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Title: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Elwar on April 01, 2020, 10:14:26 PM
They're including people with a common cold in the results. Which are typically 20% positive.

https://i.imgur.com/Cm8pl0s.png

https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065352718300010?via%3Dihub#bb0035


"All of the coronavirus tests being used by public health agencies and private labs around the world start with a technique called polymerase chain reaction, or PCR"
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-testing-diagnostic-covid19-united-states


According to the numbers on this article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html
the rate of infection of those tested is 13.5%

Well below the normal 20% rate that people typically have of coronavirus.

They let those test numbers slip, nowhere else do they ever show the rate of infection. Only the "rising numbers" (as they test more people).

13.5% of people tested have a cold.

And when they die of a head injury, they do a quick PCR test on their blood. If they find the coronavirus. "They died a Coronavirus related death".


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: gmaxwell on April 01, 2020, 10:40:01 PM
This is misinformation, the test they are administering for covid19 is absolutely specific to the RNA of sars-cov-2. So much so, there have even been problems with false negatives from tests in some countries because some have been mistakenly checking parts that have genetic variation in the population.  Some really good engineering is required to avoid making the test too specific.

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"All of the coronavirus tests being used by public health agencies and private labs around the world start with a technique called polymerase chain reaction, or PCR"
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-testing-diagnostic-covid19-united-states

Absolutely true! These rt-pcr tests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_transcription_polymerase_chain_reaction) work by amplifying the RNA (genetic code) in a sample and then searching for template matches with prepared chunks of genetic code specific to the virus being tested for.

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the rate of infection of those tested is 13.5%
The reason this is high is because most of the tests are being used on people with symptoms. Unfortunately, even when you have the sars-cov-2 virus the tests are sometimes negative too, because the sample didn't manage to collect enough virus.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 02, 2020, 03:54:20 AM
im taking gmax's side on this one.

but with a little caveate
some poor countries were using old tests and diagnosing based on symptoms.
heck some hospital staff were even using trash bags as disposible polythene aprons because they were not prepared.
(hard to be prepared for something new)

however this is what the self isolation is all about. not to make people immune now. but to delay the spread. so that countries can prepare to actually test, treat future patients when the isolation rules are relaxed.
yep this is why manufacturers are only just now making ventilators and scrubs and masks and tests. to have stock ready for when they make people mingle.

this is just the beginning. not the end of the event


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: PrimeNumber7 on April 02, 2020, 04:24:18 AM
The published numbers on the number of cases and the number of deaths do not really give a good picture of the seriousness of the coronavirus problem.

The number of published cases is largely a function of the number of tests performed, which is supply limited. Testing is being limited to those with current symptoms, so weekly trends will still hold true somewhat. There is however strong evidence that the Chinese coronavirus is highly contagious, including before you show symptoms. I would go as far as to say that it is unreasonable to dispute that the number of cases is increasing at an exponential rate (with the exponent being above "1"). By some estimates, the number of actual cases is 20x or more than that of the number of cases being reported; this is due to most people display no or mild symptoms, and that not everyone is getting tested.

As a result of my last point above, the death rate is likely to be much lower than the numbers imply. An outsized number of deaths of those with coronavirus also have underlying health conditions, some may have died regardless of contracting coronavirus, and some may have died in the coming months if they had not succumbed to coronavirus. It is unclear how much either of these factors affects the death rate because the granular data is not being reported. The lack of data also makes it difficult to create Machine Learning models to predict who will get seriously ill if they contract coronavirus (you can't do it). There are also elevated numbers of deaths in some towns in Italy that are much higher than historical averages. it is probable many of these deaths were caused by coronavirus indirectly or directly.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 02, 2020, 06:23:09 AM
99% of people are self isolating..
huge majority of people have yet to actually get it.

the 1% that have had it and the even smaller % that have died.. are all small scale compared to the numbers to come once self isolation relaxes when governments think they can be supplied and ready enough for more spread

self isolation is not a cure/immunisation period. its the calm before the storm
think about it
US has >300m.. yet there have not yet been 3m(1%) cases..
out of just ~250k cases =5k deaths..

multiply 250k cases by 12.. then again by 100 and what to expect if full population tested after time without isolation
multiply 5k deaths by 12 then again by 100 of what to expect after time without isolation

and you will come to more of an idea of the extent yet to come once the rest of the country has it.
this is why they are sing this staling/delay period to get tests ready get staff trained, get meds ready, beds ready.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 02, 2020, 06:50:28 AM

Gifted scientist (wanky1 maybe?) proves covid-19 beyond a shadow of a doubt:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAZsqG8a0ZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAZsqG8a0ZY)



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: madnessteat on April 02, 2020, 09:27:51 AM
~snip~

If I am not mistaken that this epidemic has gone down it is necessary that people have developed a collective immunity and for this purpose it is necessary that 60-70% of people became ill with coronavirus and cured.

Self-isolation is the only way not to create an overflow of hospitals. Because if we all get sick at the same time we just do not have enough medical equipment to support life in critical cases.

So follow the guidelines and stay at home.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 02, 2020, 12:43:45 PM
But the point is something else entirely. Here is what it is. Go to LUMINIST ARCHIVES at http://www.luminist.org/archives/. Scroll down and count the number of science fiction books and stories listed.

The point? Is there a way that we can tell whether or not any reports are fiction and which ones? Just because a bunch of people say this or that is true, and because they say it over and over, this doesn't make it true.

In something as severe as Coronavirus seems to be, we need to have a bunch of courtroom courts, with expert witnesses explaining process and showing the proof that they have for their explanations.

So far the CV thing is a panic way more than it is a pandemic.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 02, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
many families are saying about how their relatives died.
many have been suffering from the mild symptoms

many health care workers are saying how there aint enough beds. and not enough equipment

numbers seem low because this is the delay stage not the mass spread stage
when things cool down in months+ then there will be public inquiries and evidence given and that can lead onto legal stuff..

badecker you are the kind of guy that hears that a tree is planted. but before its even been watered your complaining that you have not seen it grow any fruit yet.

your not realising it is still at the early stage.
just wake up

the reason why 'numbers a re low' in regards to only 1m cases world wide but 7 billion..
is because out of 1m cases and ~50k deaths. (5% of under 1%pop(0.05%)) .. this small 0.05% represents alot of people. which there are not enough ICU beds before now to cope if all 7 billion got it in one go.

do the maths. and realise the death numbers and critical need number s will go up.
we are still in the delay stage before the start... not near the finish line
please just think and research and actually learn a few things.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Elwar on April 02, 2020, 02:09:23 PM
I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 02, 2020, 02:18:30 PM
I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?

no its just called using a common word. an easy buzzword.
its like saying 'bike'
without being specific if its a BMX or a Yamaha.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 02, 2020, 02:59:53 PM
I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?

no its just called using a common word. an easy buzzword.
its like saying 'bike'
without being specific if its a BMX or a Yamaha.

Gee, just last week anyone who DIDN'T use the full correct word 'covid-19' in just the right manner was to be totally ignored.  What a difference a day makes...in propaganda-land.

The other label for the viron itself was 'ncov-19' or some such.  That sounded to much like the word used in 'exersise 201'.  You know, the Bill Gates funded 'simulation' about a theoretical coronavirus that happened six weeks before the 'first outbreak' in China (and subsequent to Ft. Detrich weapons labs in Maryland being shut down for releases and a spate of mysterious 'pneumonia clusters'.)  The reason it sounded so similar was that it was the exact word they used for the 'fictional' coronavirus.  So, it was changed to 'SARS-cov-2'.

But of course "Nothing to see here folks; move along."



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 02, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
"corona" is like Bike or car
a n umbrella term thats been around for many decades

however this years varient popped up that no one had the chance to ratify it with a snazzy comfortable buzzword
no one likes alphanumeric stuff.. EG H1N1 they prefer a friendlier name like ebola
so yea people trying to say covid19 or sars cov 2 just isnt pleasing to the mouth

so most people just grabbed onto the umbrella term of corona. because its short.
yea they may decide later to call it something like WUWERS to indicate its orogin of wuhan wetmarket
just like MERS indicates middle east

but for now people just using common words that please thier mouth to say without getting to grammar nazi deflecting the actual context of the rest of the conversation being said


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Elwar on April 02, 2020, 05:20:38 PM
Remember this when they test you.

https://i.imgur.com/mlVo7YG.jpg


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 02, 2020, 06:27:37 PM
Remember this when they test you.

https://i.imgur.com/mlVo7YG.jpg

Thanks, Elwar. Looks kinda uncomfortable. I think I won't go in for any CV testing.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 02, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
Remember this when they test you.

https://i.imgur.com/mlVo7YG.jpg

Thanks, Elwar. Looks kinda uncomfortable. I think I won't go in for any CV testing.


Good choice!  These Dr. Mengele types are so desperate for more victims of their little plandemic and get you hooked on Big Pharma product that this is probably how they make sure they infect you.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 02, 2020, 07:00:16 PM
2 people above dont have to worry.
basement dwellers dont social and touch people to get it.

their way prevent getting it is to stay stay away people

they pretend to hate chemical companies. but then megadose themselves with chemicals
very strange way to live


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: gmaxwell on April 04, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.
For the reasons mentioned above, testing generally for any coronavirus would be pretty useless because there are many coronaviruses that humans commonly get which cause few to no symptoms and aren't any big risk.  I mean, if you're going to scam people might as well just throw the swab out and totally make up a fake result.

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The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?
That's the same as anything else in the news, people call it all sorts of things-- like the telephone game.  The media doesn't mind just telling outright lies when they feel like it,  why would they start now bothering to cover their ass? :P



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 04, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
2 people above dont have to worry.
basement dwellers dont social and touch people to get it.

their way prevent getting it is to stay stay away people

they pretend to hate chemical companies. but then megadose themselves with chemicals
very strange way to live

You know this from personal experience, right?     8)


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 04, 2020, 04:27:47 PM

I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

For the reasons mentioned above, testing generally for any coronavirus would be pretty useless because there are many coronaviruses that humans commonly get which cause few to no symptoms and aren't any big risk.  I mean, if you're going to scam people might as well just throw the swab out and totally make up a fake result.

from: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262588/UK-coronavirus-news-boris-johnson-covid-19-testing-kits-death-infection-rates-latest (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262588/UK-coronavirus-news-boris-johnson-covid-19-testing-kits-death-infection-rates-latest)
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The government has been stung by criticism over its slow response to testing people for the virus and currently lags far behind other countries, such as the US and South Korea. To bridge the gap, Number 10 has ordered thousands of kits from private enterprises, including from a Luxembourg company, Eurofins. On Monday, Eurofins sent an email to government laboratories, warning that a key component known as “probes and primers” had been contaminated with the coronavirus, according to the Daily Telegraph.

Doesn't say whether the coronavirus was SARS-cov-2, or whether it is on the swab they stick up your nose until it practically touches the brainstem or not (which, obviously, may produce some health risks.)  Doubt it would be on the swab, but I also doubt that the contamination contributes to testing accuracy.  In the way I define 'accuracy' at least.

I couldn't help but notice that it doesn't seem like the 'doctor' who circulated the fun little drawing was exactly encouraging people to rush out and get a test.  Just sayin.

As a matter of fact, it seems like every effort in the world is made to NOT understand the background infection rate in the United States, or any other country in the world.  I've bitched about that on other threads.  It bothers me because I'm kind of n science geek and systems analyst, and I have an idea of what kind of data is necessary to make what kinds of scientific and policy inferences.  The denominator in the mortality equation being one such desirable numeric.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Naida_BR on April 05, 2020, 10:53:24 AM
They are also testing for the common cold because COVID-19 starts as an ordinary flu.
In comes on the next level as something more serious where it affects your lungs and causes difficulty in breathing and causing pneumonia.
If you have heavy health historical data you might be affected hard by COVID-19.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 05, 2020, 03:15:26 PM
^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 05, 2020, 05:14:06 PM
^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

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actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..

yes most countries hospitals are/were usng old tests for general corona and not specific tests for just one new strain.. but here is the big thing which for over a month know you are ignoring

the machines and chemicals needed to make tests for something specifically new take time to make.
right now theres only enough for a small amount of testing.

this is another reason to self isolate. to prevent high majority from getting it YET. so they can prepare. and then once they have more hospital beds, more ventilators to treat. and then more easy access to test people at discharge.. then isolation can be lifted in some stages.

self isolation is not the end of the spread/event. its the calm before the storm
please again for the many times i have had to tell you in many topics. just do your research.
the video you keep linking is just opinion of a guy that took a bit of info and is mis-representing it to drum up some attention from certain people of easily duped minds.

try to not just believe what that video says as is. actually take the info. then research it. take it back to source data and understand the source data not the videos interpretation.

just for once put some effort in
..
but i bet you will just reply with an excuse to avoid research and still deny there is a new strain and deny that anyone has ever had it.. like a typical reply you make


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 05, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
Here's a half-way intelligent conversation with yet another scientist who makes the point that I've been trying to make.  Anyone (including Fauci) who says anything substantive about so-called 'covid-19' is pulling your leg because pretty much the most basic number is almost completely missing.  That would be the denominator in the mortality equation: deaths/infections=mortality.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0)

We can go back and forth on whether a person with stage four heavily metastasized cancer who had a maybe a trace of SARS-cov-2 rna in his body was a 'covid-19 fatality' or not, but it's pretty unimportant at the kinds of ratios we're probably looking at once we get the overall infection rate.

That a usable infection rate number remain AWOL in the beginning of the 2nd quarter speaks volumes about what is really going on here.  At least it does to me.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 05, 2020, 05:38:17 PM
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0)

oh so much fail in just the first few minutes
in the first 2 minutes he talks about 'the test' where he thinks that when peopel are tested it only tests if they actively have it.. and if not its negative...
totally ignoring the other tests that are done..

also he then says that the case fatality rate.. he said it does not include those who got infected and recovered..

if that were true the fatality rate would be 100%.. why.. because only dead people never recover

common sense stuff
this guy seems to be exagerating and misrepresenting alot..

the truth is only those that are sick enough to need hospital are tested.
and from those in the severe need hospital criteria. some do survive. and the fatality rate is not 100% which he pretends it is by his interpretation of how the calculation is calculated.

seriously.. when will people actually start looking at the research and not some professor who is not himself an ICU consultant on actual hospital wards actually servicing patients


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screw it leets carry on..
at just 3:45 the next misunderstanding occured.
the video saus from first seen on january 1st. to march 9th. if the math is done 6m would need to be infected.
on march 23th 499 deaths =0.01% fatality rate..

here is the mislead
1. 6mill were not tested 6mill dont have it.. why
becaise self isolation
less people have it. yes self isolation does not cause infection. it does not cause immunisation. it causes delay in getting it.
the 6m number is a fake number
what the video done was take a number of ~500 deaths. and then multiply it by more then 10000. add a bit more. and then say that 6mill is a significant number from somewhere..
that number is not based on any real stat. but done by fools making up numbers. to make the death rate seem small
..
here ill give you an example
i have 2 eyes.. if i multiply it by 3 .. i can say in a 3 headed man there should only be 2 eyes and thats what the number indicate.
see making things up by jumbling numbers.. a 3 headed person (6mill had it) is a made up thing


i really do find it stupid when people cant even use common sense or crunch number properly or even do some research
..
ICU doctors and the CDC have more info than that youtubers personal friend ..
.. ok not even at 5 minutes but ill cntinue

so 4:45 he says that the expectant is between one end 50k100k deaths vs other end 2-4mill..
well
ill just quote this

Medical-Surgical Intensive Care 4 Beds in Community Hospitals 55,663
Cardiac Intensive Care 5 Beds in Community Hospitals 15,160
Neonatal Intensive Care 6 Beds in Community Hospitals 22,721
Pediatric Intensive Care 7 Beds in Community Hospitals 5,115
Burn Care 8 Beds in Community Hospitals 1,198
Other Intensive Care 9 Beds in Community Hospitals 7,419

thats like ~100k beds that could be utilitised but would involve some adaptation and moving around to make isolated from other wards.. aswell as kicking out the current patients using them..

so even at that guys low end of 50k-100k.. there just aint enough to think of this pandemic as just a usual thing to expereince in life..
things needed to change, shift wards around train staff, get extra supplies, more ventilators etc.
so the self isolation was done.. to DELAY  the spread.. emphasis DELAY not cure

.. one last thing
if lets say january 1st was the 'seed' date.. and r0 was 2.6peopel in a normal 7 day contageous period
by march 23 would be something like 36k infected.. not 6m

for there to even be a number of 6m in third week of march. would require 150 people already infected actually in USA on january 1st
sorry but that 6m number has absolute no meaning. no math. no actual realistic bases.

have a nice day
3 debunks in just the first 5 minutes of the video..


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 05, 2020, 07:44:52 PM
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0)

oh so much fail in just the first few minutes
in the first 2 minutes he talks about 'the test' where he thinks that when peopel are tested it only tests if they actively have it.. and if not its negative...
totally ignoring the other tests that are done..

also he then says that the case fatality rate.. he said it does not include those who got infected and recovered..

if that were true the fatality rate would be 100%.. why.. because only dead people never recover

common sense stuff
this guy seems to be exagerating and misrepresenting alot..

the truth is only those that are sick enough to need hospital are tested.
and from those in the severe need hospital criteria. some do survive. and the fatality rate is not 100% which he pretends it is by his interpretation of how the calculation is calculated.

seriously.. when will people actually start looking at the research and not some professor who is not himself an ICU consultant on actual hospital wards actually servicing patients


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screw it leets carry on..
at just 3:45 the next misunderstanding occured.
the video saus from first seen on january 1st. to march 9th. if the math is done 6m would need to be infected.
on march 23th 499 deaths =0.01% fatality rate..

here is the mislead
1. 6mill were not tested 6mill dont have it.. why
becaise self isolation
less people have it. yes self isolation does not cause infection. it does not cause immunisation. it causes delay in getting it.
the 6m number is a fake number
what the video done was take a number of ~500 deaths. and then multiply it by more then 10000. add a bit more. and then say that 6mill is a significant number from somewhere..
that number is not based on any real stat. but done by fools making up numbers. to make the death rate seem small
..
here ill give you an example
i have 2 eyes.. if i multiply it by 3 .. i can say in a 3 headed man there should only be 2 eyes and thats what the number indicate.
see making things up by jumbling numbers.. a 3 headed person (6mill had it) is a made up thing


i really do find it stupid when people cant even use common sense or crunch number properly or even do some research
..
ICU doctors and the CDC have more info than that youtubers personal friend ..
.. ok not even at 5 minutes but ill cntinue

so 4:45 he says that the expectant is between one end 50k100k deaths vs other end 2-4mill..
well
ill just quote this

Medical-Surgical Intensive Care 4 Beds in Community Hospitals 55,663
Cardiac Intensive Care 5 Beds in Community Hospitals 15,160
Neonatal Intensive Care 6 Beds in Community Hospitals 22,721
Pediatric Intensive Care 7 Beds in Community Hospitals 5,115
Burn Care 8 Beds in Community Hospitals 1,198
Other Intensive Care 9 Beds in Community Hospitals 7,419

thats like ~100k beds that could be utilitised but would involve some adaptation and moving around to make isolated from other wards.. aswell as kicking out the current patients using them..

so even at that guys low end of 50k-100k.. there just aint enough to think of this pandemic as just a usual thing to expereince in life..
things needed to change, shift wards around train staff, get extra supplies, more ventilators etc.
so the self isolation was done.. to DELAY  the spread.. emphasis DELAY not cure

.. one last thing
if lets say january 1st was the 'seed' date.. and r0 was 2.6peopel in a normal 7 day contageous period
by march 23 would be something like 36k infected.. not 6m

for there to even be a number of 6m in third week of march. would require 150 people already infected actually in USA on january 1st
sorry but that 6m number has absolute no meaning. no math. no actual realistic bases.

have a nice day
3 debunks in just the first 5 minutes of the video..

Your reasoning is backwards. For example, of the tested people that were deemed positive, the recovered ones aren't included in the numbers of those tested. So who can give accurate numbers of infected that way?

But, there isn't any way anybody is testing for the full virus in anybody. Why aren't they? Because it would take too long. So they are testing for pieces of the virus, and assuming that it is Covid-19. But those same pieces are found in all kinds of other strains of Coronavirus... and if they aren't careful, in all kinds of influenza besides Coronavirus. This means that they don't know if the tested person has Covid-19 or something else.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 05, 2020, 07:47:10 PM
^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

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actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..


Exactly the thing that I am talking about. You above most people should know how to research and find one or two links to prove what you say. The fact that you don't have any links - which wouldn't be proof anyway - shows that you dopn't know what you are talking about, even if it happened to sound good.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 05, 2020, 08:02:45 PM
Your reasoning is backwards. For example, of the tested people that were deemed positive, the recovered ones aren't included in the numbers of those tested. So who can give accurate numbers of infected that way?

But, there isn't any way anybody is testing for the full virus in anybody. Why aren't they? Because it would take too long. So they are testing for pieces of the virus, and assuming that it is Covid-19. But those same pieces are found in all kinds of other strains of Coronavirus... and if they aren't careful, in all kinds of influenza besides Coronavirus. This means that they don't know if the tested person has Covid-19 or something else.

you have it quadruple backward. basically ur just spinning in circles now

so when someone is sick and they are tested. are you saying they are excluded because they recovered??
that again means the only ones sowing as covid positive are dead

or

they didnt test the non symptomatic.. after all take food poisoning example. if someone is poisoned in mcdconalds.. but 99% of people havnt ate at mcdonalds.. there is no point even testing the 99%
in china forinstance. those that got sick they tested AND those who they were near.
this made them quite accurate of knowing the whole asymptomatic:symptomatic ratio
similar things were done on some cruise ships they isolated

so actual doctors and scientists that are actually first hand involved know alot more then some youtubers personal family doctor who he goes to when he has a wart or needs normal family health advice

..
badecker.. atleast try to do some maths and actual research
you seem to be an asskisser that would make crap up to defend the rep of some youtube guy your fangirling over at the moment. rather than thinking about the content that is being said within the video

so how about go research the content. and stop promoting the guy


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 05, 2020, 08:05:35 PM
^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU
actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..
Exactly the thing that I am talking about. You above most people should know how to research and find one or two links to prove what you say. The fact that you don't have any links - which wouldn't be proof anyway - shows that you dopn't know what you are talking about, even if it happened to sound good.

porton down
google it, go try surprising yourself with a challenge to actually go research

edit: to respond to below
you have no clue what here say is.. but if you wanna play that game your links are hearsay too.. so stop posting them

by the way. its why i am asking you to research it yourself so you have more direct contact with finding the info. because if i spoon fed it to you like you wish. youd just play the ignorant hearsay card even louder

but atleast i now know your stupid excuse for being so dumb and refuse to even try learning things
ill give you a couple days before you start to get mixed up between the lack of legal knowledge and lack of religious knowledge and start shouting heresy instead


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 05, 2020, 08:13:53 PM
^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU
actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..
Exactly the thing that I am talking about. You above most people should know how to research and find one or two links to prove what you say. The fact that you don't have any links - which wouldn't be proof anyway - shows that you dopn't know what you are talking about, even if it happened to sound good.

porton down
google it, go try surprising yourself with a challenge to actually go research

Hearsay.     8)


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 06, 2020, 04:58:52 AM

The methods by which the (fairly paltry) numbers for covid-19 mortality are coming into focus already, but here is a pretty good condensation and also somewhat fun to watch:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo)



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 07:59:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo)

please actually study links you want to provide.. this is becoming rediculous

it seems your on a mission to thing that isolation has not reduced deaths
it seems your on a mission to want people to just leave their home and get it..

heres a thing.. if there was no isolation the numbers would be far far higher then 'seasonal flu'
its as if your saying well there are X car crashes a year, so yea dont worry about wearing a seatbelt, go ahead go as fast as you like, speed through that red light, oh look theres a tree, aim for it

no one likes to be forced to stay home.. and guess what. governments tried it the friendly way of no force just a plea to peoples sanity..
but when dumb people think they can be rebellious and ruin any good efforts to curb it and stop it going widespread so quick. then yea expect repercussions where they have to step it up

here is the very simple thing.
if people did stay home, there would be no need for the 'oh now they are implementing ankle bracelets' propaganda
by you trying to make it into a nothingburger and try to indocrinate people into your conspiracy cults to just rebell and do the opposide to sane advice.. you are provoking authorities to have to step it up
you are the self fulfilling prophecy.
your not a prophet. you are an idiot thats causing his own limitation of rights


heres another way to think about it
imagine a gun policy
'dont buy a gun unless you really need it'
fools promote that everyone should go out and buy 10 guns each and walk around the streets aiming it at random people
ofcourse the government will then step it up and enforce some rules on who and how people should be armed and limit who should be armed.
however if someone who truly feels they need to defend themselves brought a suitable gun for defense, and was responsible with it.. then no further action would be required

..
but it seems you want to deny first there are any deaths due to corona..
then when you admit there are deaths.. you deny their importance..

it seems to me you would finally get your climax moment if you could convince people to go out and lick random people on the face and lick doorknobs
you dont actually care about people dying
you conspiracy lot seem like you would be happy if people started speeding in their cars without a seatbelt

and that just makes you lot look worse than just idiots, but also have a lack of compassion for other people


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 01:41:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo)

please actually study links you want to provide.. this is becoming rediculous - Don't have to study. The info is right out in the open. No study necessary.

it seems your on a mission to thing that isolation has not reduced deaths - Seems you are on a mission to lie about the fact that it hasn't.
it seems your on a mission to want people to just leave their home and get it.. - Seems you are on a mission to destroy the economy for no reason.

heres a thing.. if there was no isolation the numbers would be far far higher then 'seasonal flu' - Numbers are less than 2017.
its as if your saying well there are X car crashes a year, so yea dont worry about wearing a seatbelt, go ahead go as fast as you like, speed through that red light, oh look theres a tree, aim for it - But you are the one saying this. So it doesn't matter what any opinion of someone else is.

no one likes to be forced to stay home.. and guess what. governments tried it the friendly way of no force just a plea to peoples sanity.. - People know better than government. Why? Self-governing.
but when dumb people think they can be rebellious and ruin any good efforts to curb it and stop it going widespread so quick. then yea expect repercussions where they have to step it up - That's part of the reason why your talk is so ridiculous.

here is the very simple thing.
if people did stay home, there would be no need for the 'oh now they are implementing ankle bracelets' propaganda
by you trying to make it into a nothingburger and try to indocrinate people into your conspiracy cults to just rebell and do the opposide to sane advice.. you are provoking authorities to have to step it up - If people stayed home, there wouldn't be any freedom. So, looks like you are propagating slavery.
you are the self fulfilling prophecy.
your not a prophet. you are an idiot thats causing his own limitation of rights - And you are simply a blabber. Who pays you to troll like this? Or is it that WHO pays you? They aren't getting their money's worth.


heres another way to think about it
imagine a gun policy
'dont buy a gun unless you really need it' - Good policy for those within the corporation that has that policy. Prove that anybody is within such a corporation.
fools promote that everyone should go out and buy 10 guns each and walk around the streets aiming it at random people - Fools promote that people should be restrained from doing what they want, freely. How much toilet paper? Let supply and demand control. And let the price go up so that the control is automatic.
ofcourse the government will then step it up and enforce some rules on who and how people should be armed and limit who should be armed. - Government is people. Let them maintain the policies they set, and let people who are not part of government be free to be their OWN government... self-governing.
however if someone who truly feels they need to defend themselves brought a suitable gun for defense, and was responsible with it.. then no further action would be required - Government is acting against people. People absolutely need guns to remain free from government control.

..
but it seems you want to deny first there are any deaths due to corona.. - There is no proof for CV deaths in any kind of a large scale.
then when you admit there are deaths.. you deny their importance.. - There is no proof for CV deaths in any kind of a large scale.

it seems to me you would finally get your climax moment if you could convince people to go out and lick random people on the face and lick doorknobs - Seems that you are attempting to bypass the CV issue by focusing on the opinions of others.
you dont actually care about people dying - You don't actually care that people remain free.
you conspiracy lot seem like you would be happy if people started speeding in their cars without a seatbelt - Seems like you are picking on sombody rather than focusing on the points of the fake pandemic.

and that just makes you lot look worse than just idiots, but also have a lack of compassion for other people

You don't look worse. You simply look like you really are. A troll who would rather troll people than find proof for or against the CV fake pandemic.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 06, 2020, 01:53:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo)

please actually study links you want to provide.. this is becoming rediculous - Don't have to study. The info is right out in the open. No study necessary.
...

You don't look worse. You simply look like you really are. A troll who would rather troll people than find proof for or against the CV fake pandemic.


I think it (~wanky1) is some sort of an AI babble-bot, but heavy on the A and light on the I.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
It isn't the same thing, to die "with" coronavirus" as it is to die "from" coronavirus.

Go to the article for links and grammar usage.


Corona-copia (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/280284-2020-04-06-corona-copia.htm)



In classical antiquity, the cornucopia, also called the horn of plenty, was a symbol of abundance and nourishment, commonly a large horn-shaped container overflowing with produce, flowers or nuts.

This one will be filled solely with nuts.

The Age of Science and Reason?

For a society – even a world – that swears by science, reason, testing, facts, etc. – anything but "faith" or "revelation," it really is pathetic to watch the hysteria that comes with irrationality.  It would be hilarious if it wasn't for the devastating consequences for the countless millions who are losing their jobs and businesses.

The War on Death

Our masters have successfully (so far) been winning the battles in the war on death of favored companies; they have failed to convince us to take meaningful action in the war on the death of the planet – climate change was way too distant in the future to drum up emotional hysteria in the population.

So, what do they come up with?  They made it very personal: the immediacy of a war on death…of death.  No one is allowed to die, even if it kills you.

An Essential Worker

Every time I hear this phrase, I think of this.  I feel very saddened for those whose work is deemed non-essential.

Living in a Material World

When all you have is the material world of atoms randomly smashing together, what else do you have to live for but a war on death?

Prepositional Obfuscation

It isn't the same thing, to die "with" coronavirus" as it is to die "from" coronavirus.


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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
but when someone dies with ARDS(acute respiratory distress) where even if its a patient with asthma. the signals signs and tests show its not an asthma attack. and then testing that its corona.. and then running other tests and ct scans further rules out asthma attack. mening offering asthma inhaler medication is bad, wrong and not reccommended.

 aswell as looking at other symptoms.. makes doctors. yep reallife ICU doctors who are trained.. yep not magic men. but doctors tell the difference.. and be abble to assess what actual medical interventions and meds should be used.


if that patient dies later due to ards where its ruled out an asthma attack.. then although its marked as underlying asthma.. the doctor knows it was ards that caused it due to corona.. so its reported as a corona death

.
but in your world im guessing you think a unicorn comes into hospital and poops out coloured pellets and depending on how many are red is how many to classify as corona..

yes your getting that ridiculous that im starting to imagine you as guy stuck in childish fantasy

i really dont think you know how hospitals function


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Jet Cash on April 06, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
Too many massive quote blocks and text walls for me to read this thread. Maybe somebody could post a brief conclusion.

One thing I would like to point out is that most of the official reports state death counts as those dying with the Corona virus, and not from the virus. I'm still of the belief that the virus doesn't actually kill anybody, but it does affect the immune system, and therefore people with underlying health issues are not able to recover from them. One way that I can be wrong in this, is the case of smokers. Smoking increases the number of ACE-2 receptors, and this may enable the virus to stimulate so many anti-bodies, that the infected person drowns if they are not removed artificially.   


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Elwar on April 06, 2020, 02:45:30 PM
The best way to figure out if it was true or not would be to find the amount of people with respiratory problems in 2020 who were diagnosed with coronavirus (the common cold).

If that number suddenly dropped to near zero since they started testing for COVID-19, then you have your answer. They are showing positive anyone who has any coronavirus, not just COVID-19.

I have not been able to track down that number for 2020 though, only the past data showing 20% of people with respiratory problems testing positive.

While at the same time, 13.5% of Americans with respiratory problems tested positive for COVID-19.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 02:49:54 PM
but when someone dies with ARDS(acute respiratory distress) where even if its a patient with asthma. the signals signs and tests show its not an asthma attack. and then testing that its corona.. and then running other tests and ct scans further rules out asthma attack. mening offering asthma inhaler medication is bad, wrong and not reccommended.


Your whole point dies right here. Nobody knows for sure if CV is present. Why not? Because they test on "chunks" of any virus found in the person's system... not on the whole virus.

These same "chunks" appear in many viruses. So, how do they know that any of them are Coronavirus, since they haven't tested for the whole Coronavirus? Yet they say it's CV.

They are assuming, or downright lying.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:51:38 PM
Too many massive quote blocks and text walls for me to read this thread. Maybe somebody could post a brief conclusion.

One thing I would like to point out is that most of the official reports state death counts as those dying with the Corona virus, and not from the virus. I'm still of the belief that the virus doesn't actually kill anybody, but it does affect the immune system, and therefore people with underlying health issues are not able to recover from them. One way that I can be wrong in this, is the case of smokers. Smoking increases the number of ACE-2 receptors, and this may enable the virus to stimulate so many anti-bodies, that the infected person drowns if they are not removed artificially.   

people dont die from corona due to cells bursting and causing blood loss.. they die much earlier from the suffocation.. which is due to KNOWN symptomology of being triggered by corona.
yes ARDS is the bodies immuno response. not the virus.. but they know that ARDS is triggered by corona as appose to say an anaphylactic shock which is another immuno response to an allergen like peanuts..

now as for your concern about the reporting.
doctors know if someone tested with corona develops respiratory issues and they have through tests ruled it out from being just a coincidental asthma attack (yea doctors are smart they can tel the difference)
so even if someone has underlying asthma.. they can spot the difference
if that patient does die due to ARDS knowing its corona triggered. they report it as such...

and because your in england and maybe want to know real facts about english numbers
ill post this quote to save repeating from another topic
(primer: ons: office national statistics.. DHSC: department health socalcare)
i told you this days ago.. but you have rejected finding the answer for yourself

what doctors diagnose and actually know and report goes to one department which then becomes the public release
lets call this A

the death certificate is created upto 5 days later and goees to another department
let call this B

what you seem to be obsessed with is thinking B is the public release stat.. its not
B is the department that takes ant ICD-10 of corona and puts it into their database for other reasons

if you charted it out

        _______ B
|___/
|     _________ A
|__/
|______________

this A is the list of those that die due to corona specific health symptoms and tested with corona
B is a list of any death cause. where corona tested positive


again for example of the UK
the ONS department is B.. media and worldometer and gov.uk do not report B(ons)
the DHSC department is A.. media and worldometer and gov.uk DO report A(DHSC)

you were told this days ago and had days to check it out

DHSC get data direct from doctors the day of death via the patients charts
ONS get it from death certificate deays later, which ONS then decides to group any death cause


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:54:25 PM
Your whole point dies right here. Nobody knows for sure if CV is present. Why not? Because they test on "chunks" of any virus found in the person's system... not on the whole virus.

These same "chunks" appear in many viruses. So, how do they know that any of them are Coronavirus, since they haven't tested for the whole Coronavirus? Yet they say it's CV.

They are assuming, or downright lying.

shows how little you know
i bet you think your a banana if they only tested 40%. and ud believe it.
you dont realise that its a combination method of not just one test. but multiple tests, scans and symptom diagnostics.

but you can paint your skin as yellow as you like and show a test that looks like it says your a banana.. but everyone will still diagnose you as an idiot


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
Your whole point dies right here. Nobody knows for sure if CV is present. Why not? Because they test on "chunks" of any virus found in the person's system... not on the whole virus.

These same "chunks" appear in many viruses. So, how do they know that any of them are Coronavirus, since they haven't tested for the whole Coronavirus? Yet they say it's CV.

They are assuming, or downright lying.

shows how little you know
i bet you think your a banana if they only tested 40%. and ud believe it.
you dont realise that its a combination method of not just one test. but multiple tests, scans and symptom diagnostics.

but you can paint your skin as yellow as you like and show a test that looks like it says your a banana.. but everyone will still diagnose you as an idiot

Shows how little you know about the way Coronavirus testing is done at this stage.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 03:24:57 PM
Shows how little you know about the way Coronavirus testing is done at this stage.

your conspiracy is based on conspiracy scripts from january. theres been new tests since then

UK NHS patients are getting tested with these. thats the whole point of the delay by self isolating and why only having enough for patients and not enough for full population

go research and update yourself a bit


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 06:14:01 PM
Shows how little you know about the way Coronavirus testing is done at this stage.

your conspiracy is based on conspiracy scripts from january. theres been new tests since then

UK NHS patients are getting tested with these. thats the whole point of the delay by self isolating and why only having enough for patients and not enough for full population

go research and update yourself a bit

Even if my points are based on their conspiracy, the update is that an accurate test takes a long time and is expensive. That's why they are still using the old methods.

But that's only a little of it. Where did they get the methods? From the creator of CV. Who is the creator? Scientists in North Carolina... especially a DR. Shi Zhengli, at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

Why would they do this? Their excuse is to find out how to protect against a real problem like CV. Of course, it would never be used on people, right?

Regarding this post, these creators are the people who are handing down the ways to test for it. The average doctor has no clue how to do this on his own. It would take years for him to research a way to do this. But testing methods were known years ago.

More details here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjaQJTBTGU.

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 06:34:14 PM
The best way to figure out if it was true or not would be to find the amount of people with respiratory problems in 2020 who were diagnosed with coronavirus (the common cold).

If that number suddenly dropped to near zero since they started testing for COVID-19, then you have your answer. They are showing positive anyone who has any coronavirus, not just COVID-19.

I have not been able to track down that number for 2020 though, only the past data showing 20% of people with respiratory problems testing positive.

While at the same time, 13.5% of Americans with respiratory problems tested positive for COVID-19.

people with the common cold do not end up needing to be sedated and put onto ventilators like those with covid do

doctors know the difference between the common cold and covid. they actually do have separate symptomology and different pathogens and many other things.
but im guessing you believe no one is an expert unless they are investing into a seastead


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Mad7Scientist on April 13, 2020, 04:56:51 PM
This is a very important topic for discussion. If it is true that the tests test positive for many different viruses, maybe that is why the government delayed allowing companies to produce the tests for a month.

I'm still looking in to it, but if the RT-PCR tests grow more DNA/RNA, doesn't that RNA still have to be analyzed to determine what kind of virus it is?


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 13, 2020, 05:07:28 PM
This is a very important topic for discussion. If it is true that the tests test positive for many different viruses, maybe that is why the government delayed allowing companies to produce the tests for a month.

I'm still looking in to it, but if the RT-PCR tests grow more DNA/RNA, doesn't that RNA still have to be analyzed to determine what kind of virus it is?

One would take it for granted that the RT-PCR tests were primered with sequences which were unique to SARS-cov-2.  I sure did.  Now I am reading from some doctors that all they detect is general coronavirus.  And even that is hit-n-miss...since, again, they are pushing the cycles way up to the no-go zone where nothing is very accurate.

Two things have struck me about this whole thing:

 - One is that some countries (esp, the U.S.) seemed to consistently do everything right...if the goal WAS to achieve a high infection rate, and

 - The testing methods have been a comedy of 'errors' (which look a lot more like sabotage frankly) from day one and remain so here well into the 2nd quarter.  This allowed what may well be literally nothing at all of any actual threat to become blown up in the mainstream media and world governments as the biggest plague in known history.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: franky1 on April 13, 2020, 05:28:59 PM
This is a very important topic for discussion. If it is true that the tests test positive for many different viruses, maybe that is why the government delayed allowing companies to produce the tests for a month.

I'm still looking in to it, but if the RT-PCR tests grow more DNA/RNA, doesn't that RNA still have to be analyzed to determine what kind of virus it is?

One would take it for granted that the RT-PCR tests were primered with sequences which were unique to SARS-cov-2.  I sure did.  Now I am reading from some doctors that all they detect is general coronavirus.  And even that is hit-n-miss...since, again, they are pushing the cycles way up to the no-go zone where nothing is very accurate.

even as far back as christmas. lab techs were actually doing proper analysis and actually verified that it was not just 'normal' / general corona virus

some labs have tried to ramp up speeds of testing more people faster. but this has taken time. yes mistakes were made. but they didnt just carry on using machines that made mistakes..
its why for instance in the UK once they found a nice accurate level. they then made many machines to multiply how many tests they can sample at once.

think about computing analogy CPU. once they get to the limit of speed per core then then multiply the cores. and then make servers of multiple boards . a super computer is not a single core processor being ran at super speed.

these 'mega labs' dont just have one machine running super fast..

..
in some developing countries. they did use outdated tech. but that was more because of a 'better than nothing' atleast they would know it was a virus and not bacterial/panic attac/asthma
however as the days/weeks pass it is show that even those developing countries are getting access to the accurate machines

also hopsitals keep samples of the patients even after release/decease so if there are any inconsistancies they can retest.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 13, 2020, 10:54:39 PM
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Jesus wanky1!  Children should be seen and not heard.  You obviously have no fucking clue what the adults are talking about here.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Spendulus on April 14, 2020, 12:59:45 AM
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Jesus wanky1!  Children should be seen and not heard.  You obviously have no fucking clue what the adults are talking about here.


That's certainly an interesting observation, Jesus Wanky2!


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: tvbcof on April 14, 2020, 01:51:11 AM
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Jesus wanky1!  Children should be seen and not heard.  You obviously have no fucking clue what the adults are talking about here.

That's certainly an interesting observation, Jesus Wanky2!

You two should go play a game of tiddlywinks for lunch money.  I'd bet on you in that particular contest.



Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on April 14, 2020, 01:56:16 AM
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Jesus wanky1!  Children should be seen and not heard.  You obviously have no fucking clue what the adults are talking about here.

That's certainly an interesting observation, Jesus Wanky2!

You two should go play a game of tiddlywinks for lunch money.  I'd bet on you in that particular contest.



They could always test each other for Covid-19.     8)


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: Smartvirus on July 31, 2020, 11:30:25 PM

There are much to know as per the statistics, strains and chains of the Covid19 situation.


Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on August 01, 2020, 12:09:45 AM
Simone lost her job for this introduction. And the video was kicked off Youtube. Watch it here https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

https://altcensored.com/

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Title: Re: Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.
Post by: BADecker on August 01, 2020, 11:14:05 AM
Your whole point dies right here. Nobody knows for sure if CV is present. Why not? Because they test on "chunks" of any virus found in the person's system... not on the whole virus.

These same "chunks" appear in many viruses. So, how do they know that any of them are Coronavirus, since they haven't tested for the whole Coronavirus? Yet they say it's CV.

They are assuming, or downright lying.

shows how little you know
i bet you think your a banana if they only tested 40%. and ud believe it.
you dont realise that its a combination method of not just one test. but multiple tests, scans and symptom diagnostics.

but you can paint your skin as yellow as you like and show a test that looks like it says your a banana.. but everyone will still diagnose you as an idiot

Btw, I bet you think you're a monkey because 97% of your DNA is the same as a monkey's. ;D

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