People start killing themselves due to COVID19 virus fears.

[Spendulus]

There might be another reason behind those deaths.
Even if they were afraid of coronavirus it wouldn't be so intimidating to give to your life an end to this.
Maybe economic or social reasons might be the main reason and coronavirus another one.

I'm going to lean towards the fact that a lot of people who were suffering from mental illness (think Depression) are going to be having a bit harder of a time now. Imagine being able to at least go to work and socialize with some people, see your family,etc -- now all you can do is sit in your apartment and talk to people on the phone? This is a rough time for people who were having issues before this, and don't really know where to turn to now get help. I know you can do some therapy online (I'm pretty sure this is the case at least) but I'd assume that's not the same.

Economic fears are going to be pretty bad right now. Imagine already being poor, living paycheck to paycheck and working at some sort of low paying job (maybe McDonalds) and then you're unable to pay the bills, have no idea when you're going to be reemployed, money from the gov is gonna take weeks.

Plus Trump admin is estimating 100-240k US deaths.

It's like the 1930's economic depression, mass unemployment coming, virus deaths. And in all that people are being forced to stay alone in their homes feeling depressed and sad, with nothing to do.

People sure need some cheering up real soon. Who knows how this is going to play out. For those with growing problems and mental issues, seeing a psychologist might get difficult as social distancing is in force.

I've seen some coverage on TV of groups going around to old and invalid peoples' homes to provide meals. I would agree with seeing that extended to people with a history of mental problems in this current situation.

[madnessteat]

There mind was affected, but killing themselves is not a good idea, they have to face it, they can still prevent not infecting others, they have to stay at home and take the necessary medication, if they'll die, then that's it. Though this news is really bad but this is just one of the possibilities that people would do under the scare of covid-19.

I never understood suicides. No matter how difficult the situation in life is, there is always a solution. Instead of taking their own lives, such people could sacrifice their strength for the benefit of the whole society.

[Negotiation]

No matter how hard I agree with you you should never end yourself We should try to overcome these problems It is perfectly natural that God Shavar shows a good way when it was given. No need to end yourself We have to be careful not to cause such a problem.

[GDragon]

If the virus can kill you, why kill yourself? This doesn't make any sense. Logically you should go home and isolate yourself, you might survive it and avoid infecting others while doing so.

That finance guy, wouldn't be more logical to assume he lost a lot in stocks or such by the global economy recession?

I think a lot of you guys are missing the other factors involved and how the individual person will be feeling here. Someone who kills themselves in these scenarios presented probably has some sort of mental illness or health anxiety or something. Imagine the mental stress someone will be under if they suffer with that and all they can think about is catching the disease and possibly dying a slow death from it. That constant stress and anxiety will take it's toll and probably become unbearable for them. I often see a lot of people say similar things when anyone kills them-self like why did they do that, they had so much to live for, life can't have been that bad etc etc, but if you're mentally just exhausted or miserable all the time then that's a great stress to be under and in that mindset a lot of people just do what they feel is necessary to make it stop. In times like these there's really no end in sight for when this will all be over and that's a pretty grim outlook for anyone. Who know's what the world will look like when this is all over, but we're heading for mass unemployment and  possibly one of the biggest recessions ever if things don't turn around anytime soon and all that is going to take it's toll on a lot of people and it's probably far more than just the fear or the virus right now that is driving people to suicide. I'm not really worried about the virus at all, but the damage to the economy is probably going to cause more damage and deaths in the long-run.

This is the most humane comment here honestly. Thanks for that. We will never understand what they feel. Those people are struggling with mental health. And even before this virus, they are already suffering in the hardest way we could never understand, because we are not in their position. The thought of killing themselves are always in their mind. When the virus came, the world is in chaos, a lot of bad news in the social media. People dying, all are bored inside the house, and that will be the time they will lose the battle. They will think that this is the perfect time to leave this world. I think we should always ask our friends during this pandemic, take the time to check them because we will never know if one of our friends are suffering mental health. We should try to listen to them, lets do our best to make them continue the fight.

Here's the link on how will you talk to someone struggling with mental health.

How to support someone with a mental health problem 
5 Things Never to Say to Someone With Mental Illness, and What You Can Say Instead
Supporting a Friend or Family Member with a Mental Illness

[Broly46]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

[tvbcof]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

It would actually be fair to count every suicide over and above the average as 'covid-19-hoax deaths' during the coming economic implosion.  I expect that's exactly what the tiny number of people who actually run this terrorist psy-op will do as they rub their hands together cackle with delight.

[BADecker]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

If it is government or legal lending institution loans, you are not in debt for several reasons. The main reason is that such loans are not loans. The wording has been given a different meaning by law than the standard meaning.

So, what are the loans if they aren't loans? They are creations of new money. Google "Modern Money Mechanics" and the original printing of "Two Faces of Debt." These are Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago documents that show that loans are really creations of money rather than loans.

[Broly46]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

It would actually be fair to count every suicide over and above the average as 'covid-19-hoax deaths' during the coming economic implosion.  I expect that's exactly what the tiny number of people who actually run this terrorist psy-op will do as they rub their hands together cackle with delight.

Meh, they write their last words on a letter and telling their kys to protect the world from Corona virus, pretty clear enough it has nothing to do with economic.

[Broly46]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

If it is government or legal lending institution loans, you are not in debt for several reasons. The main reason is that such loans are not loans. The wording has been given a different meaning by law than the standard meaning.

So, what are the loans if they aren't loans? They are creations of new money. Google "Modern Money Mechanics" and the original printing of "Two Faces of Debt." These are Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago documents that show that loans are really creations of money rather than loans.

Whether it’s money creation or loan, you gotta pay them back with interests on top of that loan, interest itself is a evil, and no exception despite the world is falling the interest rate didn’t stop rolling, you gotta pay that loan on top of interest. Unless you’re the Wall Street and big bankers Donald who can get bailouts and forgiveness for f**k up a few trillions dollars.

[BADecker]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

If it is government or legal lending institution loans, you are not in debt for several reasons. The main reason is that such loans are not loans. The wording has been given a different meaning by law than the standard meaning.

So, what are the loans if they aren't loans? They are creations of new money. Google "Modern Money Mechanics" and the original printing of "Two Faces of Debt." These are Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago documents that show that loans are really creations of money rather than loans.

Whether it’s money creation or loan, you gotta pay them back with interests on top of that loan, interest itself is a evil, and no exception despite the world is falling the interest rate didn’t stop rolling, you gotta pay that loan on top of interest. Unless you’re the Wall Street and big bankers Donald who can get bailouts and forgiveness for f**k up a few trillions dollars.

Actually, you don't. There are truth in lending laws that you can use to get out of it. But if you wind up in court, all you (not your lawyer) need do is, require your accuser to get on the stand under oath, and state his claim. This is your right. Almost never will the accuser be able to do this, because your accuser on the indictment is a corporation, an artificial entity.

Of course, you don't know that some joker parents didn't name their kid, "ABC Corporation, Inc." Parents name their kids all kinds of things these days. So, since your accuser wouldn't get on the stand, or even appear in court "viva voce," no case. Case dismissed.

[madnessteat]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems. All problems and even financial ones can be solved legally. I don't know how it is in your country, but my legal entity can go bankrupt and not pay its debt obligations.

[hilariousetc]

There mind was affected, but killing themselves is not a good idea, they have to face it, they can still prevent not infecting others, they have to stay at home and take the necessary medication, if they'll die, then that's it. Though this news is really bad but this is just one of the possibilities that people would do under the scare of covid-19.

I never understood suicides. No matter how difficult the situation in life is, there is always a solution.

There isn't always a solution, and especially when your mind and sometimes body is fighting against you. What's the solution to being in constant pain everyday? Just grin and bare it or get addicted to painkillers or drugs whilst you hope one day it gets better? It might not get better or get even worse. What about the people who are dying of a disease but decide to end their suffering? What's the solution to their problem? Just wait to die a natural death in pain and misery? In some circumstances suicide is their solution to their problems whether you agree with it or not. Sure, many times people's pain or anguish may be temporary (and it often is) but that doesn't change the fact that they have to bare the pain they're in right at that moment, and as I said before, when people do kill themselves it's because the pain is unbearable. People wouldn't kill themselves otherwise. People really don't just kill themselves because they're having a bad day or because of a few minor problems. You've got to be under some pretty heavy mental and/or physical distress to kill yourself and you should probably thank yourself lucky you don't understand how someone could be in such a position to take their own life. That's definitely a privileged position to be in.

Instead of taking their own lives, such people could sacrifice their strength for the benefit of the whole society.

I think you're either a niave optimist or just don't understand depression or mental illness. What you're saying is probably akin to telling  someone who is bed-ridden from a disease or illness (whether minor or major) to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get out of bed and go do some good deeds instead as if that's the answer to all their problems. Some people who suffer from depression don't even have the motivation or strength to get out of bed or look after themselves properly so how can they benefit society when they're in that state of mind? I think a lot of people suffering with depression feel that way because they lack purpose and doing something that benefits others can certainly help give you some purpose in life, but there's numerous factors involved with depression and ultimately suicide but if you're in the mindset that life isn't worth living or you're in unbearable pain everyday then trying to 'benefit society' is going to be very difficult. You need to help yourself before you can help others.

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems. All problems and even financial ones can be solved legally. I don't know how it is in your country, but my legal entity can go bankrupt and not pay its debt obligations.

I don't know what country you live in but you can't just solve all your money problems in life by declaring yourself bankrupt. That's not how it works. Again, there are numerous factors involved in depression and suicide. Sometimes people's problems weigh on them like they've got the weight of the world on their back and that's a lot of pressure to take. Some people can handle it and some can't, but it's usually when you start to stack multiple problems on top of each other that they start to become unbearable or it looks like there's no end in sight for people and that's what pushes them over the edge.

[madnessteat]

~snip~

I live in Russia, we have terrible laws, but still people find legal ways to declare themselves bankrupt.

But if a person is seriously ill here there is nothing to help and I know it well because I've seen people who have cancer and I understand how they suffer even if they use narcotic painkillers.

So I have always been for euthanasia for seriously ill people, but only with their consent.

[Broly46]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems. All problems and even financial ones can be solved legally. I don't know how it is in your country, but my legal entity can go bankrupt and not pay its debt obligations.

All the dude kys over 2008 subprime LOANS crashes, they’re all gone mad, they’re kys en masses to show their virtue signaling.

[Broly46]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

If it is government or legal lending institution loans, you are not in debt for several reasons. The main reason is that such loans are not loans. The wording has been given a different meaning by law than the standard meaning.

So, what are the loans if they aren't loans? They are creations of new money. Google "Modern Money Mechanics" and the original printing of "Two Faces of Debt." These are Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago documents that show that loans are really creations of money rather than loans.

Whether it’s money creation or loan, you gotta pay them back with interests on top of that loan, interest itself is a evil, and no exception despite the world is falling the interest rate didn’t stop rolling, you gotta pay that loan on top of interest. Unless you’re the Wall Street and big bankers Donald who can get bailouts and forgiveness for f**k up a few trillions dollars.

Actually, you don't. There are truth in lending laws that you can use to get out of it. But if you wind up in court, all you (not your lawyer) need do is, require your accuser to get on the stand under oath, and state his claim. This is your right. Almost never will the accuser be able to do this, because your accuser on the indictment is a corporation, an artificial entity.

Of course, you don't know that some joker parents didn't name their kid, "ABC Corporation, Inc." Parents name their kids all kinds of things these days. So, since your accuser wouldn't get on the stand, or even appear in court "viva voce," no case. Case dismissed.

That’s the perfect scenario rich people can hire top accountant and lawyers to find the loopholes and get out of the problem, but you’re the poor people. This again reinforce the rich people win against poor people. This again reinforce the capitalism can get away pretty much everything. This again show the ugliness of the real world economy in a full picture, that’s the survival of the fittest.

[Broly46]

Instead of taking their own lives, such people could sacrifice their strength for the benefit of the whole society.

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems. All problems and even financial ones can be solved legally. I don't know how it is in your country, but my legal entity can go bankrupt and not pay its debt obligations.

I don't know what country you live in but you can't just solve all your money problems in life by declaring yourself bankrupt. That's not how it works. Again, there are numerous factors involved in depression and suicide. Sometimes people's problems weigh on them like they've got the weight of the world on their back and that's a lot of pressure to take. Some people can handle it and some can't, but it's usually when you start to stack multiple problems on top of each other that they start to become unbearable or it looks like there's no end in sight for people and that's what pushes them over the edge.

Robin William kys over the obligations, his divorced, his obligations to pay for alimony for his exwife, in a time of crisis like today, the alimony doesn’t stop rolling, paying debt already painful enough. But imaging working as hard as possible to fund the lifestyle of the person you hate the most on the earth, he might get killed in car accident or something by deliberately making up a false accident, and get life insurance, and the compensation will still goes to his exwife, kys so no life insurance!

[Vod]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems.

It does solve the immediate anxiety.   Our bodies use anxiety to bring unconscious thought to our attention.   At a time of crisis, a person may believe a long painful death (or life) awaits them and choose to avoid that.  If they have been thinking about it for a while, or have used drugs to help anxiety, fluctuations in the brain chemistry can drive a person to realize there is no further reason to live.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/suicide-and-the-economy/279961/  (worth reading)

[Broly46]

I’d killed me self too if I’m heavily in debt in a time of crisis, but to kys for virus is a new achievement.

You've gone mad. Suicide doesn't solve any problems.

It does solve the immediate anxiety.   Our bodies use anxiety to bring unconscious thought to our attention.   At a time of crisis, a person may believe a long painful death (or life) awaits them and choose to avoid that.  If they have been thinking about it for a while, or have used drugs to help anxiety, fluctuations in the brain chemistry can drive a person to realize there is no further reason to live.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/suicide-and-the-economy/279961/  (worth reading)

You shouldn’t argue with logical sense to someone who behave emotionally 95% of the time and low IQ but high EQ.

[tvbcof]

...
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/suicide-and-the-economy/279961/  (worth reading)

Just by looking at the domain name in the URL I could tell more or less what it, CFR rag that it is, was going to say;  Suicide is OK and even kinda cool people with an education do it, and rich 'philanthropists' are awesome.

I didn't find much of substance in the article.  I'm sure that the NPR crowd will though, and primarily  'Because Atlantic'.

[hilariousetc]

Robin William kys over the obligations, his divorced, his obligations to pay for alimony for his exwife, in a time of crisis like today, the alimony doesn’t stop rolling, paying debt already painful enough. But imaging working as hard as possible to fund the lifestyle of the person you hate the most on the earth, he might get killed in car accident or something by deliberately making up a false accident, and get life insurance, and the compensation will still goes to his exwife, kys so no life insurance!

Robin Williams is a person who had a lot of things going on and had so for a long period of time. He'd suffered from depression and drug abuse throughout his life but he also had early stages of Parkinson's disease/dementia:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams#Addiction_and_health_problems

In an essay published in the journal Neurology two years after his death, Schneider revealed that the pathology of Lewy body disease in Williams was described by several doctors as among the worst pathologies they had seen. She described the early symptoms of his disease as beginning in October 2013. Williams' initial condition included a sudden and prolonged spike in fear and anxiety, stress and insomnia; which worsened in severity to include memory loss, paranoia, and delusions. According to Schneider, "Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it ... He kept saying, 'I just want to reboot my brain.'"

I don't think anyone could imagine what that's like to go through but it was obviously something he found unbearable especially on top of his depression and whatever other worries he had going on. Being famous/in the public eye probably doesn't help either and is likely to exacerbate problems. My great granddad had Parkinson's disease and my current granddad has early stages of dementia and both are horrible diseases that can progress quite rapidly. Depending how bad the diseases get they're probably not something I'd not want to live with personally so I can understand Robin William's situation.