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Users just tagged me with the following:

Reference being: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-01-25_Sat_05.12h/152486.html, i.e. he tagged me for excluding him.



Stuff like this needs to stop.  :-\

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For transparency, my response is a neutral rating:

Red tag isn't visible by default. Its seems to me by rallier (-1). Don't know if he excluded from DT2 recently. But nothing to worry since he is no more on default trust network. And whoever trust him most of them are excluded from DT1 except owlcatz. The reference links isn't appropriate for this negative feedback, means its false accusation in my opinion. However, your neutral feedback is fine for now instead of retaliatory negative.

Current DT situation is not the point, it rotates. I indeed have missed this, and thus have PM'd owlcatz to remove him. Thanks.

DT is manipulated so easily these days, something needs to be done about it. Just the other day one of the Russian trolls wormed his way in, peloso.

We have a situation where the local boards are a problem. All the guys from one nation stick together. The main problems are the Turkish, Russian & Philippines boards. They all circle jerk each other into DT, regardless of whether they trust each other or not. It’s just, ‘oh he’s a fellow countryman, I’ll add him to my trust list’.

They need educating because it’s fucking dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised to see large scams facilitated by the way the above mentioned boards slip unworthy people into DT.

The old system was better. I always said no matter what you do people will complain but completely overhauling it because of a few whiners just leads to more crying and confusion and changing it to stop one abuse just leads to another and it's obvious now that it's easier to collude to abuse the system. We probably don't know the full extent the abuse goes on in some of the locals, especially ones like the Turkish board.

Exactly, I imagine it’s a simple, you scratch mine & I’ll scratch yours. Literally 10 PM’s & you’re in.

maybe its time Theymos updated the criteria, 1000 merits per vote or something that is harder to achieve.

I wonder who these guys learned all these standards from...

Perhaps if you didn't keep posting bile such as this on random users trust feedback walls then you wouldn't get your knickers in a knot.

https://i.imgur.com/RYLRFfG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/d3U6XyW.jpg

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Let's examine this shall we? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872;page=sent;offset=0

Just one positive trust feedback, four or five neutral trust feedback then the other 495 trust feedback are all negative. (and that's just the first 500 of your trust feedback posts from recent working backwards from today)  ::)

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Like I tried to warn you about?

Those ratings are appropriate and unrelated. If you have any complaints, you can PM theymos.

Nice deflection - look to the skies and ask for Devine intervention.  

theymos never responded to my question in his most recent thread.  I have no doubt he won't respond to your wailing then or now.

Your concerns about russian board is too high. In russian local, compared for example to turkish there no trust-because-origin but in return there some trolls and haters from russian local into DT.

And yep, i really think that previous trust system was much better, at least, for people from local sections. There was no trust wars, trust disputes and other useless shit. Russian local topic about "reputation" had grown up to 350 pages since new strust system were invented. 350.......


It's hard to do something about that. After i got into DT1, i received few proposes from different people to add them in exchange to add me. I told them that i'm not interested in such kind of things.


Tagging liars is an appropriate way. Liar is such kind of person, that if he's lying for someone reputation (where he doesn't have any interest), then with no doubt he would lie about trading and money cases.
 

It would be funny ;D

They just have been mading up stories in order to maintain their DT status and to join high-paid sig campaigns. Not only in the Turkish local forum, but in the whole boards, people no longer use this forum. There are just sig gangs and shooters here. Getting 0.0375 btc weekly is enough to fuck the forum.

For months I've been suggesting that the qualification criteria be revised.  At the very least I think it's time to increase the number of DT1 inclusions to qualify for DT2.  Right now a member only needs on DT1 inclusion to be on DT2, I would like to see it raised to at least two, maybe three would be better.  

An increase in the merit requirements for votes and super-votes might be a bit premature, but I suspect that's not far down the line either.  Over the last couple of months we've had as many as 126 people qualify for DT1, out of which 100 are randomly selected.  I prefer that DT1 remain limited to 100 members, but the more people qualify the more randomized it'll be.  I'm not sure how people feel about that, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I tend to prefer stability.  So, we can either increase the number of DT1 members, or reduce the number members who qualify.



I agree with this statement.  There were issues with the Russian members and their inclusions in the past, but I think that's mostly resolved now.

There is no doubt that lauda deserves a warning on their accounts. It is a shame that the person giving it is not default trust. It would be best if people included this member on their trust lists.

Laura does manipulate the trust system and does abuse it when and where he likes.  Even theymos wanted him removed, or so he said.

Theymos distrusts tman also. Lauda's key supporter.

Lauda does PM people, and pressures them to make changes to their trust lists as evidence demonstrates.

This red trust is a good first step. May many more follow.

Stop whining and crying and create a system where objective evidence of scamming or strong intent to scam is require for a trust rating.

Laura has red trust people for far more inappropriate reasons. Too bad.

So message is: "I will tag anyone who dares to exclude me"  :-\

I have no clue how some users are picking users for trust list, but by rallier made me think, these are users they have in trust network http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/152486.html


Blacknavy accused otto_diesel:
So how can by rallier trust both Blacknavy and otto_diesel?  ???


And account bobita (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=963279) http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/963279.html :


I don't see account bobita posted anything outside Turkish local board, on the other hand account peloso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81995) posts mostly in Russian local.  How they decided to add each other as users "whose judgement I trust" on the same week, I have no fucking idea. Oh, wait, there is something in peloso's trust wall about manipulation of DT


Week "number 55" http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-01_Sat_05.15h/963279.html


Week "number 56" http://loyce.club/trust/2020-02-08_Sat_07.44h/963279.html


???


This negative doesn't surprise me at all. There are just more and more shits going on.

Don’t think about it. Just keep sending distrust/red trust to people you never know. Bitcoin investors have already gone from here.

Speak for yourself, bruh!

I must have forgotten ;D

https://i.imgur.com/Mab9Wjm.jpg

I don't know if peloso is learning how the trust system works, or he has been attempting to promote himself.  I noticed him when he added me to his trust list a couple of months ago, then removed me a couple of weeks later.  If you go back even further in the trust inclusion/exclusion history you'll see what I mean.

He was first voted onto DT1 in the beginning of December.  The week preceding 2019.07.14 (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-07_Sat_11.54h/81995.html) he added 150 members to his inclusion list, and 114 more the week after that.  The following week he removed 24, then removed 25 more the week after that.  All of the members he removed are those that did not reciprocate his inclusion.  A couple of weeks later he purged his inclusion list of everyone that did not have him included.  His modifications cause me to suspect that he was including people with the expectation that they would reciprocate.  Like I said before, I don't know if that's the case, I've never asked him to explain his actions.

I'm mostly pointing to peloso as an example of misusing the trust system.  Whether it was an attempt to experiment with inclusions/exclusions, or an effort to promote himself in the trust system, it's the wrong way to go about it.  Sometimes I think it might be due to a lack of understanding, but with LoyceV's guide (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.msg52715278#msg52715278) already translated into 12 languages, one would think that wouldn't be an issue. 

But... I mean... Isn't that about exactly the same thing you tagged TECSHARE for?
So it's ok when you do it, but not ok when someone else does it to you?

You PM users all the time recommending them to change their trust lists, and even have threads dedicated to trying to get other users to copy your trust list..
Pot calling the kettle black..


"He is manipulating the Default Trust system of the forum for his own benefit. Making false accusations."
This is just as true of you, if not more, than your tag on TS is of him..

My rating on TECSHARE has nothing to do with the rating the user in question left me. Can people please stop trying to divert my threads into off-topic discussions? I purposely left out self-mod and local thread rules for fairness, and this is what one gets.. sigh.

I find it entirely on topic that you are defending yourself here from a tactic of which "precedent" you set yourself..


You'd have much more legitimacy speaking against these actions if you didn't do the same exact thing yourself..

I hereby kindly ask you to stop responding to this thread. Thanks. The thread must remain on-topic otherwise it's pointless and can be archived/removed.

This is the exact point I was making about Vod 5 years ago. These people want a system that has no hard and fast rules. They want to define the rules on the fly by mob rule. They then want to set the precedent for tagging people as they please, but then never want the precedent enforced against them. This is why I have been arguing forever for subjective evidence of theft, violation of contract, or violation of applicable laws before rating. How the fuck is anyone supposed to follow the rules with people like this setting precedents? Even the people who want to couldn't possibly comply because they are ever changing, arbitrarily, and selectively enforced.

What greed makes with some people. It's very funny to believe that everything is rotating around Chipmixer and people with "deep DT voting power"

You should continue to reinforce your privacy, maybe you can get a slot. Mading up fake stories, defamation someone, giving people redtrusts or distrusts without reason is okay for gangs. Everyone sees very well what's going on here. I hope the Bitcoins all you earned are worth to defame other ones. I’m out of this topic now.

What happened to you Lauda?

I've just had a scroll back through my PM's and had a read of the few dozen PM's we've exchanged in the past.  You used to be respectful and would seek out other's help finding alts or scammers.  You would give red trust feedback where appropriate and you built up a profile of a respectable person.

Then, you either got onto staff first or started lashing out at others once you attained a certain level (we'll call it DT for short) and you suddenly saw shadows move across your computer screen - you wanted to set others up in "stings" (you even sough my help on one such occasion but didn't disclose why you wanted my information) and your ride down the slippery slope began.  Being paid to wear a signature while posting threads such as this hurts the advertisers whether you realise it or not.

It's clear to quite a few of us that you are exhausted and need to take some time off.  Clear your head - go for a walk - in the rain even.

Looks like people are finally noticing. ::)

Which part of this is incorrect? theymos wants you to be blacklisted from default trust, such is your negative impact upon its usefulness. That, and you were revealed to be sending PMs to other members demanding they remove members from their trust lists for taking actions theymos confirmed were correct, and beneficial for the trust system.

Please stop looking like a hypocrite.

Timelord obviously has not done his homework either, or is incapable of digesting clear evidence or early warning signs regarding Laura's true nature.

Perhaps you should be pushing for objective standards of evidence and a moving over to the flagging system. Where a member will need provide objective evidence directly related to scamming or attempting to scam. Then this specific incident would not have taken place.

You will not do that, because it will remove your own opportunity to abuse other members accounts.

...are you sure about that?

Yes 100% certain. If you had, then you would recognise that a little walk in the rain is not going to reset lauda to the trustworthy dependable and honest member that he never was from the very start.

The rain would likely wash away the remaining fragments of the guise this dangerous and abusive member has attempted to drape himself in to dupe others that he is here for any reason other than to take as much as he can as quickly as he can, by any means possible, that they can get away with.

I watched him arrive and will not be sorry to see him leave.

Unless there has been mass editing of his beginings here, you will not have a problem finding what you need to debunk your ' a walk in the rain back to credible useful and honest member' theory.

The red trust in question here is more valid than much of The red lauda has left for others. Hence by his own clear standards the red he has been left is clearly useful.

Well done to the member that has the confidence to do what many DT legends avoid doing themselves out of fear, rather than what they really believe is best for the community.

If you honestly believe lauda is female you have not endured the original laudaM.

A lot have been said and i don't think we're here to complain about the situation cause it will only dig out somethijeopardy se among user, what we need now is solution not something that will jeopardize the forum in the future. But i totally support the reduction of DT1 to 100 and enforcement of old DT system which seems to the forum peaceful.

You might be right but i don't support the part of including a company name because this is something that has to do with the forum users not the company.

Hey Lauda, I mentioned above but I think you don'T understand it's not just about "tagging", it's about tagging someone with "distrust". Saying someone to untrusted that doesn'T mean to you don't know him, it means you knew him untrustful.
So I am fully exactly to be sure about you don't know me because we don't have any friendly or commercial relationship. So if you tagged me "untrusted" with any excuses with a solid stand, it means you are doing it for your own benefits. On bitcointalk forum there are 1m+ users, Do you tag all users who don't you know personally? No.
People are expecting "trust mechanism" from old-well-known users that they build. But you are acting as a cyber cop that you think. Also, Adolf Hitler thought he was right.
So why we are here.

Small Print: I don't care what people feel about me, but you cannot talk about trust who you don't know ;)) I don't read these topics, If someone didn't send me that link, I never know that this thread. I never visit again, so you can think or talk whatever you want.
Also, I noticed some people act like a racist (I don't mentioned to Lauda here, they know themselves) In the year 2020, we are in the Bitcointalk Forum about cryptocurrency that new form of money. So they are still racist. Comedy-drama movie from AD 1600-1700

I've said time and time again if you look at what Lauda says about women, then you'll know that Lauda is a man.

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As to the rest of your comments, they seem to be directed at someone else or are simply thought bubbles, so I won't dwell on them any further except to say I don't expect Lauda to change, but I've at least made the suggestion.

Lauda has tits... manboobs or double D's ill let your imagination decide

Someone excluding you means they don't think your judgement is good or you are excluded for some other reasons.
Apples and oranges. You should really learn how DT works. There are few threads in meta about it.
Oh, it is nazi/racist/cop card again. /ignored

oh wow is this new?not only lauda but the abusive people from her circle abuses the system,theymos should take actions regarding this a long time ago lets say we take a vote whom to be blacklisted indefinitely or maybe permanently.

The handful of imbeciles from the Turkish language board that momentarily manipulated their way to DT1 with their merit abuse and fake trust circle were always trying to get on to the Chipmixer campaign, that was their ultimate aim and for that reason along with frustration and anger towards those that held them to account, they decided to cause as much havoc as they could in revenge for not being able to get on the Chipmixer campaign.

Reminds me of politicians writing The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act (https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/3162/text)

"Public Law 107-56
107th Congress

                                 An Act

To deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the world, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes."

I wonder what those "other reasons" could be. It could literally be anything.

you can tear yourself a new asshole red tagging and calling everyone who is your intellectual superior on this forum "imbeciles, morons" and other toxic bullshit you come up with on a regular basis,

the fact will not change you got obliterated by a number of Turkish users time and again in every intelligent human activity, the days of you and your puppet masters are numbered, the jig is up jolly loser, you will go down in history as one of the lowest life forms who sold his soul to do the bidding of petty criminals on an internet forum, and got nothing in return except for the total disclosure of your low skill, low info, low intellect mediocrity archived eternally.

I hope you take this total and utter defeat as a chance to start on a path of redemption and improve yourself substantially.

My suggestion to every sane forum participant:

~JollyGood, and put him on ignore; even for pure entertainment purposes, the other NPC trolls here are far more interesting and eloquent...

Vispilio is trying to say that he is pissed because someone exposed some of his friends (and very likely some friends in the past) as bunch of ban evaders, scam promoters, plagiarists, merit abusers...

He just like to exaggerate things and post bunch of false nonsense and defamatory lies, everything is documented in his trust page, I suggest everyone to read references before taking any words of this account for serious.

Doesn't surprise me at all, as long as you morons are including scammers and very shady users to your trust lists, days of users who are trying to clean this community from scam are numbered. Some good old users already left this place because new system allows scammers to "get in", which is opposite of few reasons why this system was created in first place.

I would suggest everyone to ~Vispilio from your trust network.

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Well yes, it can be anything. For example, you can say to someone that you like their work (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.msg53930366#msg53930366) and what they do for community and then exclude them even thought you like what they do.

For the sake of this topic, what you did and what by ralier did is not the same. You have tried to manipulate trust system to get into DT and you got tag for it. By ralier was excluded from lauda's trust network - and they tagged lauda because of it. Some of users are trying to put everything in the same basked, it is not how it works. In this case, I don't see how -ve is good use of trust system, but yet again, I am trust abuser so what do I know  ::)

This really made me laugh out loud for a second time  ;D

I said for a second time because the first post I made was deleted by moderators but hopefully this one will stay. There is no doubt people can use a facade to create a persona but ther eis no reason to doubt Lauda being female. If Lauda says she is female then I am happy to accept it, unequivocally.

Funny post that is full of glaring problems.

Not concrete evidence to support his claims

concrete evidence that marlboroza does support proven scammers and self confessed trust abusers.

This important and independently verifiable information  needs to be considered when considering the core points of this thread by rallier.

lauda should be tagged. I would advise more members include by rallies based on his willingness to make sensible warnings where other DT members are afraid to fo the right things for the good of the forum.

There is more than enough evidence around, you just have to find them. Posting them in every single topic you trolls deflect is waste of time.

Hm, my word is no concrete evidence to support my claim, but your word is concrete evidence to support your claim. Funny troll.

/ignored (this includes your next new account).

Your word is mud.
My claims are supported by post histories I can provide if you deny. That why you are going to hide off under the rock.
Ignoring = scared