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Title: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Juggy777 on March 20, 2020, 07:25:10 AM
Trump has been attacking China for a quiet a while now, and just when it seemed that peace was restored between these two nations (referring to the trade deal) the statement made by China has rattled Trump who’s decided to openly attack China.

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When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!" the Foreign Ministry official said.


Now Trump is openly terming COVID-19 as Chinese Virus, and I won’t be surprised if he implements fresh sanctions on China or completely change the trade deal that he had negotiated with them. I’m ruling out the possibility of an outright war, as that can’t happen but I have a very bad feeling that he’s planning something big that’ll disrupt China and US relations for a very long time. Anyone else has any other theories regarding this, or what kind of measures can Trump take to punish China?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/13/asia/china-coronavirus-us-lijian-zhao-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-outbreak-trump-blames-china-for-virus-again.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51025464

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/18/coronavirus-china-trade-136188


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Viper1 on March 22, 2020, 09:10:24 AM
Why would you rule out all out war? OF course it could happen and highly likely it will at some point if China continues to expand as a world power. There's no way the US will allow itself to be relegated to #2. History has shown time and time again that war is the inevitable outcome.


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: squatz1 on March 22, 2020, 08:07:47 PM
Juggy, you know it'd be nice to mention here that when you're saying that 'Trump is attacking China' he's not using the US military to bomb chinese cities or anything like that, he's literally just bashing them in the media for the bad things that they're doing. As they should be. By the way, China does the same exact thing to the US every single day in their state run media (it's something that every country does, not with their allies, but with their adversaries)

Nothing big is company, this is literally normal stuff.

China did botch this by the way, there have been many reports saying that if China hadn't tried to hide this it wouldn't have been this bad. But China being China is what led us into this being as bad as it is now.


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on March 22, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
I would expect China to offer up Reparations to hard-hit countries such as Italy, and countries whose economies took an especially hard hit, such as the US. Absent Reparations, I would expect that calls for war against China throughout Europe, and in much of the world would be too strong for governments to stop.

I suspect the Chinese propaganda is aimed at deflecting the blame for their covering up the initial outbreak, and to install doubt as to who is actually to blame for all the damage.


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Spendulus on March 22, 2020, 10:50:03 PM
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Now Trump is openly terming COVID-19 as Chinese Viru....

Do you have a problem with calling the virus from China the Chinese Virus?


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Hannu on March 23, 2020, 01:08:03 AM
Hey,

I want to get the hell out with politics. If we do not talk about money and business startup  ::)


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Viper1 on March 23, 2020, 02:34:49 AM
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Now Trump is openly terming COVID-19 as Chinese Viru....

Do you have a problem with calling the virus from China the Chinese Virus?
Yes, when it's being done for purely political purposes which is what they're doing. These things do not get named for their location of origin which is a clear indication that they're doing it for other reasons.


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: tvbcof on March 23, 2020, 06:50:47 AM
A piece of text imported from a different thread for people to consider as things further unfold:

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I'll again present the hypothesis I put forward at the start of this thing probably several months ago now:

 - Third country attacks, or using their control over U.S. government apparatus makes uses the U.S. to attack China.  Also leaves a wide trail of bread-crumbs leading back to the U.S..  (Bolton's departure is still shrouded in mystery by the way.)

 - China counter-attacks the U.S. in kind.

 - Both the U.S. and China are severely weakened or perhaps destroyed in the conflict.  Rest of 'the nations' suffer significant collateral damage.

 - Third country steps in to fill the vacuum.



Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: coolcoinz on March 23, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
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Now Trump is openly terming COVID-19 as Chinese Viru....

Do you have a problem with calling the virus from China the Chinese Virus?
Yes, when it's being done for purely political purposes which is what they're doing. These things do not get named for their location of origin which is a clear indication that they're doing it for other reasons.


Does it matter in what context it is used if it's the truth?
Imagine that a man sleeps with teenage boys and happens to be a presidential candidate. Another candidate openly says - don't vote for that sodomite! The other guy responds with -you shouldn't say that because you're using it for political reasons, that's unfair!
Like really? Do you see the stupidity of this situation?


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Spendulus on March 23, 2020, 03:32:12 PM
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Now Trump is openly terming COVID-19 as Chinese Viru....

Do you have a problem with calling the virus from China the Chinese Virus?
Yes, when it's being done for purely political purposes which is what they're doing. These things do not get named for their location of origin which is a clear indication that they're doing it for other reasons.

Opposition to naming/calling it the Chinese/Wuhan Virus came directly from Chinese influences, exactly what you are calling "purely political purposes." Then you have an American reaction to that pushiness, which again you may call "purely political purposes."

But why allow one, and not the other?


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: tvbcof on March 23, 2020, 04:32:15 PM

Opposition to naming/calling it the Chinese/Wuhan Virus came directly from Chinese influences, exactly what you are calling "purely political purposes." Then you have an American reaction to that pushiness, which again you may call "purely political purposes."


More and more people around the world are starting to call this the American virus.  This because on one side there is increasing scientific evidence that the first exposure was not in China (and certainly not in a market in Wuhan) and on the other side you have assertions from the likes of Trump and Pompeo with no evidence whatsoever.  Kinda like the Assad's 'chemical weapons attacks' which are clearly non-existant, or Saddam's 'weapons of mass destruction' which was similarly a lie.

I don't think you'll probably have a problem with (educated) people around the world calling this the American virus, right?  How about the 'Spanish Flu' which had nothing to do with Spain and got it's name because of war time censorship and propaganda (and, parenthetically, looks like it wasn't a flu but a nasty concoction cooked up the the Rockefeller Institute while they were (reportedly) trying to make vaccines from horse puss.)

Would you be OK with calling it 'the Israeli Virus' if it (or some strains of it) ended up being associated with Israel who are not signatories to the biological weapons convention (https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/bwcsig)?  Or has 'virus', 'parasite', 'infection', etc been put on the ADL's (and thus the U.S.'s) list of antisemitic words by now?



Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Sendoku on March 24, 2020, 10:31:16 PM
At this point who wasn't attacked by POTUS (I mean, verbally)? We'll never know if something big actually comes, and I think the world's been in this situation for 50+ years


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Meowth05 on March 31, 2020, 04:47:25 AM
I hope that that something will end quickly as soon as it begins. I think that politics is a very volatile and uneven playing field for people to just simply join. We all know that this bad blood has gone on for a long time since the time of Mao and Stalin, and I think that the reason that this banter is still going from hot and cold overtime is that each country participating are trying their best to protect the best interest of their people and their country.


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: KingScorpio on March 31, 2020, 11:07:22 AM
Trump has been attacking China for a quiet a while now, and just when it seemed that peace was restored between these two nations (referring to the trade deal) the statement made by China has rattled Trump who’s decided to openly attack China.

Quote

When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!" the Foreign Ministry official said.


Now Trump is openly terming COVID-19 as Chinese Virus, and I won’t be surprised if he implements fresh sanctions on China or completely change the trade deal that he had negotiated with them. I’m ruling out the possibility of an outright war, as that can’t happen but I have a very bad feeling that he’s planning something big that’ll disrupt China and US relations for a very long time. Anyone else has any other theories regarding this, or what kind of measures can Trump take to punish China?.

Sources:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/13/asia/china-coronavirus-us-lijian-zhao-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-outbreak-trump-blames-china-for-virus-again.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51025464

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/18/coronavirus-china-trade-136188


trump is simply running properly the nature of the USA, it is a guarded heaven, that is multicultural (with muslims ofc destroying the mutlicultural heaven)
trump needs rich foreigners to come to the usa and invest into it.

regards


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Subbir on March 31, 2020, 12:58:55 PM
Trump's continued invasion of China may indicate that big things are coming soon but which will never be possible No country will support Trump during this war Political leaders also will be faraway from now on. at present things within the country are far worse if they struggle to assist them nobody will come to the fore within the battle. All will now work to guard the country.


Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: CucakRowo on March 31, 2020, 01:28:56 PM
Trump is a businessman. He and the team will not act if it does not bring benefit for his teams (state). If you read the news in mid-2019, many analyzes have been published that US will experience a recession. For example some of the following articles:
1. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/08/31/parts-of-america-may-already-be-facing-recession
2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/yuwahedrickwong/2019/08/25/the-next-u-s-recession-looking-more-likely-as-trump-weaponizes-trade-and-the-dollar/#75d1db8e3584
3. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/home-sales-point-to-recession-in-late-2019-or-2020-fed-economist-says.html

Covid19 is one of the best moments to blame the current economic situation. And he needs a scapegoat for this situation. And one thing, the economic recession this year is almost similar to the economic recession in 2011 (although the impact is not too large as it is today).



Title: Re: Trump constant attack on China signals something big is coming soon.
Post by: Sadlife on March 31, 2020, 01:43:31 PM
It could be a strategy for china so that every nation will hate US and refuses to do alliances and cut trading deals, china might be trying to attack US getting weaker economy.

I wonder if Trump would also do economic sanctions to china considering those black propaganda and illegally expanding territory in South China Sea.