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Title: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 05, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
This is how Google misleading people in their suggested answers while searching for questions about bitcoin.
WTF Google, is there a way to report this sh!t?

https://i.imgur.com/ogyOpyf.jpg

Special thanks to hosseinimr93 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=995810) for the help with the picture. Sometimes I just hate imgur.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: hosseinimr93 on May 05, 2020, 07:27:14 PM
There's a "Feedback" button at bottom of "People also ask" section. I don't know whether that can be helpful or not of course.

https://i.imgur.com/HoPLO6G.jpg


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: shield132 on May 05, 2020, 07:58:27 PM
I just googled different keywords "ceo of bitcoin, bitcoin ceo, bitcoin creator" and etc. I didn't get any information stating that Roger Ver is the ceo of bitcoin but yeah, when you type it, you get an automatic result from google that shows him as the ceo of bitcoin.com and we can't deny that. That happens because of google's search algorithm, no one is "ceo of bitcoin" but on wikipedia and other websites, Roger Ver is stated as the ceo of bitcoin.com so google automatically thinks about bitcoin.com next to btc when you type bitcoin.
It's possible to leave feedback in that section and rate the accuracy of shown information.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: LeGaulois on May 05, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
It's not really a wrong answer, but rather not suitable because Google doesn't make the difference correctly between Bitcoin and bitcoin.com. It considered the question relevant to the topic (basically Bitcoin) so it linked to a page saying who is the CEO of Bitcoin.com

Adding to the fact that the Google Core update is currently taking place during about a month or more, some results may not be accurate or relevant during this period until it becomes stable.
There are thousands of queries with a similar problem and it happens with every major update to its algorithm

@shield132
Google displays different SERPs depending on your location


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: khaled0111 on May 05, 2020, 09:50:48 PM
This result is from Wikipedia, so am not sure if Google is showing this information to mislead people or it's just an "innocent mistake" caused by how their search algorithm works and the confusing between bitcoin and bitcoin.com (as pointed out by LeGaulois)!
Anyway, the first thing I learnt since I joined this community is to never trust Google and all their services.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: bitmover on May 05, 2020, 10:16:04 PM
It's not really a wrong answer, but rather not suitable because Google doesn't make the difference correctly between Bitcoin and bitcoin.com.

Bitcoin should at least be linked to Bitcoin.org...

But the problem is in Wikipedia. I think we should report it


WTF Google, is there a way to report this sh!t?

We need to report that bitcoin.com is not a reliable source, but bitcoin.org

https://i.imgur.com/q3KVPZR.png


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Lanatsa on May 05, 2020, 10:23:48 PM
There's a "Feedback" button at bottom of "People also ask" section. I don't know whether that can be helpful or not of course.
Done giving out my feedback and hopefully it would really be helpful.
But the problem is in Wikipedia. I think we should report it

Done reporting it.


I agree on what LeGaulois above about recognition of Google between Bitcoin and bitcoin.com thats a probable reason why we are seeing this
misleading stuff but anyways it would be better to sent out those feedbacks and reports as of now.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Rengga Jati on May 05, 2020, 11:13:44 PM
This is how the keyword works on google search, taking the most used keywords by the searchers and then matching to the most related and closed. And here, it is related to the Bitcoin.com.
The problem is actually not in the details but on the search keyword display. The detail clearly explains that Roger Ver. is the CEO of Bitcoin.com, not the CEO of Bitcoin. Let's see what I highlighted in yellow.
https://i.imgur.com/Xv6ZUKJ.png
But I also agree to give feedback in order to remove the misinformation. For, the newbies may be misunderstanding it when searching the information and thinking that the CEO of Bitcoin is Roger Ver. Done giving feedback.

But the problem is in Wikipedia. I think we should report it
Well, Wikipedia, everyone can make the writing and can edit them. Therefore, sometimes, the information is not valid. Therefore, we cannot use Wikipedia as the reliable sites when making some scientific reports or writing  ;D
However, when I open the explanation by Wikipedia on that searching, wiki doesn't state that Roger Ver is the CEO of Bitcoin. The site only gives information about a website in which the domain name is bitcoin.com and the CEO of Bitcoin.com is Roger Ver, not the CEO of Bitcoin. bitcoin.com is also an old website and it doesn't state that this site belongs to Bitcoin. So, it is not about reliable or not.
 


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 05, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
Today is Roger Ver. I actually liked him before he went to support altcoins.
Tomorrow can be Craig Wright, then it will be a total scam suggestion from the the top search engine.
I understand that Google's AI logic is not as advanced as our LoyceV's and the sneaky bastard Ver can easily fool it just because he took over the bitcoin.com only to promote his shit coin.
That's why I think the community should be very strict to keep the public information about bitcoin as correct as possible. The path to mass adoption is to build trust, and building trust without reputation is impossible. Those like Ver and Wright now are ruining what many have build for years, preaching their own views as the true and real bitcoin. Bullshit.
I was disappointed when I saw that and I won't leave it like this. Will report it asap.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Sadlife on May 05, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
It was also reported back then that many people are getting scammed by fake Bitcoin and loss tons of money. This is one of the scheme's Roger Ver to increase his fake Bitcoin's market cap and popularity.
Maybe the google algorithm mistakens Roger Ver's Altcoin as the original Bitcoin because the AI scrapes and analyze indexes and display as result, it does not verify it's legitimacy.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 02:21:08 AM
Well, Google is not perfect, and sometimes it is misleading. After all, Bitcoin and Bitcoin.com really look like they belong to the same entity. It must have mistaken the latter to be the official website of the former. And since the latter's CEO is Roger Ver, it must have also concluded that Bitcoin is indeed headed by Ver. Which is funny because [1]Bitcoin does not even have a leader and [2]Ver is in fact trying to destroy the reputation of Bitcoin.

I am afraid of the implication of this to the ordinary people. There might be some who think that indeed the coin being promoted by Ver is the real Bitcoin since he is, according to the famous Mr. Google, the CEO of Bitcoin.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: mk4 on May 06, 2020, 02:22:17 AM
Bitcoin should at least be linked to Bitcoin.org...

In my opinion I'd rather prefer Google not linking to a website. Bitcoin doesn't have an official website in the first place(though of course bitcoin.org is definitely better than bitcoin.com). Though this would be a special case, as it's not like Google is manually adding these information. They're automatically added by their algorithms in the first place.

Bitcoin is a rare case whereas a platform actually has no owner and official website, and obviously the Google algorithm doesn't know that. Repairing problems such as this would probably require manual alterations by a Google employee.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Tipstar on May 06, 2020, 02:22:40 AM
He is the CEO of Bitcoin.com and a .com domain is what google searches to find the CEO of a company.
Bitcoin is not a company and it does not have a CEO. It's an open source project where volunteers contribute.
Searching for the CEO of bitcoin is the stupid thing to start with.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Darker45 on May 06, 2020, 02:46:00 AM
It's not really a wrong answer, but rather not suitable because Google doesn't make the difference correctly between Bitcoin and bitcoin.com.

Bitcoin should at least be linked to Bitcoin.org...

But the problem is in Wikipedia. I think we should report it

In Bitcoin's Wikipedia entry, the website indicated for Bitcoin is actually bitcoin.org.

https://i.imgur.com/tyoX1CN.png

It is in Bitcoin.com's Wikipedia entry where the information that Roger Ver is its CEO is indicated. That is of course accurate.

However, it is somehow misleading for Google to show Bitcoin.com's entry when prompted with a search keyword such as "CEO of Bitcoin" or "Who is the CEO if Bitcoin?". But it seems Google cannot produce anything closer to that since Bitcoin itself doesn't have a CEO. And here we have Bitcoin.com having one.



Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: pooya87 on May 06, 2020, 02:56:23 AM
that is a common bug in Google's quick question/answer thingy that they list a bunch of similar looking questions by automatically taking them out of different pages. i encounter it a lot searching about other things too. the page has to have the keyword you are searching (eg. bitcoin) and the other keywords they use in creation of the questions (eg. CEO, company, bitcoin) to build those. in this case it is taking "bitcoin.com", "Company", "CEO" and "Roger Ver" and creates a question/answer like that which makes no sense.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: meanwords on May 06, 2020, 03:15:00 AM
That's pretty smart actually. Maybe he purposely hired some person or an SEO to change the algorithm of google search to promote him? because that's really a good advertisement especially to a lot of new people coming to Bitcoin. Though we should really make a feedback to fix this mistake for some people's google search.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: Ibizugbe1 on May 06, 2020, 03:33:23 AM
Google seems to be misleading people about the search about bitcoin. Many persons do hit my DM and with calls from referrals of people who know that I am into bitcoin they would say " we have found out how to mine bitcoin from google using an app", one beautiful lady came to my shop, was thinking she wants to learn about bitcoin, only to discovered she had ones been scammed through google search and now found a way to earn free Satoshi with her phone, well she wasn't ready to listen to because she thought google was more intelligent than me.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: mk4 on May 06, 2020, 08:20:58 AM
Searching for the CEO of bitcoin is the stupid thing to start with.

Let's not be too hypercritical here. It's easy to say for us that have been in this space for a while now. Try taking a look at things in the layman's perspective— as not everyone knows Bitcoin's characteristics in the first place.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: kryptqnick on May 06, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
To be honest, I don't understand the nature of the question about the CEO of Bitcoin. To me, it sounds like googling 'who's the CEO of USD', as in both cases we're talking about currencies, not companies. And I think that Google does its best by providing an answer which isn't even very misleading, as it says that Roger Ver is the CEO of Bitcoin.com, not Bitcoin. Oh, and speaking of the CEO of the USD, apparently it's Jeff Bezos, lol. Now this result is something I get even less than the one with Bitcoin.com:
https://i.imgur.com/fWqSQ7J.png
I don't think Google is anywhere near 'Bitcoin cannot have a CEO' or something similar.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: posi on May 06, 2020, 01:25:10 PM
Honestly, the answer is correct because Roger is the CEO of Bitcoin.com (which is wallet,news and exchange service provider) but that problem is that google didnt clarify the result from Bitcoin(which is cryptocurrency).


They have false information and nothing more.
Thats because you dont understand that every search engine used what is call spider/crawler automated programs to provide search result and is what every other search engine used.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 06, 2020, 01:31:16 PM
To be honest, I don't understand the nature of the question about the CEO of Bitcoin. To me, it sounds like googling 'who's the CEO of USD', as in both cases we're talking about currencies, not companies. And I think that Google does its best by providing an answer which isn't even very misleading, as it says that Roger Ver is the CEO of Bitcoin.com, not Bitcoin. Oh, and speaking of the CEO of the USD, apparently it's Jeff Bezos, lol. Now this result is something I get even less than the one with Bitcoin.com:
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I don't think Google is anywhere near 'Bitcoin cannot have a CEO' or something similar.

I cannot recreate what I was searching. It was question regarding the vanity addresses, and reading thru some suggestions, when you click Show More come different suggestions. At some point I saw that Who is CEO of bitcoin, I guess some people have searched for this phrase so ended up on the list with answers. It is a stupid question for those who know what Bitcoin is, but is very misleading for those newbie who want to buy some bitcoin and suddenly you end up with BCH.
It's another subject that Ver promotes his altcoin on the Bitcoin.com. Every newbie will open bitcoin.com just because by default .com is the "legit site".
I've done myself the mistake to write bitcointalk .com  instead of .org when you are not focused on what you are doing.
You can be amazed how naive people can be. The Nigerian prince scam mails  (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/nigerian-prince-scams-still-rake-in-over-700000-dollars-a-year.html)make approx. 700k USD per year.. still... WTF!


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 06, 2020, 01:45:38 PM
The questions here should be, why would someone search for "who's the CEO" of a currency whether it's bitcoin or any other fiat currency. The right questions to search for should had been, "who invested bitcoin" if it provides a wrong answer then this whole alarm who had been worth it. I'm quite such Google will provide a better answer to the right questions if asked appropriately. Lets not use ignorance as a excuse, get yourself equipped with the right manner to go about anything you seek to understand.

PS: since we can't control what people type into this search engines, it would had been better if google corrects the question by giving the suggestion like, Do you mean "who invested bitcoin".

But wait, who do we expert to have showed up as the CEO, Satoshi? Nah bitcoin been a currency doesn't have any. Giving the closet answer to a question asked has always been the why this search engines operates.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 06, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
^ Imagine now if CSW posts 10000 places that he is satoshi. At the end the search engine will starts suggesting that satoshi is CSW...
We have a saying, if one lie is repeated 100 times it becomes true at the end.
And ignorance is what drives all those scammers and conman into passing successfully their shady schemes among those who would believe them.

Just want to correct this inaccuracy in the suggested results.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: 7788bitcoin on May 06, 2020, 02:04:02 PM
^ Imagine now if CSW posts 10000 places that he is satoshi. At the end the search engine will starts suggesting that satoshi is CSW...
We have a saying, if one lie is repeated 100 times it becomes true at the end.
Google just indexes all the contents from different web pages and give the answer, just google who is satoshi nakamoto and you will get the picture of CSW and Dorian nakamoto as the search results  :D. What ever may be the situation, a lie said a thousand times cannot be true and it will never be.

People are naive, people gets confused when they see several coins which has the bitcoin moniker but they are responsible in investing in the correction coin.


Title: Re: CEO of Bitcoin according to Google is Roger Ver. WTF Google?!
Post by: mk4 on May 07, 2020, 01:48:30 AM
^ Imagine now if CSW posts 10000 places that he is satoshi. At the end the search engine will starts suggesting that satoshi is CSW...

It really doesn't work that way though. Google's search algorithm doesn't work that way now. Though it used to be like that in the past, people in the blogging and SEO industry have abused using quantity backlinks that Google is now focusing more on domain authority. Though of course it could work if he ever manages to get a lot of high-authority websites to post about him being Satoshi.