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Boy, I didn't realize that toilet paper is such a coveted item. Tried to order some this weekend with my grocery store delivery, no dice. Waited to get some today, store shelf empty. Called one store, nope. Called another store, got lucky. However, I only bought one package of 12. The clerk asked me if I wanted more. I hope that I didn't make a crucial error. Although, I am sure cloth rags and frequent showers will work. Or is running water going to be in short supply soon, too? How long, exactly, are people expecting to be holed up? We only have like 33 presumptive cases in the state that I am in at the moment, and I live in a rather large state.(area wise)

There will be about 10K cases in the US in a week or so. 100K in a month, 1M in 3 months, unless the US government steps in and shows some backbone, close the borders, suspend schools, people gatherings, airports, public transportation and pour money into the development of coronavirus vaccines.

I would buy a year's supply if I were you.  You live close to water sources or have a hand pump, don't you?

I noticed that while toilet paper and paper towels were being horded, the baby wipes were not.  They are slightly more expensive than toilet paper and you should not flush them down a toilet but they are great in a pinch (pun intended).

 https://www.costco.com/kirkland-signature-baby-wipes-900-count.product.11489346.html

Heh, big fan of baby wipes to be honest. But don't pay more for the baby wipes that are flushable (if you don't have a costco near you) As all you're doing is buying something that also can't flush anyway. I'm not a scientist or anything, but I'm not sure how a company can say flushable if it's not something that can flush anyway.

This is going to get pretty crazy pretty quickly -- I'd hoard as much stuff as you can now as this is going to get interesting quick. NYS is shutting down their colleges (and going to fully online) I wouldn't be surprised if other states followed suit.

Maybe try to check Amazon for Grocery section.

WHY hoard toilet paper? It's from Canada. I can't imagine there would be actual shortages of trucks bringing it into the US.

On the other hand, there are a great many things from China that may be in short supply.

Ever since I saw a post about the hoarding of stuff like alcohol and canned goods, I immediately thought of other things that I might oversee when I start to prepare the essentials that I should have. I think our society is that once there's a panic, they immediately prepare for the worst. This toilet paper hoardingcould be a good sign for preparation but worse for the poor. I just think that the poor are still the one who is going to suffer the most.

Went to Sam's Club this evening.  Toilet Paper, Paper Towels, Sanitizer, Disinfecting Wipes, and Soap - All Gone.

I bought TP in The Philippines several weeks ago, but I don't know why I bothered.  We don't use the stuff.

It actually makes a lot more sense in practice to wash one's butthole than to smear shit all over with toilet paper, and all toilets have either a simple spray thing or a bucket and water dipper.  In the U.S. I often deferred on taking a shit until I was ready to shower, or showered after taking a shit.  Else I might go through half a roll of TP until there was no more visible indication of poop although one can know that at a microscopic level the shit has been mashed into every pore of the surrounding skin.  Here in The Philippines I no longer fear taking a shit when I feel like it.

I bought a ton of laundry soap, bleach, etc.  Enough to share/trade with friends and neighbors.  And a shotgun so I could be the one deciding how and when to share what I got.

I hate buying shit, so I always get a costco sized case of toilet paper. It lasts me the better part of the year.

I also have 500 toilet paper tablets, probably enough for 6 months for me. I didn't buy any because of the coronavirus. Just happened to have it that's all.


I honestly don't get the panic over it. There's an infinite amount of things you could wipe with, when I was a kid, we used certain kinds of leaves when we were out and really had to go. (Obviously it was outside the US).

I hear people used to use newspaper a long long time ago. That seems like it'd be awful and leave ink behind. Also I doubt newspaper flushes well. If you choose to use stuff that doesn't flush you can keep a little trashcan in the bathroom with a supermarket plastic bag.

 I'm pretty sure that's how Paul Le Roux started out before getting involved in more nefarious endeavours.

Exactly.  The virus does not cause diarrhea, and TP can't be used as a respiratory filter.

I read this thread at the exact same time I was talking on the phone and the person mentioned he had just stocked up.  No one seems to know why they are hoarding this.

Get a bidet. There are going to be widespread global quarantines, that means possibly months locked in your home under penalty of law. By the end of the month there is going to be no debate over this issue. Prepare. You were warned.

Bringing what?  There are already shortages in some stores in Canada.

Wait when schools are closed and people will be asked to 'work' from home.  Canadians will be buying everything.
There will be nothing to ship when factories close in Canada and farms are under quarantine in Mexico.

Fuck, I never thought I would have to live through this 'end of the world' scenario.

We need a vaccine or this thing will go south fast.

So?   It only kills 3% of the infected.  This virus may give the world an extra few days of food when crops start failing.

It's infinity better to test our quarantine procedures on this virus than a more serious one.

Got started by washing his butt-hole with water?  Or by having a firearm to help influence how and what he 'shared' with others?

Right.  As long as I am not in the 3%. LOL.

I suspect there will be some fundamental changes to the way we conduct business, travel, everyday activities after this
'test' is over.

 'Sterilization chambers' before you board planes, anyone?

In the UK we use ballot papers.

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It's media-driven hysteria again:

1) Probably sales of toilet paper went up slightly, then
2) There was a slew of media reports of people panic-buying toilet paper, then
3) Everyone started buying toilet paper because they thought there would be a shortage because of all the reported people panic-buying it.

Most people just want a normal amount, but are panic-buying because of reports of other people panic-buying. It's self-perpetuating, driven by irresponsible reporters who will make a story out of anything, with scant regard for the consequences. We saw this with the media leaks in advance of the north Italy quarantine, someone desperately wanted to get the story out, and the effect was a surge in people leaving the soon-to-be-quarantined area, so the exact opposite of what was intended. Freedom comes with attendant responsibilities - this applies to press freedom, too.

I believe that in Venezuela toilet rolls were used as currency for a while.

I hope that they will give up this idea of screwing up immune systems with vaccines, and just recommend hot water so that we can build herd immunity. Fat chance though, as big pharma can't make a profit from hot water, and it doesn't lead to a dependency on pharmaceuticals.

Can't relate that much since here in PH locals don't seem to use TP, especially in provinces-side or even in urban, it just...
Well, yeah.

Just prepared canned goods, stocks, good for at least 3 weeks.

I guess shitty ass is a bigger problem than an empty stomach.
But yeah, all over the world, people are hoarding TP. Makes no sense to me, but hey, to each his own.

I agree with some of you tho, most important should be to stockpile canned goods for few weeks minimum.

PH is where I first discovered this trick.  It actually shouldn't have been that difficult to figure out, but some things just don't occur to people consumed with 'first world problems.'

Actually to be fair, my first experience with this technology was many years ago in Japan where they have incredibly complex butthole cleaning technology (with dryers, perfume sprayers, etc.)  It still never occurred to me that the same basic effect could be achieved with nothing more than a water dipper until I spent some time in The Philippines.


I suggest a 50 kg bag of rice and a big bag of charcoal so that well water or ditch water can be consumed with some modicum of safety.  I would expect power, water, and internet to go down in most cities.  Cell phone too perhaps.  I would also expect most of the local security in gated communities to disappear.  Maybe they'll show up again to guide the first enterprising looters to the most promising houses.  Hopefully in the gated communities enough people have enough firearms to form their own effective security details.

I do not think the foresting industries in Canada will shut down. They can operate with all people staying a few meters apart, and driving cars and trucks to the worksites. Same with farming.

While this does sound very nice, I'm also assuming that you live somewhere where this is possible. Going to need a GOOD deal of space to be buying in bulk like that. Wouldn't be possible in someplace like Manhatten (or any big city with too high of property costs tbh)

Kinda wish I stocked up on a ton of stuff at this point. But a bidet works too :)

I agree. There will definitely be changes after this. There have to be. Imagine something that combines the death rate of say MERS or SARS with the transmissibility of this coronavirus.

Sterilisation chambers for air travel are not so unlikely.

Hmm Finally you are feeling what my country felt when in 2014 the government ordered prices to be "regulated" and "controlled" by them (because the market is an imperialist attack, yadda.).

You will probably not have to endure this for two or three years like we did, due to the stubborn politicians (with way too much power) that call themselves socialists. But let me give you an advise, don't stop with Toilet paper, pay attention to all other essentials and stock in advance, anything non perishable that you could not live without. Soap for example. Scarcity comes in waves, first its one item, then its another item, you have to plan ahead.

They might order people to stay at home, so having an ample stock now that you can still go out to buy, could be an asset.

Someone can carry the virus for 11 days (on average) without symptoms, spreading it to others. This is why you must pay serious attention to it, it simply "lags" giving people a false security, act now because by the time it becomes evident, it will be too late.

Just like inflation, it hits just like that. Don't keep all your money in fiat...

But shutting down of electricity, water and/or internet is far I could imagine but yeah much better if prepared.

I live in a gated subdivision where there is tight security from people entering, considering they have families to go home and to stay with, for sure the gate will leave wide open at least for few days.

Anyways, instead of TP, people here hoard alcohol instead.

Like city storm sewer systems, gated subdivisions work in two ways,

1) to prevent the influx of negative factors when conditions are normal, within a normal range
2) to accelerate the influx of negative factors when conditions are outside that normal range

I hear people are selling it on eBay for jacked up prices.      8)

Here people are doing that with masks and oranges and lemons (yes those fruits since they have vitamin c).

We are already used to live without toilet paper so meh. Soap and water is more important anyway...

wuhan had population of 11m
wuhan only had ~100k infections (under 1%)

of those affected runny poo was only a symptom of 5% of those infected

inshort
in a popular city, only 0.05% of people will need extra toilet roll compared to normal use

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also over the 2 month period. the infection rate in wuhan is bottoming out,
meaning for one location its not like a year round problem. but something that can pass in a coupe months

individually people get over it usually in a week-1month depending on severity
yep those that got it early january and severe enough to need hospital, recovered and released by february

so in short
CALM THE HELL DOWN

Dude, if we did that....the news media would have nothing to go back to but Biden....

Right! In the USA, the paper mills are firing up to manufacture tons more TP. They are working overtime. After the scare is over, people will be all stocked up with TP for a long time. The paper mills will have to lay off people for several months. The laid-off workers will collect unemployment checks from government. Government will have to borrow more money just to pay the unemployment. Since borrowing money is actually creating money rather than borrowing it - Crash of Wall Street Banks and Insurers this Week Blamed on the Coronavirus, but the Real Cause... (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/278558-2020-03-13-crash-of-wall-street-banks-and-insurers-this-week-blamed.htm) - the money supply will grow. We will come closer to the big devaluation of cash, and the eventual hyper-inflation.

So, "CALM THE H*** DOWN." All that is happening is destruction of the world money system all on account of toilet paper.

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Guys, did You tried to wash the ass after shitting instead of toilet paper? As a owner of manly, hairy asshole and a fan of spicy food, I will tell that no amount of toilet paper can reduce the burning sensation and shit smear in pubic hairs as good as washing the ass. Also one of my former girlfriends teached what to do to reduce smells and get a dick sucking every time and give no unpleasant sensations to girls while performing the duties.

As a bonus, as a God worshiping terrorist, the clean washed ass is a must. While kneeling before God in prayer, God sees everything trough the clothes. So taking in account God's obsession with hemorrhoids and all things anal (in book of Samuel 5:1), I guess the clean ass pleases God.

Nice to see you again MM!  I trust that you have been busy doing God's work?

There are two books of Samuel, and neither of them has anything to do with what MM says.

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I'm hardly a bible scholar, but do have access to the internets.  it does seem like MM has something of a point and that you are somewhat incorrect in your blanket assertion:

  https://www.quotescosmos.com/bible/bible-verses/Hemorrhoids.html (https://www.quotescosmos.com/bible/bible-verses/Hemorrhoids.html)

It's a sign that people are scared but don't really know why? They buy things as if a meteor was going to hit the earth and all the stores were going to be closed.

Good practice for when the financial system goes belly up in the next couple of years or so. Even if the financial gurus have something in place to make the transition work more smoothly, there will still be a lot of people who are going to get hurt. But, the financial leaders don't seem to have a clear alternative. The financial system is going down.

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badecker. again try researching before assuming

firstly the toilet roll industry is not even a 1% dent of the whole economy
secondly the next financial crash will relate to the lack of pension funds due to the 'boomer' era that happened after WW2 who are now in retirement age

the inflation over the last half century vs the amount of pension funds put aside vs the sheer number of people reaching retirement age is not healthy numbers for the pension industry.
also the healthcare industry would be more affected than toilet paper industry

however getting back to the topic of toilet paper
there will not be significant impact on unemployment numbers because the industry is small compared to the thousands of other products in retail stores. and toilet rolls are not individually rolled by hand. so even in that industry the number of employees are low

I had quite a long chat with the security guard at a major English supermarket, and he made an interesting comment. He had been talking to a customer who had bought two large trolleys full of loo rolls ( he bought the rolls not the trolleys of course :) ). The customer explained that he would take the lot to a market and sell them there for a profit. There are always some people who want to exploit a crisis for financial gain.

The supermarket didn't seem to mind, as it is always fully stocked with loo rolls when it opens at 8am, and sold out when it closes at 10pm.

yep it was triggered by a viral video on social media of people fighting over toilet roll and then adverts on ebay of high priced loo roll being sold. so people thought stupidly they al were gonna get the runs for a year(fiction, diarrhoea aint a big symptom) and ofcourse the profiteers who want to scam their way to riches causing panic to sell things for stupidly high prices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZEhFTQxPc

I wonder why toilet paper is so difficult to find.
We have the same issue in my country. People are so obsessed in buying toilet paper and they are leading the store shelves to be empty.
If this situation continues probably we are going to have problems or finding toilet paper in unreasonable prices.

Do you think that the hoarding will cause manufacturers to put more quality in?

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Meanwhile in the Netherlands:
https://www.nu.nl/279618/video/nederlandse-heftruckchauffeur-laat-megavoorraad-toiletpapier-zien.html

Google "washable toilet paper."     8)

What people need to do is learn how to use the least amount of toilet paper as possible. It's not that hard. Like if I need to wipe my mouth, I take about two inches of paper towel and it works great.

I think that grocery's shops and super markets should pose a maximum amount of toilet papers that an individual can purchase.
It is a matter of helping all families around the world having the necessary items in order to endure this pandemic situation. And we are egoists as people so we need a 3rd party to control this behaviors.

I think it's just fear that makes others want to buy if they see it because of scarcity. I went to the grocery store the other day when there were no cases in my area and had to wait an hour to just get through the checkout line.

Well, I went to Wal-mart this weekend. While I was there, they put out 1 pallet of toilet paper. They announced over the intercom that toilet paper was put out. There were not too many people there, so it wasn't madness. Many shelves were empty. There were no eggs. Milk was low. The meat section was ravaged. No frozen pizza, few canned items, no soup, bread low. I have enough food, for now. However, I will probably have to go back out next weekend to replenish my supply. We will see what I will continue to go without. The ramen not being in stock was a real bummer. I only have four packages left, and will go through noodle withdrawals.  :D

I don't understand why toilet papers are being targeted by hoarders and panic buyers in other countries. Okay, I get it, they are accustomed to using it in cleaning themselves after using the CR. But there are some points that people should understand:

1. We shouldn't hoard or panic buy the basic needs during these hard times. I'm not sure if people are aware of the community immunity especially in times when an virus outbreak/pandemic. It's not about YOURSELF, it's about US. Give your neighbors access to these basic needs because if everyone's healthy and safe from the virus, then the virus will stop spreading.

2. Toilet papers don't protect you from the virus. Viruses and bacteria tend to stay on surfaces that we touch or use. The most appropriate way of protecting yourself from these viruses and bacteria is to stay healthy and clean. One of the best ways to minimize the chance of getting infected with the COVID-19 is by washing your hands with soap and running water (but this doesn't mean that you have to hoard soaps again). You'll understand this if you try to research about the structure of a virus and bacteria, and the components of soap that can kill (or inactivate) the virus.

3. Be a responsible member of your community. Follow the directives of your government. If they ask you to stay at home, then you should stay at home.

Because people are idiots and think some sort of zombie apocalypse is coming where you won't even be able to leave your house. Like, can people really not live without toilet paper? It's not essential. If you had to you could just use an old pair or underwear and rewash it. A lot of people use re-usable/washable nappies for their kids so it's not a big deal. This whole coronavirus thing is just turning me into a bigger misanthrope. It's going to do more damage to the economy than it does to people.

No idea what you're all bitching about for 3 pages... I bought TP online as I usually do. Should I be waiting for Fedex on my porch with a shotgun? (to deter package thieves; I got nothing against Fedex)

People panicking irrationally is not an exclusive concept to this also being a real threat. You have people panic buying on one hand causing shortages, and on the other there are people with normalcy bias doing nothing and exacerbating the spread creating an inverse self fulfilling prophesy. The hoarding toilet paper is irrational. Not being able to leave your house is also known as quarantine, and is absolutely going to happen all over the globe.

Look at what is happening in Italy. That is going to be the USA by the end of the month. They SHOULD AND HAVE TO do this in order to lessen the pace of the spread, because at this pace the medical system will be totally overwhelmed beyond capacity. It will in fact harm the economy, but it is also going to harm people, especially if emergency services break down, which they very well might. It is easy to write this off now when we aren't even in the first wave yet. Come back here in a month and tell me how wrong I am.

In my country, it's no different. Plus, a nationwide lockdown is to commence from tomorrow until the end of the month.

It's just crazy seeing people lining up just for those things.

Rationing is the typical "control" measure. Immediately giving birth to the black market and stimulating panic buys. It doesn't help, it makes it worse. If you leave it alone to the market force, the price should go up slowing buys naturally.

Since most govs have declared emergency, they could just seize the goods anyway. Toilet paper isn't really priority, as you will find out. Soap is, so get that and learn the "India method" (a bidet helps).

Where there is a great demand, there will be "businessmen" who want to make money quickly. And here we have a new ANN on the forum: ToiletPaper Chain (TOPA) -- Discord Coin Exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233128.0) http://archive.fo/CQZJ6
Therefore, we do not need to worry, since the cryptocurrency market can also solve this problem. LOL

https://i.ibb.co/HKLqGyW/1-Dk-Frz-2-Pc-VFq8-YMR0-Lkgh-Q.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

if you know how to use your shower you can also live a life without toilet paper much cleaner

 Most people in North America shower daily; in fact we have a maxim - shit, shower, shave - but we may not always be that regular.  Unfortunately our places of employment/public restrooms don't generally offer showering facilities, bidets or other fancy butt-crack cleaning services so whatareyagonnado?  Going home after a dump for a quick shower isn't an option and would probably get you fired in short order.  Toilet paper is all we gots in most cases. 

But most people are hoarding toilet paper because they believe they will be stuck at home for an extended period of time. I would hope that the employers that still need their employers to come to work would at least have an ample stock of toilet paper. I never thought that I would be put in a position to bring my own toilet paper if required to come into work. I suppose it is possible, though.

I'm simply trying to buy my normal usage amount before all the zombies get it all.

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I will offer this point of view. I think people go to the store, then see that everything is basically sold out if not already then try to buy what is there so that they will have enough. It's not necessarily because they are trying to hold or resell, but rather they don't want to run out and see the shortage that others have caused. This creates a problem for the next people in line that they have no toilet paper.

This thing has an R0 > 4, my projections were conservative.  Looks like we'll get to 100K in a week. 

Maybe they will do a global military-style lockdown to stop this.  If not, in 3 months, we'll have millions infected, in the US alone.

Probably there already are millions infected (or formerly infected and recovered) in the U.S. alone.

That's the most rational explaination for the need to get a very specific type of test kit developed for the U.S., and for giving cease and desist orders to anyone trying to test in different ways.  Also for all 'science' to be run through Mike Pence's office before it is allowed to be published.

The number of celebrities, basket ball players, etc that have been 'confirmed' would lead a thinking person to conclude that SARS-cov-2 is pretty widespread just by ratios alone.  Of course one does need, in order to be rigorous, to consider that 'jet setters' probably do have more exposure than average.

Probably half the world is infected, already. Many people have gotten over it without having much of a sick response to it. It's been going on for a long time.

I heard a rumor that a hospital in a small town had 4 cases, two of them severe. Many people in that town knew, but the officials all denied it. It's plainly being hidden by the officials for whatever reason.

One of my big questions is, How many other things are being hidden?

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I don't think people behave this manner for egotism These are usually rumors Many spread this lie. therein case people attempt to hold on to the present until they catch on. There are numerous of them now in our country that there's no reason to be afraid.

poor people there is a way to live even cleaner without toilet paper and never having to spend money on it at all, but its emberassing to explain how, so people will continue suffering on toilet paper shortages.

only one solution, ditch the toilet paper and start using your regular pail!  ;)

Russian stores have toilet paper, but demand for it has increased.

At the moment people buy buckwheat, pasta, flour, sugar, sunflower oil and toilet paper the most.

I can understand elderly people who buy long stored food, but I don't see much point in increasing demand for toilet paper.

It’s become a little ridiculous, but over here in the UK stores have placed a limit on how many of the same item can be purchased at once which has limited the hoarding.

In the past the big question was, "How am I going to make my $million?"

Now the additional question is, "And where am I going to find any toilet paper to buy?"

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then you just have to buy as a single person multiple times in multiple shops to hamster toilet paper. or everyone in your houshold does that.

people that want to hamster cant be stopped hamstering, except with total surveilance state

You are experiencing what my country did about 5~7 years ago, of course it was laughed off by foreigners. See who is laughing now.

Get that soap while you still can... Saving water isn't a bad idea if you think there will be shortages (we have). Maybe buy and install a few tanks if you don't have.

Fact: Humanity only started using toilet paper around 1920, exactly a century ago, when Americans introduced it as "medicated paper" or such.

The history of the toilet (Water closet?) is also interesting, its on youtube. Very british.

people used old newspapers before that, and before that they used cloth (also wet) or plants

shower hose or bidet

Still gotta wipe.     8)

well muslim tradition is to wipe their ass with their left hand and eat with their right hand, thiefs in muslim world are therefore double punishes as they have to eat and wipe their ass with the same left hand then.

So, this whole thread is useless. After all, we wash our hands after wiping, whether or not we use TP. Or don't you wash after wiping without TP?

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no one in the west wipes with the hands, there are bidets, or shower hoes/pipes. using your hand would be degrading.

In the west of what? Usually the West means the USA or Western Europe.

Actually, using the hand is what God wants. After all, He GAVE you your hands for free. If you don't use them, you are dishonoring God.

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There's a new currency here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q981ano2Xg

Damn that is a hard times for you now, this crisis is maing sure that everyone is showing their characters. People are good until there will be survival. I hope you guys are doing okay.

wiping your ass with the hands is something for arabs that life in the desert, in europe india, and china there are everywhere plants and vegetation and also water (all cities built on rivers) you can use as emergency toilet paper.

and people can keep their hand clean,

thank God i have not been born as an arab living in the desert, must be really disgusting to life as an arab beduin.

i bet this video wouldnt be disgusting for an arab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd4YQ_D1SB0

In the wetter lands, there are all kinds of plants that people can use. Think of the corn cobs used in America before there were Sears catalogs... and before TP.

In dry lands, washing the hands with sand is way more practical than using plants, which often can't be found.

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My grocery store still has no toilet paper.  I went out and bought a couple packs, the usual amount I buy when I run out, but regretting not getting another.  I am not however talking about hoarding toilet paper.  If you're one of the people who did, then take a look at the mirror and you'll see one selfish son of a bitch.  I really need a bidet !

edit: went back to my grocery store today and still not toilet paper.  Went to several CVS and Walgreens stores around me and still couldn't find and toilet paper.  I'm afraid that before long, I'll be forced to use tissues..or.....

https://i.imgur.com/dVjIXwt.jpg?1

Someone dropped two phone books (I didn't realize they still make those things) on my doorstep a couple of months ago. They're printed on something closely resembling "commercial" (extremely thin) TP.

Well, at least plumbers have job security and I would suspect are doing brisk business with all of the replacements people are using to wipe their ass. Only problem is that I am sure plumbers would have difficulty obtaining PPE.

You realize, don't you, that using phone book, or Sears catalog pages, might cause ink and other paper chemicals to be absorbed into you system, right? And what are these chemicals going to do to reduce your immune strength to fight Coronavirus?

I wonder if Mike Adams, the Health ranger, at https://www.naturalnews.com/, has thought to check out how much stuff is absorbed when you wipe. I mean, it might be that CV was designed by its creators to absorb TP chemicals which will ruin the immune system, making CV more toxic and deadly than ever!

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you shower you butt bei either removing the head of your shower

(A) https://i.imgur.com/yYupKAT.jpg

or you use a special bidet solution

(B) https://i.imgur.com/yBdMyci.jpg

or a bidet in the first place

(C) https://i.imgur.com/mG1vgb4.jpg
or you join the sick and disgusting rednecks with their 1 toiletpaper roll a year solution

(D) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mclrqUCpoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mclrqUCpoE)

or islamic fundamentalists that use their left hand

(E)

i persnally recommend option (A) its cheapest and you live even cleaner than with toilet paper
and its not as digusting as muslim solutions with the left hand....

^^^ Right! :D

And don't wear pants any more.

https://eu.patagonia.com/dis/dw/image/v2/ABBM_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-patagonia-master/default/dw6730e989/images/hi-res/83081_FGE.jpg?sw=750&sh=750&sm=fit&sfrm=png

Only wear skirts.

https://cdn1.thehunt.com/app/public/system/note_images/2502333/original/5507e5adbe7a217290b1205c2587894b.jpg

Or maybe kilts.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/181629967049-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

So that you don't have to go through the problem of undressing every time you want to use the commode.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1304385/thumbs/o-PUBLIC-TOILET-facebook.jpg

Especially in a public restroom.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mM5gg_tFy5o/VwcCg79Z17I/AAAAAAAAAuc/ebhOa1hLBfsEVSrOFE5zrpqkj-Kjni7-A/s1600/public-restroom.jpg

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there is no problem with wetness if you use a bidet or a shower, also not if you don't wear underpants.

So...here we are having an intelligent toilet paper shortage discussion and somehow you manage to involve your imaginary sky fairy friend nonsense...who da thunk?

Well, it is said that in ancient Rome, the civilized way was to share the sponge in the public restroom. Of course they were natural sponges...

The Japanese are so used to the bidet, that most of their modern toilets have the feature integrated (often controlled by a digital panel). They have a sort of "portable" version that you can use attaching any plastic bottle filled with water (especially when they travel to western countries); its quite cheap and should be available in Chinese shops. You just attach it to a plastic bottle and squeeze the water out. Of course you could just use a watering spray (with the stream mode), or toy water gun...

They say necessity is the mother of invention... Also i was told on irc years ago that a muslim invented (hard) soap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap#Islamic_Middle_East). Indeed, be more worried about water and soap than paper.

it is not imaginary, but god is remarkably cruel in the deserts middle east.

PS: god is also cruel sooner or later to those that ignore him

 Plumbers probably have a natural immunity to everything based on their work environment.

That is the one I just do not understand because even though things like rice, pasta, tins of various foods, biscuits, cereal and hand sanitisers might be considered essentials in times of panic-buying - just exactly how did toilet paper (toilet roll) achieve such high demand?

Actually, God manages everything on Earth with love, even the minds and souls of people. He is trying to keep people alive and in good shape. But when they won't accept Him, when they reject Him Who keeps them alive, he is caught in a great big quandary: give the people what they need (even though they are ignorant about what they need), or give them what they are asking for... to be separate from God (even though they often don't know the ways they are asking this).

I mean, if your son or daughter asks for the keys to the car, but then despises you, calls you bad, doesn't obey you, treats you mean, talks bad about you to others, makes friends with your worst enemy, etc., how much of it do you take? God takes it all, but finally lets people go like they are asking. Since they can't live without Him, they die... often in great torment, because they push themselves away from His saving hand.

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So it's my fault if I don't have enough toilet paper or am one of the unlucky ones who eventually die from Covid? LOL. It appears that you need to read the whole book of Job again before you spout off this nonsense. Furthermore, you need to reread the parable of the protocol son. Seems like the protocol son got the royal treatment and Job had to go through all sorts of trials and tribulations before eventually being rewarded for his loyalty. I am assuming that you are Christian. Time for you to brush up. It would be a shame for an agnostic to destroy your arguments using your own material.

Yep. Pretty much it's your fault. But if you had not heard of God, it might not be your fault except a little.

The prodigal son returned to his father. Did you return to God?

The joy of the prodigal is in his father's home. Are you calling from Heaven?

Yes, it would be a shame for an agnostic, etc. That's why we all need to remain alert... so that we can show them the error of their ways.

What does it matter to me if you jokers believe in God and are saved or not? I mean, Jesus saved me, and because He asks, I express. But why would I personally care about you? Oh, sure, love. But here's my selfish reason. Eternity is a long, long time. And I need all of you that I can get to be there with us just to keep us from becoming bored (of course, that's the negative way to look at it; but we are still on Earth where negative things exist.).

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You are worried about being bored in Heaven?  :D  Furthermore, bad things happen to good people. There are lots of Christian martyrs that met horrible deaths. Also, I am sure there are many devout Christians in the world today that are simply having to go without toilet paper. Furthermore, I am sure there are quite a few devout Christians who have succumbed to Covid-19, and even though they were devout for 80+ years, they still had to endure a good deal of suffering before getting to rest in peace.
I advise that you stop blaming people for experiencing hardship for circumstances beyond their control and insinuating that somehow your God is punishing them. Life is hard, and most of us suffer to some extent. This includes, your savior, Jesus.

Who is blaming people for hardship? It's the fault of people if they won't believe Jesus salvation... except if they have no way of hearing.

Eternity is a long time. Think about it.

Coronavirus deaths might speed up death a little. The point isn't the death. The point is the security of the dying... that they remain securely embedded in their faith. Consoling them helps, and that is what Jesus does, directly with them as they die.

God doesn't punish people by going out and punishing them. The closest God comes to punishing people is to take His protective hand off them as they push it off themselves.

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Now you are contradicting yourself. You just confirmed that you think it is my fault if I run out of toilet paper or end up dying of COVID-19 just because I am agnostic. Nonsense. Furthermore, please explain why God the Father took his protective hand off of God the Son, even when God the Son begged him in the garden of Gethsemane not to do so? Also, it appears that the flood story and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah directly contradicts your view that YHVH does not punish people. Lot's wife was even punished for looking back. Also, I don't consider Lot fared any better. Living in a cave for the rest of his life and then his desperate daughters engaging in incest with him after getting him drunk doesn't seem like a good life, even when it seemed YHVH agreed with Abraham that Lot was one of the righteous ones, and sent two angels to "rescue" him.

Jesus tells us that we can move mountains and treas (with our speaking to them) if we have faith. You certainly aren't gaining any faith if you remain agnostic. Your fault.


God sent His Son to this point in torment. Why? To pay for your sins. Remember that after Jesus died, Father raised Him to life again... a glorified life. Why do you resist salvation? You attempt to make the work Jesus did for you to be wasted.


Nowhere does it say that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt. She was instructed to not look back. She looked back. If she was punished, it was her own doing by looking back.



What are you even yammering about? Most of the people in the world don't live as good as people in the USA or Britain. And people in the USA and Britain generally live better than the best people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The world has devolved so much because of sin, that people only live a hundred years if that. The best life here is nothing. The goal should be salvation. That's what the Father and the Son had in mind for you when Jesus died and arose. But you sound like you don't want much to do with it.

What else is God to do to save you? He did all He could do for you. If you reject it, it is your own fault. And it will be worse for you, because you seem to know all about these things. If you reject, it will be extra bad for you in eternity.

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My spiritual journey ended when the Catholic priest told me after my confessional that "You cannot be gay, and a follower of Christ." Now, if I am to believe in the Roman Catholic version of apostolic succession, then that is like hearing it straight from God's mouth, since the sacraments are meant to be a physical manifestation of God's dispensation of grace. Also, I already tried the protestant route of saying that acceptance prayer multiple times. It appears to be of no avail since I am still gay. Therefore I must have not been adequately sincere or repentant enough, since it is clear that I am not exhibiting the proper "fruits" which would indicate that my faith isn't a "dead faith." I can only come to the conclusion that if YHVH, the Jahshua version, is true, perhaps Calvin had the correct notion and I am truly part of the damned, predestined since the dawn of time to go to hell. The only hope for this wretch is if somehow your God is really the great "I am" and somehow grants to me the required "grace" to assist me. Otherwise, your "Gospel" is not good news, but really bad news.

Objection. He's not going to heaven. Trolls have a dedicated department in hell and religious trolls are particularly welcome there mainly on the account of invoking God's name in vain.

Gee whiz, I never realized that when I opened a thread to bitch about the lack of toilet paper that it would end up with me going on a tirade about the Christian religion. However, there is hope. I just got a call from my aunt, and it appears her household has acquired an ample supply of toilet paper. So if my stash runs out, I can drive about 80 miles and replenish my supply. Therefore, I can guarantee that I'll have a clean ass for a little while longer.

And catch/spread the COVID-19 in the process... Not a smart move that.

Just learn to use water and soap like your ancestors did, if only to reduce paper use.

I suppose that I could do that. However, I would eventually have to replenish the soap. Also, I would need to regularly clean my bathtub, which expends extra cleaning supplies if I want to maintain some semblance of having a sanitary bathroom. I really don't see how getting in my car, going to my aunt's place and picking up a new supply of toilet paper on her doorstep is somehow more dangerous than going to the grocery store and picking up the toilet paper. Furthermore, if I get it delivered to me, I could catch Covid from either the delivery driver or the person who picked out my product and left the virus on my package. Unfortunately, I live in an apartment, so I don't have the option of installing a bidet. Even if I did, that would involve me either making a trip to Home Depot, putting me at risk, or hiring a plumber, which puts me at risk.

Everybody sins. The point isn't the amount of sin. The point is the amount of faith in forgiveness.

That being said, a person who shoots himself in the foot, complains about it, and then after it's all healed, does it again, wasn't really complaining, was he? Why would a person who agrees with God continue in things that are against God?

It isn't having gay tendencies that is wrong. Rather, it is following them into gay activities that is wrong. There are many people who want wrong things in life, and are tempted to do or get them, but simply won't follow their desires, because they follow God instead.

The Catholic Church has a wrong version of apostolic succession. They base their Papacy on Jesus's famous passage, Matthew 16:18, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it" - https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/16-18.htm. But they forget that a short time later - maybe that same day, even - "Jesus turned and said to Peter, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns,' " Matthew 16:23 - https://www.biblehub.com/niv/matthew/16.htm.

The point is, if you turn to God, turn away from your sins as much as possible, Jesus will take you back and forgive you. He won't let you go easily, once you have been one of His saved people. Is now the time that you are going to return to Him (rhetorical)?

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Well that derailment escalated rather swiftly.
Whats the thread topic again?  Oh yeah.... toilet paper hoarding.
I thought I'd erroneously clicked on some random BADecker yapping godswill preaching garbage yet again.
Easily done I suppose, seeing how it seems to be splattered all over these boards....


On topic....
I just scored some tp and paper towels at local supermarket. Shelves stocked and thankfully no hoarding idiots spazzing out. Limit 3 rolls per customer.

I can mail you some from the EU. We have plenty.
If it ever runs out there's always paper towels and tissues and if that's ever gone we can start washing our butts like people in India and Pakistan. I don't believe we'll ever run out of water. There's also another silver lining. If you run out of food you won't even have to wipe your butt anymore. Somebody should tell that to those TP hoarders.

Unfortunately paper towels and tissue are hard to get in my area too. Also, those items should not be flushed down the toilet because they are not designed to disintegrate sufficiently, so you are asking for a bad clog. I guess you can treat those items like disposable diapers and simply throw them in the garbage. I'm not a parent though, so is that what people should do with disposable diapers? I always thought that was gross when I went to a gas station/rest area and saw those items lying in the trash. Furthermore, I read that COVID-19 may also be spread through the fecal/oral route, which makes discarding these things in the garbage even more disgusting.

Well if the hoarding idiots run out of food, they can always eat their toilet paper stash.
Add a little water to mush it down, salt, pepper....saute...mmmmm, yummy!

From what I can determine,  the same people that hoarded toilet paper probably filled their spare freezer with meat and other items and filled their pantries with canned goods and pasta. I doubt that they will be running out of food anytime soon.

A personal tip if you're having trouble sourcing toilet paper - try the smaller shops. I've noticed a pattern recently - at least in our part of the UK. The main 'big' supermarkets have no toilet roll, the smaller local supermarkets occasionally have some, and the tiny local corner shops (including petrol stations) often (but not always) have some.

Perhaps the hoarders descend on the bigger shops so they can panic-buy a wider range of produce? It's only small-scale local evidence I suppose, but worth trying these smaller shops if you're running low on essentials. Applies to the other 'hot' items these days, too, such as dry pasta.

As for online in the UK, Wilco had some last time I checked, although there's about a week to wait for delivery.

It's also probably more expensive and/or available only in smaller packs and/or quantity-limited in those smaller shops.

OTOH brand names seem to matter more than anything. Tylenol disappeared long before store-brand acetaminophen despite being a lot more expensive.

Of course, hoarded TP won't last very long with the paper mills closing due to CV... or the cops and military not letting the people go to work. The hoard has its benefit. If people are smart, they will start training themselves to go without, and use their hoard to break themselves in comfortably... or save it for emergencies.

Stored TP lasts for a long time.

BTW, how do you know that your TP isn't infected, right from the factory?

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Well I just knelt and prayed really hard to my imaginary friend...

"Pleeeeeease dear lord almighty father in heaven, make my hoarded toilet paper uninfected.    Amen "

Now I'm using the toilet paper and its fine. I guess those prayers must really work....

The chances are small that the virus will remain viable by the time it makes it to your ass.  Furthermore, there is no evidence that the virus infect someone through the rectum. Also, one should wash their hands after doing their business, which further makes it unlikely to get infected this way.

I believe that this problem with the toilet paper existed in the beginning of the coronavirus outbreak.
During the last two weeks i didn't see any problem sourcing toilet paper from markets ( even the big ones).
I am not living in the UK but I think that the same happens all around the world now.

I would be interested in statistics, how many kilograms of meat and pasta corresponds to 1 pack of toilet paper)) There must be some proportion between these stocks made. And above this proportion, toilet paper should not be sold.

here in my country, pail and dipper is the only solution to tissue shortage. tissue is nothing here.  ;D

There are a lot of people who have lived all their life with TP. So, please explain to them if you wipe with the pail, or if it is the dipper. And how how it is done.

Thanks.

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Some TP is mild. Other is strong. To make it differently like this, what about the chemicals in it?

Has anybody done a study to see if the chemicals you absorb from TP weaken your immune system enough so that you get CV?

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sorry but this is getting hilarious. lol  ;D ;D ;D

but for everyone who doesnt know how it works - you need to collect the water using the pail and use the dipper to get some water from the pail to clean your ass...
have you been in the 3rd world countries or remote/rural areas? thats how they do it. no TP needed
actually having TP in the house for them is already a luxury!

So, do they transfer CV through the cloth towel they wipe their bottom and their hands with? Remember, there is a shortage of bleach, as well.

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The dipper method was new to me when I moved to SE Asia, although I'd already encountered the bidet on visits to Japan and my workplace had the Japanese toilets and I'd become a fan of those.  After actually trying it I don't even bother to have TP in one of my bathrooms at all, and the other one has some for other purposes.  It can be nice to pat cleaning water off your ass, but is unnecessary even for that and usually I don't bother.  Obviously a good hand cleaning is in order after taking a shit no matter how one cleans their ass, but TP is useless for drying one's hands after that.

Paper kitchen towels are, in my experience, the real luxury.  When 'panic shopping', which I'd been doing for a month and a half before the lockdowns started, I stocked up on those.

Sounds like, with all the quarantining coming into being, that the paper mills will shut down for a time. If people's hoard of TP doesn't last, they just might learn Asian ways. It'll save them a whole bunch on TP in the long run. But how many paper mills will shut down because of it, when this is all over?

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Toilet paper was just another among the others that people hoard. It made it to the news because it sounds funny but people also hoard masks, vitamins, dry food, paper towels and anything else which is useful in real life. Toilet paper is happened to be one of those useful stuff.

Some people might laugh, when this is all over. But they will respect their decisions regarding attempts to protect themselves until they could find out what the CV truth is.

Once they find out that CV is mostly hearsay and fake news, they will be angry at government and the medical, and embarrassed a little about themselves.

Let's hope we all wake up to this CV medical scam before government enacts some kind of a collapse of society.

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To late.  The die is cast by the shutdowns alone.  Lots and lots of failed businesses, failed lives, and foreclosures are now inevitable.  Actually the monetary system re-set was fast approaching the non-optional point anyway.  They just got out in front of it with this hoax.

We should get signed up with all kinds of exchanges so that we have options for selling our BTC when the price jumps up for a short while.

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Sell for what?  I certainly don't want to be sitting on any country's fiat with trillions being printed out of thin air.

A shit-bag person might do well to buy during the engineered deflation and end up with may more land than they know what to do with.  Of course private ownership of land (by goyim) is probably not in the cards under the upcoming 'new world order' so it would likely be taken away anyway.

That's a good one. I forgot that it's April somewhere already.

They also have a Wipe Paper: https://blog.coinmarketcap.com/2020/04/01/toilet-paper-token-wipe-paper/

For a short period of time, after Bitcoin goes to $200,000, most of the world will still be hooked on cash. After a while, neither Bitcoin or fiat will be worth anything. So get some fiat in the window, and buy fertile land that has its own good supply of water. Get the deeds all signed, etc., so that you have a place of your own where you can grow your own groceries.

In addition to this, there are other important things that you will be able to buy for a short time, before the bottom drops out from under everything.

One Bitcoin exchange won't be enough. It will run out of cash.

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https://i.imgur.com/FCW441K.png

Haha.. Trust Wallet has supported Toilet Paper Token and launched a generous airplop for its users.  Guys, do not miss the opportunity to take part.

All details in official Trust Wallet's Twitter: https://twitter.com/TrustWalletApp/status/1245353766141833217.

Lol, I saw it on Meta a while ago and it was a good joke to be honest ;D. I like how CMC pull off this year's April Fool's day (the first time?), it is catchy and relevant to the current events thus I'm not shock that most of us buy it. What really makes it special for me is the butt-shaped graph hahaha.

And only Yobit decided to use this Toilet Paper Token [TPT] to earn real bitcoins. They have listed this token on their exchange today: https://yobit.net/en/trade/TPT/BTC  And TPT has already made 2X today. I think that Yobit will leave this pair of TPT/BTC on the exchange until the end of the quarantine.

https://i.ibb.co/m5s4m4b/43654654.jpg (https://ibb.co/TMXtZtY)

same here buddy! just need a pitcher to be honest instead of a pile of toilet paper!

You are right, it does not require a bottle. We can use it as such and there is no need to stock up beforehand. There are many of them. We'll find it everywhere, no problem. It is used for almost every purpose and is available everywhere.

I saw a picture on facebook and man it was just as you have said. Some guy had his crate stacked up with tissues and all other things related to it. The people at the supermarket were really staring at them. I know that some people will think of it as being selfish but he is just looking out for his family, In cities, it i severyone for htemselves. I have lived in an apartment and people barely knew each other. If a crisis like this struck I would definetly buy as many things as possible. You also get what you need and store it in plenty, it is time to think about yourself, grt as many as you can and quarantine yourself when you are ready.

It was greedy, and selfish.  In a few weeks there will be a surplus of everything and he won't have used half of what he bought.  But he did deny protection of this New York virus to everyone else.

I'm glad I'm leaving Edmonton.  It's been my home for 40 years but it's too big now. 

I have a feeling a lot of people will be moving to smaller towns after this is all over.

 Costco is refusing to accept returns on items that were most likely to be hoarded.
https://i.imgur.com/dxDvj4F.jpg

 I would like to point out that friends, relatives and even neighbours offered to pick up grocery items for us when we were in a 14 day mandatory self-isolation.  Several of my parents neighbours have offered to pick up grocery items for them as well.  There is good in the world and not everyone with multiple items is necessarily a hoarder.

There was another Run On Toilet Paper in 1973 similar to that of today.

It's hard to imagine such an even without internet.

https://priceonomics.com/the-great-toilet-paper-scare-of-1973/

Well, I went out to the grocery store today. It appears that toilet paper is now actually available, although the selection was only one brand. Unfortunately, the only ramen that was available was a box of 10 chicken ramen's. I personally hate chicken flavor. Still can't find hand sanitizer or thermometers.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the thermometer shortage - did people not have thermometers at all before this? Or is there some reason to hoard them? It's not like these things are consumable or break easily.

You might be able to find some on Amazon that are... marketed somewhat specifically but still work well for general purposes:

https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Basal-Body-Thermometer-Temperature/dp/B07ZRL44D1

I think it is just a supply side problem. Since the items are not consumable, not many were probably manufactured. also, I can see where some people may not have a working thermometer at home since they have been healthy and have no children. I already have a digital thermometer, but it is over a decade old and I wanted to update to one that you can put in your ear and get a reading a few seconds rather than a few minutes. I'll just wait. It is not urgent for me.

I had a cheap infrared one from Harbor Freight that I used to measure furnace exhaust temperature and stuff like that around the house... turned out to be surprisingly accurate for body temperature. Unsurprisingly sold out too LOL. I hope people aren't using it on their kids, it's got a laser pointer.

Signs warning of one package of toilet paper per customer during the coronavirus pandemic are not an indication of supply chain figure. It is more a mark of an event that no one could have predicted.

Toilet paper is a product that is in the "Just-in-time" supply chain. Responsive and integrated, just-in-time supply networks ensure items arrive when they are needed to keep shelves stocked.

This is important not just for perishables, which might first come to mind when we think of timely delivery.
Packages of toilet paper are big and bulky. No one wants to pay to stockpile warehouse supplies just in case of an event like a global pandemic-not manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers or consumers, to whom the cost would be passed onto.

But when world of COVID-19 spread, consumers became willing to stockpile this item in their homes, both disrupting the supply chain system and creating living spaces crammed with paper products.

Just in time supply chains are what helps to keep costs low through the system. But that means these networks are more easily distracted than "just in case" supply chains.

Some traditional manufacturers use just-in-case production and distribution, keeping raw materials and stock on hand in the event of emergencies or disasters. These networks are more costly but also better prepared to respond to surging demand, as we have seen recently.

The biggest hoarder of TP is the sanitation district.     ;D