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British teen dies after suicide attempt due to coronavirus fears ;

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/emily-owen-56.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all


Italian nurse with coronavirus kills herself over fear of infecting others;

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/nurse-italy-suicide.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all


German state finance minister Thomas Schäfer found dead. Police suspect Thomas Schäfer died by suicide after his body was found on train tracks near Wiesbaden. He was the finance minister for the state of Hesse;

https://www.dw.com/en/german-state-finance-minister-thomas-sch%C3%A4fer-found-dead/a-52948976#


People can't take it anymore. How are you coping with all these deaths and social distancing?


Is the constant media coverage making things unbearable?

You have to be really weak to kill yourself when there's no real threat, just out of fear. I could understand if they took their lives because they knew they were infected with something that would kill them slowly and painfully, but I'll never understand killing yourself in fear of catching something that kills only 2% of the infected. This is totally irrational. I don't get how these people face at home, school, work. Maybe their lives were always a walk in the park and this is the first time they  really faced fear?

This shows the importance of propping up mental health services during such emergencies. Society can't have suicides happening when there are already health services under pressure.

If the virus can kill you, why kill yourself? This doesn't make any sense. Logically you should go home and isolate yourself, you might survive it and avoid infecting others while doing so.

That finance guy, wouldn't be more logical to assume he lost a lot in stocks or such by the global economy recession?

Wasn't the teenager maybe unable to cope with the isolation? (BTW: How is a suicide an "attempt" when he successfully died?

To me these deaths aren't really even related to COVID-19 fear.

As for the nurse, we already know of the drama in Italy for the many patients that cannot be treated, health workers are under extreme pressure, war like condition.

This is alarming because there are a lot of people that causes panic incites fear to people and giving them desperation. Be there for people even if they don't ask for your help.

Well this is the perfect amount of bullshit in one thread. Not only did it include someone who is spamming wordpress links as they're the law of the land, it includes tons of sig spammer taking what OP (and the wordpress writers) is saying is law just cause they haven't read anything and are just trying to get up to their post count for the week/month/etc.

Not saying that your info is wrong, as it sure as shit might be. But post some links to non just wordpress jpgs to show that their is a source to this stuff. Thanks!

I think a lot of you guys are missing the other factors involved and how the individual person will be feeling here. Someone who kills themselves in these scenarios presented probably has some sort of mental illness or health anxiety or something. Imagine the mental stress someone will be under if they suffer with that and all they can think about is catching the disease and possibly dying a slow death from it. That constant stress and anxiety will take it's toll and probably become unbearable for them. I often see a lot of people say similar things when anyone kills them-self like why did they do that, they had so much to live for, life can't have been that bad etc etc, but if you're mentally just exhausted or miserable all the time then that's a great stress to be under and in that mindset a lot of people just do what they feel is necessary to make it stop. In times like these there's really no end in sight for when this will all be over and that's a pretty grim outlook for anyone. Who know's what the world will look like when this is all over, but we're heading for mass unemployment and  possibly one of the biggest recessions ever if things don't turn around anytime soon and all that is going to take it's toll on a lot of people and it's probably far more than just the fear or the virus right now that is driving people to suicide. I'm not really worried about the virus at all, but the damage to the economy is probably going to cause more damage and deaths in the long-run.

How did you know this had something to do with the Covid-19 outbreak? In European media there is absolutely no connection between these to incidents. I read on several news that the man had a huge depression before the Covid-19 pandemic.

Everyone wants to connect with Covid even if it is not.

But this pandemic will really challenge the mental health of many people. We need to be strong in this crisis.

Here are the newsrelated links to the stories;

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/british-teen-dies-after-suicide-attempt-due-to-coronavirus-fears/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/italian-nurse-with-coronavirus-kills-herself-amid-fears-of-infecting-others/

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/german-minister-commits-suicide-after-virus-crisis-worries-34954


On a personal note, I think we need to take better care of each other. Part of what being human means is caring and taking care of other people's needs and feelings. This is particularly important in times of crisis and misery.

Nobody should kill themselves over the 'covid-19' scam...do it for the 'global climate change' scam instead for Christsake!

I accept as true with you that killing yourself may be a great sin due to the fear of the COVID19 virus people got to cure it before they begin killing themselves i feel they're doing this type of mental disease. Ordinary people will never want to die. If Allah had written death then it might be a sin to kill yourself they ought to be shown to a psychiatrist.

people who commit suicide usually have a mental problem and killing themselves has probably crossed their mind a lot of times before COVID-19 and with COVID-19 adding more pressure to them which probably broke them and finally did what they always think about. just because we can't comprehend how they feel or how their thinking works. doesn't give us the right to judged them. in their mind, they are probably fighting for the longest time and no one is there to help them and killing themselves is the only way to end it.

After seeing thousands of casualties of the coronavirus they might have realize even if they can possibly get cured or recover from the virus those people around them might get infected especially their grandparents or parents or children. This is the result people taking lightly what the coronavirus could do, it affected thousands of innocent lives. Country's should start lockdown in order to not endanger more human lives.

Thanks for this. I may have went a bit overboard cause all I saw was Wordpress links and I saw that as you just making stuff up. So I apologize about that. Thanks for providing the proper sourcing for this stuff, just trying to make sure this section tries to keep up some level of standard.

:) Cheers and stay safe.

There might be another reason behind those deaths.
Even if they were afraid of coronavirus it wouldn't be so intimidating to give to your life an end to this.
Maybe economic or social reasons might be the main reason and coronavirus another one.

I'm going to lean towards the fact that a lot of people who were suffering from mental illness (think Depression) are going to be having a bit harder of a time now. Imagine being able to at least go to work and socialize with some people, see your family,etc -- now all you can do is sit in your apartment and talk to people on the phone? This is a rough time for people who were having issues before this, and don't really know where to turn to now get help. I know you can do some therapy online (I'm pretty sure this is the case at least) but I'd assume that's not the same.

Economic fears are going to be pretty bad right now. Imagine already being poor, living paycheck to paycheck and working at some sort of low paying job (maybe McDonalds) and then you're unable to pay the bills, have no idea when you're going to be reemployed, money from the gov is gonna take weeks.

Plus Trump admin is estimating 100-240k US deaths.

It's like the 1930's economic depression, mass unemployment coming, virus deaths. And in all that people are being forced to stay alone in their homes feeling depressed and sad, with nothing to do.

People sure need some cheering up real soon. Who knows how this is going to play out. For those with growing problems and mental issues, seeing a psychologist might get difficult as social distancing is in force.

Most people suffer from various problems thanks to this virus Especially mental problems are increasing they're affected by depression and losing their ability to regulate you're right that a psychologist is required to unravel this problem. Who can teach them the proper way He doesn't hesitate to kill himself so as to not overcome his frustration.

There mind was affected, but killing themselves is not a good idea, they have to face it, they can still prevent not infecting others, they have to stay at home and take the necessary medication, if they'll die, then that's it. Though this news is really bad but this is just one of the possibilities that people would do under the scare of covid-19.

I've seen some coverage on TV of groups going around to old and invalid peoples' homes to provide meals. I would agree with seeing that extended to people with a history of mental problems in this current situation.

I never understood suicides. No matter how difficult the situation in life is, there is always a solution. Instead of taking their own lives, such people could sacrifice their strength for the benefit of the whole society.

No matter how hard I agree with you you should never end yourself We should try to overcome these problems It is perfectly natural that God Shavar shows a good way when it was given. No need to end yourself We have to be careful not to cause such a problem.

This is the most humane comment here honestly. Thanks for that. We will never understand what they feel. Those people are struggling with mental health. And even before this virus, they are already suffering in the hardest way we could never understand, because we are not in their position. The thought of killing themselves are always in their mind. When the virus came, the world is in chaos, a lot of bad news in the social media. People dying, all are bored inside the house, and that will be the time they will lose the battle. They will think that this is the perfect time to leave this world. I think we should always ask our friends during this pandemic, take the time to check them because we will never know if one of our friends are suffering mental health. We should try to listen to them, lets do our best to make them continue the fight.

Here's the link on how will you talk to someone struggling with mental health.

 How to support someone with a mental health problem   (https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/publications/supporting-someone-mental-health-problem)
 5 Things Never to Say to Someone With Mental Illness, and What You Can Say Instead  (https://www.psycom.net/never-say-to-someone-with-mental-illness/)
 Supporting a Friend or Family Member with a Mental Illness  (https://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/infosheet/supporting-a-friend-or-family-member-with-a-mental-illness)

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

It would actually be fair to count every suicide over and above the average as 'covid-19-hoax deaths' during the coming economic implosion.  I expect that's exactly what the tiny number of people who actually run this terrorist psy-op will do as they rub their hands together cackle with delight.

If it is government or legal lending institution loans, you are not in debt for several reasons. The main reason is that such loans are not loans. The wording has been given a different meaning by law than the standard meaning.

So, what are the loans if they aren't loans? They are creations of new money. Google "Modern Money Mechanics" and the original printing of "Two Faces of Debt." These are Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago documents that show that loans are really creations of money rather than loans.

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Meh, they write their last words on a letter and telling their kys to protect the world from Corona virus, pretty clear enough it has nothing to do with economic.

Whether it’s money creation or loan, you gotta pay them back with interests on top of that loan, interest itself is a evil, and no exception despite the world is falling the interest rate didn’t stop rolling, you gotta pay that loan on top of interest. Unless you’re the Wall Street and big bankers Donald who can get bailouts and forgiveness for f**k up a few trillions dollars.

Actually, you don't. There are truth in lending laws that you can use to get out of it. But if you wind up in court, all you (not your lawyer) need do is, require your accuser to get on the stand under oath, and state his claim. This is your right. Almost never will the accuser be able to do this, because your accuser on the indictment is a corporation, an artificial entity.

Of course, you don't know that some joker parents didn't name their kid, "ABC Corporation, Inc." Parents name their kids all kinds of things these days. So, since your accuser wouldn't get on the stand, or even appear in court "viva voce," no case. Case dismissed.

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You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems. All problems and even financial ones can be solved legally. I don't know how it is in your country, but my legal entity can go bankrupt and not pay its debt obligations.

There isn't always a solution, and especially when your mind and sometimes body is fighting against you. What's the solution to being in constant pain everyday? Just grin and bare it or get addicted to painkillers or drugs whilst you hope one day it gets better? It might not get better or get even worse. What about the people who are dying of a disease but decide to end their suffering? What's the solution to their problem? Just wait to die a natural death in pain and misery? In some circumstances suicide is their solution to their problems whether you agree with it or not. Sure, many times people's pain or anguish may be temporary (and it often is) but that doesn't change the fact that they have to bare the pain they're in right at that moment, and as I said before, when people do kill themselves it's because the pain is unbearable. People wouldn't kill themselves otherwise. People really don't just kill themselves because they're having a bad day or because of a few minor problems. You've got to be under some pretty heavy mental and/or physical distress to kill yourself and you should probably thank yourself lucky you don't understand how someone could be in such a position to take their own life. That's definitely a privileged position to be in.


I think you're either a niave optimist or just don't understand depression or mental illness. What you're saying is probably akin to telling  someone who is bed-ridden from a disease or illness (whether minor or major) to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get out of bed and go do some good deeds instead as if that's the answer to all their problems. Some people who suffer from depression don't even have the motivation or strength to get out of bed or look after themselves properly so how can they benefit society when they're in that state of mind? I think a lot of people suffering with depression feel that way because they lack purpose and doing something that benefits others can certainly help give you some purpose in life, but there's numerous factors involved with depression and ultimately suicide but if you're in the mindset that life isn't worth living or you're in unbearable pain everyday then trying to 'benefit society' is going to be very difficult. You need to help yourself before you can help others.


I don't know what country you live in but you can't just solve all your money problems in life by declaring yourself bankrupt. That's not how it works. Again, there are numerous factors involved in depression and suicide. Sometimes people's problems weigh on them like they've got the weight of the world on their back and that's a lot of pressure to take. Some people can handle it and some can't, but it's usually when you start to stack multiple problems on top of each other that they start to become unbearable or it looks like there's no end in sight for people and that's what pushes them over the edge.

I live in Russia, we have terrible laws, but still people find legal ways to declare themselves bankrupt.

But if a person is seriously ill here there is nothing to help and I know it well because I've seen people who have cancer and I understand how they suffer even if they use narcotic painkillers.

So I have always been for euthanasia for seriously ill people, but only with their consent.

All the dude kys over 2008 subprime LOANS crashes, they’re all gone mad, they’re kys en masses to show their virtue signaling.

That’s the perfect scenario rich people can hire top accountant and lawyers to find the loopholes and get out of the problem, but you’re the poor people. This again reinforce the rich people win against poor people. This again reinforce the capitalism can get away pretty much everything. This again show the ugliness of the real world economy in a full picture, that’s the survival of the fittest.

Robin William kys over the obligations, his divorced, his obligations to pay for alimony for his exwife, in a time of crisis like today, the alimony doesn’t stop rolling, paying debt already painful enough. But imaging working as hard as possible to fund the lifestyle of the person you hate the most on the earth, he might get killed in car accident or something by deliberately making up a false accident, and get life insurance, and the compensation will still goes to his exwife, kys so no life insurance!

It does solve the immediate anxiety.   Our bodies use anxiety to bring unconscious thought to our attention.   At a time of crisis, a person may believe a long painful death (or life) awaits them and choose to avoid that.  If they have been thinking about it for a while, or have used drugs to help anxiety, fluctuations in the brain chemistry can drive a person to realize there is no further reason to live.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/suicide-and-the-economy/279961/  (worth reading)

You shouldn’t argue with logical sense to someone who behave emotionally 95% of the time and low IQ but high EQ.

Just by looking at the domain name in the URL I could tell more or less what it, CFR rag that it is, was going to say;  Suicide is OK and even kinda cool people with an education do it, and rich 'philanthropists' are awesome.

I didn't find much of substance in the article.  I'm sure that the NPR crowd will though, and primarily  'Because Atlantic'.

Robin Williams is a person who had a lot of things going on and had so for a long period of time. He'd suffered from depression and drug abuse throughout his life but he also had early stages of Parkinson's disease/dementia:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams#Addiction_and_health_problems


I don't think anyone could imagine what that's like to go through but it was obviously something he found unbearable especially on top of his depression and whatever other worries he had going on. Being famous/in the public eye probably doesn't help either and is likely to exacerbate problems. My great granddad had Parkinson's disease and my current granddad has early stages of dementia and both are horrible diseases that can progress quite rapidly. Depending how bad the diseases get they're probably not something I'd not want to live with personally so I can understand Robin William's situation.

I’d blame the Corning virus too, it’s the virus that killed the Robin Williams, it’s not the money, his exwife is innocent, the alimony is perfectly legal and he should pay for it, it’s not the divorces that rip his life apart, his once said “Divorce is like ripping a man’s genitals out through his wallet.” which is a lie, he trying to say he killed him self not for the divorce proceeding, people don’t understand, people need to know Robin Williams are criminal and should be put down before he crossing line again.

on the other hand, frontliners are being killed and being discriminated by the people who dont understand the situation and being selfish. Panic and Fear is the cause of all of this. Please read a reliable source to find out what is happening in the world, read the whole news and not only the headlines. Check who wrote the articles and search if he/she/it is a reliable one. PLEASE, don't kill yourself as there is proof that not everyone can be killed by the virus. In fact, many of them have been recovered.

These people who kill themselves might have a mental problem because if you're in your right mind you wont do such thing.

Being infected of corona virus doesnt mean you're going to die or its a death sentence, there's a high chance to recover just help yourself and be motivated to overcome it.

People tend to do irrational things when faced with adversity or fear. I get that the dangers of coronavirus are real but god damn people do some stupid stuff when under duress, partly due to media alarmist and sensationalized coverage. A bit over a week ago there was a couple that tried to drink fish tank cleaner because it helped against coronavirus and then proceeded to blame Trump over their own stupidity and irrational thought process. I have sympathy to people that are taking their life over this but I think there are underlying depression problems for these people and COVID-19 is just the last straw. I find it hard to believe that people are killing themselves strictly over a disease with a <2% death rate.

Fear of isolation is something new, I guess Emily is just too young to be left alone. She's a waitress so she must be a very social kid.

There are worse I've have read because some of them kill themselves because they were blames by their family members that they were affected, out of being isolated is just less of a reason but family members despising you because you cause them infection of the virus is worse.

The positive side of coronavirus, it's getting rid of weak people, physically and mentally.

she was on the autism spectrum, so had many things socially/mentally at play
its like OCD kids who like a routine, get stressed when their routine changes
other things like risk of losing job due to lockdown is a financial and social hit to the ego
then there is the heath risk of working with random customers pushes the risk of getting sick thoughts.

it can all weigh heavily on a person

I didn't read her whole article. She's so young. Yep I have a niece in the spectrum, a slight change of his pattern can result to a tantrum for hours. Losing her a job or her without not going out all of a sudden could be very heavy for her.


There is never going to be a strong person when this crisis last longer. You can only hope the people around you are stronger and help each other.

I don't want to push any boundaries, or potentially misguide; but I would be careful to believe the connection between the suicide and Corona.

When people commit suicide, it is a tragic and unjust thing and sometimes people genuinely want to have a reason. I'm not saying it's fake, but I'm saying it's the media - take it with a grain of salt.


Yes, but if you're in finance, you've probably weathered worse ups-and-downs than this I would think. Naturally, every time there is a massive loss in the stock markets suicides do happen, as people feel guilty for the loss of funds (maybe they were managing for others etc); but as a Finance Minister, I'm not exactly sure that would apply. You don't exactly get to a position as Finance Minister by being emotional w/ economics/stocks.

People who kill themselves do it for only two reasons:
1. Great pain, which might include fear, sometimes;
2. Stupidity.

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I believe that change is a must changing this old order that think only chaos and mass depopulation

It was sad to hear this who to blame isn't it the greedy ego of humanity. By the way, I share this in our forum for awareness too. Thank you for telling us what is happening

This is a very sad situation that it stems from this pandemic.
Incidents are reported in my country as well that people - mostly young people and teenagers are giving an end to their lives afters they are diagnosed with a coronavirus infection.

I condemn people that say that people killing themselves are weak is an insult to all people who are suffering from mental problems, I am confidently saying that you are all insecure and that you too are all weak inside, you all are afraid that people will judge you snowflakes that's why you blame people who kill themselves. Remember this, what you are saying to other is a reflection of your soul. And if you are scared right now and feeling remember that I care and you deserve to live random person.
In the case that people are killing themselves because of the pandemic scare is because that they have a poor support network, this prompts the problem of our indifference to mental health. If you say that you can't help these people, maybe a little compliment or asking how they are is enough. And for the people who are suffering from fear and other mental problems, I dare you to do small steps to help yourself, clean your room (trust me it makes you feel good), talk to a friend or parent, don't suppress your negative emotions, it's okay to feel sad and angry.

One must always tighten one's mind to cure the virus Suicide is not a good solution to everything If we are aware of and maintain clean hygiene we can easily prevent this disease Keep your mind fresh and always think positive. Everything that is negative puts it at a disadvantage.

You have rightly said that we all know that suicide may be a great sin that's why it's more important to remember of yourself than to kill. this is often why virus prevention should be taken One has got to be vigilant to beat this tragic situation.

I guess many people desperate because of this virus is not going to end. People need to make money for living, and while they are staying at home, they run out of their money, and they hard to buy their daily needs. If the government can not do something about that, we will see many more like that, and that would be more dangerous than the Covid-19 itself.