Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.

[Naida_BR]

They are also testing for the common cold because COVID-19 starts as an ordinary flu.
In comes on the next level as something more serious where it affects your lungs and causes difficulty in breathing and causing pneumonia.
If you have heavy health historical data you might be affected hard by COVID-19.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

[franky1]

^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..

yes most countries hospitals are/were usng old tests for general corona and not specific tests for just one new strain.. but here is the big thing which for over a month know you are ignoring

the machines and chemicals needed to make tests for something specifically new take time to make.
right now theres only enough for a small amount of testing.

this is another reason to self isolate. to prevent high majority from getting it YET. so they can prepare. and then once they have more hospital beds, more ventilators to treat. and then more easy access to test people at discharge.. then isolation can be lifted in some stages.

self isolation is not the end of the spread/event. its the calm before the storm
please again for the many times i have had to tell you in many topics. just do your research.
the video you keep linking is just opinion of a guy that took a bit of info and is mis-representing it to drum up some attention from certain people of easily duped minds.

try to not just believe what that video says as is. actually take the info. then research it. take it back to source data and understand the source data not the videos interpretation.

just for once put some effort in
..
but i bet you will just reply with an excuse to avoid research and still deny there is a new strain and deny that anyone has ever had it.. like a typical reply you make

[tvbcof]

Here's a half-way intelligent conversation with yet another scientist who makes the point that I've been trying to make.  Anyone (including Fauci) who says anything substantive about so-called 'covid-19' is pulling your leg because pretty much the most basic number is almost completely missing.  That would be the denominator in the mortality equation: deaths/infections=mortality.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

We can go back and forth on whether a person with stage four heavily metastasized cancer who had a maybe a trace of SARS-cov-2 rna in his body was a 'covid-19 fatality' or not, but it's pretty unimportant at the kinds of ratios we're probably looking at once we get the overall infection rate.

That a usable infection rate number remain AWOL in the beginning of the 2nd quarter speaks volumes about what is really going on here.  At least it does to me.

[franky1]

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

oh so much fail in just the first few minutes
in the first 2 minutes he talks about 'the test' where he thinks that when peopel are tested it only tests if they actively have it.. and if not its negative...
totally ignoring the other tests that are done..

also he then says that the case fatality rate.. he said it does not include those who got infected and recovered..

if that were true the fatality rate would be 100%.. why.. because only dead people never recover

common sense stuff
this guy seems to be exagerating and misrepresenting alot..

the truth is only those that are sick enough to need hospital are tested.
and from those in the severe need hospital criteria. some do survive. and the fatality rate is not 100% which he pretends it is by his interpretation of how the calculation is calculated.

seriously.. when will people actually start looking at the research and not some professor who is not himself an ICU consultant on actual hospital wards actually servicing patients


.
screw it leets carry on..
at just 3:45 the next misunderstanding occured.
the video saus from first seen on january 1st. to march 9th. if the math is done 6m would need to be infected.
on march 23th 499 deaths =0.01% fatality rate..

here is the mislead
1. 6mill were not tested 6mill dont have it.. why
becaise self isolation
less people have it. yes self isolation does not cause infection. it does not cause immunisation. it causes delay in getting it.
the 6m number is a fake number
what the video done was take a number of ~500 deaths. and then multiply it by more then 10000. add a bit more. and then say that 6mill is a significant number from somewhere..
that number is not based on any real stat. but done by fools making up numbers. to make the death rate seem small
..
here ill give you an example
i have 2 eyes.. if i multiply it by 3 .. i can say in a 3 headed man there should only be 2 eyes and thats what the number indicate.
see making things up by jumbling numbers.. a 3 headed person (6mill had it) is a made up thing


i really do find it stupid when people cant even use common sense or crunch number properly or even do some research
..
ICU doctors and the CDC have more info than that youtubers personal friend ..
.. ok not even at 5 minutes but ill cntinue

so 4:45 he says that the expectant is between one end 50k100k deaths vs other end 2-4mill..
well
ill just quote this

Medical-Surgical Intensive Care 4 Beds in Community Hospitals 55,663
Cardiac Intensive Care 5 Beds in Community Hospitals 15,160
Neonatal Intensive Care 6 Beds in Community Hospitals 22,721
Pediatric Intensive Care 7 Beds in Community Hospitals 5,115
Burn Care 8 Beds in Community Hospitals 1,198
Other Intensive Care 9 Beds in Community Hospitals 7,419

thats like ~100k beds that could be utilitised but would involve some adaptation and moving around to make isolated from other wards.. aswell as kicking out the current patients using them..

so even at that guys low end of 50k-100k.. there just aint enough to think of this pandemic as just a usual thing to expereince in life..
things needed to change, shift wards around train staff, get extra supplies, more ventilators etc.
so the self isolation was done.. to DELAY  the spread.. emphasis DELAY not cure

.. one last thing
if lets say january 1st was the 'seed' date.. and r0 was 2.6peopel in a normal 7 day contageous period
by march 23 would be something like 36k infected.. not 6m

for there to even be a number of 6m in third week of march. would require 150 people already infected actually in USA on january 1st
sorry but that 6m number has absolute no meaning. no math. no actual realistic bases.

have a nice day
3 debunks in just the first 5 minutes of the video..

[BADecker]

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

oh so much fail in just the first few minutes
in the first 2 minutes he talks about 'the test' where he thinks that when peopel are tested it only tests if they actively have it.. and if not its negative...
totally ignoring the other tests that are done..

also he then says that the case fatality rate.. he said it does not include those who got infected and recovered..

if that were true the fatality rate would be 100%.. why.. because only dead people never recover

common sense stuff
this guy seems to be exagerating and misrepresenting alot..

the truth is only those that are sick enough to need hospital are tested.
and from those in the severe need hospital criteria. some do survive. and the fatality rate is not 100% which he pretends it is by his interpretation of how the calculation is calculated.

seriously.. when will people actually start looking at the research and not some professor who is not himself an ICU consultant on actual hospital wards actually servicing patients


.
screw it leets carry on..
at just 3:45 the next misunderstanding occured.
the video saus from first seen on january 1st. to march 9th. if the math is done 6m would need to be infected.
on march 23th 499 deaths =0.01% fatality rate..

here is the mislead
1. 6mill were not tested 6mill dont have it.. why
becaise self isolation
less people have it. yes self isolation does not cause infection. it does not cause immunisation. it causes delay in getting it.
the 6m number is a fake number
what the video done was take a number of ~500 deaths. and then multiply it by more then 10000. add a bit more. and then say that 6mill is a significant number from somewhere..
that number is not based on any real stat. but done by fools making up numbers. to make the death rate seem small
..
here ill give you an example
i have 2 eyes.. if i multiply it by 3 .. i can say in a 3 headed man there should only be 2 eyes and thats what the number indicate.
see making things up by jumbling numbers.. a 3 headed person (6mill had it) is a made up thing


i really do find it stupid when people cant even use common sense or crunch number properly or even do some research
..
ICU doctors and the CDC have more info than that youtubers personal friend ..
.. ok not even at 5 minutes but ill cntinue

so 4:45 he says that the expectant is between one end 50k100k deaths vs other end 2-4mill..
well
ill just quote this

Medical-Surgical Intensive Care 4 Beds in Community Hospitals 55,663
Cardiac Intensive Care 5 Beds in Community Hospitals 15,160
Neonatal Intensive Care 6 Beds in Community Hospitals 22,721
Pediatric Intensive Care 7 Beds in Community Hospitals 5,115
Burn Care 8 Beds in Community Hospitals 1,198
Other Intensive Care 9 Beds in Community Hospitals 7,419

thats like ~100k beds that could be utilitised but would involve some adaptation and moving around to make isolated from other wards.. aswell as kicking out the current patients using them..

so even at that guys low end of 50k-100k.. there just aint enough to think of this pandemic as just a usual thing to expereince in life..
things needed to change, shift wards around train staff, get extra supplies, more ventilators etc.
so the self isolation was done.. to DELAY  the spread.. emphasis DELAY not cure

.. one last thing
if lets say january 1st was the 'seed' date.. and r0 was 2.6peopel in a normal 7 day contageous period
by march 23 would be something like 36k infected.. not 6m

for there to even be a number of 6m in third week of march. would require 150 people already infected actually in USA on january 1st
sorry but that 6m number has absolute no meaning. no math. no actual realistic bases.

have a nice day
3 debunks in just the first 5 minutes of the video..

Your reasoning is backwards. For example, of the tested people that were deemed positive, the recovered ones aren't included in the numbers of those tested. So who can give accurate numbers of infected that way?

But, there isn't any way anybody is testing for the full virus in anybody. Why aren't they? Because it would take too long. So they are testing for pieces of the virus, and assuming that it is Covid-19. But those same pieces are found in all kinds of other strains of Coronavirus... and if they aren't careful, in all kinds of influenza besides Coronavirus. This means that they don't know if the tested person has Covid-19 or something else.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..

Exactly the thing that I am talking about. You above most people should know how to research and find one or two links to prove what you say. The fact that you don't have any links - which wouldn't be proof anyway - shows that you dopn't know what you are talking about, even if it happened to sound good.

[franky1]

Your reasoning is backwards. For example, of the tested people that were deemed positive, the recovered ones aren't included in the numbers of those tested. So who can give accurate numbers of infected that way?

But, there isn't any way anybody is testing for the full virus in anybody. Why aren't they? Because it would take too long. So they are testing for pieces of the virus, and assuming that it is Covid-19. But those same pieces are found in all kinds of other strains of Coronavirus... and if they aren't careful, in all kinds of influenza besides Coronavirus. This means that they don't know if the tested person has Covid-19 or something else.

you have it quadruple backward. basically ur just spinning in circles now

so when someone is sick and they are tested. are you saying they are excluded because they recovered??
that again means the only ones sowing as covid positive are dead

or

they didnt test the non symptomatic.. after all take food poisoning example. if someone is poisoned in mcdconalds.. but 99% of people havnt ate at mcdonalds.. there is no point even testing the 99%
in china forinstance. those that got sick they tested AND those who they were near.
this made them quite accurate of knowing the whole asymptomatic:symptomatic ratio
similar things were done on some cruise ships they isolated

so actual doctors and scientists that are actually first hand involved know alot more then some youtubers personal family doctor who he goes to when he has a wart or needs normal family health advice

..
badecker.. atleast try to do some maths and actual research
you seem to be an asskisser that would make crap up to defend the rep of some youtube guy your fangirling over at the moment. rather than thinking about the content that is being said within the video

so how about go research the content. and stop promoting the guy

[franky1]

^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..

Exactly the thing that I am talking about. You above most people should know how to research and find one or two links to prove what you say. The fact that you don't have any links - which wouldn't be proof anyway - shows that you dopn't know what you are talking about, even if it happened to sound good.

porton down
google it, go try surprising yourself with a challenge to actually go research

edit: to respond to below
you have no clue what here say is.. but if you wanna play that game your links are hearsay too.. so stop posting them

by the way. its why i am asking you to research it yourself so you have more direct contact with finding the info. because if i spoon fed it to you like you wish. youd just play the ignorant hearsay card even louder

but atleast i now know your stupid excuse for being so dumb and refuse to even try learning things
ill give you a couple days before you start to get mixed up between the lack of legal knowledge and lack of religious knowledge and start shouting heresy instead

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. And nobody knows that Covid-19 is in anybody for sure, because none of the tests are checked carefully and accurately enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HodiDWSkTWU

actually they are some tests for the specific strain..
using UK as an example.
porton down is actually studying and testing it using proper tests.
the in america CDC is too..

Exactly the thing that I am talking about. You above most people should know how to research and find one or two links to prove what you say. The fact that you don't have any links - which wouldn't be proof anyway - shows that you dopn't know what you are talking about, even if it happened to sound good.

porton down
google it, go try surprising yourself with a challenge to actually go research

Hearsay.     

[tvbcof]

The methods by which the (fairly paltry) numbers for covid-19 mortality are coming into focus already, but here is a pretty good condensation and also somewhat fun to watch:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo

[franky1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo

please actually study links you want to provide.. this is becoming rediculous

it seems your on a mission to thing that isolation has not reduced deaths
it seems your on a mission to want people to just leave their home and get it..

heres a thing.. if there was no isolation the numbers would be far far higher then 'seasonal flu'
its as if your saying well there are X car crashes a year, so yea dont worry about wearing a seatbelt, go ahead go as fast as you like, speed through that red light, oh look theres a tree, aim for it

no one likes to be forced to stay home.. and guess what. governments tried it the friendly way of no force just a plea to peoples sanity..
but when dumb people think they can be rebellious and ruin any good efforts to curb it and stop it going widespread so quick. then yea expect repercussions where they have to step it up

here is the very simple thing.
if people did stay home, there would be no need for the 'oh now they are implementing ankle bracelets' propaganda
by you trying to make it into a nothingburger and try to indocrinate people into your conspiracy cults to just rebell and do the opposide to sane advice.. you are provoking authorities to have to step it up
you are the self fulfilling prophecy.
your not a prophet. you are an idiot thats causing his own limitation of rights


heres another way to think about it
imagine a gun policy
'dont buy a gun unless you really need it'
fools promote that everyone should go out and buy 10 guns each and walk around the streets aiming it at random people
ofcourse the government will then step it up and enforce some rules on who and how people should be armed and limit who should be armed.
however if someone who truly feels they need to defend themselves brought a suitable gun for defense, and was responsible with it.. then no further action would be required

..
but it seems you want to deny first there are any deaths due to corona..
then when you admit there are deaths.. you deny their importance..

it seems to me you would finally get your climax moment if you could convince people to go out and lick random people on the face and lick doorknobs
you dont actually care about people dying
you conspiracy lot seem like you would be happy if people started speeding in their cars without a seatbelt

and that just makes you lot look worse than just idiots, but also have a lack of compassion for other people

[BADecker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo

please actually study links you want to provide.. this is becoming rediculous - Don't have to study. The info is right out in the open. No study necessary.

it seems your on a mission to thing that isolation has not reduced deaths - Seems you are on a mission to lie about the fact that it hasn't.
it seems your on a mission to want people to just leave their home and get it.. - Seems you are on a mission to destroy the economy for no reason.

heres a thing.. if there was no isolation the numbers would be far far higher then 'seasonal flu' - Numbers are less than 2017.
its as if your saying well there are X car crashes a year, so yea dont worry about wearing a seatbelt, go ahead go as fast as you like, speed through that red light, oh look theres a tree, aim for it - But you are the one saying this. So it doesn't matter what any opinion of someone else is.

no one likes to be forced to stay home.. and guess what. governments tried it the friendly way of no force just a plea to peoples sanity.. - People know better than government. Why? Self-governing.
but when dumb people think they can be rebellious and ruin any good efforts to curb it and stop it going widespread so quick. then yea expect repercussions where they have to step it up - That's part of the reason why your talk is so ridiculous.

here is the very simple thing.
if people did stay home, there would be no need for the 'oh now they are implementing ankle bracelets' propaganda
by you trying to make it into a nothingburger and try to indocrinate people into your conspiracy cults to just rebell and do the opposide to sane advice.. you are provoking authorities to have to step it up - If people stayed home, there wouldn't be any freedom. So, looks like you are propagating slavery.
you are the self fulfilling prophecy.
your not a prophet. you are an idiot thats causing his own limitation of rights - And you are simply a blabber. Who pays you to troll like this? Or is it that WHO pays you? They aren't getting their money's worth.


heres another way to think about it
imagine a gun policy
'dont buy a gun unless you really need it' - Good policy for those within the corporation that has that policy. Prove that anybody is within such a corporation.
fools promote that everyone should go out and buy 10 guns each and walk around the streets aiming it at random people - Fools promote that people should be restrained from doing what they want, freely. How much toilet paper? Let supply and demand control. And let the price go up so that the control is automatic.
ofcourse the government will then step it up and enforce some rules on who and how people should be armed and limit who should be armed. - Government is people. Let them maintain the policies they set, and let people who are not part of government be free to be their OWN government... self-governing.
however if someone who truly feels they need to defend themselves brought a suitable gun for defense, and was responsible with it.. then no further action would be required - Government is acting against people. People absolutely need guns to remain free from government control.

..
but it seems you want to deny first there are any deaths due to corona.. - There is no proof for CV deaths in any kind of a large scale.
then when you admit there are deaths.. you deny their importance.. - There is no proof for CV deaths in any kind of a large scale.

it seems to me you would finally get your climax moment if you could convince people to go out and lick random people on the face and lick doorknobs - Seems that you are attempting to bypass the CV issue by focusing on the opinions of others.
you dont actually care about people dying - You don't actually care that people remain free.
you conspiracy lot seem like you would be happy if people started speeding in their cars without a seatbelt - Seems like you are picking on sombody rather than focusing on the points of the fake pandemic.

and that just makes you lot look worse than just idiots, but also have a lack of compassion for other people

You don't look worse. You simply look like you really are. A troll who would rather troll people than find proof for or against the CV fake pandemic.

[tvbcof]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo

please actually study links you want to provide.. this is becoming rediculous - Don't have to study. The info is right out in the open. No study necessary.
...

You don't look worse. You simply look like you really are. A troll who would rather troll people than find proof for or against the CV fake pandemic.

I think it (~wanky1) is some sort of an AI babble-bot, but heavy on the A and light on the I.

[BADecker]

It isn't the same thing, to die "with" coronavirus" as it is to die "from" coronavirus.

Go to the article for links and grammar usage.


Corona-copia

In classical antiquity, the cornucopia, also called the horn of plenty, was a symbol of abundance and nourishment, commonly a large horn-shaped container overflowing with produce, flowers or nuts.

This one will be filled solely with nuts.

The Age of Science and Reason?

For a society – even a world – that swears by science, reason, testing, facts, etc. – anything but "faith" or "revelation," it really is pathetic to watch the hysteria that comes with irrationality.  It would be hilarious if it wasn't for the devastating consequences for the countless millions who are losing their jobs and businesses.

The War on Death

Our masters have successfully (so far) been winning the battles in the war on death of favored companies; they have failed to convince us to take meaningful action in the war on the death of the planet – climate change was way too distant in the future to drum up emotional hysteria in the population.

So, what do they come up with?  They made it very personal: the immediacy of a war on death…of death.  No one is allowed to die, even if it kills you.

An Essential Worker

Every time I hear this phrase, I think of this.  I feel very saddened for those whose work is deemed non-essential.

Living in a Material World

When all you have is the material world of atoms randomly smashing together, what else do you have to live for but a war on death?

Prepositional Obfuscation

It isn't the same thing, to die "with" coronavirus" as it is to die "from" coronavirus.

[franky1]

but when someone dies with ARDS(acute respiratory distress) where even if its a patient with asthma. the signals signs and tests show its not an asthma attack. and then testing that its corona.. and then running other tests and ct scans further rules out asthma attack. mening offering asthma inhaler medication is bad, wrong and not reccommended.

 aswell as looking at other symptoms.. makes doctors. yep reallife ICU doctors who are trained.. yep not magic men. but doctors tell the difference.. and be abble to assess what actual medical interventions and meds should be used.


if that patient dies later due to ards where its ruled out an asthma attack.. then although its marked as underlying asthma.. the doctor knows it was ards that caused it due to corona.. so its reported as a corona death

.
but in your world im guessing you think a unicorn comes into hospital and poops out coloured pellets and depending on how many are red is how many to classify as corona..

yes your getting that ridiculous that im starting to imagine you as guy stuck in childish fantasy

i really dont think you know how hospitals function

[Jet Cash]

Too many massive quote blocks and text walls for me to read this thread. Maybe somebody could post a brief conclusion.

One thing I would like to point out is that most of the official reports state death counts as those dying with the Corona virus, and not from the virus. I'm still of the belief that the virus doesn't actually kill anybody, but it does affect the immune system, and therefore people with underlying health issues are not able to recover from them. One way that I can be wrong in this, is the case of smokers. Smoking increases the number of ACE-2 receptors, and this may enable the virus to stimulate so many anti-bodies, that the infected person drowns if they are not removed artificially.   

[Elwar]

The best way to figure out if it was true or not would be to find the amount of people with respiratory problems in 2020 who were diagnosed with coronavirus (the common cold).

If that number suddenly dropped to near zero since they started testing for COVID-19, then you have your answer. They are showing positive anyone who has any coronavirus, not just COVID-19.

I have not been able to track down that number for 2020 though, only the past data showing 20% of people with respiratory problems testing positive.

While at the same time, 13.5% of Americans with respiratory problems tested positive for COVID-19.

[BADecker]

but when someone dies with ARDS(acute respiratory distress) where even if its a patient with asthma. the signals signs and tests show its not an asthma attack. and then testing that its corona.. and then running other tests and ct scans further rules out asthma attack. mening offering asthma inhaler medication is bad, wrong and not reccommended.

Your whole point dies right here. Nobody knows for sure if CV is present. Why not? Because they test on "chunks" of any virus found in the person's system... not on the whole virus.

These same "chunks" appear in many viruses. So, how do they know that any of them are Coronavirus, since they haven't tested for the whole Coronavirus? Yet they say it's CV.

They are assuming, or downright lying.

[franky1]

Too many massive quote blocks and text walls for me to read this thread. Maybe somebody could post a brief conclusion.

One thing I would like to point out is that most of the official reports state death counts as those dying with the Corona virus, and not from the virus. I'm still of the belief that the virus doesn't actually kill anybody, but it does affect the immune system, and therefore people with underlying health issues are not able to recover from them. One way that I can be wrong in this, is the case of smokers. Smoking increases the number of ACE-2 receptors, and this may enable the virus to stimulate so many anti-bodies, that the infected person drowns if they are not removed artificially.   

people dont die from corona due to cells bursting and causing blood loss.. they die much earlier from the suffocation.. which is due to KNOWN symptomology of being triggered by corona.
yes ARDS is the bodies immuno response. not the virus.. but they know that ARDS is triggered by corona as appose to say an anaphylactic shock which is another immuno response to an allergen like peanuts..

now as for your concern about the reporting.
doctors know if someone tested with corona develops respiratory issues and they have through tests ruled it out from being just a coincidental asthma attack (yea doctors are smart they can tel the difference)
so even if someone has underlying asthma.. they can spot the difference
if that patient does die due to ARDS knowing its corona triggered. they report it as such...

and because your in england and maybe want to know real facts about english numbers
ill post this quote to save repeating from another topic
(primer: ons: office national statistics.. DHSC: department health socalcare)

i told you this days ago.. but you have rejected finding the answer for yourself

what doctors diagnose and actually know and report goes to one department which then becomes the public release
lets call this A

the death certificate is created upto 5 days later and goees to another department
let call this B

what you seem to be obsessed with is thinking B is the public release stat.. its not
B is the department that takes ant ICD-10 of corona and puts it into their database for other reasons

if you charted it out

        _______ B
|___/
|     _________ A
|__/
|______________

this A is the list of those that die due to corona specific health symptoms and tested with corona
B is a list of any death cause. where corona tested positive


again for example of the UK
the ONS department is B.. media and worldometer and gov.uk do not report B(ons)
the DHSC department is A.. media and worldometer and gov.uk DO report A(DHSC)

you were told this days ago and had days to check it out

DHSC get data direct from doctors the day of death via the patients charts
ONS get it from death certificate deays later, which ONS then decides to group any death cause