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This Israeli historian/philosopher (https://amp.ft.com/content/19d90308-6858-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75?fbclid=IwAR1Uygm8X3GSNkT_WbET82C-mftl29-SrgKKMjWkZopZ_u9Wj7bIP23bA0Y) figured out what the "endgame" of the "elite" will be this crisis: in short "mass surveillance"...

Just imagine what that will mean for the BTC price... ;D

Possibly a big impact also in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
But what if most of the government will start to implement much stricter laws against Bitcoin? We all know these past years how the price of Bitcoin affected because of some countries start banning or making some laws against Bitcoin.
But Bitcoin still here. Although, we can make it but still, it takes time.

Mass surveillance is already in existence, before the virus outbreak. Nothing changes at that time and nothing will in this situation. People are selling their Bitcoin for fiat as fiat is the only acceptable currency in crisis situation.

I think it will have a negative effect on the performance of Bitcoin, which is evident considering the current market condition. We expected Bitcoin to moon before halving but it is no where near to that.

Have you read the linked article, because I suspect you haven't. It clearly states that; yes, mass surveillance allready exists on a large scale but the current crisis will let the "Cambridge analytica" scandal pale by comparison... Why? Read the article... (TL;DR: biometrics and voluntary mass adoption).

And yes, maybe in the short term we're all exchanging BTC for FIAT because we need the money now. But what about the long term (once we realise the above has happened...)?

Mass surveillance isn't something new and it's already implemented in some countries.
However, I don't see how would that impact so significant on Bitcoin price that we could expect very high rise.
Yes, some people will maybe use cryptocurrencies more but we still can't survive without fiat and still very, very snall number of people in.the world is using cryptocurrencies. So, don't have exaggerated expectations regarding Bitcoin price due to the measures connected with corona virus pandemia.

As long as the people are going to obeyed orders from the government I think we could easily eliminate the coronavirus crisis.

Mass surveillance? For me, this could be a great implementation for a lot of countries and I think already existing for some countries and cities.

This could always affect the market price of bitcoin, But we don't really know how it will affect it until it happened.

As read in the article, I do not think that the "humanity" per se, is making a choice there. It's still the one in order or the top rank in the country. Anyways, the fact about humanity is that most of the people are greedy, and in so many ways, this is shown by example. That is the problem. As much as I want unity for global solidarity and helping one another, that's just the hindrance. A greedy man would make shockwaves in the wrong directions.

While i agree that world governments are ramping up mass surveillance, i fail to see a connection with the virus. The usual suspects for pushing this are terrorism and criminals...

Coincidentally (or not) i also fail to see the connection with bitcoin.

This mass surveillance business has been going on at least since 9-11 if not before.

It is not impossible that a ban that a few years ago the country to ban bitcoin would accept bitcoin, because this could be one way to stabilize the currency price in the country from a really sharp weakening in the last week due to the coronavirus, hopefully of course this can really be a serious lesson for the country to accept bitcoin immediately so it is not impossible that the price of bitcoin will again strengthen.

OK, every human for himself then...?

Millions of people freely give their information on social media, what makes you think they really care about surveillance? All those rants against facebook and google selling their information didn't stop them from using other social media apps like tiktok and instagram.

Even if they find out that there is mass surveillance, there is no guarantee that these people who got used to services offered by centralized entities like banks would switch to buying Bitcoin. Something that they may find unsafe and incovenient to do.

Two things:

1. Corona will speed up adaptation: the narrative will be: don't you want "us all" to be healthy? What kind of monster are you? (Health could prove a stronger "motivator" than [fear of] terrorism/pedophilia.)

2. Corona will make the switch from "external" mass surveillance (what do you do) to internal mass surveillance (how do you feel). Think about the consequences of that (Example: "Why do you feel anger if you're watching a speech of our great leader?")

Bitcoin (or some other crypto) will at least provide some anonymity (cash is already being banned fast in most infected countries)...

The author are like exposing conspiracy by the elite to control the movements of the people, I agree that the technologies we have now are the tools that the elite control the masses.

If this succeed there will be no privacy anymore and people who do illegal activities may be used to track another illegal activities that will benefit the elite.

sbogovac your one line analysis is a kick in the teeth to people who actually think.

people have turned less and less to BTC with each passing event. only institutional trading has grown and not adaptability or usability and why people would turn to BTC for anything in a dystopian future is beyond me, I think its beyond you too. With more watching expect more people to turn off not on.

people who say things like to the moon and hodl are small time traders wishing and wishing

Also some countries doesn't support cryptocurrency that's why they only allow fiat currency to manipulate in its markets. We should make some adjustments if we really need to use our bitcoin for our necessities to fight this crisis. But how can you convert your bitcoin to fiat if you're not allowed to go out and also there's no Bitcoin ATM in some countries. It is very hassle and I hope that mass adoption of bitcoin will soon be developed so that we can have transaction just by using our cellphones as a payment. Exchanging BTC to a fiat isn't that easy and you need to undergo a lot of process that's why people really sell it for an instant transaction and for money. Also the market condition also affects its price and there's a hindrance on the withdrawal of fiat currency.

If this was possible it would have been done in the last 10 years. There are millions or people and stores and all those people combined couldn't make it happen. Bitcoin has no place in P2P transactions, that may have been its original intention but only the dark side of life has picked it up and the rest is controlled by financial institutions.

You obviously haven't read the article, nor checked its (very reputable) source...

I share in your sentiment. I had a similar discussion with someone offline a few days ago and I was optimistic that Bitcoin may moon even before that actual Bitcoin halving sets in. This assurance is easy to cone into term with when one runs through the charts for Bitcoin price. Quite alright, the price plummeted a few weeks ago in the heat of Coronavirus but that seem to have stabilized now as Bitcoin quickly recovered from that initial loss. I expect more gains for Bitcoin. Perhaps if stability is achieved it could be the ingredient needed for mass adoption of Bitcoin.

Yuval Noah Harari have spoken very sensibly here. He had mentioned 4 points on how the government will achieve mass surveillance. They are,

1. Under-the-skin surveillance:
Very much possible! I microchip installation can be made mandatory for all citizens of small countries which can be connected to the government server to track every single move of that citizen. But achieving such kind of technical things for mass, will require huge money and time for densely populated countries like India or China. Small and wealthy countries like Switzerland or Liechtenstein can afford such things.

2. About the photography:
CC camera and hidden camera everywhere! Countries have already started implementing such things on every street possible in a phased manned. It won't take long before majority of the areas are covered. But again, it's a very very very costly affair when it comes to implementing for mass.

3. The emergency pudding:
Linked with the first one. But it is a very interesting read. achievable at high cost!

4. The soap police:
It talks about forceful compliance of laws through the technical arrangements mentioned above. Again achievable! 

These things may sound like a distant dream right at this moment but with the technical achievements world is making everyday, it may not sound like a distant dream 5 years down the line. While we won't see anything immediately. But there is a possibility that we will see such things happening in near future.

But the entire article is a very interesting read, I must say!

I don't understand why bitcoin should have advantages from possible surveillance in the world. Those who control the internet in the world could also control bitcoins in the future which is why Russia is creating a different protocol that allows the various computers to connect to the network.

Mass surveillance is already on it's way. I can imagine BTC becoming more in demand, but that'll not be the reason Bitcoin will moon (if it ever will, ofc)

Well, yeah, although for now, the price of Bitcoin is still decreasing because of the impact of coronavirus that influences the global economic crisis. The price of BTC probably is not as high as what had happened some weeks ago because of the massive sell to convert to fiat. However, once more, it is what happens on this day.

However, what about after the coronavirus and this crisis end? Well, I also agree with the OP based on the article, it may be the time for us to smile.
Yeah, we really hope so. The increase of the BTC price (and probably for most cryptocurrencies) hopefully will be true, moreover, nowadays, the awareness of the digital money may be increasing due to this coronavirus. But, can we expect it highly? I personally will not expect as high as possible.
Additionally, the increase in the price may also happen regarding the halving of BTC in the next few months later. So, if this coronavirus has ended and the halving goes well, it really gives us a chance to breather smiley and relaxing (hopefully).

FYI, in my country, nowadays, many people are sounding about cryptocurrency most about the use of digital money and including cryptocurrencies. Will it also happen in another country? Can this increase the price in the future? Let's see how the flow of this condition.

#Hopefuly we are all well and avoided from coronavirus. Stay healthy.

Not really. Not so many places are banning bitcoin. I don't think bitcoin is even banned anywhere it's just people that don't know what they are talking about pulling stuff out their thumb.
The truth is right now the world has much more to worry about and this could be good for bitcoin since more of us are at home working so maybe more people will spend time doing research before investing.
Many will be looking for alternative ways to create income.

States in recent years have taken certain measures in order to control financial flows in cryptocurrency. First of all, this concerns the FATF recommendation of June 21 last year that states should identify all transactions in cryptocurrency worth more than one thousand euros. It is proposed that these measures be implemented in the framework of the fight against money laundering and the financing of terrorism. Therefore, over a period of one year, more than two hundred member countries must make these recommendations in their national legislation.
In the list of measures taken to combat the spread of coronavirus, I do not see any measures in this regard. States are not yet up to cryptocurrency. So far, they even recommend using less cash, as they may for some time bear traces of coronavirus on used paper, indirectly, thus encouraging the use of cryptocurrency and other non-cash forms of payments.

Until and unless the situation is not controlled , nothing will go to the moon , exactly nothing.

First one needs to have a proper control over the situation that is being worsening day by day.

Then only can people start earning enough to invest in the market again .

No matter who says what , even without the mass surveillance or with it , nothing can help Bitcoins at the time of a crisis.

If anything CV 19 will wake up people to global government and the technocracy movement, which is there to control you and make you sick and dependedant on government, not liberate you as dumbass satoshi wished.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nYgFyB0lCt4/

I do not think that any government of a country is now thinking of implementing a law prohibiting the BTC. What would be the advantage? The BTC price will suffer, as otherwise all areas are affected, but I still believe that the situation will recover sometime. For now, we can only wait to see how things evolve and not lose hope in crypto.

Mass surveillance won't yield much results since not all countries has accepted bitcoin. The fate of crypto will be highly decided when this global pandemic is over. It's not yet time to exaggerate what the outcome will look like. Let's be hopeful that things turns out good

Today still the virus are spreading it is better to become safe and one of the best way today is adopting the use of the blockchain or the cryptocutrrncy because the virus today can now attached to the physical money and we all know that the money is one of the dirtier thing because different people are using this and sometimes we don't have time to make disinfecting on it that's why today there are a lot of people trying to use the bitcoin to make more safe about this virus, still it is good to buy bitcoin today because the market price of the coin today is low and it is good to make earnings while the halving is coming.

this is not a new issue! mass surveillance existed way before this news and Coronavirus came out, it is just that we are hearing about it officially because there is currently an excuse for its usage otherwise governments have been using the same techniques for years, if you paid attention you could have seen that the infrastructure was already in place and everything was 100% ready. that doesn't just happen overnight :D

Surely this corona crisis would be used against privacy and personal freedom and we've seen China implementing a health QR code to everyone and you can't even walk outside without one. This will move into a all round monitoring of people. You won't be able to leave your mobile(you GPS) anywhere you go. All of your motion would be tracked.