own personal cost for a bit of fun and to do something cool in the community while i'm not going to cover old ground again I would rather move on and keep my silver rather than arguing with you over a TXID and how escrow should work to protect both party's.

Again no TXID no sale.

Take it or leave it your choice.

You don't have to argue. Having the TXID offers you absolutely no additional protection in spite of your demands. You have just as much protection either way. The escrow does protect you. How much more protected do you want than him having the funds and the product? You are willfully violating your contractual obligations out of spite and making unreasonable demands to try to justify it. Frankly I think this is what you wanted all along, your original stunt to try to weasel an additional 0.002 BTC out of some one by forging bids shows you felt like you didn't get enough. Sellers remorse firmly in hand you sought any excuse to try to void your contract with me. I hope that extra $15 was worth destroying your reputation over.

Again your making claims that are untrue.  At no point did I try get additions 0.002 off anyone!!
If you really are this thick in the head and can't read and understand how the auction was to work and still persist in making claims that I tried to "weasel" additional funds when it's clear now BID were to be 0.002..... and they go ontop of the START PRICE...

Shall we do some math again...

OPEN PRICE  0.01 

Bids in Increments of 0.002

Bar was OPEN with offer of 0.01..  there was then a bid @ the bid price....  0.002

You tell me what is the price at this point... now think here it says bids in 0.002 increments...

Just because YOU didn't understand what was going on and your now trying to use that as a leverage point but I think you did because you posted a bid of 0.002 then changed it to 0.01 when you realized that bar 2 was not open.

I am asking for a simple TXID to prove you send funds into the escrow.

If that's not acceptable good luck trying to hold me to anything what are you going to do come to my door? threatening me with you reputation again and again which you seem to like to do around the forum not just here.

You have tried to bend the rules of the auction to suit you... You have used a mix up with how the bidding was to work as a way to make claims against me at every turn even AFTER the bidder explained IN DETAIL what was wrong you continue to make false claims about a 0.02 BTC which to be honest makes you look like a fool not me because the matter has been made perfectly clear.

You saw a new service make a mistake and your now trying to bend the rules of shipping and the rules of the escrow to your own advantage.

I have had word that the bars 1 and 2 have arrived today to there escrow with no issue's.

I have made it clear is the buyer and seller cannot come to an agreement over the escrow deal then the deal won't go ahead. Simple...

And for your information your claims that "this is what you wanted all along" are more bullshit what's next claim you will make about me I wonder?

You can shout about obligations all you want you can make false claims about what happened all along but the history of the topic is still here you first made claims about why I made it self mod well look its all still here.... You have been told 10+ times now HOW the auction was to work and WHY I saw the price at that price point if you choose to not listen to it and continue you slander campaign against me to try make me out to be some sort of bad guy this will back fire on you more than it would ever hurt me.

Your false claims and petty arguments over things like the shipping and requiring no signature show you didn't read anything before you bid.
So you didn't follow the terms of the sale and thus the contract is now void in my eyes.

You attempted to have me send this silver DIRECT to you not to the escrow YOU tried to have me send OUTSIDE of the terms of shipping with Royal Mail Tracked and SIGNED FOR.  You then failed to show me proof that the escrow was or is holding my funds.

None of the above are in my terms of sale you added them to suit YOU and at every step you revert to some flawed argument about someone's bid and me trying to get a further 0.002 your the one looking stupid here not me..

If you don't like the fact you have been proven to try manipulate the situation then move on and good luck holding me to any contract when you attempted to change the contract to suit you after not reading the listing and not understanding the bidding and in my eyes thus voided the contract.........

Have a nice day!

Explaining how you think you are right over and over again doesn't make you right no matter how much you want it to. You attempted to manufacture fraudulent bids, you didn't like being called out on it, and as a result you made repeated unreasonable demands for my private information because you claim it protects you (it does not) as a form of retribution. You are a joke, but at least everyone knows now and you can be left to tell yourself how correct you think you are while no one transacts with you here ever again.

Please show me the Fraudulent bids? 

Please do show me where I did anything outside of what it says in the main listing?

I'm sure if you look it says Open price 0.01 + Bids of 0.002 

That issues has been covered not only by me but by the bidder and I accepted that he didn't understand the process and was very amicable over the situation you on the other hand insist that there was some kind of underhand tactic's going on with NO proof other than your own perception over the matter.

I don't want your private info and I have posted proof of your attempt to change the terms of the postage to  NON rerecorded with signature.

I don't want your coin's either now or any dealing with you..

If you don't trust me that's your view but I don't want to deal with you any more for you conduct over the escrow it is that simple..

If you want we can drop this to meta and have more people look over the moment you realized that I indeed was right and the bidder had confused what was going on you thought you would take advantage of that situation.

The contract is void and your not willing to provide proof of payment to the escrow so we're done here.

Have a nice day..

Do whatever you like, no one is going to deal with you no matter what you do at this point. All because you needed to have your little tit for tat retribution game catered to. You don't get to unilaterally declare the contract void, that is not how contracts work, sorry. The bidder was indeed confused. The problem was when you pretended that obvious confusion was a valid bid and fraudulently tried to claim it when it clearly was not valid. Eight pages later you are still telling everyone how right you were, and just as many people are convinced, that being zero.

The escrow told you payment was made. Either you trust the escrow or you don't. You having more of my private information which you have demonstrated you have no respect for serves absolutely no purpose other than giving you a pretext for violating your agreement, and stroking your ego by handing down demands. If Minerjones was intent on robbing you, having my TXID offers you no protection. You are implicitly trusting him by using him as an escrow, but out of the other side of your mouth you make claims as if his word can not be trusted and you require proof. Just send the bar and stop acting like petulant child.

No proof of payment no deal your continuing this on now to I don't trust the escrow again moving on to something else as you have been proven wrong in your previous posts.

I don't want to deal with you now it's that simple you made me out to be something I am not you made false claims about me at every turn and you attempted to change the terms of the shipping.

If you send MJ a TX and he has to forward it to me then your argument about privacy and info are not valid..

The listing said SIGNED FOR DELIVERY you didn't read it..

The whole point of escrow is so the Buyer and seller have protection.. If I cannot verify that a payment was sent then I won't be dealing I have said that 10 times now..

Have a nice day.

Cant wait until this thread dies.  Its $100 if mj says he has the dough he has it.  This isnt a grand plan to exit scam for a bar of silver.  Good lord this should be the last day this thread has any legs

Bars received today, nice little objects if im honest 👍

Will forward to LOTV8s on Monday when post office opens up.


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Thank you Corrosive.

Great dealing with you I am glad they arrived so quickly and you are happy with them.
And thank you for stepping in to help resolve this issue.

Have a nice day :)

The reason the text look's that way is it's very hard to get perfect on hand poured bars with as much text as this on them.
It actually took the smelter a few attempts to get them right with this much text and the logo.

If I was to do any further custom silver I would be looking to have a stamp made and cast them rather than have hand poured silver again thought I think they turned out very nice indeed.

You mean like you made false accusations about me threatening you? You never did post that quote of me threatening you BTW. Everything I said was true, this whole thread has been nothing but you inventing shit and creating reasons to argue for no reason. Exhibit A, you insist on arguing about signatures when I already agreed to ship it to Minerjones and let you have all the signatures you wanted.

It is real simple. If you don't trust the escrow's word that he is holding payment, trusting him to hold your money and your bar doesn't make any sense now does it? Nothing you have been arguing about in this entire thread makes ANY sense.

Not going to drag this out any longer.

I don't want to deal with you. Your own attitude towards me was terrible from the start from first contact in pm where you said and I quote.

"Your actions regarding your auction make me seriously question your reputability"

My actions have been in line with the terms of my sale at every point you have however seized on 1 small mistake and blown it up into this super topic when anything I say is wrong in you views.

If you don't trust me don't deal with me it's that simple.

As far as I am concerned I have proven my reputability by delivering 2 of the bars to a buyer.

The buyer is happy with the product and was kind enough to escrow it for Last of the V8's..

I don't want to deal with you Techsahre you made this out to be something It wasn't and my topic was hijacked and I was TOLD what bids were accepted and what one's were not from someone else.

You also didn't raise a concern about it during the sale at any point you knew fine well as per the listing how this was supposed to work but you seized on the confusion of one bidder to question my reputation so I don't want to deal with you..

If you can't see that it was a misunderstanding by the bidder on how the bids were to be done in this topic then that's you view.

But I do not want to deal with you or some escrow that won't prove any funds were sent.

If that is not acceptable to you then your bid is rejected.

locking this topic as it's just a waste of time talking to a brick wall..

Thank you to the two people who put some trust in me you really are stand up guys.

Magic

Escrow payment for Last of the v8's bar has now been released.

Thank you for your custom @Corrosive and @LastoftheV8's it was a pleasure to deal with you both.

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You are going to have to deal with this like it or not.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227770.msg53892458#msg53892458

Bar 2 will ship to MJ escrow on Monday 24th.
I will provide proof of postage to both MJ and Tecshare.
A signature will be required on delivery.

I will post update once the deal is completed.

Magic..

I am following this drama for quite a few days. Now that I am out of popcorn, and my hands are clear, I would like to quickly jump in and add my 2 cents satoshis. (just joking of course about the popcorn part, LOL  :))

I will only focus on the escrow/delivery aspect since the way that this auction was handled is another story.

Tecshare does not need to provide you with any kind of proof of sending the funds to the escrow. They do not even need to inform you, or anyone else that they actually sent those funds. This is the reason for using an escrow (peace of mind). It is escrow's responsibility to confirm that they received payment from the buyer, and letting you know that those funds are now securely hodl, and you can now proceed with the dispatching of the item. Even the part of info that escrow received the funds is unnecessary. All you need to know is a CONFIRMATION from escrow that the $100 is waiting for you upon arrival of the parcel. From that point and onwards, you do not have to (if you feel like) interact again with the buyer. All the communication will be between you and the escrow.

If you need real proof of funds existence, you may ask the escrow to sign a message from an addy that holds at least $100 in btc, as a proof of funds (not particularly the addy that the buyer sent the funds to, but any addy that the escrow has control). However, a reputable escrow might even refuse to provide you with such a request, since... well.... if you do not trust the escrow, then what is the point of using them?

the second confirmation that you actually need, is from the escrow again, after receiving & examing the parcel. then you will receive the escrow funds.

I clearly do not understand why you are making things very complicated. Why do you actually need Tecshare TxiD? as a confirmation that user actually sent the funds? As said, you do not need this. Even (in the extreme situation) that buyer did not send the funds to escrow, but escrow gives you a confirmation of funds being held in escrow, you will still receive your money. In that case, uppon parcel delivery, escrow will personally be responsible/liable to send you funds (even from own pocket money).

You can clearly understand that you need to trust (more or less) the escrow, in order for the whole transaction to work out.

Well thank you for your 2 cent's I do take on board your points but at the end of the day everyone says I have to trust trust trust... Did you not think maybe I would feel more comfortable sending out the product knowing the escrow was holding the funds?

I do not see why I should feel comfortable knowing basically nothing other than a shipping address and being told by mob rule I should just trust without verifying not to someone who has never dealt with either the buyer or the escrow I thought it would be a reasonable request to have proof funds were send or are with the escrow.

I was indeed send proof of payment to the other escrow by Last of the V8's so why should this bar be any different?

The whole just trust and don't verify thing is beyond me but again I have agreed dew to pressure to just send to the escrow without proof even though I have made it clear I am uneasy with that situation..

Also another user here supports me saying that it's is normal practice for the seller to be furnished with the funding address.

So mixed signals right across the forum are my reason for feeling uneasy with this matter.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53886116#msg53886116

At the end of the day both party's should feel comfortable with the transaction not just the Buyer but again I will put my very valid concerns aside and ship the bar.

I have taken the advice of the community and will be shipping the bar to Tecshare via MJ escrow without proof of funds so I look forward to being able to put this entire saga behind us.

Thanks

Magic

I think you just put the finger on it.
You should not feel comfortable knowing nothing, but you did.
You know basically nothing about what's happening here and how things unfold, but it didn't stop you to bring on your auction.

Maybe participate, read, trade, learn.
Only then you'll know what's acceptable, and what's going beyond acceptable.

I think it depends on what are the habits of the different parties you trade with.
For exemple, my escrow public addresses have been made public in my escrow service thread so anyone can verify.
But again, this is only me.

Really, this is a community and at the end of the day, everyone has his own specificity.
What matters most is how it unfolds; and I can say that so far you have been trading with the right persons, regardless of the trade's specifics.

teeGUMES has a valid point here. Since escrow is buyers choice, and you might not even feel comfortable of using MJ as an escrow, you might want to seek for additional proofs to "verify".

please bear in mind, that at the end of the day, if escrow refuses to release the funds to you, having proofs that buyer  sent the funds, will be of no good to you (i.e. after a conflict resolution dispute, escrow takes the buyer side, and not yours)

instead of "don't trust, verify", you prolly need to both trust (at least the escrow) & verify (where applicable within reasoning).

you are focused on a single point, but missing the whole picture here

Is everyone going to ignore the fact that his post said signed delivery and tecshare initially refused to allow signature delivery out of "privacy" concerns?

MagicByt3 has in the end done the right thing but there are so many things done wrong by so many people during this auction. Just a little snowball rolling down a hill turned into a huge snowball of death by the time this thing was over.
Two things to say here on this question by kryme

1. "Last edit: February 22, 2020, 01:28:52 PM by MagicByt3"
As the auction terms post was edited multiple times during this auction and was never quoted and left unedited by anyone I can not 100% say myself that this rule was in place before the feud started. Auction hosts should never edit their initial terms post unless it has been quoted in full by another member.

2. Communication by bidder and seller could have eased and avoided all of this nonsense. People that use bitcoin DO care about their privacy a little more than the regular person.. a simple PM reaching out with a kindhearted and reasonable explanation would have gone leaps and bounds here. Between buyer/seller or buyer/escrow/seller this could have been all avoided by just talking to eachother like human beings.
Every one went public and into attack mode from the very beginning. This doesn't just fall on one person, even I went on the offense in this thread aswell.

We go pretty strict here with how we expect auctions to run.. we have been doing them for a long time and a standard has pretty much been set for successful auctions and auction etiquette. Newbies to the Collectibles board some times think they are being harassed but it's just the older members stating how we guarantee that an auction goes smooth. As you can see from reading this thread this is exactly what happened.

Bar sent to MJ escrow delivery should take around 5 days but I expect it to be sooner.

I have given both MJ and Tecshare the tracking information and photos of the item in the post office.

I look forward to receiving my payment from MJ upon delivery.

Thank you

Magic

** Edit **

I also await a review from Last of the v8's when his bar arrives I was informed it was shipped from the escrow to him today..

Initial terms quoted by MJ on 2/18 which include the signed delivery prior to the fiasco on page 1.

Will you stop dragging this up RXALTS..

No point crying over it now I have done what was agreed now...

Blood is thicker than water.. You'll have your day too.. believe me..

Locking the topic it's gone on long enough and the above is the reason for the "self mod" to stop idiots like this posting rubbish that is not constructive in any light...

I will unlock once the Buyers all have there products.

ps welcome to the ignore list rxalts

Don't have a camera here, but Corrosive's pictures (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53890491#msg53890491) show my bar just fine. Special thanks to him for his kindness and efficiency.

Guess it was kind of fitting that a forum-related set of pieces should have attracted quite so much chatter; or should I say interest.

Anyway I'm very pleased with my bar and I hope Magic comes up with more commissions soon. I would look forward to trading with him again.

Thank you Last of the V8's I am so happy you like your bar and thanks for the advice over the course of this.

I will think about the designs of the the next lot and hope next time I can use the advice and guidance given to have a more successful auction.

I will lock this topic again until Tecshare has his bar and I look forward to making it 3 out of 3 happy buyers.

Magic

Thank you again for your service MJ was a pleasure to use your escrow service and thank you for testing the bar I hope the winner will be happy with his purchase.

Just a head's up everyone there will be some more custom silver on the way the designs are off to the smelter so I should have some more nice object's in the next few weeks.

Magic

Just updating, I have received the bar and there were no further complications. Thank you.

Thanks for you custom everyone and with that I will now close out the topic.

Magic