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What if BTC never reaches all time high?

Look what happened to Japan stock index Nikkei 225:
https://adjusted-for-inflation.com/japanese-stock-market-nikkei-225/

It peaked in year 1990 at 38800 and only managed to get back to 24800. Now it looks likely it will never reach its all time high anymore.

Now let do a simple comparison:
Nikke 225
All time high 38800.
Second All time high 24800.
Second All time high to All time high ratio: 24800/38800 = 64%

Bitcoin
All time high 20000.
Second All time high 13000
Second All time high to All time high ratio: 13000/20000 = 65%

We can see that their Second All time high to All time high ratio are almost the same.

Is that the same pattern bitcoin will follow? Only pump and dump by whale price manipulators from now on but can only reach All time high again?

Do you own research on the Nikkei 225 index historical patterns and make your conclusion.

(you can view detailed Nikkei 225 index data here: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=TVC%3ANI225)

it would be a great day because you will finally realize that bitcoin is not defined by its price but by the utility that it provides as a decentralized payment system.

 ???I don't want to admit it but second all time high now would be also fine

It could be a coincidence, NK225 is a Japanese stock so maybe there must a reason that it didn't reach is that there must a timeframe that is so long that we may not reach because we don't have the patience. Bitcoin on the other hand is more currency sided which means that its price will surely skyrocket but not that much and we also have to wait for it.

Bitcoin should never be put in the same category as stocks. Stocks are an IOU that you own a share in a company. Bitcoin is like having something physically valuable in digital form, which can be easily divided then transacted or traded.

In my mind Bitcoin's price is either going to moon like crazy and eventually become the global reserve currency & digital gold or die a horrible death. You could say the risk of the investment is binary (1 or 0).

In a Bitcoiner's eyes, the chance of it succeeding far outweighs it's death. Bitcoin has been designed to be extremely robust on the internet (Distributed, Decentralized, Neutral, Censorship resistant etc). It has an 11 year track record of being extremely bullish. It's overall growth of development, infrastructure, adoption etc is not slowing down.

I personally think after you've done a certain amount of research, your decision will become very easy to make.
You will eventually come to the conclusion of BUY, HODL & continue to stack sats (DCA - Dollar cost averaging).

Short term price movements are a distraction to shake you out.

I heavily doubt bitcoin wouldn't reach it's previous ATH; it's mostly just a matter of when. But if not, let's say it's been a hundred years and bitcoin still didn't go back to $19,800+, then fine. As long as Bitcoin remains a decentralized currency, I don't see the problem.

Also, why are we even comparing bitcoin to stocks?

If it won't get again to 20k, no biggie, Bitcoin is still great as it is, with or without the price speculation.
But I believe it will. Its scarcity ensures that. Patience...

Yeah right there's no big deal for that since imagine how big the calamity happening right now and provably all people are in recovering phase since most of the people are gaining back their normal life together with their crypto activity so even if bitcoin didn't reach for ATH still this is the top coin on the space and the earning potential never stops there.

Its probably because of the trading platform today that were created for milking from the market like the BAKKT using their imaginary coins and the options trading but if the halving will really act as the catapult for the bulls, we may beat that $20k again. The coins are very limited, the supply will run out when these coins reached into the hand of the holders.

Who cares?Bitcoin will remain Bitcoin even if there is no another ATH sooner.

Bitcoin has been a Symbol of Financial Freedom for more than 10 years and there is no need to rush about the Price since this is not the true meaning why this is created instead this is a currency and not a store value.

and what always made me think is a Newbie account with single post bringing issues like this?whats the intention Behind this?

Sadly, or not, that great day will likely never arrive for most people already hopelessly fixated by price. If they haven't already understood and fallen in love with bitcoin for aforementioned reasons today, I doubt they can ever find the will to do so. That's why speculators be leaving and coming in waves.

We will never know but like pooya mentioned it's not about the price but the development that it has for being a payment method. That would be a great day to see most of the countries start using it.

We'll just think of the price secondarily.

It doesnt matter if btc will not reach his all time high. The use of btc is more important than the price as long as it has a value and still usable as payment option then its ok.

Those people waiting for ATH is those persons who only want to earn and not want to use it as normal currency that can be use any where in the world.

Comparing Bitcoin to Stocks is a Foul because both are too different thing.

But if ever happens that we did not reach the High price like what we have in 2017 even we have halving season now?this is normal since there is a Pandemic now.

but i know after this the effect of Halving will be in place and we will see growth again even if some thinks it will be late compared to the past halving seasons.

Never say never, but no one said it had to be "soon", it could take years, or the USD may collapse tomorrow for the inducing inflation of printing trillions of extra dollars that did not exist before.

While i understand the intent, what pooya said is silly. Bitcoin will always fluctuate, but less and less over time. It will also keep climbing, also slower over time. This is why i am sure it will eventually breach that 19.8k price, tho it might not be soon.

And no, people will not wait until bitcoin magically stabilizes (it never will) to use it. People are already using it, you just have to abandon all your Chicago school of economy misconceptions; it is easy to use a coin that doesn't lose value over time: just use what you need and keep the rest safe. No debts, no banks. Logically, prices and wages will go down too naturally as the coin gains value. Prices in a free market are never fixed, periodically contracts are renewed, etc.

why does it matter so much? if you take advantage of price fluctuations you will have a lot of profit. Now if you are just following the path of Hold, then you will have to be patient and wait at least 2 years to see the price again reach $20,000. I believe that in 2 years we will see the price reach $20,000

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there are many investors who are buying bitcoin, if the price dropped a lot it was for the same reason that it caused other markets to fall. I believe you know that

Yes I think for now, just imagine what are the possible things that would happen like the mega dropped and reaching the highest rate, anything are possible. But the real good thing is that Bitcoin is unpredictable where you can watched it to gained and lost hundreds it means there is a high possibility that it could still reach it's high rates from the bottom. But for now, as this pandemic still arising no one knows what will happen in the next few months so let's just have faith and patience on this that everything will be back to normal. Wait until BTC, stabilize itself. Yes indeed our environment or this crisis did affect bitcoin hard but it should be normal to us because if you know the market you are in, you'll just be calm and waiting for a great opportunity in bitcoin.

Indirectly, bitcoin has its own uniqueness compared to stocks like Nikkei, because the movement of bitcoin triggers only from speculators who are selling and buying, so as long as speculators still do that the same thing will continue to happen.

However, there is a different view this year when the movement of the exchange is too weak, but bitcoin can still be stable at the price of $6000.

I think the price of bitcoin will soar soon, because some countries are not impossible to legalize bitcoin as an alternative to keeping the price of the country's currency stable.

Makes no sense to compare BTC's price evolution to the Japanese stocks. That's pure coincidence. If Bitcoin never reaches ATH, nobody will put their money in BTC anymore to get rich overnight so it's partially a good thing. On the other hand though, that means there isn't demand for it. With decreasing demand, the utility of BTC is decreasing too..

Just sit back and wait. Anything is possible but I doubt BTC will never peak again. Remember, we're witnessing TRILLIONS of dollars pumping into circulation..

I think Nikke and bitcoin are not the same, and both Nikke and bitcoin don't have the same pattern. I think that happens because of a coincidence if you see the same pattern. I believe that bitcoin will reach ATH again in the future, and if that is not happening this year, bitcoin still has the future, which we don't know what will happens with bitcoin. It is better you watch the bitcoin journey and enjoy the ride while you can still buying bitcoin from now on before the price start to increase.

I do know for a fact Bitcoin would reach All time high again and even surpass it, but when this is going to happen is what I do not know. If you are a good trader you would know that the 13k, 9k 7k and 6k price floor are all Fibonacci retracement of the previous highs, I know some people do not believe in it

First, there's no such things as "second all time high", there can be only one all time high, isn't it obvious? The correct term should be "second peak".

So, what if Bitcoin never overcomes the all time high of $20,000? That would be quite bad for its price, because since it's so speculative, a lot of the current price is based on the hopes of reaching $100,000 or even higher. If Bitcoin will keep failing to break past the old resistance levels, it will trigger a bearish market when Bitcoin will have to defend its old support levels. So, trading below $1,000 would be very possible.

But, Bitcoin's usability as a currency wouldn't be affected. It would hurt its attractiveness as a store of value though, because a good store of value should be retaining its value and be predictable.

I understand your comparison but who cares if the price of BTCitcoin does not reach its all time valuation, is that the only reason we are into BTCitcoin ;), there is a big misconception in your comparison of a regional exchange to a global market and this is just a young market and keeps on growing and in the coming years we will see more investors in the market and that will help the market push to another all time high valuation but to expect the market to touch an all time valuation all the time does not make any sense.

The value of BTCitcoin as a store of value will be tested when the recession hits and with the situation we have right now we do not need to wait for a long time to test the waters as we might head into a global recession in the coming months and then we can very well claim how investors consider BTCitcoin as a store of value or a mere speculative market.

What a stupid analysis :D.

I'm not a good analyst but basing these 2 assets isn't worth it for me. Its just a coincidence. Tell this if there are other assets that are the same as Bitcoin and Nikkei 225. After that maybe some will believe in you. You also created a new account just to post this thread.

Let's have to wait by then. We are still in the crisis period and ain't to expect that the market will work that way, it probably after the war is over, Q3, Q4...things to see how the market behaves. Bitcoin move slowly backing up high, it sounds like we are in the recovery.
I hope that we are able to see another ATH but I'm not really crazy to think it always but rather to get surprised... ;D

It is easy to say, that we can see a new All-Time-High, but the OP want's to know "WHAT IF". Well, if that happens, for me, there's a lot of people who will get disappointed? Because some people expected Bitcoin is good for investment for the long term since the value of it is increasing.
But on the other side, there are also a lot of lessons we will get and lot of people will appreciate the really use of Bitcoin, that it's not only about the price of it.

You have your point but in crypto world anything is possible and it is very hard to predict what will happen in the future that is how volatile the market it. So let's say that your statement is 30-40% right because in my side, I truly believe that bitcoin will create a new ATH in the next bull run.

But the main problem is we are not yet sure when is the next bull run to happen as many are waiting for this moment. 20k$ bitcoin price can be break easily especially if the big whales will take the lead and the small investors will follow.

Doesn't matter at all.
It is actually in a good number by now than 2 years ago.
It's better than gold or anything out there which are also just being bought as store of value.

Although, it should not be about the price anymore. It is about how valuable bitcoin is.
If only people could look at that way easier then perhaps all bitcoin supporters will be glad at it. It doesn't need to go 20k or even 100k.
It won't matter if the USD value also goes south.

But you have to realize that bitcoin and tradition market in case stock market is different. Bitcoin should be mined first before it being traded on the market and its supply is limited, can give me one traditional market which has limited amount? There is not, most of them are managed by its creator. This limited amount will help bitcoin price going to up even more then its all time high. When many people are trying to hold their bitcoin that they have then the chance for its price increase is widely open. Moreover with halving event factor it will be the second factor that help bitcoin is up more then its priviously all time high.

it is not fair to compare stocks from from Crypto market because we have different approach and market.

but if BTC won't reach another record?i believe it doesn't concern us at all because we have been in lowest market level for couple of years now so it is not the top value again but at least make some good move up to prove that market is Healthy and there is a bright future ahead of all.

Time can tell and we should calm down and don’t think too much, if bitcoin can’t reach another peak then so be it we cannot force bitcoin to hit a new $20k mark or more. If there’s a great demand then we have a better chance, but right now we have to be wiser and make no panic at all. If you believe on bitcoin that’s good because for me, bitcoin will continue to improve our lives and I’m confident bitcoin will make a new peak even if its take another decade.

If the market price does not become volatile and does not have any move or changes it does not become a good market price because the reason why does it become more stable is because of the trading and transaction always happen and collected by the blockchain to make the accurate calculations of the total market price. Also if we want to make changes in the market we need to contribute all to have a lot of trading also if the whales now will release the huge amount of coins there is a huge change too and we are looking toward to the market price of 20k dollars but still, it takes a lot of time before it happens in make a huge comeback to the income of the bitcoin market price.

The value of it right now is much better compare to what is the price of bitcoin in 2016 which is around 1k$ so this current value is not that bad after all. If we cant get another ATH its not a big problem as long as the value is still alive and we can use it as normal currency and can easily convert to fiat money there is no problem.

The only problem if the will continue to decrease then that's means adoption decrease also.

Yeah, just speculate and claim it that bitcoin will go over all time high or at least make it to last all time high, or at the very least pass the $10K range. I know these past few months are getting hard for 2020, bitcoin shows dump that might be actually because of the corona virus, we can't really tell, but I'm sure there are people who are waiting for the time, the exact moment to inject before halving. There will be a point where the will start to run skyrocketing the bitcoin price. If bitcoin does not get that then it might be another year of waiting.

Bitcoin should be known for it's decentralized distributed payment method and not for how high it's price can go.
Although there is one huge benefit of the high price of bitcoin that the higher the price of bitcoin the less number of Satoshis we would use for the payments and hence we would be saving the rest of it. The more Satoshis we save right now, the more profit we will have out of it in the future.

If Bitcoin never reach all time high again,it's fine as long as it is useable as decentralized digital currency and still have a great value. The value of bitcoin is different from the stock,so the comparison of bitcoin all time high value and Nikkie225 is just coincidence.

What if Bitcoin never ever supersedes its prior ATH of $20,000~ odd well that's something no one can tell because there's no crystal ball just intelligent charting and lots of optimism, however, there's potential in it at least having a moderate impact in traditional markets over the next couple of years if the economic climate worsens globally eventually there'll be less alternatives to turn to and hopefully this asset will be one of them because just a small amount of capital from the trillion dollar markets would see it climb to new highs provided the global outlook doesn't get too gloomy else we'll have a $1,000 bitcoin on our hands but I doubt that will ever happen

how can there be a "second" all time high, when its called "all time high"?  ???

First silly thing you made to compare between stocks and crypto currency. And in my opinion i can't see any single point why btc won't reach all time high price again..? We all care about btc price because we all want to earn profit from it. But i will love to say that people should focus on btc as a decentralized payment system over centralized fiat money.

I think it is only a coincidence that their percentage matches. what about others? So i don't think btc will follow its movement. We can never tell if btc will not achieve its ATH again. We have long years of adoption already and as it sits, the adoption is slowly growing so the likelihood of increasing btc's value is very high. People should not be too pessimistic.

Another 2 completely different things compared to each other, and another crazy theory that represents resemblance figures. Nevertheless, stocks are different with cryptocurrency. Bitcoin has still a long way to go and there are still a lot of manipulation will happen, no one know whether it hits another ATH or not, and this theory is irrelevant with how Bitcoin was being used by the investors today.

OP doesn't even know what an ATH is.



This is not ATH! An all time high would have to be higher than 20 thousand to be counted as ATH because that's what all time means. 13800 was a yearly high which means nothing because measuring any move starting from 1 January is very unreliable. January 1 is not a significant date for bitcoin as there are no changes in the network being done on that date.

If you really want to measure cycles use halvings as starting points.

If 20000 is the ath then the diff will drop.

Nikke is different from Bitcoin that is an innovative technology that could an alternative to a possible financial crisis, sure any whale could sell and buy the price but that's the beauty of free market. But no one could manipulate the price movements and make it go back to zero value that's why i prefer decentralization. Unlike banks fiats and stock that a central authority can freely control the price just by printing money and lower interest rates to stimulate the market.

Why anyone will be looking for ATH? We have very few people who did not sell their coin during ATH. Most of th crypto users are regular trader, they do not need the ATH to make money. You can make money if BTC price gone below $1000, you can make if it hits ATH. So, I can not see any bad affect if BTC do not reach ATH.
Also, the use of BTC is not connected with ATH. If people have to pay with BTC, they will pay no matter what the price is.

The nature of bitcoin and the whole decentralized cryptocurrency is such that their price can never be even more or less relatively stable for a long time. Therefore, the price of Bitcoin will rise and fall more than once. The high price, on the one hand, is good for those who bought bitcoin earlier at a low price. However, it must be remembered that the higher its price, the greater the likelihood of a high price volatility of the cryptocurrency increasing, that is, the higher the risk of its fall.
We need to learn how to profit financially using high price volatility regardless of its price level.

This kind of question would show us who really believes in crypto and who would continue to use it no matter what.
If it doesn't reaches it's all time high then would you still continue to use it or are you going to leave the crypto space?
I think we should just focus on what's in front of us do you think that worrying about it would result to something good?

I never expect another Hype this soon ,i mean i don't look for the more than 20k$ value sooner because i know that it will never happen looking at the market now.
yeah Halving is soon to happen but not but the pandemic is also in the circulation so the more we expect is the more failure might come also.
so for me what ever market Gives me is i will accept open handed.

BTCitcoin in the face of the current crisis is responding well. Perhaps it is the lifeline of some investors who have not yet considered it.
Also, it will demonstrate all the usability that it can be capable and all will depend on our ingenuity.
Anything related to its price should be considered pure speculation.

A good answer, because the calculation of stocks is not impossible there is no manipulation of bankers to play in the market so that price movements are no longer transparent, of course this is inversely proportional to a decentralized market because everything is transparent and cannot be manipulated to a value of 0 if it is still there is a trade that continues.

If Bitcoin prices rise to the peak of all time, great days are waiting for us because if this price increase occurs in a healthy way, all crypto markets will move upwards. If you need to consider various positive scenarios such as an active bull period, rapidly rising market and new investors entering money in this market, I can easily state that it will be a process that we can all be very happy with. Moreover, with such a possible situation, the popularity of both Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies will increase and will contribute to the disappearance of cash in human history. On the other hand, to say something about the possibility of a single negative scenario, if Bitcoin reaches the peak of all time with high dominance, then there will be very dark and brutal days for alternative cryptocurrencies. For this reason, we must follow this situation correctly and evaluate it according to the market conditions.

The world economy is in a turmoil because of coronavirus yet bitcoin is not so much affected. Does that not tell you something? It shows the strength of the crypto. Staying above $6,000 for weeks now means a lot to its price and I believe that halving which will occure on Bitcoin next month will further strengthen it. The second ATH of $13,000 should he crossed before the end of 2020.

Maybe op is among those people that bought during the time the btc price was highest. Unfortunately, it could be possible only if a kind of revolution drives people to massively adopt the use of bitcoin and the demand is high. Aside that, I think bitcoin will just be struggling

In effect, I don't see a future where BTC will not reach ATH. Crypto is the future of finance and this pandemic has just demonstrated this. In my opinion it is a matter of time until crypto gets recognised as the future and when it does, those that believed in the industry will profit, though the time is more of a concern now rather than if it will ever get to ATH.

     We do not know if Bitcoin will reach the $ 20,000 mark as of December 2017, taking into account the difficult context we are going through, because of this COVID-19. The BTC price is likely to exceed that value threshold, but we cannot know when that will happen. For me the BTC remains something special, because more important than its price is its utility in daily transactions, a good alternative of FIAT currencies.

well, BTC has its purpose anyways. we aint just always looking for the price but for the utility of it as well.

its because of the people around the world panicking because most workers have no work because of this pandemic, so they withdraw their bitcoins in their wallet and use this money to provide what his/her family needs for everyday, but theres still chance that bitcoin will go high again, if this pandemic ends then the bitcoin circulation in the market will be balance again

I think everybody has his/her own all time for bitcoin now. As an investor you need to set your targets of profits with every asset that you purchase but don't go with the popular chorus of over $20K because if you do you are likely never going to cash out any profits. For instance if you bought bitcoin way below $4k and now it has increased about 50% I don't see the reason why you can take this profit and buy when it dips again. It's all about setting targets folks, don't wait for $20K before taking profits out of your investment.

So what? It doesn't matter if it doesn't reach ATH, as long as BTC still exists and is used or traded or invested, IMHO. Prices will always be there, volatility will be there, as long as demand and supply flood the market. We can know that ATH is not really the final destination, because new peaks and new valleys are always dynamic, taking advantage of existing patterns.

I am sure, one day the previous ATH can be exceeded, when? I don't know, no one can guess for sure, just limited to speculation. Sooner or later even relatuif, it's only a matter of time. The problem is we miss a lot of opportunities to get profits.

I enjoyed reading this statement cause you said "It looks like". Actually, bitcoin as I believe will go beyond it's all time high even if not soon but then, is bitcoin all about the money? Or an idea created for making payments?

I don't think that they are the same, you just make it the same with your calculation above. Stock and crypto shouldn't have the same pattern, they are a bit different. Yep, what's happening on Nikkei 225 cannot be compared with Bitcoin because they are different in history, function, and characteristics. At least, you know that Bitcoin is like the main coin in crypto and has high volatility. It is much different than Nikkei 225. So, I believe that Bitcoin never follows the pattern of Nikkei 225.

With massive adoption and usage of cryptocurrency, i think bitcoin can attain unimaginable price value even higher than it's previous ATH. After the bull run of the 2017, a lot of people remove money from the cryptocurrency market because of lot of scam ICO that leverage the nice trend gather by the cryptocurrency market. The current market capitalization is less than half of what we had in 2017 which validates the fact that rate of  adoption is the key to cryptocurrency price increment. I can't wait to see the marketcap rose above trillion dollars

Don't compare bitcoin with the stock market, because investing in both is much different. If now the Nikkei 225 stock index data is the same
with bitcoin is just coincidence. Because I'm sure bitcoin will reach all time high, but it is not in the near future. I remain optimistic about the
future of bitcoin, in fact I am sure the price of bitcoin will exceed all time high in a few more years.

If Bitcoin is to achieve mass adoption, then it will need to reach at least the market capitalization of circulating US dollars. That's around 2 trillion USD in bills, or approximately 17.5x higher than the current valuation of Bitcoin. At that value, each Bitcoin would be worth approximately $100,000.

If Bitcoin never achieves wide-scale adoption, then it will never reach anywhere near this value. The fact is, further growth from this point pretty much relies on Bitcoin achieving some form of adoption, and that's simply not going to happen in its current slow iteration.

You are right, crypto investment is different from the real investment but then, the risk found in crypto is really high. I know that almost all of us here are meant to be optimistic and think for another ATH but not really that is easy. It relies on the market resistance and something it misses these days when we are at war against COVID-19. This year is really a big challenge for all of us but despite this, we are still able to cope it up and still stood strong.

Well, for you it might be a great way to make payments, to pay loans and something like that for most people it's about the profit they are getting from trading and long term holding. I don't really look at the future movement as it will just stir my mind so instead, I will just meddle on what's in front of me. I can't mold the future but what I can do right now is be ready for what may happen. 

What we can do now is to wait for what will happen.

It is said that the pandemic can't affect the price of Bitcoin directly but that is not the same with those people that are having a hard time now with the quarantine. This pandemic will not be that easily dispersed and we might wait for a longer time for our lives to be normal. Even with the halving, we can't really say that it would be the same as last year's result.

I'm extracting what he said about the development and it's a good point to take that base from what OP was asking. Yes, given that the USD may inflate soon since the stimulus was already there.

And that's the exciting part where we will be heading after this crisis.

If it's not then it's not, as simple as that. However, I doubt about that possibility because in my point of view btc grow bigger and bigger which later can definitely result to price increase later. After this pandemic, there's a big chance that many government around the globe will realized how significant a cashless transaction is and this is where Bitcoin may enter :). They may finally accept crypto payments within their countries, more and more people might adopt such kind of technology, and big businessmen might also invest unto it. Who knows ;)?

Why are we even judging it by its price? Sure, talking about if it could reach another new high is fun and all, after all, if you hodl and that happened, easy profit. But that doesn't mean that THAT itself defines what BTC is. If it never reached it, then so be it. It's not like that BTC code has a self-destruction sequence that states that when it doesn't reach the ATH in x amount of time, the system would be destroyed or something like that. BTC isn't an investment in the end, it's just a means just like fiat. A medium of transaction which is basically done over the internet, one that no central power has control of.

I think many people are upset they lost out when crypto was still very new just after 2010 but in foresight, it's easy to say that. Even if you flip a coin and get heads not tails you could just say to yourself you should have picked tails. I think most people that talk about the price high are wanting a second chance at glory but they should not forget at other currencies too. When crypto really picks up and tokens have real-world value and tokens act more like stocks in a company then those tokens will soar in price along with the new project that backs them.

Exactly. Bitcoin was never meant to be a dependent currency from the world's monetary system. It was created to be largely independent from the centralized infrastructure that's prone to corruption and fraud. People have used Fiat as a unit of account to measure Bitcoin's value. Prices go up and down in a blink of an eye as they're the ones who determine its value instead of a central authority. Since there's no company, central operator, or middleman behind it, the pioneer cryptocurrency can never be compared to the likes of traditional stocks in the mainstream world. Comparing Bitcoin vs stocks is like comparing apples vs oranges. Stocks cannot be used as money for daily payments unlike Bitcoin. The pioneer cryptocurrency allows you to use it as both a store of value and a currency for daily payments. It's like combining the best of both worlds.

Saying that Bitcoin will never reach a new ATH, is a pessimistic attitude. Given that Bitcoin was designed to be a deflationary cryptocurrency, it's supposed to rise in price over time. The rules of supply and demand tells us it should be this way. While Bitcoin is still speculative, its use cases in the mainstream world are expanding far beyond reach. With the Lightning Network, it's now possible to use Bitcoin for daily payments just as you would with cash. Instant transactions and low fees will make Bitcoin highly attractive to the masses. As a result, demand for Bitcoin will increase alongside its price across the crypto market. If you believe in Bitcoin's core Blockchain technology to change our world for the better, you'd "hodl" it no matter what. Otherwise, Bitcoin is not for you.

What's important is not how much Bitcoin is worth in terms of USD (Fiat), but how useful it is for censorship-resistant payments worldwide. So far, Bitcoin has done an excellent job in preserving decentralization/censorship-resistance where no one has been able to disrupt the chain in its entirety. This gives us freedom to transact with anyone in the world without the fear of getting our funds confiscated or our account frozen by a third-party. In a world where the banking system is about to collapse in its entirety, Bitcoin serves as a "safe-haven" asset which operates 24/7 regardless of negative events in the mainstream world. It's unstoppable unlike any other currency worldwide. With good patience, you'll be able to see great results in the future. Let's hope that with the upcoming halving, prices start to rise across the crypto market at a fast pace. Just my thoughts ;D

If it reached ATH, then that's great, if it doesn't that's okay too, as long as BTC stay as BTC and all that matter is we reach that consistent up and not DIP that low that will cause a panic for everyone.

This scenario is quite possible. Bitcoin was originally designated as a currency. So rather than the exchange rate, the adoption and acceptability levels are more important for Bitcoin. If Satoshi is still alive, then he will be concentrating more on these aspects rather than the exchange rate of Bitcoin. But naturally as the acceptability increase, the prices should also go up. If it is not happening, then there is some manipulation going on.

What's wrong with speculation then? the core of the price is the speculation from people behind your bitcoin. With the price of it right now, it seems like we are getting back on our feet to continue the phase of halving, yet I'm very positive that we are heading a good market, a bullish one.

I hope so, there is a huge chance of cryptocurrency to be fully recognized and adopted by the government after this. Crypto payments are already in the reality, however it is not that fully utilized by many so I'm thinking that we are going to see more often of cryptocurrency payments in malls and online shops.

Not sure how come you are comparing those Japanese stocks with bitcoin. Look, the supply of bitcoin is limited to 21 million coins. No new coins will be added to the market after 21 million coins has been reached, but their will be increase in the demand of the coin each and everyday. The population is not limited, remember that. As days pass by, more crypto currency users will be created, thus creating more demand for the coins which in turn will cause the price to rise.
Yeah, we might not  see it in the short run, but we may see the price rising  and reaching the all time high in the long run.

Btc and stock market is different. The price in stock market is influenced by many factors include companies performance where there is dividend rate that offered by that companies while there is no dividend for btc holder. Btc price is compared against fiat price where fiat price or value is always decrease because of inflation. So bitcoin price will reach $20000 again due the decreasing value of fiat. There is a case where japan's nikkei 225 was in a parabolic bubble in the 1980s when the Dow jones industrial average had a steady rise, even nikkei has not recovered while the Dow jones fully survived its biggest one-day decline on October 19, 1987. Its proof that nikkei 225 performance is not so good.

I have no problem if BTC can't reach its ATH again. My target in Bitcoin investment isn't the ATH but certain rates to reach to be considered for selling. For me, if the price can grow up until $20k, it is more than enough. About the ATH of Nikkei 225, it is incomparable with ATH in BTC. We have unstable and unpredictable price moves, so it isn't impossible to see it suddenly improve someday.  :D

As a bitcoin hodler, Reaching ATH again is a chance that we can never let go. I hodl bitcoin for-profit and buying and hodling it in some way that I am earning some profit. As you said it is not impossible that's why many of us is wishing that moment will happen again and bitcoin will surpass its ATH again.

It will happen again for sure, since we already witness that before and history will repeat itself  the all time high will be reach. You have to position yourself and make sure that you are ready and willing to take the risk knowing that there's no certain and active time frame for this new height
The last time high went to the peak of $20k. Lots of people are still hoping that it will be back or much better to surpassed that amount and reached more than the last time high.

If bitcoin never reaches all time high maybe people will not going to be more excited on investing into it. If bitcoin is remain its value from the start maybe it will not going to be exciting. Bitcoin is amazing because it is high on volatility and everyone can really earn on it depending on how we take action or handle our emotions on crypto feild.

Indeed. There could be some people who will lose their interest to maintain their long term investment in bitcoin if it doesn't reaches the all time high because their expectations will end up a disappointment. But i still believe that bitcoin will still reach it's all time high that it really takes a lot of time for it to reach.

well for now maybe some traders are still waiting and saving up for investment, lets just wait for them and then the btc price will become high again and soon i believe that it will reach its high peak again like the price way back 2018 when it reached the 20,000 dollars that time and i cant wait for that to happen again soon. and for my advice as an investors we should wait for others to become a part of our this forum again

It is no problem if bitcoin never reaches an all-time high, but I wonder if that is right or not because the last time higher is almost at $20k, and the second is at $13k. I am expecting the next higher bitcoin price is at $15k-$17k before we make another high price, and that means, the bitcoin price can go more than $20k. It is interesting to wait for the price can make the new highest price, whether it will happen in this year or next year. So we need to wait and see while we can do another thing to pass the time.

Bitcoin is a different market, there's no competition on bitcoin, it is dominating the crypto market so if crypto would boom, bitcoin should lead the way.
This is a revolutionary invention, when people keep adopting to crypto, that would only mean a growth of demand and the growth of demand will simply increase the price, we can only use a simple math here and for sure we will see what's its future be look like.

Maybe this indicator is just a coincidence,

Hey guys, bitcoin enthusiasts are always increasing because bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency, when you buy a cup of coffee, and pay it with 1Lot of shares, the coffee seller will refuse your payment ::),
but if you pay for coffee with bitcoin, the coffee seller will receive your payment :o

Different for the other since this new technology but if you compare the both stock if you mean this, you can find that there's an actual similarities since we are trading it to earn and stake with it if we like. But although we are doing great for the past several years for the adoption will grow and might we can see a bigger changes to the price due to number of people  growing.

I guess it is not a good idea to compare Japan's stock with bitcoin because one simple different is bitcoin is having adopters from all over the world and I am not seeing anyone from my country not investing with Japan's stocks. I remember there were lots of topics by 2015 which talked about what if bitcoin would not be moving forward.

Like anyone, for me too the future of bitcoin is a mystery, everyone is unsure as to whether there is going to be another all time high price and Bitcoin beating the last all time high price. But if Bitcoin doesn’t beat it’s last all time high price, I wouldn’t be much worried about that, it doesn’t mean that you wouldn’t be able to make any profit, there will still be some fluctuations and you will make profit just like we are seeing it now. I’m very okay with the price and most times the price is nothing that I worry about because I know that things will always get better.

It could be, we cannot really tell what is going to happened in the market in the coming months as we know there are so many predictions about the market price of bitcoin but still, we don't know what could happen.

Through my experience in bitcoin, it is already capable of reaching the ATH 20000$ in the market at any moment, but still even myself I doubt it because there are just so many factors plus we have a crisis that could potentially affect the market price of bitcoin. No doubt that bitcoin could reach ATH but we just don't know when it will going to happen but we could surely expect a movement in the market price of bitcoin in the coming bitcoin halving so I guess we just need to invest already since the market was a dump in the past weeks.

Yes, stock is an asset whether bitcoin is a payment mode so its not okay to compare it with a random stock.No one knows when it will reach new height but will for sure and that same kind of mindset has been with most of the crypto enthusiasts.

Exactly. I don't get why people are complaining about Bitcoin's price in terms of Fiat, since it was intended to be an alternative to the current monetary system? Back in Bitcoin's early days, there were no exchanges that would trade Bitcoin to Fiat or vice versa. Everything was made directly in Bitcoin from one person to another. The current sentiment of everyday people, shows that they still don't understand how crypto/Blockchain tech properly works. As long as people continue to speculate about Bitcoin's prices in terms of Fiat, the cryptocurrency won't be able to reach mass adoption within the mainstream world.

Things aside, true believers of the cryptocurrency would use it directly for mainstream transactions regardless of its price. As I always say, 1 Bitcoin will always be equal to 1 Bitcoin. There are many jobs out there which pay you directly on Bitcoin instead of Fiat. The same way, there are businesses and merchants accepting Bitcoin directly as payment method. The more people continue to use Bitcoin independently from Fiat, the better it'll be for its adoption in the mainstream world. The crypto economy will benefit more if people use it directly as a unit of account, instead of relying on Fiat for everything.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't worry if Bitcoin's prices in terms of USD never reaches an All-time-high. The situation looks very unlikely to happen anytime soon since Bitcoin is scarce by design. Every 4 years, Bitcoin experiences a reduction in block reward that should increase its value over time. But knowing that the market is highly speculative, anything could happen in the future. Prices can either go up or down in an instant. At least, Bitcoin is functional as a decentralized cryptocurrency for daily payments. And that's what matters here. Just my thoughts ;D

As I understand, he is not comparing the local stock from crypto but he is trying to put an example of what could possibly to happen when we are using crypto. Of course, they are different and we are pertaining to become a currency not an asset but most of us here are considering as an investment rather than to be as another payment option.

If we all are supporting crypto, it definitely, we can see a huge market demand and a way of seeing another ATH. But unfortunately, we are far from that. We can see pumps but not good enough to make it. 

Well, with the situation we are in right now it is possible that Bitcoin might not reach the ATH but Bitcoin doesn't stop right there. There's a lot of time and chances that it would reach another ATH again although we aren't that so sure yet when would that going to happen in the future. Bitcoin is more than just a speculation it is a technology that can make things easier without the hassle that we experience from the other platform.

Yeah, as long as we are here, reaching the ATH will always be possible. Now, that more users are getting into crypto, it will create demand in the market especially when this pandemic is over. Right now, don't expect that bitcoin will shoot up. We have to understand the situation we are in. It might take years to see that 20k again but I strongly believe that it will happen in our lifetime. If people are ignoring bitcoin or crypto, then, that's the time that we need to be worried about its future.

As long as BTC continues to exist, it is fine if it never reaches a new all-time high,

Its users will still continue to use it and benefit from using it. Also, as long as we continue to use bitcoin, the possibility of it to reach a new all-time high is still there, what we just need is to wait for the right time for it to recover.

That's right, because as its price is increasing so high, people treat bitcoin as getting rich scheme and that's not the purpose of it. As a decentralized payment system, it should be used properly in the market and many transactions. People mistreated the true worth of something if they find out that it has something more to do compared to its normal value. I know it is not easy to handle greed if you know that something that you have can change your life because of its high value in the market, but you always need to keep in your mind that bitcoin is the future of transactions. Bitcoin is very good at manipulating in the market as it helps the economy grow whenever this bitcoin increase its price from time to time.

Basically, it is not suitable to compare bitcoin with stocks because it is likely to be difficult for stocks to reach ATH but not for Bitcoin. Look at the effects that can pump bitcoin in an instant while stocks require a long period of time for a significant increase, there are many differences between the two.

Because in time things will favor the market again,and there is no thing as 'Never' since this Currency ha a promise of being in the circulation for long time and price will eventually grow no matter what happens.
in year or so like what happened in the past the value wlll somehow reach another High it may not High like 2017 but at least like 2019 3rd quarter is enough.
and also having adoption happening before the pandemic arise?like Korea and India?sure we will see good Move in 5 years or so.

If ever that BTC will never reach an all-time high, there are other times that it might reach a new one. But you know, I don't think that it will happen, as we all know, over the past years, bitcoin continues to increase its price. There are ups and downs, but it is certain that its price movement is going up.

We already had enough to be honest, bitcoin reached from 3000 to 7000 in real soon but those stocks are not upto that level and more over after this corona ends we may have more support coming to cryptos from new people because now they may realized and recognized what bitcoin is actually created for.

Right. We must remember that all investment products such as gold, stocks, cryptos, etc. will not continue to rise. There are times when corrections and we must take the right steps with the calculated strategy. Panicking is not good, so make sure we prepare plan B. There are times when locking your profit it's a good thing.

Trends and patterns in cryptocurrency are always changing, as we know that data shows that there is always a significant increase after halving. New ATHs are always formed, but many experts predict that it is difficult for this period, we know the world is in crisis due to the COVID 19 pandemic. Even if ATH is not achieved I think the crypto market will still exist and become a profitable alternative for investment. But who knows? All this is only speculation and the crypto market is always full of surprises. We look forward to it.

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I guess you are right, I agree with your explanation because bitcoin is a unique asset, it's crypto that is different from other assets in the market, that's why we recover from the fall as we are not correlated with the stock market.

also in terms of volatility, bitcoin is so volatile compared to other assets, and since the supply is just limited, it's always possible for this asset to reach its ATH.

The limited supply concept will surely make a new all time high over sometimes. It's just a basic law of supply and demand, as time passes by, the demand for bitcoin will grow as new people are going to discover it and new people are going to invest in bitcoin then, the supply will be limited so that, the bitcoin price is going to go up! It's just time, Bitcoin price in long term basis will surely reach the moon!

There are only two cause if the market price of the bitcoin will not reaches its all time high because it is a sign for another declined market and cause of lowering the market price of the bitcoin but sometimes it the market price of the bitcoin does not reached this on the same day it happens to have a huge bullish market but we cannot tell to everyone what are the things will happens bedside the market is volatile and it is more easy to predict but we cannot give any concrete answer and calculations for the next market movement.

Exactly. It doesn't matter whenever prices go up or down, as Bitcoin was created to be independent from the world's monetary system. What matters here is usability above anything else. As long as Bitcoin is a reliable cryptocurrency for frictionless payments in a decentralized manner, there's nothing to worry about. The Bitcoin network is still strong after all these years with ample support from average individuals and developers alike. It never stops, operating 24/7 without fear of censorship or fraud. Giving Bitcoin a price in terms of Fiat, will bring more speculation than anything else. Imagine how different things would've been if everyone started using Bitcoin directly for daily payments without having to convert it to Fiat. It would certainly contribute towards the crypto economy as we know it.

Hopefully, the upcoming halving event on the Bitcoin blockchain will increase demand for the cryptocurrency across the market. Don't fret if nothing happens with Bitcoin's price in the long run, since it does its job well as a censorship-resistant cryptocurrency no single entity can take control of. With Bitcoin, you and only you have control of your money. This freedom is what matters above anything else. I'd expect Bitcoin to grow in development and innovation over time, instead of its price going all the way to the moon. Just my thoughts ;D

That Nikkei had such growth doesn’t mean that Bitcoin is going to be the same, and moreover they are both two different things, this one is a stock while Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. Though I am not trying to say there will be another all time high in Bitcoin, I can’t predict the future , I know nothing about it.

I am always okay with whatever I’m seeing,except a very high loss. I don’t worry much about the price of bitcoin, and if the price should become stable tomorrow, I wouldn’t worry about it, I will be okay with it. Though I might not be happy in the sense that it will not longer serve for an investment purpose, but I will still adapt to it. Let’s wait from now till next year ends and we will see what happens. If you check the last time we had a halving, the price went up the next year (from 2016 to 2017).

ATH is not out from my sight but the problem is we got nothing to expect to come out this time of crisis, of course, we can't disclose its possibility but the chances is low. That is why I shouldn't have to think about it, in fact, I'm satisfied already with what the market has shown to us. Even though we are still low, I believe that traders are still making gains at this time.

In the first place, We are not here just only because of ATH but we are here because we also want to know more about crypto, making trades, and make money from it. We can't deny that more people come to crypto during the bullish but they'll go once bullish is over.

Maybe we are getting another all time high this year or maybe not at all. Halving might bring a good run for cryptocurrencies or might not. Even when things are looking good we cannot just assume that we are going into another all time high, I mean it's not the same scene anymore with cryptocurrencies it is more of like a competition among the riches and they are the ones who are deciding when the market could go bullish.
Now seems like they are giving us time to build a price for them, it's interesting how the price is not increasing as the halving coming near.

I don't understand why people relate BTC to S&P500, Nikkei and other major markets? You don't see a simple yet an extremely big difference here that these markets have got an extremely big marketcap attached to their names whereas BTC still has a lot more to achieve in the near time, so why even bother comparing these markets to a completely new asset class that is not even mass-adopted as of yet whereas these names are so famous that people blindly trust and trade on them?

if it reaches  ATH i will sell my btc because i was going to sell it when it was 10k and then it started going down

Despite the dumps, the possibility of Bitcoin to reach ATH is always there.

We don't need to wait for it really since we all know how volatile it is and we might end up frustrated as sudden dumps are happening lately. It is not that big of a dump but still, there are some people that worry every time that happens. For sure, it will reach a new ATH but I am not expecting it to be that fast since there are still those things that can still, in some way, affect the price these days.

For me, I think if bitcoin never reaches the all time high, mass adoption wouldn't be developed and the reason why people are investing in bitcoin is because they saw that bitcoin can change people's lives. Its price is volatile in the market it goes down and it goes up and that's what makes bitcoin very hard to manipulate. The price is really unpredictable and it takes a great prediction and strategy for you to prevent having huge losses, but it still depends on how you can recover from that losses. Overall, bitcoin is really a good store of value, it can bring you a huge amount of profit when its price is in its peak. You're so lucky if you experienced the all time high of bitcoin as it is like a lucky day for all of us who uses it.

So you mean that the only reason for Bitcoin adoption is speculation? Aren't you a bit harsh?
One great thing Bitcoin can bring is to avoid the need to exchange money in all the local currencies and pay with Bitcoin.
Another great thing is money transfer way faster than any banks would ever do.
Also don't forget its main feature: set you free from centralized and politically manipulated fiat currency.
All of these mean nothing to you?!



Don't you think that this up and down can be the result of some manipulations and can make some traders very rich?



It's hard to predict, but professional traders may do it. Trading is not for everybody and many treat is like lottery.



Many bought at peak. I would not call them lucky. And Bitcoin as store of value is quite a debate which is affected a lot by its huge volatility.



All in all, I think that you should read more. Many of the things you wrote are incorrect.

I am among those who invest in bitcoin for the long term, and I believe bitcoin will definitely touch the price of all time high.
Indeed I also realize that bitcoin for this year will touch ATH prices very little, but I am sure 1-2 years from now bitcoin will
touch the price of ATH. So from now on I try to collect bitcoin, because right now I think the price of bitcoin is very cheap.

These are 2 completely different things compared to each other, and another crazy theory. Nevertheless stocks are very different with cryptocurrency. Bitcoin has still a long way to go and there are still a lot of manipulation will happen, no one know whether it hits another All time high or not, and this theory is irrelevant with how Bitcoin was being used by the investors today.

Unfortunately I do not understand why people are always worried about Bitcoins reaching an all time high , yes investment is a problem , people who would have invested in Bitcoins in 2017 and during the high time , they would be loosing a lot of money but at the same time it would make Bitcoins , less volatile , also people would start coming up to the fact that Bitcoins is not leaving the economy and investors will pool in after a while because I do think that it is the most successful Cryptocurrency. In respect of everything 💯 .
It would do nothing , we will still be where we are , trading volumes might decrease but at the same time long term benefits are not few.

Most people still don't understand the purpose of crypto's creation or how it truly works. They're only in it for the money, instead of the technology. That's why we see many of them comparing Bitcoin to stocks, as if it were an asset controlled or issued by a company or central authority. Comparing Bitcoin vs stocks is like comparing apples vs oranges. As far as I know, the crypto market is much more volatile than the regular stock market since it's still small. It's only been 11 years since the inception of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology, which means that the market still needs some time to mature. Liquidity is needed in order to grow the crypto market to new heights. Crypto is only a very small fraction of the global economy, while stocks have trillions of dollars invested on them. I guess that the small crypto market greatly contributes to wild fluctuations in price over time.

Until now, Bitcoin is purely speculative than anything else. Expect to see wild price changes in a blink of an eye, due to "market immaturity". The "weak hands" will continue to sell Bitcoin as long as prices are on a downfall, while the "strong hands" will buy and "hodl" the coin no matter what. Given that Bitcoin will experience a reduction in block rewards every 4 years, it's expected that it'll reach a new All-time-high in price over time. It's very unlikely for a scarce asset/commodity to maintain its price or even become less valuable in the long term. Take a good look at Gold, and see for yourself. As long as you believe in Bitcoin itself (rather than filling your pockets with money), anything is possible. We need more believers in crypto/Blockchain tech, than profiteers or speculators in order to bring true value to the crypto market. Just my thoughts ;D

Everything is possible in crypto space though, but lossing your hopes for big figures maybe temporary at the moment. Everyone knows what Bitcoin is capable of, this figure ain't last forever. It could go worse or it could make a run breaking a new ATH.
Bitcoin, may miss a bull run this year, but will definitely hit another ATH soon. No one actually knows when, but holding long term will guarantee a good profit.

What? Bitcoin is decentralized and stock is centralized, so, don't think the two should be compared to another because they're different entity from their creation to their community. Their prices with definitely  e different and their achievement will be different too. Although, base on what have been happening in the market, there is a possibility of the price of Bitcoin to soar even though we don't see another all time high, hope without whales manipulations we.might be heading to $10k before the halving and after the halving targeting another high again.

Well, if you are not I am. Despite the fact that I also want to use bitcoin as a payment method every day, I also wanted to earn a profit out of trading and holding them in a time period. If the price did not reach another ATH, that is fine as there would come a time that the price will be reaching that and might exceed what we are expecting.

Most of those who followed bitcoin are people who waits for good movements, investment reasons as they are in the believe that day will come and bitcoin will rise high the same thing from how it was way back 2017, maybe not this year as even halving is there but the pandemic virus affects the world economy and investors are not that much to follow the momentum and support for much better outcome, who knows after this year another new ath will be reached.

A common mistake on most people and specially to those who do just recently jumped into this market where they do believe that they can make easy money or do hope that the price could shoot up continously
without even thinking that this isnt how the market works.We cant really say that BTC might not able to reach its previous ATH if we do try to look up on its current price then we are 200% away into that level
which we know that it isnt really that hard to reach it up but the question is, when? I cant see a reason for it to be seen on early time yet we know on what are the current situation we've been facing.

   As a long-term holder I don't ask myself when we will see new ATH! It's the way I prepare myself to wait,
to not bother myself with questions nobody can give answers! I rather think about possibilities and chances,
it's how I try to find a logic. After all that I choose to believe in Bitcoin in long-term, and my believes can't be
shaken easily!
   Where is positive prediction about Bitcoin future, there is couple negative ones. Stop reading predictions if
they bother you and make you feel bad, focus on how to contribute and how to help Bitcoin in mass adoption.
I think all of us help in some way, and if we continue to do that like until now we will see Bitcoin making new ATH.

All of us here wanted to Hold Bitcoin because we know that there is always a time when it is pumping also the next is dumping.
But we must not forget that circulation will help the improvement and success of this currency so We need to use as payment as well.
so either hold some and sell other to maintain the power of this number cryptocurrency .

Well, i think that the second time high is also decent enough and as per my calculations and studies bitcoin will rise after this pendemic lets just hope for the best!!

Many users are still holding bitcoin despite of this pandemic happening. Their is always the possibility that bitcoin could reach the all time high. It cannot be comparable to stocks and also we have already seen the price is volatile it may up or suddenly down. So let's expect the price is unpredictable and has its volatility.

That's certainly true, mate. People just want to make a quick buck with Bitcoin, rather than believing in its core technology to change the world for the better. It's all about freedom/decentralization, than making money. After all, Satoshi designed Bitcoin to be independent from the world's current monetary system. But people are still putting their faith on Fiat instead of Bitcoin, despite being subject to manipulation or fraud. Whenever there's a bear market, most people cash out their Bitcoin for Fiat. Almost everyone is waiting for Bitcoin to reach a new All-time-high to make profit. Lower prices across the crypto market, tends to scare people away from the industry. With a Bitcoin halving every 4 years, you'd expect prices to become higher over time.

It doesn't matter if Bitcoin reaches a new ATH in price or not, since it was designed as an alternative monetary system to existing Fiat. As long as the BTC blockchain is still alive and running, there should be nothing to worry about. Decentralization/censorship-resistance is key to achieving financial sovereignty. That's what matters here. And Bitcoin can be used directly for peer-to-peer payments regardless of its price across the market. Once you focus on Bitcoin's utility, you won't need to worry on its price ever again. Just my thoughts ;D

I think coincidence is a real thing here, we know that cryptocurrency has a volatility state that everyone couldn't guess or predict what could stable price should be. Perhaps we may know what is next pumping or falling of price by understanding some trends and issues, analyzing market current situations that may occur in cryptocurrency and also in Bitcoin.

we cant compare stocks to btc because btc is a new technology and people are still starting to appreciate it while stocks are already known  .

more chance that more money can still flow around btc makes its value to grow more  but let say if ever btc never touches ath again , i think no one will change  .  people are still here hoping   . those who buy at ath ofc cant recover anymore but there are many people that buys on the dip so they can still recover and earn some profits  .

Regardless of the price bitcoin was not created to be an investment tool on the first had. It was created to be an alternate medium of exchange and no one even predicted that the price would be this massive compared to when it was created. There is a huge difference between the two you were comparing so I guess comparing the similarity ont he percentage is irrelevant, bitcoin has not reached the peak of mass adaptation yet.

well, I don't think so, the fact that it as a limited supply, it cannot be a online currency only as eventually the demand will increase and how would bitcoin will handle that, it cannot make additional supply as its not part of its system.

Also, people who invested in the early time, they know it's gonna be useful in the future and its demand will increase, so they are holding some supply and they are making a fortune already even if they will sell now.

For what I know, Bitcoin's prices are truly unpredictable. No one knows what will happen in the future. Bitcoin could go all the way to the moon like it did back in 2017, or all the other way around. A lesson I've learned is that one shouldn't focus on Bitcoin's price, but rather on how useful it is for daily payments. 1 Bitcoin will always be equal to 1 Bitcoin regardless of its price on the market. Price volatility is not much of a concern if you use Bitcoin directly without depending on Fiat as a unit of account. I've seen many jobs paying in Bitcoin, and merchants/businesses accepting Bitcoin directly as payment method. As long as you forget about how much a Bitcoin is worth, you'll see great results in the future.

Technically speaking, Bitcoin should rise in price by each halving of the block reward. We're very close to the next Bitcoin halving, so that should increase prices a little within the short term. I don't think Bitcoin will never reach a new All-time-high since demand will rise according to its limited supply. The more scarcer Bitcoin gets, the more money will pour across the crypto market. One thing for sure is that the crypto market is completely different from the regular stock market. The high fluctuations in price brings many profit opportunities with it. But at the same time, it can lead to many losses. Stocks are much more stable than Bitcoin, but they're centralized and highly attached to events in the mainstream world. Negative news greatly affect stock's prices than it does on Bitcoin itself. The current COVID-19 outbreak is a good example of this.

If you believe in Bitcoin, you'll stay in it for the long term. There's a lot of work to be done, in order to make Bitcoin the best money the world has ever seen. Don't let panic sells on the market make you determined to get out of Bitcoin ASAP. Always keep watch of Bitcoin's latest development efforts in the crypto space, to make a decision with your BTC holdings. As long as there are people who buy Bitcoin on the market, there's hope that prices will rise more than $20k sometime in the future. Just my thoughts ;D

You're comparing a stock , an equity vs a cryptocurrency coin.  The comparison doesn't really add up. One is backed by actually business and they other a currency in it's infancy.  If Bitcoin never reached it's all time high again, than in my opinion bitcoin will have failed.  The main goal for bitcoin is to make it a global currency.  If it never gets to those heights again, that means it was never adopted on a very high level, it was not accepted in mainstream as a payment type.  I don't think there is any way bitcoin has become a "success" if it doesn't get back to that point and then some.

if Bitcoin not at all overcomes the all time high. That would be somewhat decomposing for its price, for the reason that since it's accordingly speculative, a plight of the existing penalty is based on the hopes of attainment $50,000 or smooth higher. If Bitcoin will care for lacking to become public ancient the one-time resistance levels, it will trigger a bearish sell while Bitcoin will receive to defend its childhood crutch levels. So, trading below $1,000 would be exceptionally possible.

In my opinion, people who argue that bitcoin has never been reached all time high certainly do not have confidence in the future of bitcoin.
For me bitcoin will definitely reach all time high, but it might not be achieved in the near future. My estimation is likely achieved 2 years
from now. I think so because I see that many countries have legalized bitcoin and also slowly the number of merchants receiving bitcoin
payments is increasing. With that in mind, proven bitcoin demand is increasing. If this continues it can make the price of bitcoin continue to
rise, and I'm sure in the end bitcoin can reach an all time high price.

Bitcoin differs greatly from conventional assets such as stocks and commodities, so its pricing calculation relates to some advantages. Since the official price of bitcoin does not exist, some sites and companies calculate its index based on the existing data. To this end, they weigh the value in various leading currencies according to the volume of sales and reach their average.

it actually doesn't matter whether Bitcoin remains stable or continues its growth.

The only thing that really matters is the absolute number of Bitcoin users. The more users, the more Bitcoin needs to grow in value to maintain its utility, it's simple economics.

You cant have 1 billion people using a cryptocurrency with a market cap of $100 billion... That means an average distribution of $100 per person, when it should actually be more like $20,000.

That comparison will Nike doesn't make sense to me, comparing apples to oranges.
Bitcoin will easily reach that ATH again, it maybe won't reach 1 million like some have predicited but it should go much higher than what it is now. 

Hello everybody. What attracts me the most in bitcoin is precisely its huge variation in price. The opportunity to buy it for 3 thousand dollars and sell it for 14 thousand - where else can you find it? I think the comparison with the index here is not entirely correct, yet Bitcoin has a great chance to conquer new price peaks, if only because of the limited number of them. I try to accumulate available funds for the purchase of bitcoin at the level of 2-3 thousand dollars, I am more inclined to the fact that the price will most likely go in that direction than it will conquer 20 thousand again. As for the talk about a million dollars for one bitcoin, I’m 46 years old, I think it is unlikely in my life to meet such a price. Although ... who could imagine once that the price from zero will reach 20 thousand. I try not to worry - you need to live today.

If bitcoin does not get to all time high then wouldn't it mean that it will have stable prices and we will never have to worry about large dumps at the price but we also do not get a large skyrocket that most investors and traders wanted, I hope that day will not come because if not many, some traders will get out of the trading scene. Plus I believe that the future of bitcoin is bright because it is still a young technology and a pioneer at the same time, we can always expect that it will reach all time high, a little faith would not hurt. Remember the time when they did not believe it would be worth $1 then it was worth more than that then they said it will never go up, they never rode the hype train and now they are regretting it.

Definitely, the ATH was just $20K and bitcoin had reach over $10k last 2019 or even higher, so it's not impossible that bitcoin will pump.
Also, we've seen bitcoin pump significantly in just a day, a pump like $20% or 30%, so it's normal for bitcoin to pump and dump as well, an ATH will be achieve if not this year, then we can always expect that to happen every following year.

But even that if it is a great year still did not manage to make a new ATH right?and besides we are short by almost $6k so there is nothing to be compared with specially about the topic of this thread that asking for ATH thing.
actually it took long before the the effect comes here because the Virus is starts spreading last 2019 december yet we only felt the damage last march.
there will never be quickly overcoming because experts are saying the effect willstay for another couple of years so there is changes by then.

No one knows what Bitcoin's price will be in the future. It could hit $50k, $500k, or even $1m in a few years from now. The fact that Bitcoin's block reward will experience a reduction every 4 years, tell us that Bitcoin should be more valuable over time. It's very unlikely Bitcoin will never reach a new ATH, since there's always demand for it on the market. The "pumpers" and whales will always exist in the crypto world. It's no secret that Bitcoin's halving event brings more hype than anything else. People will gain the sentiment of "FOMO", contributing towards a massive increase in Bitcoin price over the long term.

It's important to recognize that Bitcoin is a new type of asset class that's completely different from what we've been accustomed for a long time. Stocks, precious metals, and traditional Fiat can never be compared with Bitcoin directly. It was designed to be independent from the world's monetary system, making it a truly sovereign form of money for the whole wide world to use. Sooner or later, Bitcoin will reach a new ATH. The question is when will this happen? In the uncertain world of crypto, no one knows for sure. As long as you continue to buy Bitcoin, you can contribute towards a price increase on the market. Let's hope that there are more buyers for Bitcoin than sellers to see higher prices in the long term. Just my opinion :)